I have the SFX and the Echelon. Both guns feel great in my hand so with that being said I do give an edge to Canik with the trigger for sure but I do give a slight edge to the Echelon with accuracy. It is great what Springfield has done with the option for optics but I don't think you can go wrong with either gun.

Put a light on that Rival and watch how flat it shoots 💯

You already know that the Canik is going to win what comes stock from the factory over any gun on the market LOL

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

What's that phrase that Eric over at IV8888 is always using? Ummm... case candy?

@pauldvorsky1969

10 ай бұрын

Echelon is still a better shooter. I don't need any extra cleaning brushes or a cute little gun tool.

@AUGUSTUSHEYLIGER-bq7zz

10 ай бұрын

Facts!

@mikebilbo-cj7ex

10 ай бұрын

If the trinkets are an important part of your purchase decision then go for the Canik

@djcrash1471

9 ай бұрын

The trigger on the Canik alone makes it a galaxy away from the echelon

A punch comes with the Echelon - it's part of the backstrap. And the Canik plates aren't really a value proposition since they are unnecessary with the Echelon. Echelon comes with a loader. The only real item that increases the value proposition of the Canik is the holster.

A fellow IDPA competitor let me shoot his Echelon and it was easy to hit 6" Steel round plates at 25 yards with just the irons. Although I still have yet to shoot any Canik pistol, the Echelon is truly remarkable. Makes me want to put a decent set of sights on my XDM 4.5"!

@mickeyesslinger1977

9 ай бұрын

I have 3 of the echelons and about 12 caniks and this video is fake news the rivals out shoot the echelon easy it's not even close #1 the less flip is wrong ,got to put a light on that canik to compare truthfully the canik with win if you do you talk about the treaded barrel on the echelon if you want it but you forgot to mention that will cost you more than the canik ,there goes that comparison on price and the truth is you can buy the rival for about 550.00 now because they have been around for a while and there are more of them on the market the week I got my frist echelon after it was sighted in and a break in period me my wife and a couple of friends all shot them back to back for an hour or so and after about 250 rounds though it one it was obvious that everyone was shooting the canik better not just a little tiny bit but by a decent amount better since then I have gotten the theaded echelon and have shot it up against a few of my rivals with the same results the canik rivals and the walther PDP PRO are the best shooting guns under 1000$ in my experience and opinion but hey we all have them (opinions) so go shoot them for yourself before you buy them and make the choice that right fir you!!

@solaydbak

7 ай бұрын

⁠where are you finding the rival s for $550?

@CHEECHMUN

5 ай бұрын

I like what you said. My 1st Canik TP9SFx was ta tack driver, then the Rival even better with the better trigger. Now I want the Rival-S, or wait until April for the TTI Combat. @@mickeyesslinger1977

As I've said many times, I'm a hardcore Smith and Wesson guy, the Echelon is amazing... I believe it is the absolute best "duty" gun out there, BUT it is not yet proven to my satisfaction, which is why I choose M&P 2.0 for my home defense pistols... You can't go wrong with S&W...

@Shenmue06

9 ай бұрын

The m&p has the amazing apex trigger kit option so it's still one of the best. The echelon needs a compact version and aftermarket trigger support. Hopefully we get a compact echelon 10mm!

@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521

6 ай бұрын

Damn right bro. Smitty gang strong. I have a few m&p’s. All with apex triggers. Make Glock and Walter fans blush how good the M&P is with it. Also it’s been proven to work well. Many police departments run with smittys.

Echelon simply b/c I keep my rear sight when adding an optic..plus I love the way it shoots and looks..thus far it seems like a solid pistol

I have the Canik, it was a toss up between the metal frame S&W and the Rival. The S&W came with 2 more mags, but the Canick just felt way smoother and was $400 less. I haven't added a red dot yet, but i absolutely love it!

@user-zt8wc9zr7w

2 күн бұрын

The Turkish guns exports support a tyrannic regime, which invades neighbor countries, bombs children in Syria, has committed and is still committing genocides and other war crimes... So there's no comparison. Please, do not support war criminals. Thank you!

