It's annoying that transexuals who want to compete in women's sports are acting like victims- they're not the victims in this situation, women are.

Odd you don't see women who identify as men playing at elite level.

@Escekar

Жыл бұрын

It’s because only men think they can be better at being a woman more than a female can..

Biological men should not compete against biological women in women's sports. It's not complicated, let's put an end to this inverted BS

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Say that again only louder

You can’t make everyone see you the way you see yourself. Asking everyone to participate in a lie is unfair.

Because some men are uncomfortable, women have to move over

@edwinamendelssohn5129

Жыл бұрын

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

This isn't rocket science. They should form their own team.

I'm almost 44 years on hormones & closing on 4 decades post-op. This is utter madness and should not be allowed. It's nothing more than legalized cheating in my eyes to allow a male to female trans person to compete in women's sport and no It is not being transphobic to speak out about this, It's just stating the obvious. When I was younger and used to go work out at the Gym with my late husband. I got on well with the gym owner's wife. One day she took me to one side and asked me if I was going to enter the Miss physique contest that was coming up. I said no what ever made you think that. I workout for my own benefit not to compete against others. I would not do that, it would be so unfair. That's not something I could ever do to a woman. The relief on her face was overwhelming; she was almost in tears. She said it had been worrying her for some time as we would have been in the same Height and weight class and that she had won many years running. She was 6ft tall & I was 5ft 9" just over. Today's trans people seem to be so far removed and blinkered to what being female is that they can not even empathise with a woman or see their own advantages they have over them in these areas when it comes to competing in sports. I find it hurtful and embarrassing. what it is to be transsexual as been hijacked over the decades and made a mockery of by these types that you point out. Its gone from transsexuals fixing a personal mind and body mismatch issue with one's self and then getting on with our lives unnoticed as best we can. To folk now who do not want to make any effort to be what they claim to be who actually thrive on the attention and privileges it grants them under the term transgender with all these new woke laws etc. Many are out to make others around them change their perceptions of what a woman is or fall foul of the woke policing. It is lunacy at its best. I get labelled at TERF quite often because I will not side with these folks and their crazy demands and expectations. Transsexuals should not even be lumped under the term transgender as far as i am concerned. It's not even in the same postcode. I find all this very demeaning of all I went through and suffered growing up in the 1970's and early 1980s to be happy within my own skin. My intentions and actions back then were to change myself so I could be happy within my own skin, not to force the world around me to change or pay the price. There are different definitions of the word TRANSGENDER , The most prevalent is those who are political in nature and refers to anyone who considers themselves as different in terms of sex or gender. Most transsexual persons refuse to be lumped in with the TG Community, but others like non-op TG persons see political value in working together. A transgender person is someone who deliberately lives in a way opposed to their physical sex. For example, if a person is born with female genitalia and wants to keep it, but expresses and feels that they are a boy mentally, then they are transgender. Transsexual and transgender is not the same thing as transsexual is only applicable to those born with a need to correct their genitals as best they can, while most transgender people desire to keep their original genitalia. A person is born with transsexualism, the whole idea of the surgery is to stop having transsexualism and to get on with life as if they never had the condition. For me and many of my old friends it was important to fix our mind and body mismatch ASAP and then get on with our lives. Often going stealth and only letting those who need to know about our past know. The term transgender covers a wide spectrum of different folks. Most of whom are more vocal/visible. Hence more well known by the public online and offline as they tend to go out of their way to make their presence known and felt. Where as many of use old school transsexual's the aim was to fix the issue and move on with our lives unnoticed. Many of us had to make big sacrifices like losing family members and old friends and moving to avoid publicity at times. As that for us would defeat the whole object of fixing the issues we had with ourselves in the 1st place. For us it is not a badge we wear. Just a distant unhappy memory we rather leave behind us and not dwell on. This leads to our side of the story being less heard by the public, leaving them to assuming the outspoken ones most often seen kicking off on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram & KZread etc are what its all about for all under the umbrella term transgender. Which is not the case at all. There are many of us out there in the world that can hold conversations with folk who disagree with us without resorting to branding them transphobic or getting catty and bitchy. It's a shame so many of these outspoken trans folks will brand someone transphobic at the drop of a hat yet forget it took themselves years to understand and accept their own situation. Bit hypocritical if you ask me. But hey that's what happens when what it is to be transsexual gets hijacked and turn in to a trans radical agenda/movement. It's now become a money spinner for many. It's like reality TV with a large helping of soap opera thrown in for good measure. Fed to an ever growing gullible audience grasping at straws. They have only gotten away with it for so long because transsexuals tend to avoid outing themselves as it defeats the object of fixing the mind and body mismatch in the 1st place if you're going to and broadcast that you did it. I'm older now my husband as passed away I have nothing to loose and some one needs to speak up for the genuine transsexuals and point out the difference that the transgender agenda as tried to blur. I did my SRS in the beginning of the1980s then I just got on with my life with my late husband after my surgery. So was quite shocked when after my husband sudden death 31 years later and I went searching for a Post-op Transsexual widows support group and only found the embarrassing radical transgender agenda movement crap online that only serves to make a mockery of what it is to be Transsexual and trample all over women right as if they don't even matter. Many of today's trans folk are a breed unto themselves who lack empathy for women and women's rights. I find all this shameful, embarrassing and hurtful. My advice to anyone who is planning to come out as trans, is to invest in some big girl knickers 1st and stop trampling all over women's rights.

