imagine a movie directed by lindybeige

@osinevan

8 жыл бұрын

+Peacedust inc. Would be awesome if the script script was written accordingly to be a more less realistic a setting.

@TheTeddyGuy28

8 жыл бұрын

+Peacedust inc. I imagine lots of berserkers dying horribly in the opening act.

@MrTohawk

8 жыл бұрын

I would imagine it to be a movie with all the things he points out to be wrong in it. A big inside joke for all of us.

@starvingpoet81

8 жыл бұрын

+Peacedust inc. The hero would be dual-wielding pommels.

@TheTeddyGuy28

8 жыл бұрын

Starving Poet Lindy's directing this one, not Skall.

I went to a puppet show once and walked out in disgust after 5 minutes. I could clearly see the strings.

@lindybeige

8 жыл бұрын

+Horatio Moonraker LOL!

@needaname1496

7 жыл бұрын

underrated comment

@asylumskp4391

3 жыл бұрын

Someone explain pls

@luiscrakson

Жыл бұрын

@@lindybeige Schindlers List did this sound delay quite good.

Call your rant videos "Beige against the machine" you are welcome

@ThunderChunky101

8 жыл бұрын

I concur wholeheartedly! Hope he reads the comments!

@HeathLedgersChemist

8 жыл бұрын

+Willfilms1 My old boat was named Rage Against the Marine...

@ThunderChunky101

8 жыл бұрын

HeathLedgersChemist​ That's so... So fucking terrible! I *LOVE* it! My god, you've hit a new level of cheese. You know what happens if you keep heading south? You cross the pole and and up heading north again. That's the best "so bad it's good" I've seen in years. And I genuinely have a cousin who has a pet turtle called mi-shell! No shit. 100 Internet points to that man! 

@ThunderChunky101

8 жыл бұрын

Oh... And my old uncle's band was called "Boyzold"! You know... Like Boyzone!  But... Older.

@Paelolithic

6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't Manzone be a better name?

The morale of this video is: If you hear the shot don't worry, the sniper missed you!

@DracoLogan24

8 жыл бұрын

+Jeff Cyr I would really suggest worrying very quickly to the soundest nearby cover myself.

@fatsamcastle

8 жыл бұрын

unless he is using sub sonic rounds.

@Askorti

8 жыл бұрын

+fatsamcastle Which a sniper most likely wouldn't, because they would make.. sniping... that much more difficult.

@Jacob-yg7lz

8 жыл бұрын

+AVMUploads Except for the fact that you could probably tell by that point if you've been shot.

@0hn0haha

8 жыл бұрын

+Jeff Cyr I'm sure you meant moral, but my morale is sure raised by that thought as well.

For a film getting it right, what about Master and commander, 1st scene with the eerie silent flash of lights in the fog before the woosh of cannon balls.

You are completely correct, but they do it BECAUSE MOVIE. :) However, one could argue that the position of the observer is not fixed to the point of view of the camer but rather that the observer is "omnipresent" and follows both the sniper and the target simultaneously. Otherwise, if you for example show a sniper shooting and then cut to the target, you should technically hear the "bang" twice, which would be just confusing for the audience.

@lutze5086

8 жыл бұрын

I know right

@ED-es2qv

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@thejcquartet6943

3 жыл бұрын

But sound in movies is nearly always tied to the current shot in question, from the perspective of the characters we see in it. We hear, to a very large extent, what the characters actually would hear. I would say the reason for unrealistic sound effects is just corner-cutting by the filmmakers, or even ignorance.

@SirNarax

3 жыл бұрын

@@thejcquartet6943 It would not be difficult to delay a sound and the artists that create the movies and effects are on the whole pretty passionate. It is more often then not a contentious discussion to make things unrealistic so that the audience things it is realistic. Not because they think the audience is stupid but simply because anytime the audience is pulled out for even a moment, you've done your job bad. Humans don't think scientifically, most people know that sound isn't instant but when they hear it happen it can be jarring or confusing. You can intentionally use the speed of sound to disorient the audience if that is the sort of effect from the scene but you can't do that all the time. When you make movies you need to account for the flaws in your species very bodies. It isn't about intellect or corner cutting. Other times it is just habit. You are a sound designer for so many years you see the fireball, you put the bang on top. You wouldn't do it any other way normally so people just stop thinking about it.

"Metric is so convenient isn't it" From an Engineer's point of view yes it is.

@StereoBucket

8 жыл бұрын

I can confirm this.

@Gh0stClown

8 жыл бұрын

+Nine_inch_Snails From a Physicist's point of view as well.

@firudu

8 жыл бұрын

i'd get crazy trying to figure out how long 150*3/8 inches are in yards. as a metric user it almost feels like no one ever converts or multiplies any numbers in britain or the us

@Gh0stClown

8 жыл бұрын

firudu Most people in the UK can use both metric and imperial.

