Kenrith transformation cantrips because it's from Eldraine, the set where green theme was having 3 times the amount of words you would expect on every card

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

That’s SO true 😂

@DABATTLESUIT

Жыл бұрын

It certainly lived up to the story book flavor...

I love how they FINALLY started to leave the card on screen while they continue to talk about it!

I’d love to see the part 2 to this! Can’t believe Nature’s Claim isn’t in the top 30.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Makes us sad 😭

@xirtakeht

Жыл бұрын

Sorry for asking, what top 30 did Nature's Claim not make? (I'de say green swords to plowshares has to be top 30 one for removals isn't it?)

@janesharp697

Жыл бұрын

@@xirtakeht Top 30 most played statistically, not their top 30. It would likely be pretty high in their ranking.

@GeekMAXX

Жыл бұрын

Yes definitely a part 2. Nature's claim is SO underrated! any time im browsing the bargain bin at my LGS and I spot the printings from TSR or worldwake I always snatch them up for cheappp. Also thanks to NN for pointing out how Heliods intervention is 10x better than return to dust, that just won me a game recently.

@ryanmalinowski7529

Жыл бұрын

Facts

Whaaaaat? Plot twist. In my opinion angiushed unmaking is one of the best 3 mana spot removal spells. Definetely would have given it an a

@zackfro

Жыл бұрын

I want to give it an S because of the exile

@joshholmes1372

Жыл бұрын

It's very powerful, but it's cost makes it restrictive. I'd put it in A imo

Krosan Grip may be good against counterspells, but it truly shines against activated abilities. Someone holding the table hostage with Aetherflux Reservoir? Blow it up without fearing the 50 damage. You can break combos and stop other powerful abilities.

It was kind of funny to watch the moxfield logo just creep along, “yeah i’m great spot removal, thank you”

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

It IS S Tier!

Its 100% because its a strixhaven card, but as far as blue spot removal goes resculpt is now the best in slot and hopefully it begins to rise up the edhrec popularity.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we are with you in that!

Since white got Archivist of Oghma and deep gnome Terramancer in baldurs gate, ive been so high on path to exile in white again. Having deep gnomes alone makes path ramp you as well, adding archivist to the mix gets you 1 life and a card as well. 5 mana risk total investment for 1 life, 1 card, and 1 plains ramped has made pathing my opponents creatures feel so good

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Those are two really good points!!

@DctrJimbo

Жыл бұрын

It also turns on white catch up ramp later in the game if that matters

Guys, I don’t watch a lot of MTG content anymore but you guys always make the cut. I feel bad for you that you had to mention not once, but twice, about people having opinions and that it’s okay to disagree… it is only a game after all and these videos are meant for entertainment purposes so the fact that people have obviously been rude to you on several occasions is disappointing to say the least. I wonder if those people would have the mental fortitude to put themselves out there every day the way you guys do. Keep up the fun content! By the way, my dog was pretty disappointed that you forgot to say “happy birthday to all people’s pets” on his birthday…his name is Oliver and he’s pretty cool about it haha.

Binding the Old Gods has been one of my favourite removal spells, flexible removal and non basic ramp

I think you guys under valued Despark. I would definitely put it at least top of C. In mid power levels almost all the threats you want to hit are 4 mana or above. It hits any permanent type so lots of flexibility and is one less than other super flexible spells. Definitely better than the other spells you have at C at least.

I've always liked Vindicate since its first print in Apoc. It was the first spell I ever saw that explicitly said, "destroy target permanent." I run the MH2 alt art version in my Liesa deck because it's on-theme, and because it's part of a "permanent" removal suite.

I would value destroying a land higher when it is tacked on like that to Decimate because it's nice to set back a player who is ramping ahead of the pack.

IMO a good tech to help with chaos warp and wild magic surge is weathered runestone. Both reveal the cards from the library, meaning they’re still in the library, so they won’t enter and stay on the top. Be cautious that the runestone itself doesn’t nonbo with your game plan tho

Wonderful video, looking forward to part 2!

