Who's here watching this after Kermode's Rise of Skywalker review?

Love that due to Mark not being a fanboy he didn’t have any hype and was able to enjoy the film as it was without unnecessary nitpicking and folk in the comments are saying he’s an idiot or wrong. Not like he’s a professional critic or anything..

"Action is character." That also applies to Dunkirk earlier this year as well for people complaining about its lack of characterization.

Love how I can tell the sentiment of the review before watching it by just looking at the like-dislike ratio. Not just this video, but every other review of The Last Jedi.

@Karboooo

2 жыл бұрын

cant do that anymore -_______-

Star Wars is that one movie franchise where I try not to take the comments section too seriously.

@severnbrown

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, SW community is pretty toxic unfortunately. Fandom has gone to the dark side (as it so often does). I'm looking forward to seeing it soon.

@severnbrown

6 жыл бұрын

Ernesto Nuguid I rest my case

@TheArtkaw

6 жыл бұрын

Rick and Morty fandom vs SW fandom?

@LarryPokeTrainer

6 жыл бұрын

lol same.

@severnbrown

6 жыл бұрын

TheArtkaw yikes that’s a close one hahahaha

Thank you for this nuanced review. This movie was totally focused on the characters and their single small arcs. They have never been so fleshed out. First it seems the general plot may not have developed so much, but actually it not just moved forward, but jumped.

The Last Jedi is my third favourite Star Wars film, but I think it’s the most important in the series in terms of the Jedi as an organisation - their arc from Prequel to Originals to now.

I was so surprised by how good it was. I thought Looper was good but not that good, and The Force Awakens made it seem like the whole series had set off down an incredibly predictable, formulaic road. So I wasn't expecting much, but I came out of it thinking it was the best sci-fi film I'd seen in a very long time, and the richest, most satisfying Star Wars film ever made. There are flaws here and there, sure, but the amount of startling, dramatically loaded scenes, scenes that do that thing where you realise you've been holding your breath the whole time, overrode those flaws completely. And there just hasn't been a character as interesting as Kylo Ren in a Star Wars film before. The bit of dialogue where he talks to Rey about her parentage, is the most brilliant piece of writing in the whole film - what he says, and the way he says it, is at once callous, contemptuous and emotionally vulnerable, and says so much about what is going on inside both characters' heads. The whole film was a magnificent balancing act between dramatic subtlety and all-out spectacle, and the Snoke fight scene was utter genius.

@thesprawl2361

6 жыл бұрын

I didn't think he was an interesting character until I watched TLJ. I agree that he wasn't particularly interesting in TFA - he was just an angry kid. Meh. But in TLJ we see this character unfurl spectacularly. You didn't like the fact that he has none of the fear factor of other baddies...and that's exactly what I like about him. He makes you shift the way you think about baddies in Star Wars films. He's a powerful, weak child. He's full of a kind of desperation to belong and he's deeply bad at social interaction. Imagine saying any of that about Darth Vader - you couldn't. It's ridiculous to even imagine doing so. He's a pantomime villain; a great one, maybe the greatest, but there's nothing of substance or heart there. Just menace and power. Ren is what happens when a director/writer decides to ask what the inner life of a deeply powerful Sith is really like. If I'd watched TLJ ten years ago maybe I'd have been less impressed. But since then I've watched two TV series that have changed the way I think about mainstream cinema: The Sopranos and Breaking Bad. They showed that it's perfectly possible to delineate complex characters while embedding them in something close to an action movie(particularly Breaking Bad). I think they've both changed the way mainstream cinema thinks about character development. Kylo Ren in TLJ is the result. Definitely not perfect, and there are some contradictory moments when you compare his behaviour with previous things he's done, but there were more than enough moments of real emotional heft for me to come away very impressed.

I really loved it. It was genuinely funny, engaging, unpredictable and bold. Finally a movie on its own, not another cheap playing on nostalgia and doing a fan service.

When i first watched it I really hated it, probably because it went against everything I expected. On 2nd viewing though, I think its great and it really deserved a better pay off from the last film.

@crappymcdick

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's it, I think Last Jedi without further inspection can look like it's simply saying "movies before bad and boring" but there's so much more thought that went to how much the film actually compliments the films before, even the prequels which I thought was nice.

I guess Batman v Superman is no longer the most divisive movie of the past years.

@user-tm1rf6lv2f

6 жыл бұрын

True. Star Wars fans especially are divided over prequels/sequels...now this will be the new divider.

Mark Hamill was the saving grace. And old Frank Oz. The scene with little Yoda literally had me gushing with tears. Here was the real Yoda that we grew up with.

@jointhe6461

6 жыл бұрын

he had.

@jointhe6461

6 жыл бұрын

I know it does. Happy New Year.

