Should Trans Women Be Allowed to Compete in Women’s Athletics?
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Should transgender athletes be allowed to compete with those of the gender they identify with or must they only compete with athletes who share the gender they were assigned at birth? Are laws that ban transgender women from participating in women's sports fair? LGBTQ+ activists have described criteria limiting transgender athlete involvement in gendered sports as "discriminatory.” Lia Thomas made headline news and stirred debate when she competed in swimming nationals as a transgender woman. Dr. Phil, along with Layne Ingram, a transgender man and basketball coach, and Olympic swimmer Nancy Hogshead-Makar, an advocate for girls and women in sports and CEO of Champion Women, discuss what they believe is right and fair. Then, Riley Gaines, who competed against Lia Thomas, gives her perspective on how she felt after their race. The big question is: what does the science say? Harvard professor Dr. Carole Hooven breaks it down. (21005RR)
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To ignore a bell curve is ignorant of biological differences. This gentleman is either ignorant or being disingenuous.
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
It’s both
@GaiaMiranda
Жыл бұрын
He's a leftist Democrat towing the party line and super woke political agenda
@mrawesome2742
Жыл бұрын
Actually he’s just dumb.
@Enoughalready20237
Жыл бұрын
When he said ‘some men have small man syndrome’ I think he was talking about himself. When he was talking about ‘all shapes and sizes’ he could have said short men, tall men, etc. But he specifically called short men a ‘syndrome’ and not a physical attribute when we know short man syndrome is a mental insecurity for being short.
@ThoughtsOnNews
Жыл бұрын
@@Enoughalready20237 He used to be a girl. Short man syndrome is psychological. Absolutely ridiculous response about biology.
there is a huge different between trans woman and biological woman
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
careful, they're precious feelings might get hurt 🥹🥹
@Jay-jb2vr
Жыл бұрын
@@Cosmicmorales *Truth hurts*
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
@@Jay-jb2vr “there is nothing more hated than he who speaks the truth”-plato
@ryanfuller857
Жыл бұрын
Mentally ill people should compete against Mentally ill people
@derp8575
6 ай бұрын
One is pretending to be a woman. The other is a woman.
What is the problem with them having their own category.
@drearydancer
9 ай бұрын
I think there wouldn't be enough people to compete. Also if they put all the transgenders together, it would be trans women beating trans men. In other words biological men would beat biological women.
@Joe-Przybranowski
2 ай бұрын
That would impede the sexual fetish of pretending they're women.
Hormones doesnt only determine strength ,its muscle and bones are crucial factors too.
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
Hormones completely alter muscle mass and bone density difference is almost entirely negligible between an AMAB person and AFAB person. Stop this false rhetoric
@gavinhemmerlein1241
Жыл бұрын
@@echo2413 not true. Muscle distribution is also an important factor. As well as insertion and origin points of the musculature. There is differences even with hormonal levels staying constant.
@lisadunn1138
Жыл бұрын
@@echo2413 how is it a false rhetoric? For that to be the case it would have to be true that a born bio male body suddenly shrinks, muscles vanish and change shape , lung capacity dimishes etc etc as soon as they transition! And that's impossible! I can train exactly the same as a bio male and my body would never look like his. If he then suppressed testosterone those differences don't vanish.
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
@@lisadunn1138 - Not every person born male is a 6'8 tank - Muscle mass DOES significantly change on hormone therapy, educate yourself - Body shape also tends to change in areas due to the hormonal shift which causes fat to transfer to different areas, there are many such cases of trans women's hips growing wider, shoulders narrowing etc - Lung capacity???? Do you literally think men are superhuman 💀 y'all seriously act like men and women are different species.
@utarian7
Жыл бұрын
@@echo2413 What is a woman
I have absolutely no problem with trans people competing.. But not against women. It's not simply about hormones. I worked my butt off to be one of the first women to compete in mountain bike racing 30+ years ago. I fought hard to do that. We absolutely cannot compete against biological men! The male body is very different to a woman's. I'd love to be sat here saying I'm no different to a guy! Believe me I hate that I can never beat some men no matter that I trained just as hard as they did if not harder. To now see women athletes being silenced and losing to women who have had a male puberty and therefore have a massive advantage is heartbreaking . We are getting lost in the testosterone issue. It's more than that one chemical. But when we can't even discuss this without getting called a terf or receiving hate it's ridiculous!
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
careful... a simple fact could hurt they’re precious feelings 🥺
@deerestalan9247
Жыл бұрын
Trans aren't women they are just people desperate for respect
@tango2paris
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you
I think transpeople should have their own sports to compete in.
No one is going to talk about the two trans boxers that literally cracked biological women’s skulls? This is ridiculous. It’s not about them wanting rights. It’s about them wanting to take away our rights we shouldn’t be forced to fight or compete with a grown man.
