Shoulder Pain During Dips | Week 70 | Movement Fix Monday | Dr. Ryan DeBell
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This week I want to talk to you about shoulder pain during dips, both on the bar and rings.
The most frequent places people have shoulder pain during dips is 1. in the front of the shoulder and 2. in the back of the shoulder.
One of the most common movement issues I see during the dip is the shoulder blade either not moving or moving in the opposite direction of the pattern of motion desired during a dip.
Now, I know there's a lot of talk about whether or not shoulder blade motion matters, if mechanics matter in terms of pain science, etc. etc. I will be doing a podcast coming up with John Rusin (part 2 w/ him) to discuss these issues as well as some future videos with Chris Johnson, so stay tuned for those to address this pain science stuff more in the future. I digress.
When you descend down into a dip, the motion in the shoulder joint you get is shoulder extension. In combination with that, you want to have some shoulder blade retraction, otherwise you essentially bottom out your shoulder extension and you can have substantial compression of the biceps tendon around the humerus.
To see how that happens, click here.
If the athlete's shoulder blade ends up rounding forward, it can frequently be associated with pinching sensations in the back of the shoulder. Make sure to check out this week's video to see an illustration of how that could be happening.
What I want an athlete to do is retract the shoulder blade a bit during the shoulder extension in a dip.
Interestingly, the dip and a bent dumbbell row are pretty similar movements, except one is a pull and the other is a push. The patterns of movement are sort of mirrors of each other and you can watch how someone performs a dumbbell row to see if they use the shoulder in the same way during the pull as the push.
Teaching the athlete how to do a bent row correctly can allow them to understand how to move their shoulder in a dip. It can be a powerful training tool.
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I definitely wasn’t engaging my scapula muscles. Once I heal I’m gonna fix. Thanks!
@juleznava843
3 жыл бұрын
Same bro. Cheers to shoulder pain
@pajamaman4832
Жыл бұрын
Definitely a great cue.
probably saved my shoulder
@Nohandle...
3 жыл бұрын
People don't focus enough on form. Yea
I'm so glad KZread suggested your video. Thank you for sharing.
This removed my discomfort immediately. Thank you!!
Superb. Best video I've seen in the subject. You've earned a new subscriber. Thank you.
Great video, I used the same exact bar attached to the rack for dips yesterday and was wondering why one of my shoulders was sore on the front, am going to apply these techniques and hopefully better next time around.
Wow thank you so much! This fixed my dip instantly! You just saved my shoulder!
@themovementfix
4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Glad to hear it helped.
Wow. Thank you so much, sir.
This is exactly what I needed. I think stretching the pecks out will help too but I’ll go back and work on that with the rows as a fix and progress back to my dios. Thank you!!
you saved my shoulder bro! bless you!
I’ve been wondering why I sometimes get anterior delt pain during dips for weeks! As soon as you explained the anatomy with the scapula rotation it made perfect sense
Well explained, Thank You for the tip. Gonna try it out
This video is really good, hope many people to see this
very helpful video. Thanks !
the more is see this kind of people who really understand bout how every single body works to get a proper workout , the more i proud to go to gym, cs is all about "Art" .. ~
This helps a lot dude, will try these today. Thank you!
A concise and accurate explanation. Thank you!
Excellent video, thanks!
Wow. Thank you. I have this exact problem for the last month and can't do any press motions yet no rotator cuff tests are positive for pain. Subscribed! :):):)
Fricking great, I injured it ring dips and I was leaning towards dumbell lat pulls to strengthen them and you just confirmed it
Life saver thank you sir. Dips will not hurt anymore. Appreciate it brother✌
literally jumped out in amazement when I tried dipping up from the armrests of the chair I'm sitting in without pain when I tried it like you said. You saved my shoulder bro. God bless you, thank you!
@themovementfix
4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Glad to hear it helped you.
@ausualsuspect9639
3 жыл бұрын
Same here...amazing 👍🏻👍🏻
Great insight, thank you!
Thank you
when i was going to the gym, dips were my fav exercise and i would start my uppper body days with them actually. I had to stop going to the gym for like a few months due to developing a chronic stomach problem smhhh. im getting back into working out again after a 3 month hiatus and a whole 20 lbs lighter and def weaker. dips are killing my shoulders now where before i had felt nearly zero pain. I'm hoping once i get some of my strength back dips can be added back into my routine. ill try to update this post to see if might be my case. previously i could do maybe 40 pushups in a row, currently i can do about 18. ill try to reincorporate dips back in my routine once i can do 30 pushups. im really hoping i can do dips again, i loved them
Thanks!
Wow, i was doubting at first since i use dips for triceps so i thought it would hit the pecs a lot, but surprisingly, i can hit my tris a lot more than i was and i also dont have any shoulder pain anymore. Thaks a lot dawg
Thank you!