Definitely want to check out the Springfield but I love my canik!!!

@Caniksigboy78

10 ай бұрын

I shot my boys it's nice definitely want one. But my canik is🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Caniks are fun but need more maintenance on springs and such. I’m impressed with the stress tests so far on the Echelon takes mud and sand even better than Glock

@Caniksigboy78

10 ай бұрын

My mete sf 4000 rounds. Love it

@gjk50002

9 ай бұрын

I'm at 19,000 rds, (Combat) with all original parts and zero malfunctions... what's the additional "maintenance and such"?

@thefrijole15

8 ай бұрын

@@gjk50002 he watched an honest outlaw video...

Thanks for review great comparison appreciate you

Great video! I’ve been waiting for someone to compare these two pistols side by side. Not a fair comparison on muzzle rise with a light mounted on the Echelon and not the Rival though

@readyredge1159

10 ай бұрын

A mounted light does make a difference on muzzle rise

@reekz8089

10 ай бұрын

rival is my favorite gun and I want the S version . I don’t have the echelon yet but I want one.

@Shenmue06

9 ай бұрын

The caniks and Walthers are snappier than most pistols. It has to do with the bore axis and how they're overall designed. They have good triggers but they're not the best pistols for overall speed. If echelon had a trigger like the canik it would absolutely destroy it on the range. The canik only has 2 things going for it which are the price and trigger. Everything else about it isn't very impressive and it's optic cut is the worst in the business since it's designed for micro optics.

@pharaongaming8617

9 ай бұрын

@@Shenmue06 Absolutely, people don't like to talk about that lol, The Grip isn't as comfortable as Most, hell even a Glock is more comfortable, and they got really high bore Axis At that point what is the point of a striker fired gun? Just give me a Hammer fired one For pure speed and comfort I would defenitely pick something Like CZ75, IWI Jericho or Bersa TPR 9 over a Canik or Walther Also don't forget the fact that Caniks have gotten more expensive than Most Pistols, their price Is over Glock now Lmao And they also Jam sometimes unlike all the other Pistols at that price Range In my opinion it's a Great Pistol, I really love the look of Full Size Mete Series especially, the SFX and SFT but it's an overrated Pistol overall

@Shenmue06

9 ай бұрын

@@pharaongaming8617 Dude half of the things you said aren't even true. Caniks are still cheaper than Glocks and they're more comfortable in the hands compared to the glock. The Glock has a horrible grip angle and hump on the grip. The newest canik mete sf with a magwell is only $400 new.. Double action pistols died a horrible death the moment the first glock hit the market. Go ahead and think what you want though lol.

Lower muzzle rise on the Echelon may very well be due to the additional weight from the added light. One was light-bearing and one was not. I would like to see this particular comparison revisited.

Absolutely love the echelon. Wasn't a fan of Springfield until I carried my Hellcat and this Echelon is amazing

Adding four ounces at the front of gun could certainly impact muzzle flip. You probably should have used the light on both guns. The results may have still favored the Springfield but it would be nice to know.

great content keep up the great work

The echelon and the shadow systems dr920 foundations are probably my favorite duty sized guns on the market rn in terms of value and features. $600 or so and get everything you need. And great optics systems

Hegshot, Great video! What Holster were you using with the Echelon? Subscribed

Lol I may not be a smart man but a light hanging off the front will help it shoot flatter

@andrewevins7361

3 ай бұрын

Same thing I said. How could he not mention that?!

One other big feature the Echelon has over the Canik is the chassis system. Lots of options for the single pistol are in the works. That along with the optics mounting system would make it my choice of the two.

@RepentorPerish77

10 ай бұрын

And you don’t lose your rear sight when adding an optic

@RepentorPerish77

9 ай бұрын

@@user-uz1sf5hq7k plenty who have the ability to do so…those who own P320s buy Wilson combat frames, and other frames all the time…

@jefferytillis8309

9 ай бұрын

@@user-uz1sf5hq7k I have two extra grip modules for my P365. And Sig keeps adding new ones for the P320. Wilson Combat even created their own for the P365. Someone must be buying. I myself keep waiting on IWI to make extras for the Masada Slim. Plenty of Glock options even though those are not as easy to change.

