"No finite offense could merit infinite punishment." -The same objection I got for the Christian concept of Hell.

@gilgamesh7055

2 жыл бұрын

What about infinite consequences? Murder and genocide are clear examples.

@psychmaestro8528

2 жыл бұрын

@@gilgamesh7055 Murder and genocide doesn't compare to hell in the slightest. If the christian theology is true, then hell would be incredibly painful and it doesn't end. What Hitler, Stalin, Mao and other evil totalitarian dictators did to millions of people doesn't compare to what the Christian God's gonna do billions of people without end. Infinite punishment is infinitely evil.

@gilgamesh7055

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychmaestro8528 Don't people like Hitler deserve it though? He pre-meditated and carefully planned vile shit that still affects many families and individuals to this day. For people like him, if your gonna follow a more old-fashioned way of religion where hell is a cleansing fire instead of eternal, then how many centuries or millenia should someone like that suffer? I fully understand and agree with your point that our actions on our tiny pale-blue dot, no matter how intense, are nothing compared to the vastness of the universe, and thus doesent warrant equally vast punishment. Which brings us back to: How long then?

I did not expect this to be such an academic review - LOVED IT

nice to see a show not just pretend to have a message but actually have one

@afrosheenix

6 жыл бұрын

TheCreepypro what's the message, technology is scary? This show is written by 80 year olds terrified of setting clocks on microwaves.

@fiso64

6 жыл бұрын

Watch the video, fucktard. Technology is NEVER the villain in this show.

@friendbreakfast

6 жыл бұрын

Dude, the message of the show is that technology is a MIRROR to the worst parts of humanity. The show never says "technology is bad", but rather "technology is a way of showing what's bad with *US* " That's why it's a MIRROR. It shows us OUR own flaws.

@marsh3133

6 жыл бұрын

I love how @afrosheenix has the audacity to find proof of no meaning by not looking for meaning. Yet another metaphor for the mirror effect.

@Trozomuro

6 жыл бұрын

and the show pretends that the message is a competent one.

You missed the robot bee from Hated in the nation

@metawarp7446

6 жыл бұрын

Cameron Morris How do you mean missed? I don't get what you mean...

@CraigJNewman

6 жыл бұрын

This video is literally unwatchable now...

@OmniMonitor

6 жыл бұрын

According to Charlie Brooker there is a nod to every other episode in Black Museum.

I also think Black Museum shows the two types of viewers. The viewer who actually takes something from the series and tries to change things while the others who just revel in the suffering of the characters. The same people who get mad at episodes having happy/bittersweet endings like San Junipero or Hang the DJ.

@userunavailable4071

6 жыл бұрын

Half of these fucking comments sound like fucking emotional kids who think they could write a better script

@rngouveia

6 жыл бұрын

Hang the DJ is tragic as hell. They literally enslaved and killed that couple 100 times so that the "real" couple could find themselves. I really think in the ending the 100 simulated couples should hug and cry at the realization of what they are, before being deleted. In the way the episode was structured, it makes the viewer feel like the simulated couples dont matter, what contradicts what is expressed in all the others episodes where there are simulated people.

@frfras7

5 жыл бұрын

@Βασίλειος Φίλιπποu the ia supposed to be sad

@frfras7

5 жыл бұрын

@@rngouveia exactly

Favourite episode White Christmas

@KakosKairos

6 жыл бұрын

black museum tho.... actually every ep is amazing

@KeepOnDreamingDude

6 жыл бұрын

Artliker1234 white Christmas is essentially a great feature film

@jesush7662

6 жыл бұрын

I always show my friends 15 million credits, might no be the best. But it’s a good starting point

@rez188

6 жыл бұрын

My fav is ‘white bear’, its not a popular choice but it and ‘shut up and dance’ hit me the hardest

@philbox3productions

6 жыл бұрын

Artliker1234 the best episode no question

These sentient computer coding versions of real people are copies. Despite having the memory of past actions and feeling as though they committed those past actions, they are not guilty. They are essentially punished for what their physical counterparts did. To me, that doesn't sound like justice.