@firecage7925

8 жыл бұрын

+Penispumpenshop24.at I would say though that in everyday usage, Metric is a bit better, due to simplicity. Like a 1000 miligrams = 1 gram. Whereas with the Imperial system, it is kind of inefficient even for everyday use.

The first six seconds of this are now my favorite description of movies.

@noddwyd

8 жыл бұрын

+violacrb True. It reminded me of way back when I was a kid and my grandpa complained that tv and movies no longer made it easy to pick out the good guys and bad guys just by what they were wearing (i.e. white hat/black hat, etc.) and I think I looked at him like he was crazy at the time, but really I was just dumbfounded at the idea that this might be a necessary cue instead of just a joke.

@FlubberFrosch

Ай бұрын

That one note in Rings of Power: Mordor (in case people don‘t know the one and only volcano of Middle Earth is located within Mordor)

Sound travels 500m/s in Cork? No wonder I couldn't understand a thing they were saying over there.

@Jake0997

3 жыл бұрын

This is the funniest God damn thing I have read in a month

@rhythmandblues_alibi

Жыл бұрын

😆😆😆😆🙌

Two crows are flying at sub-sonic speed: "Wall ahead!" "I see!" **splat****splat** Two crows are flying at super-sonic speed: "Wall ahead!" **splat** "I see!" **splat** Two crows are flying at hyper-sonic speed: **SPLAT****SPLAT** "i see!" "Wall ahead!" I do not know why, but when i've read this anecdote for the first time it made me laugh a lot.

@4nd3rzzon

4 жыл бұрын

It made me laugh to

@dELTA13579111315

4 жыл бұрын

Same here lol

@madstofting9852

4 жыл бұрын

At first, I read it as cows instead of crows, made me really confused.

@appa609

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it works. There should be no difference in order between the "supersonic" and "hypersonic" case.

@426shelby426

3 жыл бұрын

@@madstofting9852 i Read cow to be I was like we have flying pig so why not cow

Classic. Used to guess the distance of thunderstorms as a kid. See the flash, count the seconds until you hear the thunder, divide it by 3 (343m/s, 1/3 of a km) and you got the distance in kilometers. Now in imperial: 375 yards per second, 1 mile is 1760 yards (eh, yeah), so that's a mile at 4,7 seconds. So devide your counting by 4,7. It's just that the relations between the units are completly random, what makes it over-complicated. Not very convenient, isn't it?

@Birdblizzard

8 жыл бұрын

Knowing this was *very* useful growing up in an old house since you would have to unplug all electronic devices to not risk them burning out if the lightning were to hit a power line too close to you.

@Islacrusez

8 жыл бұрын

+Birdblizzard Except that it's wrong. If you're close enough to hear thunder, you're close enough to be hit by lightning.

@Dragon.7722

8 жыл бұрын

Islacrusez Well, no. Not really. You can hear the thunders of thunderstorms miles (heh) away, before the storm even reaches your location.

@Islacrusez

8 жыл бұрын

Dragon7722 That's the problem, lightning can strike miles away. Don't believe me? Here's the NOAA advisory: www.crh.noaa.gov/Image/gid/WCM/safety/lightning.pdf Relevant information: Lightning can strike as far as 10 to 15 miles from the area where it is raining. That's about the distance you can hear thunder. If you can hear thunder, you are within striking distance. Seek safe shelter immediately.

@RedSeal46

8 жыл бұрын

+Islacrusez I read 30 miles. Don't recall where.

Arma is the only video game I know of in which this is done realistically.

@denisl2760

8 жыл бұрын

+не русский флаг перепутал?

@CameronJamesH

8 жыл бұрын

+не русский World of Tanks' new sound engine simulates the speed of sound.

@zoeychevalier5132

8 жыл бұрын

+не русский Actually Battlefield 3 incorporated the speed of sound with explosions, but not for other sounds like in ARMA.

@SirStevetheCreep

8 жыл бұрын

+Zoey Chevalier ARMA also simulates the bullets. So normal bullets come with a crack while subsonic ammunition doesn´t have that. But they are slower and therefore have greater bulletdrop hence less range

@zoeychevalier5132

8 жыл бұрын

SirStevetheCreep Right, I've played ARMA II and III, they definitely put more into the sound design.

Saving Private Ryan even calls this out with their sniper scene; that one guy was shot and on the ground before you heard the bang (as even stated by their own sniper).

@Argoon1981

5 жыл бұрын

Yes like in all movies facts only matter when they suit the story.