I have multiple caniks ! They are amazingly versatile & great shooters. They actually shoot better than some sigs & glocks! I think your right on about synopsis of the pdp or pdq. That is a great shooting gun. I have shot the echelon and it is a flatter shooting gun and in my opinion also a bit faster. The better value is the canik!

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

I've always thought that Walther pistols were a bit flippy. Or at least more so than my Vp9 and Vp9sk were. And it seems like something that carried over when Canik based so much of their designs off the old Walther p99. (Which I also owned). Not saying that in any kind of bad way. I'd gladly own and shoot any Walther pistol.

@PhilJLF

10 ай бұрын

@@user-dq9pq8uv4ehave you fired the new walther PDP with a 5 inch barrel, they are a little over 500; I don’t like Springfield as a company, wont support them. I know some firearm stores that won’t even carry their products lol

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

@@PhilJLF Hiya Phil. I wish that I could say that I have. I like Walthers, so I'd love to try one out. Sadly the gun range close to me doesn't have them for rent. 😕 Totally OFF topic. but those things look like a pistol whip from them, would be like bashing somebody with a MACE! 😁 They most definitely succeeded in the intimidation factor for this one! It's funny, when I hear Springfield... I think "Overly high priced 1911's and rifles". The XDM, the hammer fired variant, and now some of their micros are about the only products that I have that I'm curious about. That is funny tho. Why are the stores not wanting to carry them?

Race versus duty pistol not really apple to apple.

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

He even says that he has a lot of people asking for the comparison. I mean... sometimes... ya just gotta give people what they want.

@BeauTylerMakesMusic

17 күн бұрын

Duty vs race is almost always a marketing scam that people are complete suckers for. 😂

Both are great guns however, Canik would be my preference.

I got the Echelon with 3 dot night sights and threaded barrel

Ive got one of each. Its a close call. Love them both!

After some serious considerations, I picked up a Canik. It's the best bang for your buck! The Mete SFX is cheaper and comes with 2 magazines. 18 and 21 rounds.

@sbr-synrosimbugracing9338

8 ай бұрын

The Echelon comes with a 17 and a 20 round mag with a base to convert the 17 to 20. Not sure why he didn't mention this in his video. The LEO version comes with 3 mags with one being a 17 that can be converted to 20 with the supplied base. Makes for a great duty weapon.

To me this wasn't even a contest. The Springfield wins in every category. And the most important category is reliability which Springfield destroys canik in. All of my Springfields eat every type of ammo I feed them, they have never malfunctioned. I have had 3 Caniks and will say that I shoot them accurately. All 3 were ammo picky and that's unacceptable for a gun I plan to carry and/or use for home defense. Caniks are known for being ammo picky which I wasn't aware of prior to buying them. Canik is also not great on ergos. They feel blocky and top heavy and on the heavier side. Springfield Echelon for the win 🏆

You can't beat a Springfield for quality and function.

As far as consistency goes, I think Canik is way ahead of the curve compared to Springfield. It really is impressive how much, and the quality of what you get with a Canik for the price point. Most seem to shoot far above what you would expect for the price.

@diceydie-c

10 ай бұрын

Wait a minute are you really saying that canik has a better reputation than Springfield as a company LOL do you know how many decades they've been putting out top quality firearms? Waaaaay more consistent than canik. Nobody knows how caniks will hold up over a decade. We know about springfield

@MeatBird

10 ай бұрын

​@@diceydie-c maybe question Springfield for letting a new company make a new pistol an equivalent

@docgillygun9531

10 ай бұрын

Yes. I think they do a better job than Springfield.

@whatsup24_7

10 ай бұрын

@@diceydie-c hahaha yeah he's on crack.. Springfield is way ahead of Canik..They are innovative, have more calibers than just 9mm, and make rifles, etc..None of my Springfields have ever jammed, they eat every brand and type of ammo I put thru them..All 3 of my Caniks were ammo picky, they would jam with some types of ammo..That's unacceptable for a gun you're gonna carry or defend your home with..

