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@lesleywild8706

Жыл бұрын

We slaughter animals sometimes abysmally - steal babies from their mothers sides - why should we be so philosophical when it comes to ourselves, as a species we don't deserve it.

Just based on my own idea of life, being alive is not the same as living. You can be alive, but are you living? Are you living a fulfilled, happy life on your own? If I was connected to machines, can’t speak, can’t walk or talk, with no hope of ever getting better that was just my life now, dude, let me go. I’m not happy, and I can’t even live. I’d like to go, be in no more pain, and have no one worry about my state of being anymore. If I were forced to continue living, that just becomes torture at that point. And when it comes to a child, we have to ethically think what is best for the child, regardless of our own wants. If my child had a condition that they can’t just overcome, it’s with them for life, and they’ll always be hooked up to machines, never able to walk or eat on their own, in pain.. why am I going to bring something into this world and then force it to suffer? I’m not talking about mental disabilities, I’m talkin full body disabilities where they will never actually LIVE.

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

You both are incorrect. I have a severely handicapped child and she is very intelligent, happy and very aware that she is different. But hey want to change semester no problem there. Like who the fuck do these people think they are deciding who should live or die. Go handicapped school. It'll blow your mind how much they have to offer the world.

So these are those videos that you scroll down to the comment section with dread, and anxiety. Because,you know the potential conversations that will be held, and "arguments" that will be made...

@pamelabibby8642

4 жыл бұрын

what does singer expert he is racist he wants to hurt children he should get hate crime

@erwins_arm

Жыл бұрын

​@@pamelabibby8642 what the fuck

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

​@pamelabibby8642 especially thinking raping the disabled isn't a crime, or bestiality. My daughter is severely handicapped andi am super crazy who I let near her. Bit if someone raped her. They would disappear. My son who just some context was normal this Thanksgiving 6years on that day was hit and killed. The dumb bitch that did it didn't have an ounce of remorse. I talked to her one time and asked if she wanted to know medically where we were. Her exact words were no not really. She was texting and had her dog on her lap. If it wasn't for my daughter her life would be quite different today. All the changes this world has been going through and the severely handicapped and disabled are at the bottom. It makes me sick. My daughter is always happy and wickedly intelligent but people would never think that. Typical comments I read are they just lay there all day drooling all over themselves. These days mental health is a huge issue. Six in elementary school is normal. B7t jy girl still gets stared at and snickered at. If I did that to someone transitioning I would be labeled 20 different things. Something has got to change. When she was a baby and people would be blatantly ignorant I'd chase them down in the parking lot. Time has gone on and I don't let it bother me. If someone would ask a question,they would learn something.

Dealing with unbearable constant pain from the moment your born only to be able to feel peace under a vegetative state is not life let alone a good one. Singer makes a good case for euthanasia. The other fellow doesn't even answer Singer's question and instead tries to create a straw man analogy on Dr's assumptions for quality of life.

@Blackronin357

5 жыл бұрын

@ls7orBust2 so you think it's best to let a child with no idea of anything suffer for God only knows how long until they die with a 0.00000 percent chance at living? That's not life, that's torture by proxy. Not doing anything is as bad as doing something in this case.

@amna6164

4 жыл бұрын

white mate, if someone is suffering its best for them to end their life. Its a humane thing to do. Thats torture to leave them to suffer 🤦🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

@amna6164

4 жыл бұрын

OtherWorlds AllWorlds apologies for not saying the full thing that i meant. If they would want to live they have a right to but as a child, a child does not know what they should do so therefore if a child is going through tremendous pain we should end the childs life.

@Blackronin357

4 жыл бұрын

@Taylor Anne whose? The Dr, the parents, the baby? Please be clear. Assuming it is the parents decision, which it usually is, they consult with Dr and a 2nd opinion on the path forward and what works for them. If they want to tackle further care or euthanasia is a hard decision from each perspective. Neither side is absolutely correct, but there should always be a choice.

@fr.Angel21

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot that medical predictions on newborns is not 100% reliable. Newborns can get diagnosed with a disease from birth and growing up 100% healthy. Steven Hawking is an example, his disease was supposed to kill him less than 5 years but he lived 40+ years. Medicine is a flawed sciencie because humans are naturally unpredictable. Therefore: Ending a child's life is murder and wrong.

Severely in pain and can't function at all without machines to even breath? Yes. Adults? Yes. If you can't fix them let them move on for a better model or flesh prison- the soul was not meant to stay in a broken down trap. If there is a way to fix the body then by all means do whatever possible, but if not, why delay the soul from freedom and movement?