@streetfighter2471

Жыл бұрын

@@Argoon1981 because there comes a point where you're just being a cunt about it

@Trepur349

11 ай бұрын

saving private ryan to my knowledge is the only movie that gets it wrong, but in the wrong direction Based on how far that sniper was away it should have taken 1.2 seconds for us to hear the gunshot, we heard it after 3 seconds

Very interesting video, thank you for sharing :)

Metric is convenient, but time units fuck with everyone equally.

Wait, you took a ronded estimate of the speed of sound in feet, and then took a dig a the metric system when the resulting number converted to meters wasnt very clean? Kinda dishonest. How about you took the rounded metric number, 340/s, which would give you 13,6 meters per frame, converted to feet it would be 44,6194226 feet feet per frame.

@PrimordialNightmare

8 жыл бұрын

+MaMastoast Nice.

@xlordchaos

8 жыл бұрын

+MaMastoast my thoughts exactly - have an upvote!

@fedemotta3

8 жыл бұрын

+MaMastoast He's british, what would you expect? (jk, nothing against brits)

@eyegrinder94

8 жыл бұрын

Stop. You're trying to reason with a fan of the imperial system, your efforts are being wasted.

@siestatime4638

8 жыл бұрын

+MaMastoast Precise conversion in either direction is messy. If you want easily handled measurements, don't convert, just stick with whatever system you actually used for the initial measurement (and, yes, LB has a prejudice here).

Oh! This is most useful information at the tail end there! Speed of sound in chloroform is 987 m/s! I'll remember that on my next date. I hope it will knock the girl off her feet in an instant!

@T0rrente18

8 жыл бұрын

She won't definitely hear that coming

Last episode of better call saul featured a gunshot with accurate sound delay. I just got home and I've spent my drunk evening thinking about that. Then I enter youtube and you've made a video about it!

@Tallmios

8 жыл бұрын

+Marcelo Henrique I replayed the scene in Breaking Bad where a sniper's shooting at Gus's men. First you hear the impact with the woosh, then the sonic boom and the bang is the last in order. Incredible how they paid attention to such small details.

@stefanomorandi7150

8 жыл бұрын

+Tallmios i just checked, they really did!

Whenever I see real footage of explosions, the sound delay gives me chills! It's so much more suspenseful and it gives you a sense of how big the explosion really was. I think it would be quite a revolution in film making if they capitalized on that effect.

I've got a good one: medieval warrior physiques. They're obviously portrayed by bodybuilders in movies these days, but back then they didn't have modern gym equipment, nutrition, growth hormone, etc. I've always wondered this, and I hope you could do a video on it! Thanks!

the speed of sound through chloroform doesn't matter because no one will hear you scream?

Arma is a great game because the audio and visuals are very realistic for a video game

Loving this 'regular uploads' business, it's fantastic to see more of your videos, Lindybeige.

Thanks mate that extra frame and a half really made the scene go from good to great!

To put into perspective how fast light is compared to sound: if there was sea-level air all the way to the moon, and someone set off an extremely loud explosion there (maybe using a parabolic dish to get more of the sound heading towards you), it would take about a second before you saw the flash, but you'd only hear the sound (assuming it was still audible) a week and a half later...

@Albert4H

8 жыл бұрын

+rmsgrey I"m not going to check your math; but that's a very cool illustration. I hope I remember it if my youngest kids or grandkids ever ask.

@SgtKOnyx

5 жыл бұрын

@@Albert4H passes the smell test

@Argoon1981

5 жыл бұрын

Light speed is ~300 000 km/s (in vacuum), the speed of sound (in dry air) is ~0.345km/s, so yes it would take a huge amount of time before you heard the sound of a massive explosion on Earth in the Moon, if sound was capable to travel in a vacuum, that it not and thanks goodness that it can't, because if it could travel in vacuum the noise from the Sun would kill us. Btw even tho light speed is so fast, it takes ~2.7 seconds for light (or radio signals) to reach the Moon from Earth and vice versa, so you would only see the explosion flash in the Moon 2.7 seconds after it happened not one second.

ha! Metric claims another convert (C'mon guys, it's a pun)

@speedy01247

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan Oliveira since when is metric a religion?

@ThiLI0n

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan Oliveira That was sarcasm though

@themightychickens

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan Oliveira Are you daft? The bugger was making fun of our glorious metric system, not praising it.

@arthurdent6256

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan Oliveira That band fucking sucks.

@SmigGames

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan Oliveira Unless you're being sarcastic, then you missed his sarcasm. This is why machines will always struggle with sarcasm.

I admire how your videos are still absolutely top notch with the high output you these days!

thanks i really loved the addition of the speed of sound in other media. keep it up, i'm liking the video output so far.

I forgot to turn on my speakers and waited for a joke for the first 4 seconds.