@michellebiland5163

3 жыл бұрын

Mark Hamill made this film. 😚😚🤗🤗

You know Mark really likes something when he starts using vague metaphors to describe its quality. :P

"I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Well that didn't last long. What a kick in the teeth.

Coming back to this after just getting out of the Rise of Skywalker. Whatever they set up in this film was undone in a sentence (two at most) of the opening crawl. Completely baffled as to how to sum up this trilogy in the end. Muddled at best?

@Rendell001

2 жыл бұрын

There was no overarching plan for this trilogy or if there was then it went out the window after Force Awakens. Ryan Johnson did what he wanted but he wasn't interested in making his vision fit seamlessly with the rest of the franchise. This is not the best way to make a trilogy...

@harryboc5726

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rendell001 whilst it is clear there wasn’t a plan for the trilogy, The Last Jedi did not feel like an unnatural follow up to The Force Awakens - Kermode says himself in this review that it very much carries on from one to the other (yes, the tone was different but it certainly didn’t feel like the story was going in a completely new direction). The Rise of Skywalker was the problem - instead of continuing the narrative like its predecessor did, it wiped the slate clean and started again in an unnatural and disjointed way with the sole motivation to undo the plot threads that drove a subsection of the star wars fanbase mad

Couldnt believe when Lando turned up with Vitiligo

Couldn't agree more. Been a huge Star Wars fan since I was 8 years old, and while the movie certainly has its flaws it still mamaged to be an amazing experience.

@charlesdawkins5921

6 жыл бұрын

'sup dudebro?

I really don't know why people hated this film

I liked it too !

Great Job Kermode. Keep up the good work!

My problem with the film was that we got too little of what made it work, namely the Luke/Rey/Kylo stuff, and way too much fluff. I simply didn’t give a damn about what was going on with Finn and Poe and Rose compared to the other stuff.

@KSRugby

6 жыл бұрын

yeah i agree with that. I didnt mind rose as a character that much actually, and think she's getting unfair hatred from some, it's just her and finn's story seemed pointless to the overall plot of the movie, or at least it could have been cut down significantly. It would have been quicker and more effective, and potentially could have shown more chemistry between finn and rose, if they had something that could disable the tracker in the first place, and they managed to sneak onto snoke's ship and had to work together to try and disable it but got caught before they could manage.

@KhanivoreQniba

6 жыл бұрын

It's an ensemble cast where each character is vital to the narrative. It's not just about 3 characters.

@knifeofdunwall

6 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Every time the story shifted focus from Rey/Kylo/Luke to something else I lost interest.

@KhanivoreQniba

6 жыл бұрын

Then I assume you want a 3 person film? Oh dear.

@knifeofdunwall

6 жыл бұрын

Mist_warrir or maybe I want the other characters and story lines to be written better?

I love seeing people become angry when someone with a interesting and conflicting opinion upsets them!

I've never heard anyone suggest that the middle of the film,for example, constituted "bouncing stones perfectly".

According to Kermode, The Last Jedi has brought balance to the Force. Not entirely convinced myself though.

It was good. I liked it. 8.5/10. Actually felt like the next chapter in Star Wars (unlike the deliberately crowd-pleasing Force Awakens). Didn't go the way I thought it was going to go (which is good). Existing characters have actually grown, instead of just staying the same (though some who take the original trilogy a little too seriously may not like who they've grown into, life + time = change). And I especially like how it crushed all notions of "chosen ones", lineage, heritage, etc. Choosing instead to look forward, rather than back and essentially cleaned the slate for Episode IX.

I am so conflicted on this movie. I felt it could have been better. Really disappointed but it had moments I loved.

@niallh4194

6 жыл бұрын

I actually don't find it to be bad at all just some things felt off in my opinion. I need to watch it a second time to see how I feel. Because like Rey, I think I see the light in it

@benwoodall4972

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I didn't love the movie but can't really say why. It had good character progression,good set pieces and good settings but I just left feeling a bit ..meh. I think it's going to be one of those movies that's better the second time round.

@niallh4194

6 жыл бұрын

I hope so man, I really do.

@abacadian

6 жыл бұрын

Snoke knows you would be unable to hide your conflict and internet trolls would be unable to resist that bait.

@abacadian

6 жыл бұрын

My problem with it is that I fundamentally do not buy into the first order as the villains. Maybe I'm too attached to the heir to the empire books, but I do not believe that after spending 3 movies beating the facists that 'oh look, what's that group of people in pointy ships and white armour? Oh it's more fascism' I don't understand why from a writing standpoint the baddies couldn't just be the empire. Why keep the pointy ships and the walkers and the stormtroopers and the nazi uniforms but then put a different name on them. Either give me a first order with a new aesthetic or give me the empire. Don't try and convince me the first order is something new and fresh when it's just the empire with a paint job.