Thanks for keeping a image of the card on screen while discussing it! Makes listening along, opposed to strictly watching, much easier. Thanks, nerds

I’ve been waiting for this video all year I finally got my happy birthday wish, thank you ☺️

Lightning bolt only sees so much play because it's a spellslinger, storm and burn card I think. I don't ever really see this card outside of that. I think when you're already copying/storming/magecrafting/pinging, this card goes up in power tremendously.

@Dark-Pikachu1

Жыл бұрын

No it see play because it was meme on Star city games

Do a part two guys! There are so many popular removal spells left out, and I'd love to hear you talk about them!

I think Terminate and Bedevil have their place in straight Rakdos, but nowhere else. There I like their versality over some monored or monoblack options. I will also play the best monoblack and monored spot removal in the same deck obviously, but they can be part of the suite too.

Krosan grip is just a mono-green card. In the archetype the extra 2 mana doesn’t matter too much, but being able to stop Bolas’ citadel through counter spells is beautiful. I get that it’s almost strictly worse than say nature’s claim but split second matters a lot more when you never have counter spells to back yourself up with.

Definitely do a part 2 of this video!

I can't believe anguished unmaking is a B. For me this is the definition of S tier. It literally is an auto-include in any deck of those colors. It's just better then generous gift and beast within if you're in orzhov colors. I really disagree with penalizing cards for being multicolor

Looking forward to part 2. I seem to remember you guys advocating Soul Shatter as an underrated card and it has performed very well for me. I will be curious to see if that makes the list since you are going off the most played spells for Commander.

Descimate ist fantastic, as soon as you got an "arch enemy from the beginning" at the table. To destroy a mana rock and a land of this player often gives a huge politics advantage.

What about tragic slip? 1 black instant for -1 -1 on a creature but if a creature died, -13 -13. Helps to get rid of indestructible creatures and only one mana if used nicely.

Listened to this while building a mono green deck got to say perfect timing, thanks nerds!

Can't wait to see you guys this weekend.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to meet you!

Part 2 for sure, would definitely like to see your perspectives on more spot removal

Haha I was literally searching for spot removal rankings on this channel yesterday. Good timing! Am I the only one who thinks that Hull Breach is underrated?

Fun topic. I built Kros, Defense Contractor partially around all the spot removals that replace your good stuff with creatures (Beast Within, Angelic Benediction, Pongify, etc). Remove threats, then goad the leftovers

I kept thinking Maelstrom Pulse was going to show up with how many token strats there are now. Ass Trophy and Pulse seem like a good 1-2 punch against Field of the Dead. Great list! Thanks guys

PART 2 PLEASE!!!! You already talked about one of my favorite removal spells Resculpt, but I would love to see where you place my favorite pet removal spell Lethal Scheme.

Hull Breach is something I consider undervalued. Maybe not for the creature-heavy decks (and in RGx, that's a lot of decks), but removing two things for two mana is a very good rate, even at sorcery speed.

@leocoelho12

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I love that one

Glad to see the cards remaining on the side, love the layout!

The lovely tension of the slowly approaching Moxfield logo

Gained a lot of information from this video 👍 appreciate you guys

Vindicate being a sorcery doesn't bother me, it hits any single permanent on the field, I think it's worth only playing it on my turn for that versatility

The problem with bolt is the same as its best feature: it gets to go face. That is extremely good when you have to go 20 to 0 real quick, but when the life total goes to 25 or 30 (or whatever is in brawl now) its usefulness starts to fall, and commander has you face a total of 120 life to whittle down, and 1 mana to deal 1/30 of the total really doesn't cut it anymore!

Excellent list and I don't know what you're talking about you're 100% the authority and Commander.💯

Amber is an S tier creature. Love the videos where she makes an appearance. And when she gets her own neon name tag.

I’ve been dying to see a video talking about this! What suite of removals would you guys run in Mardu colors? Also what do you think about Crackling Doom?