@pricesymonej

Жыл бұрын

what a refreshing take. think you for sharing this and shading some sanity on the trans community. I understand the difference between transexual and transgender now. I see how they turned it into something its not. I feel for you and your experience, keep sharing, we care about you.

@MIN45229

Жыл бұрын

I understand and agree with you. Thank you for posting

@josephinebournes8212

Жыл бұрын

Well stated 👏🏿

@TrudyPatootie

Жыл бұрын

*Kelly what a wonderful intelligent well thought out comment.* *Thank you very much.* 💖 *You will reach so many with your voice.*

@Trypyyyy

Жыл бұрын

How is this even a topic. It baffles me that there are adult, seemingly functional people that think it's ok for someone that is born and go through puberty as a male to participate in women's sport. It's complete insanity.

This person who said they would always be viewed as a man in a dress, was hurt. Biological sex is real, a trans woman is just that a TRANS woman. You will always be a trans woman, it’s a fact. You can not be a biological woman no matter how you feel. It’s sad, it’s tragic that you have this condition if your trans and I don’t celebrate your emotional difficulties. I recognize them. However, these trans women, ie biological men, don’t respect women’s spaces and demand equality based solely on how they self identify.

So why don’t they have transgender women competing against other transgender women?? That would be a level playing field.

@jayz8839

Жыл бұрын

They want to force normal ppl to watch, the Left hate sport because it's merit based and you can't play the victim when you come second.

@justchris1869

Жыл бұрын

TransOlympics?

@Elemental_Entity

Жыл бұрын

Because the goal is to eradicate biology

@jr6200

Жыл бұрын

The numbers won't allow it. Plus the trans community insists they must be treated like real women or men

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Actually a feminine man against a feminine man

You can’t have transgender in women’s sports regardless of what goes on in their mind, their bodies are still men’s bodies. It’s not a fair competition. The reason sports are divided into men’s and women’s is because people realise women have different bodies, stamina etc and weaker compared to men. Women can never be equal to men physically because women are created differently from men and are made to do different things in life. Transgender in women’s sports means inequality to other women, they will be at a disadvantage. Stop being illogical and ridiculous.

@jr6200

Жыл бұрын

If transgenders are serious why don't they argue that the genders all compete together. Obviously, then, women would be totally eliminated from participation. If trans women can continue to play with women the same thing will eventually happen

Size, bone structure still an advance. Transgender needs a new category... Period

@derekrobinson377

Жыл бұрын

bone density, tendon strength none of these are irreversible

@bford5899

Жыл бұрын

Why would it be so horrible to compete with your biological sex? You can still identify as whatever you want. That's fair.

@DeAnnaParisRN

Жыл бұрын

There is already a category for them It’s called male.

@sisdemarloallen861

Жыл бұрын

So true give them their own sports they will be surprised people my like it

@stephenmcdonagh2795

Жыл бұрын

That's the one thing trans women will never have- period.