Hi Same experience of enjoyment. First time I've been to a movie when the audience cheers and applauded at end credits. (for the right reasons obviously!)

I enjoyed the film... but I was just so disappointed we didn't get any answers. We just got Snoke dead, nothing about his background or intentions, complete none threat; where were the Knights of Ren? Were they Snoke's bodyguards? Wasted opportunity there. How exactly did Snoke turn Ben to the dark side? Who are Rey's parents? No one... oh. Ok then. That's anticlimactic. The rebel fleet dropped from light speed into "the middle of nowhere", which after less than 18 hours of standard real-space drive happens to put them NEXT TO an old Rebel base. That was convenient. Why didn't they have the ship ram the Supremacy as their smaller ships escaped in the first place? If I knew that was an option I would have set the ship to do that as we ALL escaped. Not throw it in there randomly. Why has no ship ever done this before in Star Wars? If every ship was in fact a missile of such unbridled power why build Death Stars? Why not just ram a city with hollowed out ships fitted with nothing but a hyperspace drive? Same effect apparently and ubiquitous technology. Also, now there's cloaking tech in Star Wars, but it doesn't make the ships invisible like in Star Trek... yet no one on the Supremacy or accompanying Star Destroyers could see the escaping ships through their windows, their giant, giant windows. The casino planet was completely superfluous. They went and found a guy to help them, he betrays them, the end. The last rebel ship hitting the Supremacy at light speed made that entire plot arc meaningless. So no answers. Nothing. Things blew up and laser swords. I really wanted to see Luke wreck shop, I mean, I really wanted to see him at the height of his power. I suppose in a way we did, but it felt... meh. Maybe after repeat viewings I will feel more comfortable with this film, but I wanted a dark exploration of Ren and Snoke, I wanted to feel genuine terror at what they could accomplish and I wanted to know the reasons and origin for this hatred. Had Snoke been orchestrating the growth of the Empire from afar? Was he Darth Sidious? Instead we got bland baddie who dies when he's having an arrogant rant about being the best. Star Wars has such a rich and vibrant lore and this film capitalized on none of it.

I agree the casino scene was a diversion, though I agree there are reasons for their inclusion. Finn had better go back and save those kids in the next episode, or I will be very pissed.

When both Episodes VII and VIII ended I left and went home and basically forgot about them. When I went to see the original trilogy movies I left absolutely buzzing and that stayed with me for days. Is it because I was only 10 years old when the first one came out and I grew up to adulthood with the sequels and I'm now just a miserable old git, or is it because when the original trilogy came out it was just a great straight forward story with no questions left unanswered and had proper jaw dropping sets and special effects that were part of the experience and not just the usual cgi that deliberately overwhelms movie viewers these day into thinking they've actually been to see a great movie when basically they havent? Oh, regarding Rogue One, I did leave feeling like I had just watched something akin to the original trilogy but the ending left me feeling it could have been much better.

I thought it was pretty good on the whole, about 7/10. I actually quite liked the gags, and it had plenty of the trademark Adam Driver freakouts that I love in his roles. It does feel pretty insular though, not sure that works.

I was really surprised at how much it subverts expectations and takes risks. It's definitely the most different Star Wars movie we've ever had, It's much more of a character focused piece compared to recent films.

@chriswilson3126

3 жыл бұрын

Why did holdo not tell poe about "the plan"?

Even if the rest of the film were particularly good the casino adventure drags the whole thing down like heavy wet washing on a clothes line - any sense of brio is lost in the connected plots and the many missteps including the heavy footed 'humour' are magnified. It's one ruthless piece of editing they'll regret never doing.

few times i agree with mark... and like he, i've never been a SW fan growing up...and just been a fan since Force Awakens.

@themadafaka6839

6 жыл бұрын

fair... but lemme respond to "luke risks everything multiple times trying to save his father from the dark side believing there was still good in him, vader had killed children cutting them to bits btw,but luke was still trying to save him. yet luke was willing if for a moment, to kill his sleeping nephew who had not done anything at that moment. " i think the reason he went out his way to bring back his dad to the good side was because he just found out he has a dad..and that he WAS still young and up and coming jedi with things to prove... sure, he's good, but also naive and just a wide-eyed rookie with incredible powers...of course he's gonna try and save his dad's lost soul... but, with Ky- Ben...it's been 30 years..and none of us actually know what's happened to Luke, prior to him teaching his young jedi-to-be's... THAT could be a movie of itself..maybe starring Sebastian Stan as a post-OG trilogy & pre-NEW trilogy... now, with Ben, that's he's nephew..and i think he's trying to AVOID all the deaths and chaos Ben's GOING TO cause..and he does admit that that was a fleeting moment of weakness (maybe due to his age as a human AND a descendant of Darth Vader). what i'm gettin' is Ben's waaaayyy darker and more of a lost cause than Anakin ever was. with his dad..all the bad deeds were in the past, which he couldn't've changed..and the present ones..that's what Luke was trying to put an end to by taking him back to the good side.