@kingginger3335

Жыл бұрын

I'd run Blasphemous Act, Vanquish the Horde, Ruinous Ultimatum, Anguished Unmaking, Generous Gift and stuff like that

@rafaelcarrilho4151

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@@kingginger3335 Oh, didn’t know wipes were considered removal. Guess I have more removal than I thought lol! How many spot removals do you run?

@ayllipkhieu8659

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Crackling doom isn’t bad but I’d recommend trying Soul Shatter instead. Doesn’t do the shock but it’s easier to cast

@kingginger3335

Жыл бұрын

@@rafaelcarrilho4151 personally I run about 3 or 4. Depends on the deck and colors. But then I try to run a few other board wipes. Also, Crackling Doom is really bad spell

@ecpmath5658

Жыл бұрын

@@ayllipkhieu8659 Also very importantly soul shatter hits creatures (and planeswalkers) with the highest mana value and crackling doom hits creatures with the highest power which is very relevant. Like sometimes crackling doom will just hit some dumb token that doesn't matter while soul shatter will snipe that seedborn muse.

Omg, today is my Birthday! thank you so much!

I would like too see another tier list about those charm cards.... Like abzan charm, rakdos charm etc.

Vindicate depends on the group but mine plays cabal coffers, gaea's cradle and glacial chasm whenever possible so being able to hit problematic lands really makes the difference.

Good video, and what you said about krosan grip got me thinking about priority and how it works. Maybe you guys could do a video about it

Also, I think Krosan Grip's appeal might be cEDH-related - or at the very least, relevant in combo-heavy metas. When someone is about to combo off, Grip might be the only way to stop them.

@winniebowser4447

Жыл бұрын

3 mana in cedh is so unplayable

I've found a pretty underrated yet decent single target removal spell: Vendetta. It's pretty much Snuff Out but you always pay a black for it. I play it in a 5 color deck where I can't reliably have a swamp on the battlefield and it works wonders. Best part is its only 25 cents so it's real cheap for all the budget players out there.

thoughts on druid of purification? it's rec sage, but for 1 more mana, and can get rid of up 4 things on board potentially while also getting rid of your original intended target. of course if everyone chooses the same target to spite you, its a 4 mana rec sage.

@kieranquan6258

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This is point-by-point pretty much exactly what they said in their last video

@clintonbishop4434

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they mentioned it in this video 31:11

@NitpickingNerds

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We are probably higher on that card than anyone else 😂

@daneburke6592

Жыл бұрын

It also doesn’t target so it gets around hexproof and shroud. You also choose upon resolution so they can’t respond to what you choose. Amazing card. I throw it in all green decks

Yeah you guys should do a part 2 right away, cuz Casualties of War should be included. I get massive groans from the table when that card comes out.

Seeing all of this is what keeps my "Redirect" in my decks.

Something about the moxfield guesses, I only take one guess within 30 minutes of the video uploading and as I'm watching the intro. It makes the game more fun to add restrictions like that.

How many single target removal do you guys think should be in a deck?

Krosan grip bad? Split second is one of the best keywords in the format and this is probably the best combo-breaker in EDH

@jtizzle450

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@Dimitri Klockenbring Yes. Mostly of the 2-card infinite combos i can think of involve at least 1 enchantment/artifacts. On top of that...in my opinion most of the strongest cards it can remove without a sweat of a counterspell Ex. Smothering tithe, top, aetherflux res, doubling season, mind over matter.. the list goes on

@Dark-Pikachu1

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@Dimitri Klockenbring but come on it should be on top C though there Sorceries

My daughter was just born today. Thank you for the birthday wishes… Coincidentally I purchased a collectors pack of Baulders gate to open when she was born. Just so happen to pull an Ancient copper dragon so things are looking up lol.