@TiagoTiagoT

6 жыл бұрын

That's quite a deep rabbit hole to get into. What if a crime is committed by one of the sentient digital copies? What if that copy intentionally makes additional copies of itself after the crime is committed but before it is punished? What if one of the copies of a copy intentionally erases the original copy before the original is punished? Now back to the original situation of a human having committed the crime, what if the copy isn't digital, but implanted on a perfect biological clone of the human? And what if the human that committed the crime creates a backup of themself before punishment and implants it on a perfect biological clone before turning themself in? And what if the punishment doesn't go as far as killing the human that committed the crime, and after the human is freed, they reimplant into their own brain the backup from before the punishment, overwriting the mind that did got punished with the backup from before they were punished? And what if when the human goes get arrested, there is a perfect biological clone with a copy of the mind and you can't tell which one is the original?

@alternative_action

6 жыл бұрын

Bobby Ranger It’s fucked up but that depends on who you ask and how much empathy you have. I feel bad for the “copies” because they are having to feel and experience psychological torture but that’s just how I see it.

@The482075

6 жыл бұрын

Rabbit hole indeed, Tiago Tiago. You might want to write a script and sell it to Christopher Nolan...

@JokerL1000

6 жыл бұрын

Never thought of that

Hey jared! Great video! I appreciate everyones work at wisecrack! Keep it up!

I know that Penn Gillette gets credit for the first story in Black Museum but the second one was totally Karl Pilkington's movie idea from the Ricky Gervais show and they just expanded on it.

@Azidoazideazide.

6 жыл бұрын

Gail Bello Pilkington also had the idea for the first short story as well the first two stories were pretty much ideas thought of by him.

Thank you guys for another thorough dive into Black Mirror. I love the emphasis on empathy in this analysis and the potential it carries.

Emphasis on *slightly* more optimistic.

Fantastic take Jared, well done. Appreciate the analysis greatly. Hope to hear more about your take on this series in the future.

You are a lot more animated than I thought you'd be.

Love what you did with my favorite show! Totally took it up a notch

great video, just what i was looking for after watching this season! i got tired of other YT videos always call the story connections “easter eggs”, they were meant much deeper, thanks!

Great literary analysis of this superb series. Thank you!

This is such an awesome analysis

What an insightful and enlightening view! Thank you so much for that

I’ve tried to get into this show multiple times but you guys put it in such a way that it seems interesting. Thanks for doing that.

Great video! This channel deserves a ton more attention tbh

Probably your best quick take so far !

'Black Museum' reminds me of the old Orson Welles radio show which is also called 'The Black Museum'. The opening dialogue of the show was, 'The Black Museum... a repository of death. Here in the grim stone structure on the Thames which houses Scotland Yard is a warehouse of homicide, where everyday objects... a woman’s shoe, a tiny white box, a quilted robe... all are touched by murder.' Just a thought I had.

Black Mirror is the best sci-fi show on tv right now.

@andrewlyon4495

6 жыл бұрын

I think Agents of SHIELD is better, though does not reach the same highs that BM can.

@TheOnlyCheeseGuru

6 жыл бұрын

The Expanse is pretty nice too

@bauhausa6933

6 жыл бұрын

I actually havent heard of that show.Gonna check it out

@ethanflys

6 жыл бұрын

I think you mean best show on TV right now.

@zamelification

6 жыл бұрын

Is it really sci-fi? I think its as sci-fi as Rick and Morty is.

great episode guys

this was an amazing insightful video

Have you done any videos on the twilight zone? I'd love to see what you could make!

This all went over my head

I love this show! Slowly peeling the layers until the inevitable wtf, just to take a breath and start again with a brand new story. In my mind, episodes vary from great and amazing to good, but with an incredible twist (white bear, hang the dj).

Great summary

I used to love Black Mirror....until I saw Inside No 9. Makes black mirror look like a Disney show...

@katie2275

6 жыл бұрын

Scott Backula I think no 9 is definitely less dark and more comedy most of the time

@scottbackula1581

6 жыл бұрын

That ‘Christmas Devil’ episode was the most unsettling thing I’ve seen on TV.

@katie2275

6 жыл бұрын

Scott Backula yeah haha that one was fucked up, I meant that most of them are dark but it's definitely not as bad as black mirror.

I need more black mirror darn it more!

Great video!

This is better than your wisecrack edition on the show, love it!

No way! I was waiting for this!

Thank you for this content. Makes you think about the bigger picture.

"the Apache of helicopter parents" love it!

The guy in this video needs a hug. With 2 mio followers its a vulnerable situation to step in front of the camera. Respect for doing so! .. but just be yourself man - so much more relaxing for everybody to watch it and receive the message.

