The dog steals the show.

As others have suggested, the spin wings are much lighter and shedding 10 grains from the back of your arrows will make them act weak. This may explain them hitting right and also the groups opening up. If you can find a wrap of about the same weight as the weight difference between vanes, it can be a handy tool for making a more apples to apples comparison (without cutting shafts) and having to mess with the plunger less. The overall arrow weight will be the same and the dynamic spine will be closer. Sometimes a set up isn’t fussy, but other times shedding 10gn throws things out a lot it seems. Also, I’ve found that contact does not always result in damage. Initial flight of the arrow is often visually poor and short range groups especially suffer. I just had to solve this issue with 4” impulse vanes with a helical. Did them for 3D and indoor and horrendous contact (no damage or sound). Now solved and shoot like a dream. They still impact 4” lower at 18m than my identical weight feather fletched arrows, so I just change my crawl. No idea why they hit lower, but I’m guessing it’s due to different nocks affecting the release from the string. Arrows are more complicated than bows I think...

I am absolutely hammered. I started taking a sip of beer every time the word spinwing was said. Ran slam out of beer! 🍺

Steve, you know how o shoot and tune your arrows so just keep shooting and hope everything works out. Sometimes getting bad results helps you, its all a learning curve. You know how to shoot and you know what you do or don't do wrong so good luck to you as I am sure you will work it out. Alan

Really enjoy your vid's. Good luck with your next comp..

30 odd years ago they still produced light weight rigid vanes, They were beautifully easy to tune and I wish they were still made!

Spinies are used to get that extra distance , but are a lot more critical to shoot due to less drag to stabilize the arrow, since the spin wing are lighter than vanes the dynamic spine of the shaft changes ,perhaps it can be corrected with your plunger stiffness

Good point on the fletching, use what works for you. The pup is cool!

ONLY JUST SEEN THIS VIDEO did you re-tune the bow for the spin wings? more suited to a lighter arrow (easton X10 or ACE.??) I put them on easton ACC groups all over the place or I didn't put them on correct

You've changed the spine with a different length of vane. Bareshaft tune adjusting the plunger.

Hectic comparison, very interesting to watch , great work as always Steven 😜🤙 YEEEEEW #JimiEllisArmy

I had the same problem with my crossbow bolts, what I do now is number them & each bolt has it’s own target & they go in the same holes every time, the ones that are off I re fletch which usually cures the problem if it doesn’t that bolt is usually not straight but you need to give each of your arrows an identity so you know which ones are doing what & then try different things to see what works, plus you’ll know if it’s them or you. Try it & I hope this helps 🤞

Hi Steven. Have you tryed the Swedish vane Bjorn Dragonflight? It is totally awsome. Severe steering and less winddrift! Try them. Best wishes from Sweden.

I used to shoot indoor 300’s with a compound. They used to sell a packet of numbered stickers you put on each arrow. This helped me to know if I had one arrow that just missed the X every time, and it was the same arrow every time, then I just swapped it out. Maybe this will help you figure out which arrows are going where, then inspect those arrows to see what’s up. The guys I shot with who shot recurve’s also used spin wings and I could shoot their recurve and could shoot 5 bulls every time and 2 would be X’s. They were shocked that I could shoot their equipment and outshoot them. I saw no odd flights from the spin wings and they just stuck them on by hand when one came loose. Maybe try paper tuning and see if the ones with the spin wing banes tear an odd hole in the paper.

Sweet dog what kind is it. It’s adorable.

I love your videos and presentation and believe you are an excellent shot. You know everything about archery. And this happens to you? I have seen this with experts in other domains and they needed to go back to basics to come up with a solution. All of them, all the basics.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks - I have along way to go with the recurve. Muscles take along time to build. But you just stick at it and hope that you will get there.

Did you retune for the weight difference of the different vanes? Dynamic spine will be different for each setup i suppose.

@dylanm3519

5 жыл бұрын

Hammer meet nail... precisely.

@zoltanbinder7090

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I would say this too, the arrows with spin wings are gone to the left, which means that the arrow stiffened up by the lack of weight

@johnarcher9480

2 жыл бұрын

@@zoltanbinder7090 They would actually act as though they had less spine. Less weight, means more energy to push the arrow...imagine increasing poundage to equal the difference in speed, Weight at the BACK of the arrow increases effective spine.

Maybe clearance issue? I need to turn my nocks a litle bit (looks like Y on the string). Makes my groups much better also at short distance.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

6 жыл бұрын

I did move nocks and got the same results. I have no contact on the spin wings or on the bow.

Have you tried feathers?

well it's been nearly 3 years and am watching this vid while deciding to switch to xs wings. tbh my coaches and friends tell me never to bring new equipment in a tournament. now i can understand why. you're used to a particular type of setup. don't change it one day before a tournament.

Hi Steven ,Sir, just watched again and listening , seeing the results behind, arrows towards the right with spin wings with each end , obviously you have tried straight vanes to be using them with success , how did you come to that conclusion with straight vanes ? perhaps you have to go through that with spin wings, again you probably are doing that right now, basics say to weak a spine, that's what everyone says to me lol as well, I understand your dilema, as you mentioned longer spin wings, different spined arrows , different point weights , even maybe a different type or make of spin wing might assist, longer shorter thinner fatter plastic spin wings even, your far more experienced than myself and have probably tried all I have mentioned, not what any one wants to hear going back to Basic's , keep the Victory arrows, changes made, one at a time, record the changes made etc, i can only say what i have learned over so many years building and being involved with motorcycle racing, what works what doesn't takes time, hitting the wall as they call it is so frustrating, I was told once which stuck in my mind is , win at the slowest possible speed, I am at that point with myself instinctive distances , great at 30 yrds fairly rubbish at anything longer with woodies lol, hope you find and resolve everything

I shoot flex fletch 185s and never have had an issue short or long distance

Good stuff, as usual, and love the puppy.