@hks956

10 ай бұрын

HS Produkt is great. IMO they are too good to be branded under Springfield Armory and I wish they could do their own thing. Springfield Armory "The First Name in American Firearms" ...made in Croatia. IMO They should just stick what they make in house.

Im looking at buying my first Canik as my next gun. I own the echelon and I love that thing. I can’t complain about anything aside from the back strap system. It’s a great gun for sure

@nothere2a96

5 ай бұрын

You won’t be disappointed with the sfx rival. Setup with a holosun 507c red dot and holosun pid light You can’t go wrong take my word for it.

@user-zt8wc9zr7w

2 күн бұрын

The Turkish guns exports support a tyrannic regime, which invades neighbor countries, bombs children in Syria, has committed and is still committing genocides and other war crimes... So there's no comparison. Please, do not support war criminals. Thank you!

@user-zt8wc9zr7w

2 күн бұрын

​@@nothere2a96supporting the Turkish aggression by buying their exported guns can go wrong. The money of these exports are partially used in commiting crimes against neighbour countries of turkey. Please do not support this 🙏

I think i would like one of each, already have the springfield, halfway there.

Can anyone explain what the grip modules give you that the back straps do not??

I was able to pick up the Canik SFX Rival dark last year for $575. An excellent gun made even better by the price. My beef with the Echelon is the mags. I already have a hellcat pro and hellcat with a sizeable investment in 15 rd mags (limit for my state). If those mags were compatible it would be a no brainer.

@MrFreeMinds

9 ай бұрын

There's an option online to get a 10 rd magazine version

I had to bring my rival back because it was slightly too big for my hands and trigger reach was too far. How's the echelons frame and distance to trigger for people with smaller hands?

@stangately2456

3 ай бұрын

You can order a small grip, and use the smaller of 3 interchangeable back straps. The gun comes with the medium grip, but the same 3 back straps. I needed to go the other way, and ordered the larger grip and use the largest back strap. It’s a great concept, very versatile.

Check out the METE SFT/SFX Pro for a threaded version of the Rival. Same trigger except polymer instead of aluminum. Shoots suppressed very well.

As far as the flatter shooting from the Echelon, I don’t have a dog in this fight but that was not a fair comparison. If you had an under barrel light on both of them that were roughly the same, then that would be fair. The added weight under the barrel on the Echelon will dampen barrel rise and make it shoot flatter than without the light. With only one of the pistols having this attachment, it’s giving a leg up to the Echelon out of the gate for which shoots flatter.

@roguemodel

5 ай бұрын

You are correct sir

I'm kind of between the standard sfx and the rival. I went to a local shop today but the closest they had in stock was an sft. I was pretty impressed with the heft of that one, so I can't wait to get one of the full sizes in my hand

@user-rn4dm3fm7v

3 ай бұрын

I have an SFT and it is a shooter!

Agree with @J0seWales, great review. I have the Rival and the exact CZ you used as the example of great trigger, don't have the Echelon. Despite my innate hatred of guns smaller than the Glock 19, Springfield Hellcat I have in my console and conceal carry is really not too bad so I'm sure the Echelon is pretty great, too. I'll probably get one eventually and probably love it like I do the Rival after I get off my PDP kick which I also love. Not a single decent pistol from the past few years doesn't totally overmatch my ability to get every drop of capability out of it. Great thing is that we can all get exactly what we like and want.

Thanks, Howie and J***~

The Echelon has the VIZ and COG systems along with awesome egos and deep cuts on the frame. The Echelon runs circles around that Canik let's be honest.

This comparison doesn't make sense One of these is a duty gun and the other is a competition gun It's like comparing a F150 fleet truck to a Ram TRX, sure they can both technically do the same truck stuff, but they're designed for different things (price notwithstanding)

You make my life harder fam. I like both and can’t decide which one to get. I have many polymers guns already 😢. The Canik Rival Steel frame is one I’ve been looking at.