You just blew my mind.

As much I liked your analisys, I'm afraid that I disagree with your conclusion about the episode. To me, the point of the ending is to show that we are all prisioners of our sense of justice and even, some kind of urge for sadistic compensation for what we consider as faults. The episode seems to trace a line that goes from empathy-justice-sadism, and no one can escape from that (not even the girl, with the mother in her mind; not even ourselves) We like to watch it, and we blame Rolo, but it's a vicious circle. Very disturbing, but amazing episode. Love your videos!! Greetings!

@thiagorocha6465

6 жыл бұрын

Mon Diolas I have a similar view.

@vicentemorales2533

6 жыл бұрын

I like your interpretation more too

@SpyroTek

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe there just isn't a point.

@kagutsuchi969

6 жыл бұрын

+Ray Rivera The problem with blaming media for the behaviour of humans, leads to the question, what rap music, horror franchise or shoot-me up game are we going to blame for the thousands of years of violence, in terms of war, slavery, genocide, that humans have committed? Media is merely a representation of who we are, a mirror of our own desires.

@Digitalhunny

6 жыл бұрын

Mon Diolas - I agree, with both of you? I can see both your points of view. This is weird for a comment section. *So, refreshing!*

Philosophy of Neon Genesis Evangelion

@Th3-3nd

6 жыл бұрын

It's a metaphor for incest.. There you go.. ;)

@wrigh2uk

6 жыл бұрын

If ever a anime needed wisecracks take it’s neon genesis. Hurry TF up already!!!

@Dazekage1

6 жыл бұрын

A beautiful way of expressing anxiety and depression

@FrostiKing

6 жыл бұрын

Philosophy of Neon Genesis Evangelion? Don't drop acid then do your theology homework, then spending the rest of the night trying to self diagnosis mental disorders.

So, I think even though the show motivates us towards justice, the point of the episode is that we ultimately wont listen. Nish leaves with a souvenir, just like everybody else.

Please do Three billboards outside Ebbing Missouri

Can't wait for you to do Black Mirror: Bandersnatch

Great investigation of Black Mirror. Any chance of doing one for the similar but oh-so-different Dimension 404? That would be much appreciated.

Great Review for a great show.

please do more black mirror episodes!

Has anybody else noticed Jared's constant little dance when he's shown talking?

Next time make Dirk Gently

@virginiahaskins8900

4 жыл бұрын

Ed S. YES!!!

Do Ballad of Buster Scruggs! There is a lot of meta-narrative commentary similar to black mirror.

Okay, here's one issue I have with Black Museum, and it's very simple. Nish punishes Rollo Haynes by murdering him and then torturing his consciousness (before killing that too along with the consciousness of an invalid Clayton, and then creating a keyring copy of Rollo screaming in eternal pain) because she feels morally repulsed by what he has done to Dawson, Carrey, and to her Father. But how does this revenge make Nish any better than Rollo? That seemed very "eye for an eye" to me. Nish could quite easily have put the holo-Clayton out of his misery without having to vindictively punish Rollo so excessively and bring herself down to his level. I can understand that as Clayton's daughter she is the victim of Rollo as both her parents are effectively dead because of him (apart from her mother, who's in her head, but she still committed suicide in real life) but although that's empathetic and gives us the feel-good revenge ending, nothing justifies her murdering him and leaving him in eternal pain; yes, Rollo is a very twisted and corrupt inventor but he is still a human being and he didn't threaten Nish at all. Arguably the only person that Rollo unambiguously set out to hurt was Clayton. The other thing that the episode and infact the whole series didn't expand upon was the question of whether AI consciousnesses are the same as real people; should they have rights? Do they deserve to be treated the same as us? The episode automatically assumes that it's a given we will sympathise with the simulated versions of human beings, but there's an equally valid argument to say that they're not human and we shouldn't sympathise. We learn that after Rollo put Carry's consciousness into the stuffed bear, the UN banned that kind of practice. "They have to be able to express a minimum of 5 emotions"; how does that work in practice though? And how were these laws surrounding AI Consciousness decided? To me that would be really fascinating ground for a future Black Mirror episode to delve more into.