Have you tried the smaller vanes . I used to get contact with my rest with the larger vane as the adhesive base was bigger.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

6 жыл бұрын

I have tried heaps of vanes. Most are similar. The 3" vs 4" Impulse was interesting. But I find most vans produced the same result. The vanes should be clear of the riser if tuned correctly.

@brendagodfrey5819

6 жыл бұрын

What make of spin wings are you using. They seem quite long inch and three quarters were the size we had . People in the U.K. Seem to like the gas pro vanes . I realised that the market has improved remarkably since I shot recurve , but your arrow diameter looked small to the size of fletching . Still think you could be having contact with your arrow with the rest .

I think shaft tuning might help.

Sir, Greetings from the REAL WELSH WALES, LOL I'm only a year long archer and you know more than I'll probably ever know ( i am retiring next mth lol, ) still no stopping me with my Red Stag Samick recurve and 5/16 woodies yet, I have been watching and enjoying all your videos and learning so much, now recently you showed us all, the new Victory arrows, and how you liked them, so my next question, somthing to maybe think about , have you used the victories in competition with normal vanes ? secondly have used the spin wings on your normal arrows ? lastly have you just gone and used the victories with spin wings prior the your competition? without hours of setting up all the combinations ? so just a thought in my short and little experience , keep the vid coming I need all the help I can get lol

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

6 жыл бұрын

Yes - I have been shooting since 12. I have shot great with the Victory arrows. The Victory arrows are lasting really well. I have shot spin wings since I was 20 on numerous arrows. Often it is hard to tell when you don't get results. Yes I changed to spin wings the week before the outdoor event. I did use Spin Wings and Victory when I won the State Clout. But even then I only setup those arrows a week before the event. Most of my time is spent shooting arrows. I am testing at the moment 110 vs 120 grain points and getting very similar results.

With as much as you shoot and test, I am surprised you do not use a high speed camera to monitor yourself and the arrows in flight.

I'm thinking something must be missing here. Possibly a change in spine, not sure. Too many archers have won gold with spin wings for them to be the issue. You may need to play with the angle or point wieght. I've even used them to great effect with compounds. I have never had anything shoot BETTER (though some vanes seem pretty much just as good)

Ur dog is so cute !!!

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

5 жыл бұрын

I think so, she is very loving to.

@RugerNuger

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale loving the vids 2 keep it up

Your dog is so cute

I think spin wings work better on small diameter arrow shafts.

Hmm, there is a middle ground - plastics on an offset. My next batch of arrows I make up will be 2 deg offset. Nice dog btw!

I tried spin wings, spent hours measuring and marking, then sticking the bloody things on, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with em !! Took me an hour to take them off and re-fletch with plastic vanes and my grouping shrunk as my scores went up . The remaining spin wings went straight into the bin where, in my opinion, where they belong

Everything else consistent, the difference is weight. Lighter vanes makes the same arrow weaker and so they break slightly to the right. Test this w/ some bare shafts that will go even further to the right. You could salvage the setup by dropping the point weight a little bit w/ bare shaft tuning or paper tuning...

Try curly vanes!Dont go for holographic cos they are a thicker vane:)I suggest dayglow as theyre bright lol also they are a lot more durable! Thanks anyway!

Are you sure that you don't have fletching contact??

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

6 жыл бұрын

Yep the spin wings are fine, no marks on spin wings or bow. I have rotated spin wings. My fletching is just bad I think from the spin wings. I have had good results before. But the purpose of the video is to test things before blindly jumping in. So because everyone does something does not mean it works for you.

Going through my head: Spin wings are lighter --> Arrows will behave less stiff (given the point have same weight and same poundage) ---> hence slight deviation to right/high?

@johnarcher9480

2 жыл бұрын

The weight savings are at the wrong end of the arrow. The energy used to push heavier vanes is now available to push the arrow faster. Increase your draw weight to match the speed increase from spin wings and you have the same effect on spine (well, extremely close to the same.)

Well said, Steven. Often believed the "sheep" mentality is the reason most recurvers fletch with "spin" style vanes. & we know the maintenance on them is horrendous compared to regular vanes. I'd be using a Bohning vane if I shot recurve. They fly & group well, & of course stick like the proverbial with the right adhesive.

Recently switched to the AAE ""WAV" vanes. I don't shoot well enough to say they are better than spin wings, but I see no performance issues at distance, and they are lot more durable. Also so much easier, and faster to install. Won't be going back to spins.

Try using Aerovane brother

I feel the 40mm spin wings are too small.

I think the problem really is, nobody wants to admit that arrows were virtually perfected about 30 years ago, I couldn't be bothered with spin wings..

Release, pull through if you’re not already. Don’t just open your grip on the string. I am sure you know, but you mentioned your release, so.

love the dog

Steve go shoot the plastic vanes ....at 50 70 90 meters you'll see....... i think spin wings are more a bragging thing then the best thing ........ not every body shoots spinwings Kaminski, Ellison and Valladont do not always shoot spin wings so .....do your own tests for YOU....cheers bud...

you keep trying to fix things that arn't broken ! The arrow tail is too light. Move your FOC with bigger point !! You are not having any fun doing what you love, quit worrying so much. You try to over analyze everything!

@dylanm3519

5 жыл бұрын

He would need to actually lessen his point weight to stiffen the arrow. He's weakened the spine with the spin wings.