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
It’s not about them wanting to take ur rights away, what they think in their delusional minds is they can replace y’all as women.
@katimay493
Жыл бұрын
@@Cosmicmorales when I said they want to take out rights I’m speaking on stupid stuff like then taking away out title and saying we are “cis women” and we must obey their delusions. Or saying men have periods so tampon and pad boxes must be black and white at some point they called women “birth abled” also they want to take away our freedom of speech. I feel like it is our right to feel safe when participating in Sports. But I know what u meant
@yuri7885
Жыл бұрын
I love how you feel the entitlement to say that when trans rights are literally being taken away as we speak.
@MusicByAllonaMayost
Жыл бұрын
@@yuri7885trans women have no business competing against biological women, because trans women are biological men!
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
@@katimay493yes I know what you meant as well but I just wanted to point that out there
He literally said biology isn't xx xy. Yes it is infact xx xy
The person immediately lost all credibility when they said "men are not textbook bigger than women" because you can get a variety of sizes in men. Thats a ridiculous statement and completely unscientific
Plenty of women are over 6'4 feet? Dear less than one percent of women is over 6 feet, let alone 6'4.
its unfair
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
yep
Leah Thomas was only on hormones for 6 months when they started competing. Secondly still had an intact male anatomy in which women in the changing area were exposed to which is ridiculous SMH
The things I read are unbelievable. They say Trans people have a different brain structure..ok..I read that Transwomen have the brain of a woman..ok..Do transwomen know we don't think about the same things they do growing up as little ladies. We don't think we are in the incorrect bodies, we don't think about having surgery, we think about what's actually happening to us as we grow. We may want bigger tops and we think about keeping our bodies including our undercarriage safe and clean. We can have all types of feminine issues even if we wear the wrong undies. We have our cycles in which we learn how to properly clean, use the proper products, and dispose of them correctly. If young women are S******* active they worry about pregnancy and contraceptives in order to avoid pregnancy. Do transwomen go through these things? We are and will always be different. There is nothing wrong with being Trans..or Gay for that matter. But understand we will never be the same. Ever. We deal with the everyday things we were born with..which is enough in itself. Good Luck Folks.
i'm sick of these men.
I agree with Nancy. 😊
@JoshuaNazworth
18 күн бұрын
No I don't agree with that guy that says Liam Thompson was brave and everything no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no that Thompson was a man and now turned into a woman no change athletes need to be banned for life I think we need to put it on the next transgenders for life and transgenders Banned for life and everybody agrees without me out there the band transgenders for life because I believe transgender athletes should be banned for life in every sport no matter what if it's swimming basketball no matter what it is.? @piper7485
I agree with nancy
There are not a lot of women who are 6'4".
Protect women from predatory men!!
@gl3913
Жыл бұрын
Just like with straight men who are cisgender, it is all about the individual and not an entire group or community of folks that are good or bad/predatory. For not all trans men and trans women are bad people.
@mrawesome2742
Жыл бұрын
@@gl3913 Who said anything about “all” trans people? YOU said that. Your also off topic. “But what about this other unrelated thing!?” Typical deflection. Biological men who choose to participate in women’s sports, despite their obvious unfair advantage are predatory by definition. They are total narcissists, and don’t care about the feelings of others.
Nope they shouldn't. They can have their own trans athletics program
Something tells me that an ‘ open’ category “ will be formed to accommodate trans athletes. I’d be willing to bet that they won’t participate in it. Why? Because the whole goal was to be in the spotlight in the first place. Bet
@TheNesbittExperience
11 ай бұрын
🥇 🥈 🥉
I agree with Nancy. Trans women are still men
Allowing this is in every shape and form....Abuse to all women and girls.
@gl3913
Жыл бұрын
To allow trans women athletes who have 100% completed the medical part of their transition to compete alongside biological female athletes is in no way any form of abuse to the biological female athletes.
@rosalitamarie8836
Жыл бұрын
@gl3913 It is abuse!
@gl3913
Жыл бұрын
Then prove it then
@rosalitamarie8836
Жыл бұрын
@@gl3913 You don't ask a woman to probe abuse!
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
@@gl3913it doesn't matter, they're still biological men, they should compete in men or trans only sports to make it even for the biological women.
Why dont you see trans men wanting to play men sports, wanting to go in the mens rest and calling men sis men. Just ludacris
Here's a crazy thought: Have trans women compete against OTHER TRANS WOMEN. Same with trans men.
@v.t.vheff_7787
Жыл бұрын
Your Pfp😭😭😭
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
Ah good old segregation
@yuri7885
Жыл бұрын
That causes a lot of issues. - Due to their low population, there might not be enough to have their own category. - Why should they have to, since they are women and the facts support that they belong in women's sports?
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
@@yuri7885These people will not listen to facts despite their insistence to the contrary.