In Lindybeige's KZread channel no one can hear you scream without Lindy making a video on how the sound you made is wrong.

this is something I do in my editing when making my cartoons (if I have a long enough running shot) I'll delay far sounds. It really adds to the atmosphere :D. great video btw :D

Please more videos like this Lindy. ❤

When I was a young lad there was a sniper movie, "Day of the Jackal". In one scene, the sniper is taking shots at the intended target. In the scope you see the target moving about normally while he is being shot at. I, not understanding physics yet, was screaming at the TV all the while little plumes of smoke (indicating near misses on the ground) are seen. My dad had to come in and explain that the target was not being brave or stupid but rather was completely unaware of the danger. Many years later I was exposed to the remake. It was interesting how the two movies utilized sound The first movie used silence very effectively. The second was a Hollywood blockbuster.

@nicoepsilon0

8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Barker Even if the rifle is far away and uses a suppressor, you would still hear a very loud bang as the bullet fly next to your head. The sound the bullet makes is very similar to a whip crack (because the tip of the whip is also supersonic), so it is very loud and you cannot be unaware of it

my professor at the university always talked in sinister manner voice and with narrowed eyes, hm...

@lindybeige

8 жыл бұрын

+Дмитрий Иванов Was his background music dark and brooding?

@decavalerie6484

8 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige not really, there was no music at all. Maybe he was bad guy from old times, before sounds in movies

@ergbudster3333

8 жыл бұрын

+Дмитрий Иванов In which case he could have brought in an appropriate pianist. Ha ha! In some of our lecture halls at the University there are ooooold pianos suitable to the task.. but so far no one has ever played them (except me.)

Great videos Lindybeige! Keep 'em coming =)

I remember there was a scene in True Grit (the 2010 version with Jeff Bridges) where one of them fires his rifle into a valley in which you hear the initial shot and then the echo a few seconds after it hit its target. It was kind of that scene that made me realize how sound would work in those situations.

One movie that got it right was "Quigley Down Under". In fact the bad guys used the sound delay to figure out the distance to the good guy sniping at them.

@IdleDrifter

8 жыл бұрын

+bobobobinalong I think because of the ammunition and the range. The bullet had become subsonic by the time it had reached it's target. So there was no sonic crack.

@LaughingOwlKiller

8 жыл бұрын

+bobobobinalong Was going to point that out as well. Hell of a film.

in the new "Better Call Saul" episode the gun shot is delayed because of the distance :)

Fascinating video, once again Lloyd.

I love your videos, very informative. keep it up. ☺

4:08 I don't know about you guys but I find the silent flashes and the big growling that comes afterwards way more intimidating. Just step outside or open a window in a thunderstorm in summer and you just know what I mean! It is so RAD!.

Yeah, this effect is perfectly replicated in game ARMA 3, you can hear the sound crack, the sound travels at reaslistic speeds, really gives you idea how does it sound. Interesting list of sound speed thru various materials Lindybeige, but to me the far most interesting is water :)

@Elmarby

8 жыл бұрын

+Mikee CZ Another game that does it correctly is the Combat Mission series, from CM:Shock Force onwards. A pretty legit wargame, btw. Strangely, in those games I found it a lot harder to accept what I was seeing/hearing, as it is a 3D wargame where you can move your camera freely so unlike Arma3 no avatar to channel your expectations of what you should be hearing when. So games had me trained to accept sound to be instantaneously and to find realistically modelled sound to be strange. Thunder storms and firework shows were apparently insufficiently common to train my expectation level in games.

Especially if it hits you absolutely killed me. :D Great video mate. Keep it up.

Lindy, you probably have some of the most creative and original content on this site.

IIRC you can hear a bullet exactly at the time it whizzes past your ear. That is a different sound wave than the sound of the bullet leaving the barrel. My dad, an artillery commander always told me if you hear the boom you know they didn't hit you. It's when you hear one whistling that you know they were close.

By definition, an explosive fireball travels at more than the speed of sound; yet routinely in movies the protagonist outruns the flames.

@Sommer57

8 жыл бұрын

+halnywiatr Not to mention the fact that convection doesn't seem to exist in movies.

@businessproyects2615

4 жыл бұрын

And many times there should't be a long lasting fireball in the first place, i call movie explotions 'slow explotions'

Bullet noise is an interesting subject. As an LEO I get to shoot a few different firearms. On an MP-5 "German submachine gun" with suppressor, supersonic 9mm bullets actually make a small sonic boom as they exit the suppressor. Then another sonic boom as they go subsonic a few hundred feet away. Military style ball ammo tends to have a hollow base and these style bullets actually have a high pitched whistle as they fly down range. Since almost all military 9mm ball ammo is hollow base and supersonic you get both and it's not very quiet.