When Oscar Pristorius tried to join the Men's category in athletics, the other male athletes and officials called for biomechanical testing of his carbon fibre prostheses. They were found to give him an unfair advantage against Men, and so he competed within a category of para-athletics. No screaming about "amputee-phobia". This seems to be a solution for these people-a separate category where they can compete fairly against one another.

feeling like a woman is not naturally being one

Surely the clue is in the name. TransGENDER, not tranSEXUAL as it used to be called before the distinction between gender and sex filtered out into the mainstream 10 or so years ago. As the feminist around 10minutes says, let male compete against males and females compete against females. And if you don't think that's fair, why should the rules be changed to benefit the 1% over the 99%? Or to be more specific, why should 1% of males get to dominate 99% of females?

@josephinebournes8212

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

The fact that ' this needs to be talk about ' is insanity..

@sisdemarloallen861

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you

@itiswritten9423

Жыл бұрын

We are witnessing the collapse of western civilization

As a sportsman I cannot believe this issue is still rumbling around. At a professional level we have categories: Senior Men, Senior Women, U20 Men, U20 Women, Junior Men, Junior Women… see the pattern? Transgender want a category… NO PROBLEM… create one 👍

@handoromper7987

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying Trans is not a woman? Or are you saying a Trans can share a toilet with a 5-year-old girl but not compete in sports with adult women?

“How would these people treat me if they knew that I was trans….?” Uuuhhh…..you think they don’t know???

Why don't they create a transgender only option? In addition to males and females? Its the only way I see of things being fair for everyone where transgender women (and transgender men also) can still compete. I get that they see themselves as women (or men) but seeing and actually being a woman biologically is not the same. No matter how much you argue otherwise. It is still male bodies competing with female bodies and that will never be fair competition. To me this is not a complicated issue at all. Just create new categories for transgender people.

@fi-train8961

Жыл бұрын

Not enough people to compete with meaningfully.

@aleguzman16

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@wheres_bears1378

Жыл бұрын

Because we need to affirm their dysphoria at any cost

@Thinknappythoughts

Жыл бұрын

I agree. There should be a category for transgender athletes to level the playing field. As it stands in this video, it’s not fair at all.

@sarcodonblue2876

Жыл бұрын

Because the trans women want to competes against the women as they were only average male athletes and they enjoy upsetting people and taking what is not theirs.

not only an issue of fairness. there’s a whole other situation with lockerooms

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Feminised men should not dress with woman

@Primalxbeast

Жыл бұрын

I don't know why that doesn't get talked about more. I'm horrified that Lea Thomas just hung out in the women's locker room completely naked and the women on the team weren't allowed to do anything about it. What was the point of hanging out naked other than to force himself on those women?

I am a woman, you know that traditional type with a womb!! I grew up competing in the pool and athletes. If this was taken from me, while males moved into yet another arena and I could be a protected female athlete I would have felt violated. I am a woman, born a woman, with ALL of the struggles unique to women. Yes!!! Women have their struggles too. Let us have our own playing Fields. Play socially, but you are NOT women. I am not anti trans, I am anti the violation of woman's sports. I fully support what Martina Navratilova has said. You want to be respected, so do we.

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

But feminised men

Feelings are not facts. Biology is facts.

Transwoman is a real woman? I disagree but it doesn't mean im transphobic.

@kezzokav5905

Жыл бұрын

You're not disagreeing... it's a biological fact that a trans woman is not a woman.

And you know, even in the possibility that testosterone blockers took away a mans advantage in a sport (which I don't buy)...he still shouldn't compete against women, because women deserve to be able to be in spaces without men. Just as men should be able to have spaces without women. It's surely a human right to be able to gather exclusively at times, with those who are like us in some way.

@tubester4567

Жыл бұрын

Well all of mens spaces were destroyed by feminists, from boy scouts, to male schools, and various male clubs and organisations were all forced to close or accept women.

‘How would people treat me if they knew’ I’m sorry but we always know. We just have good manners and don’t say it

Solution: Trans-gender-games.