@UnratedAwesomeness

5 жыл бұрын

While your comment does have a lot right with it, don't forget that we are SUPPOSED to have bodies. This is why we wait for the physical resurrection as Christians. Humans properly exist as body and soul, and to die is to lose your body. Of course, in heaven we will be free from suffering, but many forget that our bodies are part of who we are.

@Krontok

5 жыл бұрын

You're just straight up nuts lady

@janebaker966

5 жыл бұрын

Beware of Pity by Stefan Zweig.

@erwins_arm

Жыл бұрын

Ok and what if souls don't exist lol

@nicholewhite4067

Жыл бұрын

If disabled people have to be euthanized then normal people should too if my life has no meaning than neither does yours

This is disgusting. No. Just no.

I have seen some accounts of EB, I haven't yet seen one where the sufferer actually wants to die. These kids and young people want to live, they find meaning in their suffering somehow. Now I don't know how they do it, I really don't. But by the fact they want to live, shows that euthanasia isn't the answer here.

I think Peter's argument as a vegan animal rights campaigner is very valid because it is true that human life often takes precedent over other animals, but also over medical expert opinion about the wellbeing of relying on medical technology to sustain life. We have a real problem of not understanding people's subjective experiences of life, so we may underestimate the value of someone's life, but also conversely overestimate it by diminishing their suffering.

@pure_inertia

Жыл бұрын

It is not our choice to decide if they live or die

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

@Inertegg I have a severely handicapped daughter and I can tell you she's the happiest person you will ever meet. And wickedly smart, I don't feel that unless you've spent any amount of time around the disabled you should be talking shit, I don't mean you by the way. The joy I get when I'm around her is the purest most genuine love. I really think people just believe they sit there drooling all over themselves looking at the same spot on the wall. They all have personalities. My daughter on state tests in school failed miserably. Huh what would she know about science or geography? So of course they're going to tell you she's 2. Also as a parent you have the right to send them to your local school. Which to me is insane, she's 24 now and when she was in school we had a group come in and start taking pictures and videos without permission trying to say we segregate them. We had a huge meeting and the principal and I were close so she knew I'd be the first to say something. Needless to say they disappeared. Like these kids have enough to deal with.

Yes. When the parents are too old to care for disable adult kids. They will get mistreatment fron carers. Why put them through this?

If you're paying well I'll volunteer.

Yes.

Who knows what other people's internal reality is. We're too keen to judge other people by our own standards. I've never been the life and soul of the party and have no desire to jump out of planes,also being ugly,thank you God,I've lived a sex free life,so by some people's standards my existence is invalidated. Just gimme the money!!!!!

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

Gimme the money??

Yes

Something similar to this goes on in Iceland 🇮🇸 and a few other countries with down syndrome. Most babies are aborted when mothers find out test is positive. As a result there are hardly any adults with down syndrome in these countries. Just FYI, I dont claim to know if its right or wrong. Ethics/Morality is real tricky.

Just to clarify. There is no reason to think that morality is an objective affair, if reality is only naturalistic or based on material.

@bigfan1041

5 жыл бұрын

True. And it is strange to think it would be any other way.

This shows a misunderstanding of utilitarianism as well as Peter Singer's position, which I'm sure he corrected right after this.

@internetguy8075

6 ай бұрын

He probably needed to cling on to utilitarianism to justify cheating on his wife with dozens of women. That, and his fame being built on promoting the theory.

Note how all of the people discussing this topic in this video are not disabled.

@83reggieT

3 жыл бұрын

Because most severely disabled kids can't read it or do anything without assistance.

@mattiasswartz8257

3 жыл бұрын

@@83reggieT I like P. Singer but in this case @weather Moore is actually on to something. There are a lot of kids with EB (the skin condition Singer was reffering to) that wouldnt agree that they lack value. Having John Hudson (who is a kid suffering from EB) there to speak for himself (which he would be able to do, look him up) would actually contribute a lot to this discussion I think.

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

​@@83reggieTWent right over your head

@joshuaneal7552

2 ай бұрын

You'd rather see that child go through literal hell for a year and die in misery. You are sick.

singer didnt even mention utilitarianism in his argument (though i know he is one); his argument didnt need that invocation. so why is the theologian just going off on a tangent? smh

Quick answer YES !

the real question is what caused the defects. it’s usually something man-made. like depleted uranium or GE spills or vaxxxx for example.