Awesome sound-effects of the sound-effect there "Lind"... I'm impressed. (no sarcasm)

Good guys: M16 Bad guys: ak-47

Speed of Lindybeige in movies

People seem to often forget that metric can be used for rough estimates too. I wouldn't say "move 1 meter and 15 centimeters to the right". It would be "move about a meter to the right". The fact that metric is more accurate doesn't mean you always have to use all that accuracy. Anyway what makes metric "better" for a regular person isn't even the accuracy, but the fact that it's easier to learn. Everything is in tens. The only thing you need to learn is the name of that exact number of zeroes. In day-to-day life you don't even need more than kilometer, meter, centimeter and millimeter (it's debatable do you actually need to use millimeter that often). Those who have already learned the imperial system changing to metric wouldn't have any benefits, unless you need the precision in your work or something. Those who are learning their first system would benefit from metric because it's just easier to remember that one meter is 10dm is 100cm is 1000mm and it just always is that difference of ten. It never changes so you just need to learn tens :)

One of my favourite films is Master and Commander, and there's a great scene where the French fire upon the Surprise and they do account for the sound not reaching the ship until much later. Perhaps you know the scene I'm talking about. Anyway it really improves the whole scene a great deal. This is one of my own pet peeves too. Good work Lindybeige, as always.

Lightning has to be the wordt offender in movies. The flash and the bang at the same time means you/your car/your house just got struck by lightning! You wouldn't be having a normal conversation just after..

@JustGrowingUp84

8 жыл бұрын

+akumabito2008 Yes! That was the first thing I thought when I read the title of this video!

Being raised by a gunsmith and competitive shooter has ruined many movies for me. By the way, if you ever watch "Quigly Down Under" they actually take the speed of sound into account. A round lands and they wait for the report, then use that estimation to determine how far away roughly the rifleman is.

@andreatomassini202

8 жыл бұрын

+David Stewart yes, probably one of the very few movies that take this into account..I was like 12yo when I saw it first time, and when the bad guy riding a horse gets hit and you hear the bang later, well... I was so excited that finally someone got it right that I talked about it for a couple of weeks

@RedSeal46

8 жыл бұрын

+David Stewart Great movie. The gunfight between Tom Selleck and Alan Rickman near the end was especially cool.

@somosUS

5 жыл бұрын

It's what immediately came to mind for me, too. I don't know how much else of the marksmanship stuff in the movie is accurate, but that was certainly gratifying. And, frankly, exciting. That's something I don't get. Seeing a huge explosion at a distance, then actually hearing it several seconds later would make it seem even more impressive, to me. It depends on the situation, to be sure, but it can go a long way to setting a specific tone. A movie example of this is is the original Red Dawn, when there's an explosion in the background during a scene which you see, but to which no-one reacts until the sound reaches them. It added a surreal, menacing feel, seeing it, and not hearing it immediately..

I worked at Veterans Affairs and I recall a veteran of Tobruk describing to me his first encounter with an 88. He said that suddenly a neat 88mm hole was punched in the wall above and to his left (the round continued down range with a clump of cement on it's nose mad as a hornet) followed by a sound "like a Daschund vomiting" and what looked like the rooster tail wake of a racing boat of sand some 12 feet high coming straight in and slapping against the wall. The 88 was more than three times the distance that he could return fire with his 6 pounder anti-tank gun.

The most I’ve ever experienced the speed of sound being slower than light was when I was in marching band, playing a song where the crowd would clap along. The director always had to tell us that we shouldn’t listen to the crowd’s clapping, as if we did, we’d be off time.

as a Child I learned that when you see the lightning, Count until you hear the thunder, multiply by Three and get the how many hundred meters the thunderstorm is. it´s a good rule of thumb.

@speedy01247

8 жыл бұрын

+Exploatores in america 5 seconds equals 1 mile for sound, so we just count until the sound hits us, divide by five and that is how many miles it is away.

@ernavill3261

8 жыл бұрын

Which you can see works with the fireworks clip :P

@4nd3rzzon

4 жыл бұрын

I know this is a very old comment but dont you mean divide by three as in if you count to 3 its 1 km away

I understand the complaint when it comes to long distance things, but I don't think it's really that important if the gunshot is nearby in terms of movie editing. It's the kind of think that only somebody who is specifically looking for that detail will notice, everyone else will be paying attention to what is actually going on in the scene.

Phew. Just barely got this one posted on Friday Lloyd!