@kylerockett1641
Жыл бұрын
@echo2413 You want facts? Here are the facts. When women wanted to participate in sports, they didn't try to compete against men. They went against other women. As you can see, biological women don't like having to compete with trans women because, for most, it's not even a competition. But you are ignoring them to cater to the trans community. My proposal is most logical.
Men are men and women are women! Amen.
@HeathenGranny
11 ай бұрын
trans women are women and trans men are men
@NM-ho5qt
10 ай бұрын
@@HeathenGrannywrong
The special Olympics. There ya go
No because logic
Imagine if Terry cruise says he's a trans woman and enters female body building..... This is literally the issue they're having. Some cases more obvious than others but if you don't draw the line here then where?
@vishawn4705
Жыл бұрын
That’s absolutely not the issue. If we play out your hypothetical - he’d have to first have been on hormonal therapy for years before even being considered. It’s not like we just let anyone and everyone compete in gender specific groups, there are tests done to determine whether or not someone can compete.
@KayezTP
Жыл бұрын
All I'm going to say is this. If LeBron James decided to be a trans woman and play in the WNBA do you actually think with that body structure, strength and force that any of the women would stand a chance? Trans women should go against other trans women. Even there names are different , TRANS WOMAN, WOMAN. so how can they even be in the same field at the same time?
@gavinhemmerlein1241
Жыл бұрын
@@CK-ri7uf it's ignorance and a belief that humans control everything. There is far too much that we cannot control and that is just life. Some people can't accept that.
@user-qd9fy8on4y
3 ай бұрын
I hope the women win their lawsuit against the NCAA!! Will Thomas and the NCAA committed sexual harassment!!
This is where i draw the line ans ask my fellow (biological) women....how can you understand past feminist movements as creating space for us and then just let this happen?... Hand it back over for the sake of social acceptance? People can exist however they wish, and I'm not religious or against anyone, but everyone's rights must be considered, and majority rules. To take a womans place in sports and be in the same locker room when its making the majority want to give up on their persuit because though they've put their life into being the best at their sports, and now they are being blown out of the water is insane. and the cherry on top is they get to feel violated either sexually and/or religiously while changing right before the events they need to perform in? Oh and then there are the non-pro sports.. meaning this will happen to our daughters at school too. For the sake of what??.. a few percentages of the population feeling included and safer, while all women step out of their way and don't ask questions?! I swear im a usually Lefty leaning Canadian who has always voted as left as possible... I cant say that will continue if this is on the docket. Its too far
“There’s a lot of women who are 6’4 with big hands, big boned, because we come in all shapes and sizes” no in fact there is not a lot of women who are 6’4. A 6’4 woman is considered a complete anomaly. A 6’4 man is very common. That is the point
@johnrusin4952
4 ай бұрын
Seeing a 6’4 woman is about as common as seeing a 7 plus man. The trans activist is truly desperate when he attempts that argument.
Give Trans people their own category
Absolutely not! Transgender female is still a male.
no they should not
Mister Lia is a cheater
No definitely not they are way stronger in faster
No no no!!!!!
no, it is a biological man point withdrawn. next question.
No
Why is it thay doctor phil always seems to be pushing this
They is know lea his name is Will Thomas there is no lea
No they shouldn’t. I’m an average girl who did like 3 sports in my lifetime in school. I never won first place but I was never got last place either. Trans women WILL dominate women’s sports and average girls like me will never have the chance to compete unless I’m as good as a biological male
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BS
Never
no. simple
wtf😂😂😂 if you can train harder (T affects red blood cells btw) for x number of years OFCOURSE you have an advantage over someone who trained her best too, but her body couldnt sustain as much of a training... Testosterone affects: 1. boosts red blood cells 2. boosts regenaration from injuries and even day to day recovery 3. muscle mass, bones, even the damn organs and some you wouldnt ever think of like spleen (or lien), thats an organ where old or damaged red blood cells die - logically its developed accordingly to the number of red blood cells a human has. (ITS A FACT that men got more) 4. human body has physiologically very precise level of each hormone (cuz hormones are very potent in their effect even in small amounts, so minor decrease/increase has major effects) and believe me or look it up, hormones commonly regulate eachother - very simplified meaning: theres too much of one hormone our bodies quickly notice that and another hormone/s is/are released with opposite effects/inhibiting effect on the secretion of the first hormone and a balance is reached. but in reality its way more complicated, involving way more hormones that affect directly or indirectly other hormones... there are other regulating factors but my point is hormones are connected. Its not like we got ten hormones each for something different and they work on their own... So testosterone does have an effect on multiple other hormones but nobody is allowed to say that or they get paid to just leave that part out :))) lastly, i ask, if an athlete is on steroids for 5 years then he stops and reaches the natural levels. Does he have an advantage over his rival that has never done anything? stupid world and the people who understand it and could speak about it are being silenced or bought... Obviously a trans man to woman athlete has an advantage. If he was a competitive athlete before and not regular some joe, its common sense (but since that ignorant argued science, without any concrete explanation🙃) edit: i apologise had to correct some spelling and stuff, just those that needed correction so my comment makes sense😅 also im just a student, by no means do i know everything but behind close doors doctors say the same thing in a more complicated way😅
No.