@ditzydarling9836

5 ай бұрын

😂

To be born disabled may entail pain but how come discussion such as these could help in reducing the pain? physical pain could be tackled through love and care. We need to seek more empowering measures for persons with disability from policymakers. Euthanasia is no answer.

@luckyduckydaisyflower2344

2 жыл бұрын

No shit. Should someone with depression be eliminated or bi polar disorder? How bout if your prone to skin cancer. Wtf ..its nazi thoughts

@luckyduckydaisyflower2344

2 жыл бұрын

We have to guard our beliefs against those that see us like livestock.

@haroldwood1394

Жыл бұрын

Hello, Sameer. Part of my life has involved seeing people in great pain which could not be relieved if they were also conscious. Sometimes, as with bone cancer, I could hear moments of crying even though the person was nominally unconscious. Sometimes, short of a fatal dosage, pain relief is not adequate. Euthanasia may not be the answer, but it may be the best we can do if we are trying to act mercifully. Singer does not pretend to have easy answers, and I respect his views, which accord with my own insights, such as they are. Best wishes to you.

@sameerchaturvedi6675

7 ай бұрын

@msmissy6888 mate I can empathize with you. Sending you a heartwarming hug but I still believe that society is problem not individuals with disabilities. the state should create an Accessible atmosphere and extend all the support to families With a disabled member.

I think it comes down to how they can help society. I guess it's valid they keep facilities for people like that flowing with business. But other than that, they do nothing. I'm talking about vegetable type mentally handicapped. If they can function and work, then yes keep them. But I think it's a horrible life to let someone live. I think it's just guilt that keeps them there. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there is a lot more to it.

@Arginne

2 жыл бұрын

So someones value to society is how much they can work? Ok bud.

@NickolaiPetrovitch

Жыл бұрын

Basing your own or anyones value as a person through the value they can provide the means of production is like Nazi or Soviet policies where if they can’t work the labour /prison camps , they don’t deserve to live. I havr severe Epilepsy , but I love my life despite it and have a husband , child , family and friends that I love who lvor me, and who depend on me. Since I can’t work, I don’t deserve to live?

@how-to-live-right

Жыл бұрын

@@Arginne actually yes, if adult doesn't work they don't eat

@how-to-live-right

Жыл бұрын

@@NickolaiPetrovitch you work, you are rasing a child, it's work. Also if somebody is able to provide for you like your parents or husband you should live

This is a dangerous idea

@benjamindavey4782

3 жыл бұрын

It's different in the case of someone who would be in pain all their life, but countries in the west have always put an inherent value on human life, and that includes ALL human lives. All Disabled people deserve the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

@jameslorenz3718

3 жыл бұрын

If you start deciding who should live and die then you've just built a house on a slippery slope. Then maybe, desensitized, you decide to have stricter standards of "who's fit". Now that we have done that much to "improve" the human race, maybe we decide who's allowed to procreate. It is, indeed, dangerous.

@how-to-live-right

Жыл бұрын

@@jameslorenz3718 but we actually should at some point. At some point we will not be able to support those handicapped, as people will stop procreating to risk such a life

@kutsja4671

Күн бұрын

Natural selection will increase the likelyhood of better genes among us and potentionally reduce the chances of disability

Let's start with normal people because we are not God and everyone has a right to live

Why is a non-disabled person debating about disabled person? I don't trust the non-disabled person's defence for disableds.

@pamelabibby8642

4 жыл бұрын

do you trust my defence for the disabled because i am not disabled but i was bullied at school because people thought i was ive had the hate crime and i am vunerable i cant fight for myself i have anxiety and aspergers syndrome i know how disabled people feel thou im not disabled and im a anti abortionist

@sergeyfox2298

4 жыл бұрын

@@pamelabibby8642 I'm not quite following you. But I can say this to see if this answers your question: Too often, non-disabled people are presented as the key arguers on matters of disability life when non-disabled people don't have any authority to speak on issues of Disability. Furthermore, non-disabled people believe disableds don't have any mind or agency to argue on issues pertaining to disability rights and issues, so the entire debate on Disability renders disableds invisible in the conversation. In my mind, non-disabled people have no authority nor credibility to speak on Disability matters when they are just as ignorant and simple minded on Disability matters and disableds.