@DarthBiomech

6 жыл бұрын

I think, that cruel insensitivity that follows with a disproportionate retribution is kinda trails across the whole series as a theme. So you weren't supposed to think that Nish was just or right. That "equally valid" argument is a path to racism, you know. A copy of the human being should be treated as a human, because if it just a philosophical zombie and you consider it a human, then nothing horrible is happening, just an unprovable superstition, like the one that we should treat dead bodies and graves with respect. But if it is indeed a human consciousness and you don't consider it as human, then you get that nightmarish situation, demonstrated in the show, where Upload are treated as nothing more than objects, and you can torture it however you please, since "what the issue, it's not real!". And I think that anybody who indeed believes that, should be screened for the signs of sociopathy, since their mirror neurons obviously do not work right.

@in_a_tizzy

6 жыл бұрын

Edward Hunter protagonists don’t always do what we expect them to. Nish isn’t a substitute for our ideals in the matter. She represents herself and her wishes. In this case, sure it was a bit “sadistic,” but then that’s Nish’s story

@pauldelabarreward6559

6 жыл бұрын

It sort of parallels white bear in that regard, except it's flipped. We are rooting for Nish, who is inflicting a "shockingly" similar punishment that Baxter and co. Inflict on Victoria. One could argue that in Victoria's present state, she is really not the same person as she who was condemned and therefore more innocent than Rolo, but the concept of infinite retributive justice is still there. This time, however, it's the "good guy" that is inflicting infinite suffering.

@ashishrandive9417

6 жыл бұрын

I guess she can destroy the souvenir any time, thereby freeing rolo from his misery. That way she can have her justice without having too much of a spot on her conscience. My main gripe is, how can nish transfer Rollo inside clayton? If holo-clayton is a representation of the 40% of flesh-clayton, wouldn't the holo-clayton be using 100% of his "brain", thereby leaving no space for backseat-rollo to ride on? I dont know, that was too much for me. A holographic copy of a dead prisoner carrying a consciousness of another person? Come on!

@LordGamesHD

6 жыл бұрын

I agree!

I've never watched Black Mirror. I know literally NOTHING about it. But the first two minutes of this video has made me drop everything I am doing. Including this to remedy this affliction I find myself with: Not knowing anything about this show. Good Job. You did in two minutes what the show never was able to do in the entire time it's been on: make me want to watch the hell out of it.

Thanks Jared for the enlightenment... I was disappointed in most of the episodes of season 4... felt like they got watered down... i loved black museum, It felt great! almost accepted the fact that i got hooked and needed more from the series... just as you described it. Thanks!

I feel like the ending was a bit hypocritical, like you said it’s in humane to subject anyone to punishments for eternity and therefore the girl killed her father but she also kept the keychain which is a copy of the guy’s conscious covered experiencing pain. She’s doing the same thing he did, sign that kinda weird?

Wow, thanks! I never understood the title of Black Mirror before.

San Junipero made me cry. Shows and movies rarely make me cry. This is how fucking good this show is.

branstorm's Douglas Trumbull movie did this en 1983

The jalapeño analogy was spot on

I binged season 4 just to watch this video! Holy crap - what a ride

Hey, how about a philosophy or even a quick take on the witcher. Im positive there is a lot of chewing material in the series (especialy in the books)

It's interesting how they start the series trapping the dude from USS Calister forever. Then in the last epsiode we see the ramifications of that sort of punishment on the prisoner. But then Nish, who is meant to represent the audience, still chooses to give the same punishment to Rollo, proving that the audience have learnt nothing. So despite the lessons black mirror teaches us it thinks if we faced the same situation in our lives we wouldn't act differently. Masterful episode and great vid @Wisecrack

Why does Jared move around like he's strung out on something

@standardofexcellence

6 жыл бұрын

puddingninja was noticing that too seems like a nerd on coke

@dannyp2970

6 жыл бұрын

nerds can't take drugs, that is a big fat oily lie.

@Dwellerz

6 жыл бұрын

Right?! he's like a bobble head on a washing machine.

@nesrinoz3926

6 жыл бұрын

He does twich a LOT

@dantebad

6 жыл бұрын

I talk like that too when im exited about the topic im trying to explain to somebody. Over-enthusiasm isn't a desease. is just a way of behave.

Pinpointed why I loved black museum, actually cleared my ideas on it.

What do you make of the burning of black museum. I’m sure the show will keep going but what does it mean when she burns down all the relics from the show and like essentially the show?

Idec if I agree, you guys are awesome

Do an episode by episode analysis, starting from season 1.