There are a few movies that get it right. For example, Quigley Down Under starring Tom Selleck. It's a western set in Australia. He plays a sharpshooter from the America who's been hired by an Australian rancher, who's played by the late Allen Rickman. Tom Selleck's character Matthew Quigley, fires a Sharps rifle. The movie shows a fairly realistic way, how skilled he is with this rifle. He's taking out bad guys from at least a mile away. In the movie you'll see the bad guy get hit, then a few seconds later you hear the sound of the rifle. There's a scene where he's demonstrating his skill to the rancher, by shooting a bucket that's been placed very far away. There's a shot in the scene, where you're looking at the bucket, and you're able to see where Quigley is standing at least a mile away. You see the muzzle flash from the rifle, a second later the bullet hits the bucket, and then a second after that you hear gun shot. There are quite a few scenes where they made a bit too unrealistic. Like men being sent flying when getting shot, but other than that. The movie is fairly accurate on how long range shooting works. It's great movie, if you haven't seen it. I recommend that you do.

Why do u have jeor Mormont on ur wall?

@lindybeige

8 жыл бұрын

+FinnGamingChannel Protection.

@Midhav0

8 жыл бұрын

+Lindybeige From Karl Fookin' Tanner of Gin Alley or Rast? Cuz he won't be any good even against that enemy level.

@benbarker8154

8 жыл бұрын

+FinnGamingChannel He has a video explaining that he was on the set and was asked for his opinion of the props.

@DesolationAngel101

8 жыл бұрын

It's his job to watch on the wall.

@ericpigeon6179

8 жыл бұрын

+FinnGamingChannel Begtter yet, why is the youtube play award not on his wall...

The speed of sound in chloroform. Is that in pure chloroform or in chloroform drenched pieces of cloth? I need to know for... reasons.

I really like that you provided video footage with the slight delay in audio. Even if they don't utilize the sonic boom you mentioned earlier I think that the delay between seeing the effect and hearing the sound actually enhances the film watching experience, it's a lot scarier especially when the camera is positioned from the point of view of the target.

I just love the feeling of distance you get in games like ArmA where they actually modeled the speed of sound (and the Doppler effect too!) Hearing the crack first and the echoing bang some time later just perfectly states that there is someone aiming at you 1500 meters away. And the same thing with tanks... well, if you see the flash, it is already too late.

340.3m/s @ 25fps = 13.6m/frame...or 44ft 7.43304in. Metric is only "inconvenient" if you take a nice round Imperial number and then convert it to Metric with way too many significant digits. Except of course the exact same thing happens when you convert a nice round Metric number to Imperial >:I It's not a valid criticism of either system of measurements. Imperial really needs a third, smaller unit though. I propose the _snippet_, which shall be one seventy-third of a foot (or approximately 0,16434 inches), based on the amount by which an average medieval frenchman's fingernails were said to grow in a week. You know, to maintain Imperial's wonderful human touch.

4:28 Oh really? METRIC is inconvenient? Not the system based off the length of a grain of barley? Minor grievance aside, really good video!

@quin2910

8 жыл бұрын

ikr I saw a video one time that had all the different distances (feet, inches, ect) and there are like 100 that I doubt anyone has heard of. Anyway if you are going to round then change to metric of co its it will be inconvenient.

@MagickJam

8 жыл бұрын

+Crispy Bacon he said "metric is SO convienient"

@crispybacon4240

8 жыл бұрын

***** Sarcasm, obviously.

@MagickJam

8 жыл бұрын

+Crispy Bacon it didn't sound like sarcasm to be honest but yeah maybe...

@Panicintrinsica

8 жыл бұрын

+MagickJam Fairly sure it's sarcasm. He’s saying each frame is 45 feet (a whole number) or 13.716 meters (an annoying fraction). Though he’s being highly unfair in this instance for multiple reasons. To start with, the speed of sound is variable depending on what it’s passing through and is not consistent in air (humidity and altitude, temperature and other particular content can affect it). He’s working under the assumption of 1125 ft per second, which is commonly cited but otherwise arbitrary starting value, as that’s a laboratory control example assuming it’s 20°C at sea level in dry air. The second issue is he’s basing the calculation on imperial to begin with, and then converting it to metric, which is obviously not going to carry over 1/1. You can just as easily get a workable number in metric if you start out there and say the speed of sound is, say, 350 meters per second (not unlikely in a warm environment) and that at 25fps that gives you 14m/s or 45.9318 feet per second. He is also taking the frame in PAL, in in NTSC (US) devices the framerate is actually between 23.976 FPS and 24, assuming the lower, since we’re talking about an older movie, then the numbers are 14.59793126459793 meters per frame or 47.893475277552262526 feet per frame. Neither one is “convenient” in this instance, but metric remains the scientific and world standard for a reason, even if the US and UK can’t manage to pull their collective heads out of their asses. The UK may be further along down the path of conversion then the US, but let’s not forget that some people still use stones as a form measurement. (Disclaimer, I am American, but have been using solely metric for the last decade)

Loving this channel - excellent points made - although on a lot of these films that have kind of sniper scenes the camera focuses on the sniper and we hear the shot from his point of view then we focus on the target and hear the bullet from his point of view - although in this case they still get it wrong as we would hear the bullet shot twice!