I don’t think anyone should be nasty or pick on trans women.As a born woman myself I can not understand how it has come to genuine woman being to afraid to speak up for our rights.the word woman belongs to us.It’s our birth right.we have fought long and hard for our right’s and no little girl or woman should once again be marginalised by men.men and women are different physically from shape,size, muscle,organ size like lunges.Right down to our bones.there are visible differences between male and female skeletons.life is not fair nobody ever said it was,nobody gets everything they wanted or dreamed of.so why do trans women think they can make a demand and get it by shutting women up by force?we make up 50 odd percent trans are something around 2 percent.so women have every right to speak up with out fear.to scream and brand women as transphobic is utter nonsense.men can’t infringe on women rights.What is more important being a woman or competing? They need to choose.there are to few of them to have their own sports game’s,why on earth must we as born females give up anything to born males and accommodate them.

Very interesting video. What I found fascinating was that the trans women at the beginning were quite happy when they were hearing different stories and so forth and then the minute that the female weightlifter began to present facts --indisputable facts-- regarding the gender difference of a trans woman and a woman, their faces transmorphed into angry men that were REALLY scary. IF I'm ever in the presence of a man and his face begins to look like their faces did, I get out of there real fast! I think that tells you everything you need to know ☺

This has been up 2 weeks and no comments. Women have fought to have our spaces. Its been a long hard fight. And we are still fighting for our spaces. I don't understand how some trans women feel that's its appropriate to compete against biological women. It's selfish. It's putting ones own wants above what's best for all. Rec teams are one thing. Professional sports is another.

@Del-Blanco-Diablo

Жыл бұрын

But Now you've got most straight men on your side, it's kinda good that straight men and women are on the same page for once. Hell Even the gay community is starting too but heads with the trans community it won't be long before gay community and the straight community are in agreement over trans issues.

@tetsuan25

Жыл бұрын

and yet the usually vocal feminists are quiet on this matter.

@tubester4567

Жыл бұрын

Since when did women fight for spaces? Everything was separated by sex for most of history. Women have always had female sports, women's hospitals, girls schools etc. In fact, over the last few decades all the male only spaces have been closed or forced to accept women, Like boys scouts, male schools, various male clubs and organisations, were all forced to close or accept women. I still dont think trans should compete in womens sports but this is a very recent thing.

@elenawilliams32

Жыл бұрын

Misogyny and male privilege seem to be retained through transitioning gender from male to female.

As a 52 year old transgender woman myself I just wanted to offer my personal opinion on this very challenging and divisive topic. I don't agree that trans women should compete in sports for many reasons. I will not force myself into something that I am not welcome. For me, sometimes in life there is a bitter pill to swallow and I cannot expect to have everything I want and need. The human body is only capable of so much.

I want transgender athletes to be able to play the sports they love and at the highest possible level. I also want biological women to be able to compete in their sports in a fair environment. Can these two aspirations not both be met? We must not have biological males in women's sports.

@whotookthacookie

Жыл бұрын

That's not too much to ask for.

@Zeeaall

Жыл бұрын

While I agree with you, I'm not sure what the solution is. I'd argue transitioning from male to female post puperty gives the transgender athlete an unfair advantage in almost every sport against biological women. I also don't think there are enough transgender athletes in each sport in order for them to have a separate category along side men's and women's sports - giving them their own category would likewise be an exclusion from the gender they identify with. All in all, I don't know what the solution is, but what they're currently doing definitely isn't working.

@Unconformed.RenewedDaily

Жыл бұрын

Sorry David, these two concepts cannot be achieved. The female body is an exclusive design, as is the male body. Attempting accommodate the trans community will lead only to minimizing the incredible design differences. Great question.

@fazzatubez3644

Жыл бұрын

The fact that you speak in such a conciliatory tone towards transgender people is why most of you westerners are destroying your culture and your future. Those two aspirations can never be met and the fact that you have normalized homosexuality and now people like you are acquiescing to the normalization of transgenderism shows how mad you people are

@roach52482

Жыл бұрын

Start their own league or play a man's sport that they don't suck at.

It will Never be a fair Game when Born Males compete in womens sport.

As a person used to watch American shows, I need to ask: Where is the yelling, the insults, the interruptions, the crying? Where's the DRAMA??? Great show!!!!

@DarkAngel2512

Жыл бұрын

This is how British shows used to be before we were exposed to Jerry Springer .