@lightingkraken1866

5 ай бұрын

Is there any update on which one you picked? I’m on the same boat lol but I don’t like how this guy has one with a light attached and the rival doesn’t. Also the steel frame apparently is having issues right now so I would wait for the TTI canik

I have both. Wanted the Echelon to be better. But its not. Mostly due to the trigger. Rival is a great gun.

That flat trigger is easy to mis judge on the reset..double taps ..I put one in my Canik sf to carry..takes some getting used to so train accordingly Brother.

Thanks!

I looked at these and a few others but man that echelon is sweet and that's what I went with and I pick it up today.

Great video man. Love both of these brands. One caveat, the light in the echelon is going to automatically decrease muzzle rise. Wonder how it would compare with both having lights.

I have a Rival and really like it. I'm not a big fan of how the Rival or Springfield looks. That said you don't buy a pistol for looks but for performance. I don't think the Springfield is enough of a improvement anywhere to warrant purchasing one. The Rival easily out performs most of the shooters that own one. It appears the Springfield has less recoil but you can always get your Rival ported or add a comp and work on that part of the Rival. In the end I'll save my money and work on being better with my Rival. $600 buys a-lot of practice ammo !

One is a duty based gun the other is a competition gun not the best comparison in my opinion. Good vid though.

I have both and they are equally phenomenal firearms!!!

My buddy has a Canik TP9SFX. Thing is big and pretty good shooter. What I like about Canik is all one gets for the price point. Case, holster, mag loader, tiny toy gun lol, etc etc. my S&W came in a cardboard box two mags and have a nice a day lol.

@CHEECHMUN

5 ай бұрын

Have a Nice Day, LMAO

Canik FTW....

She had a really nice group going on, in that first clip! WTG Missus Hegshot! 👍

Why didn’t you remove the light from the Echelon?

Echolon is the new standard. Glock is way behind of the game.. Id go P320/Echelon if im going polymer frame. PDP is also pretty sweet.

Maybe that extra muzzle rise with the Canik is because you've got your light on the Echelon instead of the Canik. I own both and the Canik trigger is hands down better over the Echelon which has a longer take up, heavier trigger, and longer reset.

@Shenmue06

9 ай бұрын

The canik actually is a snappy pistol like the pdp. Even without the light the echelon would be less snappy. That's a fact .

@Shenmue06

9 ай бұрын

Everyone knows that the echelon has a worse trigger. Overall it's a more expensive, better made gun. There's more to a gun than just the trigger.

@AtillaTheHung1

9 ай бұрын

@@Shenmue06 I own both and my Canik is less snappy than the Echelon. if you're having problems with recoil management there are good trainers who can help you with that.

@AtillaTheHung1

9 ай бұрын

@@Shenmue06 Better made how?

@Shenmue06

9 ай бұрын

@@AtillaTheHung1 Omg the canik is definitely snappier. Now I can't take you seriously 🤦.

I was really looking between these two with a lean toward the Canik. Opted for a CZ P10c because it was a better option for a do it all gun. Next purchase will be a Canik though. The trigger was amazing, the sights really pop and the price point is amazing. The echelon though is one of the best looking guns though

Id hope the firearm that retails for 300 something more would outperform the Springfield but id be happy to own either one lol i have an older XDM 9mm before RMRs were a thought and did some nice work/upgrades and 4k rounds in zero hiccups with all sorts of ammo. Powder river trigger kit, hi viz fiber sights also with tritium, fully stippled frame. Love that thing, sentimental value seeing its my first ever handgun as well.

Which has less felt recoil?????

My only question about the Canik - Is this sold as a duty weapon where agencies require a heavier trigger pull? I know the Echelon is advertised as a duty pistol and this will obviously make a difference.

@lurtiskoe

4 ай бұрын

the rival is a competition style gun. if you want a duty style canik you just the TP9SFX

Any chance they will come out in 45 ACP or 10MM thanks for the info

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

@Funandgames7847 Who is "they"? Canik or Springfield? And which model? Canik... not likely. They're pretty much just 9mm.

Oh, I believe both pistols are very nice! Just get both…… problem solve!