Should def not be allowed. Get over yourselves.
Trans women should not compete in women sports, nor should Trans men compete in male sports, women have fought to hard for our rights to just exist, have your own category in sports.
No, they should not
Just require all athletes to do a DNA test before competing. Those with XX chromosomes will compete with women, and those with XY will compete with men. It doesn't get any easier than this.
Melinda Gates is that you
To say theres a lot of 6'4" women is extremely disingenuous. I am almost 6' and i fall into only 5% of women. 0.001% of women are 6'4 and over
Why not have men's women and trans leagues because biowomen are being attacked and it not right
Ingram is delusional
I know for a fact this guy doesn’t even watch sports 😂
Over generalizing? Stop weee talking about 99% of the population
😂
Trans women should play with men ; after the game out your wig back on bro
they are not womne, so not
The guy who is confused is even black, he is one of us and it's even more disappointing
@Bringvineback
Ай бұрын
I mean it’s a debate over gender and transgender athletes, not race, but okay…..
Femeie only
Well this is what happens when you don't let kids access puberty blockers and hormone therapy this is what happens right here. What do you think the puberty blockers and hormones are for, TO STOP THEM FROM DEVELOPING INTO THAT!!!!
@TheNesbittExperience
11 ай бұрын
Gender dysphoria is less than 1% of people. Trans children is not ethical. We don’t have enough research or data. The brain is developing until the age of 25. The newest Swedish study is a game changer. Who you are at 18 isn’t who you’ll be at 44. Bet.
@NM-ho5qt
10 ай бұрын
You are a sick individual
My question is...why did they allow a Trans male and Trans female to compete on the same team?
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
I believe the trans man had not begun hormone therapy yet so he was unable to be qualified to compete with the men, whereas the trans woman had been on hormones for years and was medically cleared to compete ln the women's squad.
I do feel and believe 100% that trans women should be allowed to compete openly alongside biological women athletes. However, that should ONLY take place when the trans women athletes have completed 100% the medical part of their gender transition, INCLUDING SURGICAL GENDER RE-ASSIGNMENT SURGERY. Until the medical part of their transition is complete, no trans woman athlete should be allowed to compete in any form alongside biological women athletes.
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
Reassignment surgery is irrelevant but you're right about the rest, the thing is though, no trans person is trying to say otherwise. It's crazy that people genuinely believe that trans people don't go through years of hormone therapy to change their vodies. Do they really think we just wake up one day, say "I'm a woman" and then do nothing about it? 😂
@lisadunn1138
Жыл бұрын
Some trans people actually don't go through the hormone treatment.. I know a couple of people who haven't. They have changed their appearance but they haven't taken hormones either because they simply don't want to or in one case because of medical issues. They feel that who they are is about how they feel and not how they look.
@echo2413
Жыл бұрын
@@lisadunn1138 That is absolutely true and valid, I'm trans myself so i understand. However, in the case of those women who have not undergone hormone therapy, it would undoubtedly be genuinely unfair to let them compete against cisgender women unfortunately.
@sharonstevenson1770
Жыл бұрын
There should be no such thing as trans gender.its sick.
@gavinhemmerlein1241
Жыл бұрын
@@echo2413even after treatment, it's still not the same if puberty has occurred. And it's not exactly the best to do puberty blockers as well. There is plenty that can be negative, but that's between individuals and their doc. The body is a strange thing and unfortunately we can't control everything. Unfortunately.
Combine male and female sports! BOOM! Then its all gonna be about skill in strength. Period. I never understood why they were separated anyway
@scorpiothoughtsny
Жыл бұрын
When I get my period I definitely not my normal self. I played volleyball and I had the worst bleeding and cramps. I was more worried about not bleeding through my uniform. 🤌🏽 If you're a man did you play sports?
@gavinhemmerlein1241
Жыл бұрын
I think that's the inevitable decay going down the path that we are going. And it's a shame.
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
because men have a superior strength advantage against women 💀
@scorpiothoughtsny
Жыл бұрын
@Stoicmorales Isn't that what makes women attracted to a man in the first place? We love a strong man. 💪🏽
@Cosmicmorales
Жыл бұрын
@@scorpiothoughtsnyyes, women are attracted to strong men who can protect them, not overpower them like they did in the 90s.
Dude is not a representative of black people. To be honest, I am sure he is apart of the alphabet community 😂😂🌈