The fact that this discussion only plays in women-sport should tell enough. I respect their (trans) wishes, but they are not the only one with wishes. We need to balance that so everyone is feeling treated fair. The story of the female weightlifter says it all, 20 years of hard work and then (7:45) .... shocking and sickening, ridicolous, criminal.

@handoromper7987

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying Trans is not a woman? Or are you saying a Trans can share a toilet with a 5-year-old girl but not compete in sports with adult women?

I'd be more curious to hear why transmen athletes are never discussed?

@shauniiarce

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing…

@widow237

Жыл бұрын

My guess is that they can’t win against cis males. If they go thru puberty as female, they don’t have the advantages of testosterone during this time of massive growth.

@ivanleon6164

Жыл бұрын

because they dont have any advantage...

@marielamariny

Жыл бұрын

Because they barely stand a chance against men.

@Avarcirith

Жыл бұрын

We all know why, and it's just further evidence of why trans women shouldn't be in biological women's sports.

Imagine the state of all those girls that dreamed to win and here comes a dude saying “i feel like I am a girl” joins the female team and ruins everything that they have ever dreamed of.

Let's have trans men vs trans women. I wanna see something.

Caster Semenya who was born female even was excluded from the olympic games because she produced naturally high levels of testosterone. Why should former males than be included even if they still have a physical advantage over women even after lowering their testosterone. I understand the concern of these women and it has nothing to do with not accepting transgender people but there's just that biological advantage that you cannot count out in competitive sports.

When I was 15-25, there was noooo freaking way a woman could compete with me physically. I was a beast. It would not be fair if I was competing against women

Now this is how you moderate a discussion. The host is so smooth, or the participants are so civil...or both. Regardless of what your opinion is, it's nice to be able HEAR what each person is saying...I hate when ppl speak over each other. Speak w/ civility, listen charitably.

Men are not women, stop this nonsense! They can play sport but not in the women's category, end of!

The fact that it doesn't work the other way round says it all really, trans men (female to male) do terribly when they compete against men, most adult trans men can't compete against teenage boys.

“Forced to go through the wrong puberty” ….

@davidprince1138

Жыл бұрын

There will be a reckoning in about 15 years.

As a gay man. I don't believe trans women should be in women sports. To be seen as equal and welcomed then someone joining something would be seen as nothing will change but the fact a different type of person is apart of the team. However thats not the case, cause trans women will still have the strength advantage against born women. It would not be fair.

There are numerous advantages of a male physiology. Also, multiple studies have shown that HRT has very little impact on overall performance. Hips, joints, lungs, heart, fast twitch muscles, hands, height, bones. There is plenty of evidence as well as a lot of empirical evidence. Lia Thomas was ranked 600th in the male swimming sports. The track runnsers who transed were rated 300 in track, then in women;s track broke many records and won 14/15 NCAA titles.

Men presenting as women are genetically still men even if they’ve been hormonally swamped with higher levels of oestrogen. It’s a hard situation but why not have a trans male and trans female sports teams so that sis women have a reasonable chance of winning which they dont when trans women enter with physical advantages.

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

They are male chromosomes and reproductive organs make male female

I haven't heard an argument for a trans man fighting to compete in mens sport. I wonder why?

I cannot stand when transwomen say that they are women they are transwomen. Just like I can't stand when people call me a Cis female. I am a female plain and simple. Why do people like this have to make everything so complicated and take everything so personal. For anyone who is so sick of this like I am you should definitely watch Blair white.. She is a man that transition into a female a absolutely dropped dead gorgeous female i might add but she is aware that she is not a woman and that she cannot give birth and she will never call herself a woman always a transwoman. Just because you take estrogen and want to be a woman doesn't make you one. If you Do not have the reproductive organs of a woman if you have not had to go through the annoyance and pain of being on your period every month then I don't want to hear you saying that you're a woman. I have no issue with you saying that you are a transwoman.

It's sad that this is even a debate. Men are stronger than women

Loved the show, great discussion from all parties. With greatest respect to the transgender community, I do believe it will be unfair to women. The whole meaning of separation of biological genders would be lost. On a more general thought, why couldn't we have male, female and transgender version sf the sport?