I have both pistols and would say they are very close, BUT, for carry the Echelon has the advantage hands-down. IF I were to enter competition, the Rival has the advantage hands-down. Two guns that are close in utility are distinctly made for different purposes. The trigger on the Rival is too light (3 lbs) for my liking in a carry gun, but on the range it is master. For EDC, the Echelon trigger is optimum.

@GabylannPR

9 ай бұрын

In your opinion wich one has less recoil?

@raifcluster

9 ай бұрын

@@GabylannPR, I'd say it's a toss up between the two as far as felt recoil. I imagine that each person's experience may differ depending on their grip. The weight specs are almost identical. The Rival has 1/2" more bbl length. The Echelon is fatter by a hair. I couldn't say definitively.

@GabylannPR

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for replying 👍 I like both but only can buy one jaja I have the 19x and love the way it shoots but it's time for a new one 😎

Man I was on the hunt for a rival but I got an echelon with a leupold dpp for 775 and I couldn’t be happier with it.

@lurtiskoe

4 ай бұрын

thats a damn good deal with the optic. those are fun optics for the range. but i dunno about carrying it, kinda bulky and not the most smash resistent

"It already broke!"..... I experienced that switching from a Glock to the Canik SFT Pro on the range. I was NOT ready for that Canik trigger.

As I understand it, the canik is a copy of the Walther q5, it is possible to exchange parts between them, including the magazine and barrel.

When the rival first came out you couldn't find any of the 18 round magazines so me being the owner of the sfx prior to that with the 20 round magazines I went and bought some of them which they had plenty in stock and I like them better anyway😊

A little unfair to have a light mounted on the echelon during the recoil test.

@AceRanger20

7 ай бұрын

Came to the comments to say this

Would'nt be the massive light on the front of the springfield that helps your muzzle rise would it? Apples to apples man.

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

Caniks have a bit of hop to them. You can see it in pretty much anytime you see most shooters fire them. You could see it every time I go to the range too, from my Elite SC. You do have a good point tho. Yeah, the extra weight from that light, is gonna affect muzzle rise.

@jefferytillis8309

10 ай бұрын

And the Canik weighs more right out of the box. Not that big of an advantage. The comparison is a little off all the way around. One is a competition gun, one is a duty gun. And he left out one big feature on the Echelon. It is a chassis system. It will have different grip modules available allowing it to be more adaptable to the situation.

You need porting on a 9x19 gun? Are you shooting +P or +P+ ammo? One is a game gun, the other is designed for duty/carry and hopefully SA starts importing a compact slide & grip module so people can carry the SA easier.

@blaise-n-grace2773

6 ай бұрын

The Rival îs not ported. The slide haș lightening cuts, Buț the barrel îs not ported. It îs fluted for aesthetics.

Thig large light is helping with rise as well

For me, who owns both of these weapons, the Canik is definitely a cut above the rest!

G47 Vs Echelon. Good info

@PkwyDrive13

10 ай бұрын

The 47 is a dumb gun. 😂

@RikkiTikkiTavi290

9 ай бұрын

​@@PkwyDrive13why

I’m not a big fan of canik. But I have to admit, they’ve got some GREAT triggers on some of their models.

Springfield 😊

No lights on the Rival? Is that a fair comparison?

Sights - Echelon Capacity - Tie Accuracy - Rival Felt Recoil - Echelon Trigger - RIVAL Slide Serrations - Rival 👀 Frame Texture - Echelon Accessories Included - Rival It's a close one. The echelon look very good and went above and beyond with this gun but I think the Rival is still the better gun. That being said the echelon vs the mete would've been a closer comparison since the rival is a bigger gun

May have been a flatter shooter because of the weight of the surefire on the front.

@jamonlpace

10 ай бұрын

Same thing I thought like add the light and then do the review again

The Rival is basically a longslide upgraded Walther P99 copy with a Walther PPQ trigger it's better than the Springfield in just about every category price and performance the Walther P99 to me was the best striker fired pistol design every made to date and Canik makes a very good copy of it

@SurfaceWarfare007

8 ай бұрын

Canik improved upon the P99 trigger.