The Empire Strikes Back works for me as a stand alone film. I enjoy A New Hope, Revenge Of The Sith is ok. I’ll eventually get around to watching this.

Why he didn't review Call me by your name?

Will Carrie Poppins get a spin-off?

@EthanJohn1986

6 жыл бұрын

Here we go....So you have jumped on that band wagon I see. I have my own opinion on that scene. It was beautiful. Finally seeing something we always knew about used in one of the films and made great use of her character..BUT people who live online have to join the hate trends and start making comments like that so they can fit in at the next reddiit meet up

@1983Dave1983

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Bonanno shhhhh

@jonathanbonanno9749

6 жыл бұрын

Ethan John and next, when James Bond can cast spells you’ll be yelling at me for being so wedded to the non-magician James Bond and unable to deal with change.

@jonathanbonanno9749

6 жыл бұрын

GlideSlidey strong with the force? When did she ever show that she was “strong” with the force? But let’s assume you’re correct, that she is. Since when can anyone, including Jedi Masters, survive in space? But fine! Let’s assume that Jedis (including PL here for some reason) can survive space. BUT if you want me to go along with this, THEN MAKE PL AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE REST OF THE MOVIE. Don’t make us suspend our disbelief so that PL Can them become a bit player for the rest of the movie! This film continually makes demands on the audience and then refuses to pay it off. I’ll go with you on your silly journey to Canto Bight, but the payoff is....what? Finn and Rose actually jeopardizing the escape? So it would have actually been better if they died on Canto? Rian can suck it.

@junpi8562

6 жыл бұрын

In ROTJ we found out she has the Force. It's not inconceivable that she developed strong skills in the intervening years, it was just implemented very badly in TLJ. And it's a shame that it's led some so-called fans to then mock an iconic original character.

I loved with the exception of two scenes. Better than the last two Star Wars films.

A lot of people hated Empire when it first came out, but now it is regarded as one of the best Star Wars films ever. The division of this film makes it seem like it could go a similar route. Personally, I loved it.

07.30 The Barnet Odeon doesn't exist anymore either...(it's the Barnet Everyman the days) :)

Loved it, once you stop trying to impress your notion of what a Star Wars movie should be, you can relax into it and enjoy the movie. I loved how it broadened out the whole scope and for first time I got the impression the rebellion was a galaxy wide struggle.

I've seen it twice and I think Mark needs to watch it again because his review does not match with the film I saw. I'm not saying I hated it but I feel no excitement for the third film and this was a trilogy wasn't it ? Not to mention all the set up story threads from awakens that were ignored or destroyed ?? I hope Disney haven't gotten to you Mark....

Normally I agree with Mark Kermode's reviews (even down to Warcraft), but in this instance I reckon he's got it mostly wrong. That said, I think it's because Mark just isn't into Star Wars as much as being a movie reviewer. He likes it for the resons which I do, but misses the points whch make it bad. Those resons are, though not limited to the following: - It is never explained how Snoke rose to power or who he was, nor is it explained just how under-prepared the galaxy was to deal with the threat of the resurgent Empire/First Order. - Many of the character deaths felt cheap i.e Snoke & Luke. - What was that rubbish about the Imperial ships not being able to chase down the resistance fleet? Just jump ahead of them and cut them off! Also, if Light speed ramming is such a powerful tool in anyone's arsenal and X-Wing fighters can achieve light speed, why has nobody ever thought to strip a few of them down & load them with ordnance, have them be piloted by droids and simply wreck face? - What happened to B-Wing bombers? Those new ones have all the manouverability of my dead grandmother! - How did Rey escape Snoke's ship? - How did Finn and Rose get back into the bunker? Also, if Rose was there to ram Finn off course and save him, why couldn't she have just shot the battering ram thingie? Al in all, I left the cinema feeling a deep sense of dissatisfaction. It wasn't a terrible film and it had its moments, but it felt disjointed and unfulfilling.

Good name check for the Barnet Odeon but it's the Everyman now

I have never felt so disappointed and underwhelmed after seeing this film. I had such high hopes for it. Although I enjoyed the The Force Awakens, it did have its flaws but this film makes it look like a masterpiece. I was perhaps disappointed that JJ Abrams was returning for episode IX but now I am looking forward to him returning.

But how is Padme?

@firefly361

6 жыл бұрын

Ask Anakin.