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Trans woman are male

I completely sympathize with a trans woman's need to play sports and compete. I have plenty of friends that thrive with competitive sports. Having said that... we need to stop lying to ourselves that biological men that transition to women don't have an advantage. In some circles the mere suggestion that men have a physical advantage over women, get's you branded with "sexist" or "transphobe". I'm not sure what the solution is with this... I just know it shouldn't be at the expense of female sports (and spaces for that matter). Bullying people into submission in the name of inclusivity is wrong. I really do appreciate these conversations. I hope that we can figure out a mutually beneficial solution through listening to each other.

@pricesymonej

Жыл бұрын

your absolutely correct. is bullying people into inclusion really inclusion? or is it just forced tolerance?

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Males even feminine or feminised are male biology decides that

Fact you cannot change your gender ! If you want to live your life as the opposite sex go for it , but because I believe in facts not fantasy does not make me a bigot , I care that women feel safe in women only spaces and that biological women can compete against other biological women in sport at all levels not only for fairness but safety !

Larger heart and lungs, larger veins and arteries, more dense bones, bigger hands ect. And far stronger than a woman

I agree with the comment of Prof.Holly Lawford-Smith. Why should women be moved aside and their wishes not be met? Have some respect towards female athletes. You all aspire to be females, yet it seems that their concerns are dismissed. I would hope a transgender person would understand that, yet why do it to others? To answer Jade, I don’t think it's transphobic, or at least it's not the main reason. I think a biological woman would prefer the punch of a biological woman to a transgender woman. That level of pain will most definitely be different and science, something that has no bias has proven it.

@laurenjones2909

Жыл бұрын

Because it's a mans world unfortunatley I want a matriarchy 🤪😁!! I sympathise with transwomen but they must be another catergory for all trans people!

Me, I and myself, my truth, my feelings: the narcissism on steroids😒 I pun intended.

I think its interesting that the focus is on women and not women who transition into men's sports. Its a very different outcome.

This is obviously biased to left leaning arguments. It’s about how “you feel” rather than the reality of what is.

no one cares about women joining men’s sports, but do when men join women’s sports. There is a reason for that, we like our high level competitions to remain fair.

Being uncomfortable in men's changing rooms is not uncommon amongst sis-men either!

this was the most comprehensive debate i have ever seen. They brought athletes and activists into one big room regardless of opposing beliefs. you don't see enough of such things on shows like Dr Phil because the audience already has in mind a side that they are going to support and will annoyingly clap for the side that they support

They should seek out other transgenders to compete with. That would be starting the game on an equal playing field.

@handoromper7987

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying Trans is not a woman? Or are you saying a Trans can share a toilet with a 5-year-old girl but not compete in sports with adult women?

@sc3770

Жыл бұрын

I said this over and over Tammi Thank you for sharing that. Most people feeling this way yet most just sit back a act afraid. Dads wont stand up mothers wont step up and say ANYTHING. CREATE A LANE FOR THEM THE WORLD KNOW WHO THEY ARE. Lets just create a LANE

Women really are given the rough end of the stick in every aspect of life aren't they? Just another hurdle that men don't really have to deal with. These women are serious athlete and they're having their hard work spoiled by biological men playing dress up and stealing their thunder. Total BS.

Also, he feels 'uncomfortable' being in the men's changing rooms? Well, let me tell you, women feel uncomfortable with men in ours. Stay out. Take your feelings about wearing a dress and suck them up. You are not a woman.

Why are transgender men not competing in male sports? 😂😂 Oh I know why, never mind

I'm waiting for the honest Transgendered person to come forward, and say, Yo man, I still can't believe i was allowed to get in the ring and beat the hell out of women. And I was cheered on for having the strength to do it.. Bro.... I was born with that strength, and thought we were never to do that. PPFFFTTT.. Ahhh good times.. It's just common sense people, and I'm an uncommon person. What makes sense to me is uncommon. You people will believe anything if your being told It's the right thing to do. Rather than tell me no, and hurt my feelings or catch a label. You believe this to be kindness. Go ask the chick I just turned her face to hamburger how kind your thoughts are?

I am perfectly willing to refer to a sex male person as she/her if it is their preference. If you grew from a male child into a male adult and you decide to become a woman ... great. IMHO you should not be able to compete against sex female athletes. Genetically you cannot choose to change your sex or the physical development that comes with your genetic sex. I get that TRANS women want to be part of sports competing against women and I don't care. It is patently unfair and no amount of whinging about oppression or persecution will change this.