I'm a sort of up start writer of my own sci-fi universe comic and aim to get into animation. I find these videos you make extremely useful. Things things are good to learn in order to add realism to an otherwise completely fictional setting.

At least Saving Private Ryan did a little better with the sniper scene. You heard the crack of the rifle after the round hit Vin Diesel and the piano. And then you saw the muzzle flash before you heard the report of the rifle when the German sniper was killed.

"...there will be a cone shaped area filled of sonic boom..." *cue Guile's theme*

It's been a very long time since I've seen it, but if I recall correctly, Quigley Down Under did the sound effects this way. A rider would be shot, knocked down off his horse, and his buddies would be looking around for the shooter when you finally hear Quigley's gun firing in the extreme distance.

@Casual_Cthulhu

8 жыл бұрын

Great movie

You would see the muzzle flash first. Then the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier past your head, then hear the muzzle blast....Same with A 10 Warthogs providing air support for troops on the ground..You see the flash from the mini cannon and the plane diving quickly towards the ground with no sound...Suddenly big splashes of dirt start getting thrown in the air with still no sound. Soon after you hear the loud thuds of 40mm depleted uranium rounds hitting the ground at amazing speeds. ( the speed of the plane diving adds to the speed of the rounds impacting). Last you hear the ripping like sound of the cannon being fired from the plane. It sounds the sky is a piece of canvas being ripped all at once! Its one of the scariest sounds in the world in person

3:26 "So how was work?"

Even his windows theme is beige.

+Lindybeige I love this video, i wish you would make more videos about film not fitting with physics in the real world.

Nice to see you have taken note of the speed of sound in other media to. And not just movies. :)

The bad guys are easy to recognise. They have English accents.

@businessproyects2615

4 жыл бұрын

Or russian

Being shot at is very surreal. There's probably a million vids on youtube of real combat, but camcorders and cell phone mics never quite pick it up right and shooting on a range the lead is, hopefully, heading away from you. Imagine someone slowly scrunching bubble wrap close to your ears.* Seriously. That's as close to the real noise as you're likely to get outside of actually being shot at. (*NB: I accept no responsibility for hearing loss if you're stupid enough to actually try this.)

@hairyneil

8 жыл бұрын

Hearing loss being the Base case scenario! Maybe tryshooting past a good microphone instead? haha

I had ones in an RPG that I was GMing, descriped the situation that a character sees flash in a window, I asked the player what she wants to do, without teling her that is was the flash of the gun being fired. She didn't thought much about it, the I told the other players they see the bullet impact in her head, and only after that I told them they hear now the sound of the shot. The group became much more carefully after that, watching out for snipers and treat other people with more respect so that they give less people a reason to want revenge on them (since this was a revenge for something they did earlier). Good times!

Soldiers are taught this, by observing flash and listening for the crack and thump (sonic and explosion noises) a soldier can assess range to target and adjust sights to engage the enemy more accurately. I was taught this but fortunately never got the chance to test it in a real firefight, I suspect I would have more pressing matters on my mind like finding a nice deep hole.

Other proof for the fact that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound is the fact that some people can appear smart until they open their mouths.

@Managarmr420

8 жыл бұрын

***** They look smart until they start speaking, I mean.. there's a million ways to say that I guess. whatever floats your boat.

Well said sir ! lets not even mention explosions in space in the movies........... they make me so angry!!!!

@starvingpoet81

8 жыл бұрын

+Trigger Hippy Serenity does it very nicely.

@triggerhippy2826

8 жыл бұрын

Starving Poet Yes it does, just one of the many many reasons to love Serenity. Question on that subject, which was the best episode? I vote for Jaynes world

@starvingpoet81

8 жыл бұрын

I love Our Mrs. Reynolds, Christina Hendricks' character is one of my favorites.

@triggerhippy2826

8 жыл бұрын

***** agreed - I will also add that Gravity did do it quite nicely

In the first world war there were reports of many German soldiers just falling dead in the trenches and the sound of gunfire would come after the bodies hit the ground. The shots came from American marksmen using the 1903 springfield; a rifle that earned a nickname, "The Weapon of Silent Death" because it was so accurate at long range that you would be dead before you heard anything.

You are one of the best youtubers out there

I remember reading that they tried making the sound realistic in the D-Day scene but it just confused the hell out of the test audiences. Also, in the Pelinor Fields (sp?) battles in The Return of The King the oliphants only have two footfalls and not four, as this also confused the audience. I tend to give movies a pass on these sorts of things, even if I am an easily annoyed pedant like yourself,

@arthurdent6256

8 жыл бұрын

+Deinonuchus Directors' cuts need this.