@whoisgoobafish9623

6 жыл бұрын

She is dating captain phasma

I’d be interested to know what Mark thinks about the disparity between the critics and audience response to The Last Jedi? The other example would be Bright, which has been panned by critics but currently has an audience score of 88% on Rotten Tomatoes. 😊

It has also much like Empire Strikes Back, upon release split opinion so in thirty years time, everyone will feel it is the best one.

I loved it! I really liked Kylo and Rey's scenes

I'm not a fan of this film. Parts of it were too changed from what went before, scenes weren't needed and I don't like that humor which is creeping into every Disney owned property, it worked for Pirates of the Caribbean then Iron man and Avengers and now it has to be in everything! The story points I was looking forward to being answered were glossed over or thrown away too; which I suppose in one respect some people may like that kind of bold statement the film makes. But when something so serialised ignores tantalising plot points the community of fans has been looking forward to being answered, to me its just thrown away the opportunity to tie their characters in a greater way to the preexisting lore. I felt less for those characters as a consequence. And the first thing I said about the film to another person was one not about the story or characters main arc (which can't be a good thing) and instead about a possible panning meeting whereby I felt that someone had to be told to say "its salt" so that we didn't think it was Hoth.......

This is a film for the critics, not for the fans. The action felt tagged on and the inner soul implosions Kermode references are overshadowed by flat jokes and an unforgivable underuse of core characters. I can't justify my view further without spoiling the movie for those yet to see it - but the tone is set within the first few minutes and barely salvages itself in the latter half (which seems like a different film altogether). I hope anyone reading this loves the film in a way that I couldn't, and, as a Star Wars fan, I pray the tangent for the franchise hasn't been adversely set by this confused and uneven entry in the sequence.

Love you Mark, truly.

Originality isn't an issue at all. It's fine that it takes it in a new direction. The problem is that the story and character arcs are so incoherent that it actually hasn't taken it anywhere at all. Luke teased the idea of the Gray Jedi (finding true balance between the Light and Dark Side), but it wasn't fully explored, and as a result, Rey's character doesn't develop. Completely dismissing TFA alone is one thing, but TLJ doesn't even know what it wants to do in its own film. It's wrong for people to slam others for enjoying it, but it's truly worrying that so many are failing to see its flaws as not just a Star Wars episode, but as a film in its own right. It's genuinely as structurally and narratively troubled as Alien: Covenant. No disrespect to Kermode, but what he deems as positives in this film, especially in regards to character arcs, are profoundly unjustified.

The Finn and Rose storyline was the only thing that halted the story. We do not need to hear a story about animal cruelty in a Star Wars movie. We know enough about it in real life, so why put it in a film series where we want to escape the world. Besides that displaced storyline, I loved it. Great character arcs, and the story was fairly different. You can say what you want, but it is hard to find originality in the eighth installment of a film series.

@craighicksartwork

6 жыл бұрын

Mitch Powers Yeah, we do.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

6 жыл бұрын

Tell me more about the Finn, Poe, Snoke, etc character arcs... Finn and Poe didn't change despite all that happened to them (and even Finn having it revealed to him that their rebellion makes the rich richer). Snoke had no development at all.

@Aroreiel08

6 жыл бұрын

I really hope there will be more of a explanation about Snoke in the third film. I hope what we saw in this isn't gonna be it.

@superstarDJ537

6 жыл бұрын

Rose is there to sell toys and tickets in China and SEA. It was as if a Big Bang Theory character entered Star Wars. I'm a genius engineer but I also talk like a crazy person! I'm so edgy! Like Me!

@giancork1656

6 жыл бұрын

I understand your disappointment with the movie, I am still 50/50. But to say that Finn and Poe didn't have ANY arc or development in this movie is not correct, in my view. Finn starts this movie wanting to 'run away' (or better wanting to help Rey, which is also consistent with his character) and ends the movie trying to help the rebellion by sacrificing himself (even tho he does not succeed). Poe starts the movie being a hot headed, gung-ho pilot and ends the movie leading a retreat. Not the greatest arcs, but arcs nonetheless. Snoke's arc.....got cut in half! Many missed opportunities, yes, but still I have enjoyed enough to wanted to see it again. Also I kinda liked what I thought was one of the main theme of the movie.....that failure happens and you have to learn from it. Everybody seems to fail in this movie, one way or the other. And I really like the end. Also the scene between Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher......in retrospective was a real touching scene

I enjoyed it, it was overly long and has a bit of a flabby middle, Finn's side story was almost disposable, yet did introduce a character who gave a bit of detail to the world and was important later (probably in Episode 9 too) so wasn't really, but it did feel like it a bit. I can see why people wouldn't like it, it is pretty different. But there's some really excellent moments in there, big epic fights as well as great character development. Great performances from pretty much everyone. A big unanswered question is now left hanging, and I can see that frustrating people, but we'll see if it's mentioned in Episode 9, or will be part of the expanded universe I won't ever read.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Rian Johnson The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Disney would tell you.