@gloriamaletta8667

8 ай бұрын

@@SurfaceWarfare007 l had a Canik SFX have a MC9 and a P99c AS the Canik doesn't feel much different than the P99c does but you have 3 options with the P99c with your first trigger pull double action single action with take up or single action with the triggers slack all ready taken up and if trigger is in this position l think the trigger is slightly better than the Canik and the Walther P99 is second strike capable if the round doesn't go off the Canik will require you to manually cycle the slide to reset trigger

@SurfaceWarfare007

8 ай бұрын

@gloriamaletta8667 The trigger in the Rival is better than the trigger in the SFX. The break is about the same, but the reset is shorter. That's why I said that Canik improved upon the trigger of the P99. The trigger in the Rival is a fast trigger.

@gloriamaletta8667

8 ай бұрын

@@SurfaceWarfare007 you could be right the Rival could have a better trigger than a SFX does or shorter reset they say the same thing that the Walther P99 is good PPQ is better a PDP is better yet don't have a PDP so can't speak for it but l have a PPQ M2 and a GEN2 P99c AS the ergonomics on the PPQ is better l find very very slight differences both have pretty good stock triggers and are very very similar in performance and trigger my Canik MC9 METE has a pretty good stock trigger l don't think it's as good as the Walther P99c or PPQ trigger but it's pretty close its like a micro P99 they claim with every new model the trigger is better than the last model they all have a fair amount of very light take up on first trigger pull with a short reset

@gloriamaletta8667

8 ай бұрын

@@SurfaceWarfare007 check out a KZread short titled SIG P320 MCARBO short stroke trigger this video is only a fully adjustable trigger install they have a spring kit to supposedly lower the trigger pull weight but this gun doesn't have it took out 95 percent of first trigger pull take up breaks like glass at 4 pounds 8 ounces or slightly less reset is longer than your Canik Rival or a Walther PPQ but very good for a striker fired gun l think this P320 MCARBO short stroke trigger is amazing and it installs pretty easy and only 80 dollars it made a huge difference and breaks at 90 degrees not just before the back of the trigger guard breaking at 90 degrees is better for me this trigger took out 95 percent of 1st trigger pull take up put your finger on the trigger your on the wall

I say Canik is better

Very mad that CA does not have Canik on the roster of weapons to sell and buy.

My 1st and last Canik was a piece of crap and was not at all accurate, I do have a Echelon and love it.

@barrygoodson4952

10 ай бұрын

First person I heard of having a lemon

@charleswtuggle

10 ай бұрын

@@barrygoodson4952 I got rid of it fast, Worst firearm I ever owned.

@jefferytillis8309

10 ай бұрын

​@@barrygoodson4952Lots of the MC9s are having issues. Haven't seen a lot of issues in the full size models.

Grip feel is highly personal. Both pistols offer multiple plates. The rear sight plate for the CANIK is fully adjustable. The trigger on the CANIK borders on being the best striker trigger made on a production gun. If anything surpasses it, it would only be a Walther that has a Dynamic Performance trigger. If it was a defensive gun and it could get dirty, etc.... I would go with the SA. For competition, the CANIK. They are all hitting a state of refinement where they're best at specific purposes.

What the price for grip module

@PatriotPaulUSA

10 ай бұрын

I haven't been impressed by grip modules by others, as they can get a bit pricey. I wonder how many they actually sell. I bet its not that many. Probably nice for military or LEO agencies tho. They don't care much about prices.

I have both , my comment about the holster is: if you are left-handed, It is a waste of space. I contacted Canik USA and was told that I couldn't order one with a left-handed holster because they don't make one. EVEN though you can buy one one their website for 19.95. T h at being said. I love both pistols

I have to ask though, am I buying a pistol for the fit, shootability, and accuracy? Or am I buying one for all the extra "stuff" that I'll likely never use. It's nice to have options but usually a person has a "standard" of what they carry. If you stay within the wheelhouse of sights or a dot and or a light, the Echelon wins due to the mounting options of dots and the lower axis along with the slide cuts. Fun review however. It's always nice to get many different opinions & perspectives on a weapon. 👍

My Canik came with a red dot.