@pamelabibby8642

4 жыл бұрын

@@sergeyfox2298 i hope you are not calling me ignorant and simple minding i am saying i am not disabled but im a anti abortionists and i like to stick up for disabled people i know how they feel they get bullied and abused well i was also bullied and abused sometimes non disabled people get bullied and abuse and they try to understand what its like for disabled people to get bullied and abused and i have authority to speak its creul hate crime towards disabled people i like to stick up for them

@83reggieT

3 жыл бұрын

Well often severely disabled often can't feed themselves or read write or even speak. Go look the hartley sisters this channel called Robbie and me This kid Samuel Mann. More than half the people on this channel sbsk. Somehow I doubt their ability to debate for themselves or even wipe their own ass.

@Arginne

2 жыл бұрын

@@pamelabibby8642 bless you. Dont listen to this vile video there is people out there that love you regardless of your disabilities and believe you have just as much a right to life as anyone else 💖 dont listen to those bullying jerks theyre just miserable people like peter singer.

message to all disabled people do you mind when abused women who are not disabled stick up for you and say they know how you feel?

NO! I am a Direct Support Professional for disabled people. They have congenital disabilities, but they have value and they mean so much to me! They add so much to this world! The world sees them as nothing, but they're highly valuable, and I would lay my life down for them! They've enriched my life, as I've enriched theirs. Take time to love them and make their lives as comfortable, bearable, and enjoyable as you can - I do help them in this way, and it gives them great quality of life. That's the problem - the world doesn't want to take the time or effort to do this! The disabled are some of the best souls around. It breaks my heart that this is even questioned.

If my sister believed as this moral philosopher believed then my nephew wouldn't of been born. Thru an amniocentesis it was believed that he might have birth defects and she was advised to consider aborting the child. Thankfully she did not and he was born a healthy child.

@luckyduckydaisyflower2344

2 жыл бұрын

I know someone who was encouraged to abort and her baby is extremely adorable and loving. I'm convinced evil forces were trying to rob her of her life's crown jewel..

@rebeccawhite5128

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I believe stories like that actually happen. What's in the fluid wouldn't be there if the disability wasn't there. Plus, Peter Singer would agree that no mother should be pushed into aborting a child she wants, and nor to euthanize a born baby. It's only permissible, depending on what she wants and the state of the child. There's no conflict between your sister and him at all

@rebeccawhite5128

Жыл бұрын

@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 Bec cause "evil forces" care so much about her happiness in the face of people who have real sorrow?

@luckyduckydaisyflower2344

Жыл бұрын

@@rebeccawhite5128 there are demonic spirits in people. Yes her doctor kept encouraging her to abort..

@luckyduckydaisyflower2344

Жыл бұрын

@@rebeccawhite5128 yes evil will try to stamp out goodness. Pharoh killed all male babies under 2..over power..not my job to prove to you I say what I say

Whether our time is up is for God to decide.

@slytherinbabe3492

5 жыл бұрын

Su Nam (Kevin) Jang god doesn't exist

@Brion15

5 жыл бұрын

Su Nam (Kevin) Jang oh and you’re stupid

@Arginne

2 жыл бұрын

@@slytherinbabe3492 thats an opinion.

@slytherinbabe3492

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arginne so is believing God exists.

Love overcomes suffering! Therefore life is worth living.

@lemorelgambino9882

4 жыл бұрын

Mary Smith you dumb ass hell love won’t cure the fact your a vegetable . Like that wouldn’t make sense

@BasedinReality1984

4 жыл бұрын

Mary it’s people like you that will be the downfall of the west . No doubt you’re one of these ‘thoughts and prayers’ type people

For the Christians that have answered on previous video clips already, please ignore. I'm curious as to what the most compelling, objective, positive evidence for the Christian God that you think there is?

@drosscreed123

5 жыл бұрын

After years of trying to come up with one. I start to realize that a question like that can't be answered. What is objective and most conclusive to me, is not the most objective and conclusive to you. Just like how the most thought of objective and conclusive evidences for evolution and the big bang for the same people don't satisfy me. Only with bias comes satisfaction, as a conclusive answer can only come after conclusive honest research. As of now, both sides are still researching. For me personally it's not evidence that pushes me to Creationism, it's consistency. Evolution is not an origin science, so it relies on something else like the big bang. That makes sense until you realize there is a gap in the story. Where does life fit into this. Spontaneous generation has been proven a myth for a very long time now. To suddenly rely on it again kinda pushes me away. While creationism doesn't have perfect answers yet, it has a complete story.