Happy beeps, buddy.

I’m not a hardcore Star Wars fan...but everything that happened was irrelevant. All the plot points that hinted at developing a character ultimately put them back to where they were before the dramatic moment happened.

@PaaliaqMusic

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, there was very little actual plot or drama in it, just a lot of stuff happening just because they have to fill up two and a half hours of film.

I don't agree with Mark on this, but I respect his opinions. When I came out the cinema at midnight, the audiances reaction to this movie reminded me of when I saw Suicide Squad. People were looking around trying to gauge each others reaction to what they had just seen. It was an okay movie, solid, but not great. I felt it dragged in the middle, and was bit all over the place. The movie looked great, but I couldn't see the point in alot of the character arcs that Mark is talking about. Star Wars works best when we care for the central characters. I couldn't really care for the new characters and their back stories didn't really matter to me, and this I felt is why the movie dragged. They tried to shoehorn in soo much that it all got convoluted. 6/10 for me.

Jesus. What is this guy on? Red Letter Media’s review is spot on: ‘Intermittently interesting’.

One of the worst feelings I've had watching a film at the cinema was the Last Jedi. Plot all over the pace, several ridiculous scenes that were met with open derision at the screening I was at and actually largely quite boring (despite things happening on screen). Worst of all was the feeling that these films are really detracting from the significance and emotion of the conclusion of the originals. Really disappointing, and I quite liked Force Awakens.

@LordJagd

6 жыл бұрын

I feel ya man. Do you think the constant action made everything feel one-note?

@alexjennings566

6 жыл бұрын

Would say so yes, having so much stuff happening all the time with little actual consequence definitely detracts from the weight of moments. All I can say is a lot of action happens in the first half of the film, but I was more bored than during any trade dispute in the prequels!

@iredomi3733

6 жыл бұрын

Plot was really cohesive...pacing not so much... characters were way clearer here than in force awakens

@iredomi3733

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Smith that was the point to tear down myths but it's hard to construct disappointment in a text without also disappointing fans I guess / also that being the point doesn't necessarily work as a defence but yeah I like the choices they made with luke

@iredomi3733

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Smith dialogue were about as average as all of star wars / the original movies weren't amazing in terms of dialogue / I can get feeling disappointed I've liked star wars since I was 4 and return of the jedi was the first film I watched but I'm also happy to see this movie do something new / best star wars film since return I'd say / excited for the director's trilogy

Mark is on the money with this one.

Hardcore fans are either going to love or hate this movie. I for one need to watch it again In general I feel like its a movie with great moments let down by lazy choices and I still feel that the tone is all wrong. Kersner said when he made Empire, he needed humour without being funny. That is the balance that is off.

Also.. (I'm probably wrong on this) wasn't it implied that Ben was trained on the same planet as Luke is stranded on? That's where the temple and everything is right? So, how come the first movie was all about Kylo Ren trying to find Luke.. couldn't he remember where it all kicked off?

@chriswootton

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's what I thought to be begin with but, then they talked about the temple and the tree and all that and it's just round the corner. I'm sure Kylo was asleep in one of the circular brick huts that Luke lives in.

it was appalling, but perhaps that's because i'm invested in star wars, in isolation its ok, in cannon its a shambles.

It makes it a lot easier to like this film if you don’t like Star Wars.

Wow, can’t believe Kermode took the Disney money.

Woah! Wait! The Hendon classic from the 70's is...gulp..gone?

I didn’t understand Mark’s take until 7:39. Now it all becomes clear.

Best one

Consider reviewing The Empire Strikes Back: Revisited- New colorization, 100s of mistakes fixed, every laser bolt and light saber re-scoped, all new FX. Revisited makes the film brand new again.

TLJ was phenomenal. Seeing it again tonight.

Totally glad I had the pleasure to watch Disney presents a Disney film, Disney's Star Wars: The Last Jedi, a Disney production.

Twilight with Lightsabers

@user-tm1rf6lv2f

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Disney is really pushing a lot of females into the frontlines and Star Wars is looking more like Twilight or Harry Potter than a space war movie.

Empire is the only other Star Wars film whose flaws are mostly minor nitpicks throughout the runtime (e.g., a line delivery here, a cut there, things of the like).

Barnet Odeon - Unfortunately that's gone too, an Everyman now

Was very lukewarm on Force Awakens, which grew into an active dislike of it when I thought it through. Really enjoyed The Last Jedi, perhaps particularly because it was not just a remix of previous Star Wars tropes and motifs - it was a bit weird and a bit unexpected, which I will take any do over some rigid adherence to the narrow outlook of Star Wars diehards.

Did Mark watch the right film?