Does the title black mirror relate to the mirror that Nostrodamis used to predict the future?

Do the philosphy on Dark!

Make a video about The Philosophy of Dirk Gently !! Season 2 came out recently and the show is super good

It's up to each of us to do what we will with the technology that might come, and to preserve our empathy. Shows like Black Mirror are perfect for that.

Black Museum felt like an episode of SNICK's 'Are You Afraid of the Dark', or the tv-series of 'Goosebumps'. All the way down to the hammy curator who runs a museum of artifacts from previous episodes. Srsly... it felt like an episode written by children for children.

perfect timing, i just finished this season 10 mins ago.

Do the philosophy of the tv series Taxi please.

"What's the point?" - I ask myself that each morning.

i just found your channel and you sound like the Infographics Show here on KZread!!

Black Museum is my favorite episode but White Christmas comes a close second with San Junipero at third

Wisecrack can you do a vid about the philosophy of an HBO show titled "The Leftovers"?

You guys got way more out of that episode than I did, I was thinking it might've been the worst one. But now I'm reconsidering because you had some great points.

YEAH!!!

The Philosophy of Psycho-Pass, Sense8, or Arrow would be interesting takes.

You guys should really look into Flowers of Evil. It's a really Interesting one season show

Can you do the Graduate (1967) next?

The point is its a horror genre about fear of the worst without any innovation or preparation or intervention, because that's the fear. That nobody will prove this future wrong. Will let this the mirror reflect our light. In the end, she did the same evil to the man which she condemned him for. No grace. No improvement. No Strike the Root removement of the obstacles. Only condemnation for those who trip on them instead of help. This was the episode to me that gave the series no point at all.

I haven't seen Black Mirror since season 1, how is it since then?

I have always been made to feel like an outsider. I dont have Facebook, instagram or snapchat. I dont enjoy watching violence like action movies or UFC fights. I thought I was just getting old and losing my cool factor, but now Im feeling pretty good about my ways.

Wisecrack, I would love it if you did a philosophy of Borderlands. I don't know if there is enough things to go off to create such a theory or not but I would really enjoy watching it although I do have a single point about how Pandora's name is a reference or homage or something like that to its unpredictability, Pandora is the planet of which 3 of the 4 games take place on.

wasn't there a wisecrack episode about silicon valley

Karl Pilkington had the idea for the first two short stories with black Museum on the Ricky Gervais show on HBO.

I think this episode is also the show saying it knows its audience will dwindle and that someone will kill it soon enough.

Please, make The Philosophy of Legacy of Kain (game series)

Nice vid wisecrack! One thing I saw from Black Museum was the fact that the episode is a massive middle finger to The Twilight Zone. A) The Killing off the host (Douglas Hodge's character) for dumbing down it's audience (like in The Twilight Zone). B) The museum is full of the objects that we have seen not only of this season but the mask from white bear as previously mentioned. C) Since Black Mirror is an anthology series, the episode served as a reminder to it's audience that, "we are not the Twilight Zone, we are a different show."

Does this video contain footage from season 4?

Black Museum was my favourite episode this season and maybe the whole series

@TheLegionsama

6 жыл бұрын

Aisosa Ihama same the story about the girl who avenger her father was shit but god damm I really like all the story they told in black museum.. I demande a spin off !

uss callister is my favorite episode of all time. black museum was good too.

fuck i love wisecrack

Black Museum was amazing and I couldn’t sleep that night I watched it. The Star Trek, ArkAngel and Hang The DJ ones were just as good though.

USS Callister and Crocodile reminded me of two Futurama episodes. Is it just me?

u can do something on the butterfly effect

@stefanix1000

6 жыл бұрын

also on the justification of doing intended self conscious harm?

Anyone else find it off-putting that they hired someone in her 20s to play a 15 year old girl in Arkangel? I mean, it's one thing when she's petite with a baby face, but that girl...was not that

@Peachu_n_Goma_Home

5 жыл бұрын

I think they should have gotten someone more closer to 15 years old because when the girl did drugs, became pregnant, hitchhiking a trucker, a lot of times I was thinking damn she's grown up, she needs her privacy, respect, etc. But if it was clearly a child actress (not someone like 20 yr old), I think to relate more with the mother, like, oh no, she's just a child; because children do have problem with control, they also act impulsively.

nice

Do the philosophy of Devilman