I'd love to see a Removal breakdown with a few of your decks as reference. Disagree with the Krosan Grip. I play in counter HEAVY meta so it's in almost all of my 6-8.5 power decks....along with nature's claim 😃👍

i see chaos warp in S Tier cause the fact that you can cast it on your own permanents to safe them. Or imagin you have Zada on the battlefield with some tokens^^ that is so much fun

How would you rank wild magic surge? A 1 mana cheaper version of chaos warp, although at the cost that it’s more likely to incidentally reward your opponent

I think we need a part 2 of this video. So many cards left behind. Tks for the good videos

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

No problem ❤️❤️❤️

Beezy needs to up his shirt game when the other guy rolls in wearing a crazy shirt like that

I don’t see anyone mentioning it in the comments (sorry if I missed it) but it seems like there’s some audio interference in the video. At first I thought it was my Bluetooth speaker, but it’s still there when I play the video through my phones speaker as well. Just wanted to point it out since this is unique to this video in case there was something with your setup that caused it. Great video as always!

I kind of understand the krosan grip hate, but on another note, as a blue player I’ve lost several games because I couldn’t respond to one of my powerful artifacts or enchantments being removed this way

I’ll just say, when it comes to removal, play to your meta. Tier lists for removal are definitely more controversial because not every playgroup goes against the same threats/win cons. I’m pretty much set in my ways for what older removal, but I might try decimate. Baleful Mastery has really impressed me too.

@vladyslavpokrovskyi6516

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Baleful Mastery is awesome. Instant speed exiling is great. Yeah, it's 4 mana for the whole cost or 2 and card for an opponent, but hey - you're removing the most scary thing for you, so why not. And rarely you can even student cost Tassa's Oracle and deck it in responce)) And underestimating Split Second - hey...you can go infinite with Basalt Monolit on a stack to any other removal, you can infinite mana, life and draw your library with Staff of Domination, Umbral Mantle will provide you infinite mana and enormous dork..in responce! But yeap - your meta is the perfect answer to the card you should play. Just some rules as exiling is better than destroying, lower mana is better than higher and versatility is also important.

Cherries that intro was gold. Perfect timing haha. Bonus Amber appearance So many of the sub b tier work in my meta...but resculpt!?! How did that slip by me

Part 2, I'd like to see where Oko places with his elk ability!

The double masters alt art for terminate is reason enough to run it for me, even if its a card with such limited scope

Very surprised to not see Heliod's Intervention or Nature's Claim in the top 30 wow!

K Grip is absolutely necessary depending on play group. Green isn't feeling the CMC as much as other colors, so the cost isn't nearly a problem.

Krosan Grip and Lightning Bolt are both great in my Krark deck, but that is literally the only deck I have those cards in.

Broken bond is good one that can be kinda backbreaking if it pans out right in the early game

Surprised Abrupt Decay isn't on the list. It's 2 mana and can't be countered. There are lots of amazing 3 mana or less cards on the battlefield to hit with it. Edit: it is B/G, but its a highly played color pair.

I think it would be better, if you do a tier list for each colour and combination. Thats better to overlook.

Due to my LGS meta I evaluate my removal with consideration of if whether or not it can be cast with Gaddock Teeg or Void Winnower in play.

@joshholmes1372

Жыл бұрын

Gross

Also hot take: chaos warp distinctly better than beast within/gen gift. It removes industructible and it has a good chance of getting nothing, a land, or a low cmc permananent. Also they cant recur whats not in their graveyard

@zackfro

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

Glad Joe came around to decimate. I get that all 4 permanents need to be on board, but tell me a time when there aren’t problems of those types around?

One thing you guys always forget is that with those creatures like rec sage you can tutor them up sooop easily in green

25:00 give or take 30 seconds. Damnit I was so close Also, I think it's worth mentioning that if your meta has a lot of graveyard interaction (I run muldrotha, meren and Breya and my buddy runs Karador) all the exile spells get bumped up a whole letter grade IMO, because exiling vs destroying becomes a premium, since destroying just doesn't really do much anymore. Krosan grip is not great. Not even GOOD. but in some metas it is a NECESSARY evil. In particular if your meta has regular artifact based combos you want to disrupt. (isochron scepter shenanigans for example).

I hold kenrith's transformation in a special place in my heart because I've played it on kenrith. It was beautiful

I actually added the 2 new beholders (6cmc) that can deal with enchantments to my mono black deck and as they are reuseable i feel much better dealing with enchantments

What do yall think about bounce spell as a form of removal?