Great explanation
Thank god for this. Hurt my shoulder doing dips and u just saved me. Thank you.
@lalalalalala3734
Жыл бұрын
at what minute exactly
Quick and helpful
This is the best clear concise explanation of shoulder mechanics for push movements I've ever seen. Channels like AthleanX helped me find workarounds for exercises that exacerbated my anterior shoulder pain. But now with gums closed due to covid I'm moving over to ring exercises and had difficulty applying pain prevention to dips (partly because I lacked strength and patterning in ring movements).
@cbas8826
3 жыл бұрын
Good shit homie
thank you for saving my shoulder
thank you!
I need a gym for a few muscle groups cause of shoulder damage.. heavy bench needs to me on a assisted bench just in case. And yes I dislocated my shoulder doing working out
thank a lot
Good tips.
Thank you for this vid man. Someone actually who went into detail and explained it ina way that I understand 😂😂💪🏽
Thanks
Great video. I really like the cue to have the athlete "open their chest" in the bottom of the dip.
Thank you for the video! This is something I struggle with: pain in the front of the shoulder, and only on my dominant arm. Dips are definitely a way to aggravate them, but since I primarily do snatches/clean & jerks, those can OFTEN aggravate it (not always!). It seems my dominant arm has to learn to be put in a better position so I will continue to do rows and lower trap work to push the shoulder blade in the right position. Would you suggest anything else for the overhead athlete in this regard? Your explanation of the pinch is very useful. I always wondered why I only sometimes feel the pain and, obviously, only during overhead movements. It seems like on good days, the shoulder is activated/in the right position, and the rest of the time it is just not.
Thanks man
Clunking in the shoulder with active shoulder extension would be a sign of what dysfunction(s)? Nice videos.
Thank u
My shoulders thank you!
@themovementfix
5 жыл бұрын
Tell them they are welcome!
My shoulders said thank you
i broke my shoulder when i was younger when i d dips it specifically hits that part and gives cruciating pain for 5- after
so the solution is basically squeeze the shoulder blades together?
Hey man, I often have sore shoulders after a (weighted) dip workout but never pain during or after dips. Do I just train my shoulder more than my chest with dips or is that bad?
Now I know what I'm doing wrong. Thanks!
Now are dips mor dangerous than other chest exercises regarding shoulder health?
Yes sir I am putting left shoulder down while doing dips ,push ups and no pain till now, but i need change that because my right triceps only getting activated, sir pleas help how to do it one shoulder and for this i should visit physio or Chiropractic
Thank you bro great tips. Been having that pain in my left shoulder in the front. When I do dips I try to square my shoulders up. Never thought of retracting them, so that should work! 👌
@themovementfix
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Yeah think about the scapular motion as part of it and supporting your body with both shoulder extension and the scapulae. They will retract but you can almost create protraction tension downward into the dip bars
When you train for the planche you should protract the shoulders all the way down. So you say that we should stop doing this for a while util shoulder pain is gone?
i have this problem only on the right shoulder, that's weird
I always try to spread my chest open and keep my shoulder down and back when I do dips. However I still experience pain in my right shoulder and a bit less in my left one. Could it also be because I often let my shoulders shrug when going down?? It's hard for me to tell because I can't always keep perfect form - especially when I'm already tired and also I don't know if I may be doing these bad movements a little bit despite my focus and that little bit may be too much.
@italywantstoexiteu651
4 жыл бұрын
You should always focus on good form and not on reps. Reps are useless without good form
Tomorrow I have triceps I hope it works
My clavicle bone hurts when I do dips
@ElvinL
2 жыл бұрын
Same
But why can't i hold it in that position?
I’m a little late. I have pulled anterior delt.🙄
@outlawsboy5856
3 жыл бұрын
Same here I stopped and came here ASAP lmao
Is is just me or this guy looks like Matt Damon
@Bharatultra
4 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes 😂❤️
@Jin-ou8ok
2 жыл бұрын
Tbh he looks like Dr. Ryan DeBell
@cjzanders5430
2 жыл бұрын
Not even a little
@jamestheradioman
Жыл бұрын
That's Jason Bourne!
@BoredMe2Death
Жыл бұрын
Just you bruh
Can it hurt while doing pull ups also ?
@jrg305
3 жыл бұрын
Mine does.
i was going too low
Guys i got Shoulder ac joint separation. Keep proper form 🤣
T H a n k s
He shows the fix very briefly at 3:00. Kinda wish he did some proper dips to fully explain things.
Can't concentrate on what he's saying cos he's so good looking. lol
couldn't understand anything
@owennbeats
4 жыл бұрын
Samuel Israel thanks man
Don't dip deep
Please, change your camera man, add some light and remove your shirt. The movement(s) are not seen.
Thank you