Trans women are not biological women!! We are talking about protecting and defending biological women! I sympathize with trans women, but this is ridiculous. You can simply compare the trans women and biological women sitting in that studio and see how different they are. Stop the craziness!!

This was the most productive conversation in regards to transwomen and women's sports. I personally believe that transwomen should not play in women's competitive sports. There should be a separate sporting category for trans people to play against each other when it comes to competitive sports. As for recreational sports, they can play with the sex they identify as.

@pricesymonej

Жыл бұрын

my only thing with creating a separate category for trans people is that I feel lie it would set a precedence to have to create a separate category for all sorts of medical lifestyles.....cancer patients, those people who purposely disable themselves, who knows whomever else?

Surely the answer is to have transgender sport!

@Sajith050683

Жыл бұрын

The problem is there are transgender people who understand their biology and are at terms with themselves that they are originally one sex, and then there are transgender people who say they are objectively the sex they have transitioned into. So by creating a category, you are automatically negatiing any idea that transwomen are women (in this case). I don't know the scientific nor the sociological truth or falsity of that statement.

@thecongenital3035

Жыл бұрын

Oh but they would cancel you for saying that. Even telling the truth would have you and me canceled. I'm sick of this BS. Have their own division and leave women alone in their own sport.

The women's expression @1:20, @1:26, & @1:40. Priceless 🤣

It's not a complicated issue. Males should never compete against females as it is never fair. Transwomen can play sport whenever they'd like -- just not against females.

One of the rare show/debate/discussion where most parties could speak freely without being bullying, a civilized conversation with different view. Well done!

There are Professional Men and Women Teams. Why not Transgender teams to compete against themselves!

The only real discussion point with all of this is are we willing as a society to replace Science and Bioligy with 8 Billion different humans realities which all differ and conflict eachother. Strange times.

That's really pleasant discussion to listen to, great job! In my opinion everyone can do sports for fun, but professional sports goal is to reveal who is best, who is fastest and strongest, not to be inclusive and not to be nice. There is plenty of woman who are stronger or faster of some men, but when it comes to being the best in a discipline it will always be men, therefore they can't compete together. If someone decides to transition they need to be okay with plenty of things - that they confuse people, because there are no social norms worked out yet; that they will suffer because of operations they will decide to take in order to change their looks; and that they don't fit anywhere in professional sports world, because they deliberately make themselves too weak for male competition by introducing hormone therapy, and still having too much advantages over women in female competition. In some sense this is main problem with transitioning - they transition to fit somewhere, but really they fit even less than ever. The transitioning has it's cost and it just has to be taken under consideration rather than try to charm the reality.

If "they" were actual-Real women, they wouldn't say, "Trans women." "Faux fur" is called "faux" because it's describing a product that's not actually 'Fur." It's fake fur. "Veggie burgers" are not actually "Hamburgers," ergo the prefix, "Veggie." "Trans" people aren't actually the sex they claim to be. Come on people, it's easy. It's basic biology/science. It is not about being "nice" or "not nice." It's about being LOGICAL.; Either you have two XX's or one X and one Y...and this is coming from a bi-sexual man who often dresses in women's clothes.

Cant compare golf to weightlifting.

I'm so sick of this. Stay in your lane. This is still masculine toxicity in a subliminal form. no matter how you look at it. Women are so tired of getting trampled over by men, whether they're straight, gay, transgender or transexual. It's still the need to dominate ciswomen..

I feel like a king. It's discrimination against my feelings that the queen of England and the government doesn't allow me to run Great Britain.

Why don’t trans people have their own genre in sports and every other area, why should everyone else be forced to accept someone’s else’s ways and thoughts. Toleration is a two way road. Place all trans in their own toilets, sports, clothing area etc

@handoromper7987

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying Trans is not a woman? Or are you saying a Trans can share a toilet with a 5-year-old girl but not compete in sports with adult women?

Just create a separate league that simple

Why are there no trans athletes in men's sport?