Next video I'd like to see you talk about the multi-target effects like Barrier Breach, Reckless Spite and so on :) Edit: surprised you didn't mention Slaughter Pact

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Anything we didn’t mention was just because it wasn’t in the top 25 on EDHREC :) but generally we don’t play much Slaughter Pact since it’s really three mana

I remember you guys talking about Masked Vandal when Kaldheim was released and I am wondering how you guys thinks it holds up in comparison with Reclamation Sage? (Didn't see it in this video, of course, not a lot of people play it according to EDHREC so wouldn't make sense in a top 25 spot removal tier list). Being one mana cheaper and exiling instead of just destroying but with the clause of needing to exile a creature from your own yard is a really interesting tradeoff that I would love to hear your guys opinion on! Personally I haven't had the opportunity to playtest it as much as I would like but I am wondering if you have had any success with it? If any of you guys have actually gotten around to trying it out ofc :)

@nicolasperrin4518

Жыл бұрын

Personally I love it in tribal decks since it'll synergize with your game plan also (unlike Reclamation sage) and you'd have a lot of creatures anyway. I think the downside is that it's not "free value" when flickered. If you don't need its creature type I'd say Reclamation Sage is still better.

Predicting Moxfield ad at 26:24 It's close enough, I'm counting that as a win!

25:05 Lightning Bolt is a Vintage staple too LMFAO, beast of a card

Need Part 2, for sure! Also, would it be possible to change your TCG Player affiliate link into a TCG Player Buy-This-Deck List (even though it’s not a deck) please? Why? Then it’d be in a list format and people could still arrive at TCGP on your affiliate side. Still why? Because the pictures of the cards are too pretty to remember them all by the time the video is done. Hell yeah, I watch until the end! NN Forever!!

Correction, black cannot answer enchantments and even less so artifacts. While every other color has some form of tutor and creature destruction. It's really annoying.

I’m curious on settle the wreckage. Based on what I’m seeing you probably thinks it’s horrible but it’s a bias bored wipe on your off turn. My friends play aggressive and that’s basically a steal-turn. Yea the crack back could hurt but u get to clean their slate and leave them open first.

Daaaaaamn I really thought that i'd agree with you more, considering that i normally do. But my opinions are way off on this one.is there a way i can do the tierlist myself?

Liked the video, but hope you'll cover other card types than instants/sorceries more extensively. Also, imo, decimate is a bit better than you give it credit for, C-Tier, maybe even B. Definitely as card 90-100, but seldom the card you regret putting into a deck per se. There are just options with more versatility

Beezy really carried this one. It's like Joe Cherries wasn't even there.

Hey, this is my birthday video! I've been waiting for you guys to wish me a happy birthday ❤️

@electrichumbug

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Happy Birthday!

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it! 🥳

would love to hear your thoughts on imprisoned in the moon.

i like to think reality shift more like a cheap chaos warp that gives a 2/2 when it hits a noncreature

Part 2 for suuuuure and maybe 3? Tbh I think removal is a big part of the format and a lot of cards that I play like rescuplt, wild magic surge, song of the dryad, druid of purification, etc (even if they are good) were not even on this list. So lets goo boys for another one!

Does anyone else play councils judgement? I love that card but I feel I’ve got a false impression from the amount of times I cast it when I had a leyline of anticipation and reused it with eternal witness

I love this video! Would force of vigor be S tier?

Hi NNNNNNerds I'm putting togther a Zevlor deck, would any removal spells make it to S tier if they could hit 3 targets instead of 1 for an extra 2 generic mana?

Pt 2 lets goooo!

My guess is 31:26 Update: I was wrong Also, Bedevil may not be too high on power but its art is really good! Put that in your bad cards with good art series perhaps? Also consider Fracture for this!

i honestly might put rapid hybridization/pongify at the top of A or bottom of S. not exiling is a downside, but there aren't many one mana creature removal spells in commander. way better than reality shift and comparable to swords imo.