Sadly I went to see a StarWars movie with the kids and it seems there isn’t one on this Christmas. This needed to indulge itself less and lose 15-20 minutes. There was some very high notes - I thought the balance of Kylo and Rey’s allegiances etc was excellent but it seemed Snoke was largely an irrelevance... I’m also unsure where Kylo’s completely hatred for Luke comes from without Snokes influence - it just didn’t land well.

This is a great review, I totally agree.

i may be one of the few, but i agree with mark 100% that this film did such a good job with character development. i felt fully satisfied with how newbies were introduced, how characters went on their individual journeys and how they all end up together again at the end. but feel free to comment on why you disagree.

@Ex0dus111

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah you are part of the majority. This movie got a 96% rt score, and is the second highest grossing movie of all time. And it is genuinely a great film. But fanbois are butthurt their dumb theories didnt pan out, hence the comment section.

@owenhaskins7193

6 жыл бұрын

I agree - really enjoyed the film and glad they moved away from the predictable TFA....I loved the twists and turns.

@Fizzgig73

6 жыл бұрын

Rey and Kylo didnt develop. Luke acted in a way that he would never have, even according to Mark Hamill. Snoke was irrelevant. Phasma was irrelevant. The codebreaker isnt who we thought he was going to be, then was someone they lucked into, who then betrayed them. Everyone failed at what they were trying to do. Luke's death was wasted, and its now backed into a corner that Leia will probably die off screen in the next movie. Finn was just Finn, and he would have died a hero, but for Rose. I suppose Po developed, but it was away from his heroism and toward just blindly following his bosses. Mas Canata was irrelevant. Chewie was irrelevant. The Porgs are just an excuse to sell plush toys. Laura Dern was irrelevant. Admiral Akbar died with no fanfare. How is that a good job with character development? Which characters developed in a good way?

@Fizzgig73

6 жыл бұрын

I think this goes a little further than fanbois are butthurt their dumb theories didnt pan out. When you leave hanging questions in the first film, you are practically telling people to come up with theories. Not paying off those set ups is bad film making. Its basically Chekov's Gun. Dont show a gun in the first act if no one is going to get shot in the 2nd or 3rd act. It cant be a great film because its downfall isnt the CGI or bad acting, but bad film making. Also, bombs (or controllers that set off bombs) dont fall in zero gravity.

@TheSt1092

6 жыл бұрын

Wrong I think there is a genuine split.

Not only did I love it but it's the only Star Wars film that I enjoyed enough to really want to see a second time. I think what I loved about it is what hardcore Star Wars fans hated about it - that it's different.

i have just watched it in Bristol i found it light years greater than the force awakens.

"chrome dome" - Fn-2187

Oh come on Mark, you're trying way too hard here! Certainly The Last Jedi is entertaining enough, the direction, the visuals, the performances are great and there are nuggets of really good cinema in there but the story, the ideas that it fails to exploit, the questions it doesn't answer, plot threads from TFA it just drops, the characters that it nonchalantly dispenses with, the black hole in the 2nd act (sojourn to planet Las Vagas, prequal stylee anyone?)... As a review I watched earlier suggests, the entire franchise has now spent 2 films simply recreating the status quo of the original trilogy; Rebels (and they even start referring to themselves as such in the film) verses The Empire...again. It's a very frustrating film for me, which squanders a lot of the opportunities it had. The choices it does make aren't terrible, but it could have been much better. Unfortunately at this point it leaves me unenthused for the final part of the latest trilogy. I think a second viewing is needed to firm up my thoughts but at the moment, with regret, I'm largely in disappointed territory.

@user-tm1rf6lv2f

6 жыл бұрын

Very true points, my man. I don't know if I'm even up for a second viewing...a good stand-alone flick it might be, but a terrible addition to the Star Wars saga. Quite insulting, too, since the tone of the film seemed to be self-deprecating and tongue-in-cheek, which isn't Star Wars at all. Star Wars does take itself seriously and this movie did not.

A damn fine review This is some intelligent and well-reasoned analysis right here, unlike some of the hyper-critical stuff I've been reading from certain fans. I get that everyone has an opinion, and truly I think Star Wars fans are some of the most sophisticated viewers when it comes to filmmaking techniques, story construction, character development, etc. But I think this has also become the fandom's curse, because any single minute aspect of the movie that diverges from their personal expectation of what a Star Wars movie should be somehow becomes a crippling flaw that ruins the movie in their minds. I will point them to this review for a more level-headed opinion of the film lol :)

He said he wasn't a starwars fan until the force awakens which explains why it didn't live up to the expectations of the fans but he saw the positive side and little of the negative. The last Jedi was an enjoyable film, visually it was amazing and some scenes really satisfied. The characters we have loved all these years don't seem to be doing a lot or even in some cases seem themselves, the new characters the ones we hoped to replace the veterans have turned out to be less interesting than their predecessors, and this film destroyed a lot of intrigue and closed a lot of questions about the new characters, I'm not talking about fan theories, just answers to the questions we was left with after TFA. Maybe it's nostalgia and years of familiarity that just mean it's never going to be the same for us big kids, or maybe that formula that George Lucas had originally is hard to recreate. The evil samurai, the wizard, the princess and the farm hand, let's not forget the space lone ranger and tonto. But rest assured the new generation of starwars fans, the little short for a stormtrooper ones will love these as we did.