@brazen_helm

8 жыл бұрын

+Deinonuchus Pelennor. You make a good point!

@SmigGames

8 жыл бұрын

+Deinonuchus This isn't just pedantry for me. That sort of thing annoys me because it creates false beliefs in people for the sake of not confusing them. Why am I being treated like an idiot? How about confusing me for the sake of not lying to me?

I feel that if a film came out today with realistic sound, then it would get people talking and actually help promote the film.

@lindybeige

8 жыл бұрын

+The Business Cat Yes, show people reality, and they accept it. Saving Private Ryan's increase in sound accuracy improved sound in war movies in general.

A small note about handguns: if the caliber is 45 ACP (Colt 1911) or 38 Special (many revolvers), the sound will reach you before the bullet, because these rounds are sub-sonic. 45ACP velocity is 830fps for standard military ball, and 38 Special is 770fps for a standard 158gr load.

@ValThracian

7 жыл бұрын

124 grain 9mm is also subsonic.

They got that right in Black Sails, the ships opening up flashed, then the booms came later. I was most pleased by that actually!

I... I did not notice the difference at the end. :/

@MBKill3rCat

8 жыл бұрын

+ruolbu I think that was the point he was trying to make; you can still have it seem intuitive and dramatic while having it be realistic also.

@lindybeige

8 жыл бұрын

+ruolbu But did you feel the difference? Which made you jump more?

@ruolbu

8 жыл бұрын

hmmmmneither? ^^

@Godsmack399

8 жыл бұрын

+Lindybeige I reacted more to the second one because the second one was louder.

That's what I call an interesting piece of information!

Actually this should intuitively make sense to us seeing as most have us have seen lightning and heard thunder come several seconds later. I even as a child was taught to count the seconds to the thunder after a lightning strike to figure out how far away it had struck.

Great video. Keep it up!

Actually, the movie "Quigley Down Under" gets this mostly right.

@tylerharvey8671

8 жыл бұрын

LOVE THAT MOVIE!

@Tensen01

7 жыл бұрын

Also the movie Way of the Gun

@SaturnCanuck

7 жыл бұрын

tyler harvey Highly under-rated movie.

@tylerharvey8671

7 жыл бұрын

David Townend VERY underrated! That movie is amazing!

So the REAL question is: In movies does LIGHT travel at the speed of sound; or does Sound travel at the speed of light? YEP, it REALLY is a whole different dimension... :)

@FritzelMedia

8 жыл бұрын

+Carl Street Sound travels at the speed of light. It wouldn't make much sense for light to move slower lol

@Albert4H

8 жыл бұрын

+Fritzel Media, But how would you be able to tell which phenomena was occurring?

@CarlStreet

8 жыл бұрын

+Fritzel Media Hold on there, Fritzel -- Speed and Frequency are two entirely different phenomena... Speed is velocity Frequency is wave length So, while your answer is "creative"; it runs afoul of basic physics... The Doppler effect which we perceive as the change in sound pitch results from a compression and lengthening of sound waves [compression = higher; lengthening = lower] but the speed of the sound remains unchanged. For example, as a train approaches you the sound of its horn is compressed because its movement in your direction shortens the sound WAVES; as it passes the sound waves are "stretched" as it leaves travels away from you; but at no time does the speed of the sound change. While my original postulation was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek question; the fact is Mr. Albert, is quite correct as you would NOT be able to make the determination -- at least with the parameters given. Speed or its lack is ALWAYS relative as it MUST be measured against some other value. This is why a car passing by at 70 MPH appears "fast" while traveling at 10X that velocity in an airliner at 30,000 Ft. seems "slow"'; and orbiting the planet at 17,000 MPH is like watching paint dry. Hope this clarifies...

Quigley Down Under, did manage to get most of this right on the long distance shots that were shown from the target's point of view

Excellent point, as usual. One film that has stood out to me for trying to accurately portray the sound-lag phenomenon is Clint Eastwood's western, 'Joe Kidd. A marksman on a mountain perhaps a mile away fires at Kidd, and you see the ishot, then the impact, a couple seconds later, followed quickly by the crack. Maybe not absolutely precise, but a far more accurate representation.

If you're completely deaf the speed of sound is so slow that it never comes.

@Saibrock

8 жыл бұрын

Can't... resist... Your Mom joke...

Dammit Lindy stop defending the Imperial system this is not the dark ages

I live about 25km from Sydney harbour. During the new year fireworks we can watch them on TV and a few minutes after seeing it on TV we hear the rumbling in the distance. It's actually really awesome.

The opening line is awesome. Great reference for a lot of movies points.