@michael9678727

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, because they will be disadvantaged

This is so stupid one or two men are inconveniencing at least 30 to 50 women this is unfair

Personally I think there is a very clear difference between community level sport on the one hand and professional/elite level sport on the other. On the community level sport is primary about staying fit, staying healthy, meeting other people, having fun. Having a community Not about winning at any cost. Transpeople should not be locked out of that. One might also notice that if transpeople can not do sport with 99% of the population that means that on this level they can not do sport. On the professional/elite level the fairness of the competition becomes much more important. You can not just identify away the advantage that male humans have over female ones in many sports. Hormone therapy reduced tha advantage. But it does not make it disapears In particular not in sports that are based on burst strenght. Like weighlifitiing and combat sports. Transmen on the other hand flood their body with testosterone which would be called doping in womens sport for any other reason. Hence I would recommend transpeople to leave professional/elite womens sport alone. And if you absolutely feel that you have to do than at least avoid combat sports. If you believe that a transwoman publically beating up a cis woman and fracturing her skull in the process(See Fallon Fox) is going to help you in your quest to fight transphobia and be accepted, then you are gravely mistaken.

Transwomen are not women. Sane trans women know this and completely accept this e.g. Blaire White.

What about the little girl who dreams of being a tennis star one day. Shes amazingly good but just cannot advance in the sport no matter how hard n long she trains because theres a male claiming hes a woman who beats her and every other player in every tournament. She gives up n thinks shes just not good enough. What about her depression. Does that not count. What about her stolen opportunities. Does she not matter. Thats EXACTLY what you are telling every little girl in the country. Why would they even bother playing any sport. Would you? I think not

People truly don’t understand how efficient and effective the male body has evolved.

Treat everyone equally. Don't hesitate to call out the stupidity, horrendous claims, insulting people's bad character is not transphobic, Misogynistic nor misandrist. Keep it at 100%👍 Who ever says otherwise, is hands down sexist, period

Finally found people who talk about this issue

@RowBlanka

Жыл бұрын

people have been talking about this for years now, dont you worry.

So where are the trans men athletes competing in male sports? Simply because they will fail dismally

Finally, an incredibly thought-provoking and balanced view of this topic covering a range of perspectives, life experience, biological, and sociological points of view. I am sure some of the comments made were painful to those on either side of the debate, but what incredible restraint and respect shown by all involved to try to arrive at better understanding and better policy moving forward. This is well worth anyone’s time trying to better inform themselves on this very controversial topic.

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Because feelings masc and femininity is not biological

We segregate sports by SEX, not gender. As these folks have been already competing in their sexually segregated sport, why can’t they just continue in the category that aligns biologically? Doesn’t seem like all that difficult of a problem.

There should be Trans sports. That would be the fair route..

reduce testosterone does NOT change acquired advantages. Of course the male looking trans would say they are weaker but they can still outperform FEMALES

There is NO such thing as a Trans woman or man! You are a woman or a man period! Dressing differently or altering your sexual bits will never ever change that!

"why is always women?" i was surprised that it took almost the end of the video to somebody say that, damn.

Wow, you guys allow comments now!!!!! I miss Jenny Brockie but still love the show. Thank you ❤️❤️

As a former athlete and coach I’m curious as to why no one ever talks about trans men competing against biological men and why aren’t there any trans men dominating physical athletics against biological men????

@Harlowerayne

Жыл бұрын

Us transmen do not have time for such "Look at me!" foolishness. We are busy caring for ourselves, our loved ones, and our communities.

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

The fact that feelings femininity don’t make a female chromosomes and female reproductive organs do

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Because masculine woman cannot complete against men

The show was so good. Many different opinions, in depth answers, respectfull, journalistic ethics(.i.e they mention people who they ask for comments ,but declined) and more. Great watch! 👌

They have a massive advantage and should not compete against women. I've heard countless times a transwoman smashes competition yet somehow accomplished nothing as a man for decades 🤣. Its not just testosterone, men have multiple other advantages. The "train harder line" really pissed me off. That fat dude sucked thats why you beat him, no amount of training would allow the top woman to beat the top man FACT. Give the worlds fastest woman elite training and steroids for 5 years, she still won't beat bolts record. Its like saying a lion just needs to train harder to beat a cheetah in a race 🤦‍♂️. A lioness won't out muscle a male lion, its not a fair fight.