Just got my 1st Canik, their new Micro METE MC 9 and I am a new fan. It will even take the same mags as all the other full size doublestack Caniks! However that optic system that Springfield came up with is definitely a huge feature, they seem to have gotten right. But its Canick all day for me. And Canik's triggers are so nice for a factory poly gun. (without me having to go spend 150.00 on another Apex or something.)

Caniks just always look like they recoil more and bounce a lot more than others.. the few I tried were bouncy and it was kind of weird.

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

Yup. They're a bit flippy. Pretty sure that it comes from them being so heavily based off the Walther p99 which was also rather flippy. You could always play around with the tension of different recoil springs to see if that may help curb that some, but if it's a carry gun... I definitely wouldn't recommend tampering with the recoil system. I used to have a HK VP9 and VP9sk, while a friend of mine had the Walther PPQ and subcompact. I also had the P99. We'd often swap, and compare. The Walthers were indeed more flippy. Fantastic guns, but yeah. More at the muzzle.

The Echelon is Beast Mode!!!😃

I don’t know dude…I’m having a tough time putting that Echelon over the Canik…TOUGH

Mounted flashlight equals less muzzle rise.

@PkwyDrive13

10 ай бұрын

Even without the x300 it'd be noticeably less recoil. Caniks are bouncy AF

About to buy an Echelon but dammit I think a Canik might have to be next. That flat trigger just looks too good to be true

Canik 👍👍

A better pistol to compare the Echelon to would have been the Canik Sft pro. It matches up perfectly more so than the Rival. Better optic options for retaining the rear sights, threaded barrel,

It’s the Darkside trigger …just sick!

@AUGUSTUSHEYLIGER-bq7zz

10 ай бұрын

The echelon trigger is not in same category with Darkside …not even close!

@gair1944

10 ай бұрын

@@AUGUSTUSHEYLIGER-bq7zz I agree 100% I handled both today and I also shot a Canik at a local range. The trigger on the Canik is the best striker fired trigger I've ever felt. I think it's better than the Dynamic performance trigger in the PDP Pro SD. If not, easily as good. But the Canik trigger was far superior to the Echelon.

Canik flat faced trigger -excellent . Have the SF version

@rik4369

7 ай бұрын

I got the SFT but found out about the SF later. Biggest mistake. I think the METE /SF is the Canik sweet spot.

I don't see the Staccato?

two things, one if you get the threaded barrel option, that will drastically change the price, and two, how much is that light helping with the muzzle raising vs nothing on the rival, that was an easy add that could have been fixed, take it off or add one to the canik for your video

I have really, really been thinking about getting that flat faced 90 degree trigger for my Elite SC that they put in standard on the Rival. The only thing I don't like about my carry gun is how far back the break is. Something that Canik copied over from the p99 that I never really agreed with. How much I have to bend my finger to get to the break. Always been the type tho, don't mess with your carry gun. It's reliable the way it is. The prosecutor will try to use it against you in court. The more money you put into it, the more you're gonna lose when its confiscated. Yada. Yada. F'king yada. I shot a rental Shield Plus 2.0 about 8 months ago. I gotta say, that trigger is really giving me a growing buyers remorse. Yeah, I could buy the Shield Plus 2.0 and start carrying that, but I had personal issues with my ability to shoot it well. Which I don't have, with my Canik. Should I do it? Should I just go ahead and get the "Enhanced" factory trigger?

@barrygoodson4952

10 ай бұрын

Yep you should get the trigger. I have s Rival and that trigger is Fire 🔥

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

@@barrygoodson4952 Alright Barry you twisted my arm! 😂 😁 Very much appreciate you taking the time to input. I get paid 3 times this week (month! I meant Month!), so I really am thinking that trigger is gonna be on my list 😁

@PatriotPaulUSA

10 ай бұрын

I would buy the trigger.

@user-dq9pq8uv4e

10 ай бұрын

@@PatriotPaulUSA Thanks for the input Paul 👍 Thinking gonna buy it as a birthday present to myself when I get paid this Friday 😁