@biggregg5

5 жыл бұрын

@@drosscreed123 Thanks for replying.

@ruthbajela1246

5 жыл бұрын

I think you should instead do your own research and make an informed decision. Start with a list of your biggest objections, and start reading - both sides of the argument. Try and understand the philosophy of Jesus. Read a gospel, look into the cultural context. I also suggest that you pray, out loud on your own and ask God to show you the truth. I'm christian and though I believe the christian worldview is logical, faith is not. I used to hate saying that faith isn't logical but then I came across Kierkegaard's Fear and Trembling, and he explains it quite well (well in my personal opinion). If at the end of your quest for truth you still find the answers unsatisfactory then I guess no one can fully convince you. As long as you know in your heart that you've truly analysed both arguments, then I guess no harm no foul. I wrote this because there is an abundance of evidence that suggests there is a God, and a christian one at that. Depending on certain factors we gravitate to different ones, and find others pointless. I realise you may already have made up your mind on this matter, I hope that before you did you at least read one book in the bible - and analysed it in context, and done have done some reading for both sides of the argument. Hope you have a good day, sorry for my rambling haha. Will keep you in my prayers

@biggregg5

5 жыл бұрын

@@ruthbajela1246 I've been doing that for 15 years. Many books and debates under my belt. I thought I would ask using the principle of charity without making it a debate. I felt that of I asked for the best, most convincing without argumentation, there's a chance I might learn something.

@janebaker966

5 жыл бұрын

Obviously you don't know me and you don't know my appearance or my IQ level (low),therefore my lifelong thriving and survival and enjoyment of life,I do have low moments,but my success at living despite being void of personal attractiveness, intelligence or charm proves to me the existence of God. Of course it also proves to me that He is a bit of a Bastard,if he had only created me normal looking I could have had a normal life like other people. Or would that actually be boring?!!

This “moral philosopher” is no medical ethicist. Thanks that he is an academic who is not actually involved in real life and death decisions.

@thomasking6246

4 жыл бұрын

@ls7orBust2 Obviously you're not a socialist then.

@83reggieT

3 жыл бұрын

@white it's not theft it's making sure selfish assholes contribute in the lives of their fellow man. Who if it wasn't for them you wouldn't have the money in the first place.

@TheSiprianus

Жыл бұрын

@@83reggieT "selfish assholes contribute in the lives of their fellow man", yup, typical socialist thinking that society has a 'default' wealth that unfairly taken by other people. ' Who if it wasn't for them you wouldn't have the money in the first place', what do you think happen when a transaction in a capitalist country happen, one person steals money from other people? It's a voluntary transaction, meaning you wouldn't do that transaction if you do not think you receive an equal value of product or service. I'm pretty sure you are one of those people who parroted a certain socialist politician 'the rich getting richer while the poor getting poorer', flash news for you, both the rich and the poor are actually getting richer.

I support euthanasia, but I think one problem with euthanizing severely disabled children is that mildly or moderately disabled children will be scared living in such a world. One of my mother's friends starved her severely disabled infant daughter to death. That child's life would have been miserable if she hadn't died. But whenever my mother talked about this, I got very scared, because I had depression and my mother didn't really like me and I thought what she was really saying was that she wished she could have done the same thing to me.

Throw’em off the edge of a cliff like they do in Sparta. Only the Strong survive. . . . . . . Just kidding... That’s cruel 😕

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, a bullet in the back of the head when they're least expecting it is far more humane.

@nexus7monster

5 жыл бұрын

lol

@jam5533

4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much murder especially killing them against their will unknowingly so to say

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

@nexus7monster oh yeah really funny.

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

Well you be the example by leading. Beyond fucked up, and not funny.

Yeah by Peter logic animal are superior then a human being.

Yes or put them in asylums,and no legal protections for them

@bananenbrood7386

2 жыл бұрын

@John Stevens i dont care

@bananenbrood7386

2 жыл бұрын

@John Stevens i would kill or dump it

@deadore

2 жыл бұрын

@@bananenbrood7386 my brother is disabled and I fucking hate him so much

@bananenbrood7386

Жыл бұрын

@Ryan Howarth i think every1 who funtions beneath a certain IQ or mental age or a (certain type of) wheelchair should be at least locked up in an institution,and if they get abused ect.its (in my eyes) themselves to blame

@Bonniehiebler1210

Жыл бұрын

​@@bananenbrood7386And I would like to beat the shit out of you for saying that.

Yes.