Sometimes nonsense is quite enjoyable...eg: "I am the egg-man, I am the Walrus... Coo coo key chooh". In summary, Relax, accept, enjoy.

I clearly saw a different movie. Complete waste of Laura Dern and Del Toro. The whole section devoted to finding the code breaker was a distraction and ultimately pointless.

Not being a hardcore Star Wars fan either, I completely agree with everything said in this review, though I still preferred Rogue One out of the all the recent ones.

@bunndumm

6 жыл бұрын

cineXplorers I really liked Rogue One the first time and even the second time but the third time I watched it the flaws (Which I knew existed) became so amplified, like the entire movie is filled with Video Game time filler. You have to do this, now you have to find this lever to open this gate, now you have to find this object and then do that and now you have to do find an exit and now this and now that. In the third act especially, there's just so much of this and boring exposition and tech talk that I finally notice that all of this was probably caused by the reshoots, they must've cut a big plot beat from the movie and then to readd some of the time back they must've added all this filler. I still really like the movie, but I don't think I'll want to watch to for a good year or two, I wanna forget about these problems that I noticed the third time around.

@richardbriggs2808

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with Kermode as well on the last Jedi. However I didn’t connect with Rogue One at all. I thought it followed generic beats of a war film and the characters bored me.

@cineXplorers

6 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed Rogue One, I thought it did something different with Star Wars. It was darker and edgier than all the other ones and it felt like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of the Star Wars universe which I thought was quite interesting.

@versioncity1

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Rogue One seems have been the exception rather than the rule. it was my 2nd favourite next to Empire strikes back.

I've not seen the movie yet and I don't know any spoilers, but I'm aware of all the hate from the prequel- lovers and I can't help thinking it's maybe something to do with Snoke.

It was OK, I would go as far as the most entertaining Star wars movie post original trilogy without being no way near it. I think the main problem with every Star wars movie after The return of the jedi is that they feel it has to be epic action-scene, after epic action-scene, after epic action-scene, this hurts the character development and chance to take a breather and just enjoy the setting and scenery. It don't have to be more than three action-scenes and they all don't have to be big scale, you can save that for the finale of the movie.

Can't wait to see Luke's Force ghost.

I loved it, there were a couple of bits I didn’t like but on the whole i enjoyed it

Unfortunately the Barnet Odeon no longer exists either. It is now an Everyman.

"See ya around, kid".

And then they effed it all up in Rise of Skywalker in order to pander to a bunch of cry-baby 90's-born fan boys.

@everything777

3 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that you didn't put "cis gendered" and "white" in there along with your insult. I'm also interested who you think they should have "pandered to" if not the base audience of the movies?

I thought it was pretty boring. The main plot is basically the slowest chase scene ever. And it goes on forever... and ever. Most of the subplots are a waste of time - Finn's, or contrived - Poe's. Main characters are wasted. It should have been a first act, or maybe a first half. But 2 1/2 hours is a joke for how little there is in it.

@nathanliteroy9835

6 жыл бұрын

>Most of the subplots are a waste of time - Finn's, or contrived - Poe's Just because something failes doesn't mean it's a waste of time. You judge plots by the end - if they were successful

@CraigMurraysVids

6 жыл бұрын

Do you mean judge a subplot, or the whole plot, by the end (of the subplot or whole movie)? I think each should be taken on its merits. The end was okay - it would've been better as a first act or mid-point though. Think back to the first act of Return of the Jedi. Everyone's in trouble, Luke turns up after 15 minutes and saves everyone, now we can get on with a proper story.

@nathanliteroy9835

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, think back to Empire Strikes back, whole action amounted to nothing, Luke lost a duel and a hand and got a massive blow with new information, Han got into carbonite. All the movie amounted to was "they survived". Same as this movie

@dacanesta

6 жыл бұрын

Craig Murray glad someone else noticed the whole thing revolves around that slow chase.....you are spot on sir!

@CraigMurraysVids

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, but how many planets did we go to? How many space chases were there? How much Jedi training was there? How much real friends saving each other was there? How much real friends betraying each other was there? How many romances started and broken up were there? All in less time than this plodding movie which has nothing to compare to that.

He loved Transcendence.

Bro nothing is better than revenge of the sith 😊