Shirley Manson on Body Image, Fetishizing the 90s, and the Genius of Beyoncé: Q&As w/ KTB

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In the first episode of this new series, Noisey editor and producer Kim Taylor Bennett sits down with Garbage's Shirley Manson, fresh from releasing their sixth album 'Strange Little Birds,' Ever the candid, forthright interviewee, Manson opens about everything from trolling to turning 50, the evolution of her relationship with her body, to the unflinching majesty of Beyoncé's 'Lemonade.' And that's just the start.
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  • @colorsmith5569
    @colorsmith55697 жыл бұрын

    She is fucking awesome. I need to follow her immediately. I love how she isn't ashamed of getting older. That is such a healthy attitude. Her music is also amazing, but that goes without saying.

  • @raigresham1298

    @raigresham1298

    7 жыл бұрын

    She was one of my crushes in Jr. High. She's always been this awesome and outspoken.

  • @DavidDatura

    @DavidDatura

    7 жыл бұрын

    She was one of my crushes for many a year too.

  • @tedbishop567
    @tedbishop5677 жыл бұрын

    I love interviews with Shirley Manson. She's one of the most intelligent and articulate people in music. And funny. Thanks for uploading this!

  • @user-yj5fe4fw8p

    @user-yj5fe4fw8p

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes +

  • @richardds9

    @richardds9

    3 жыл бұрын

    I second that. She’s an amazing woman.

  • @lern2swim
    @lern2swim7 жыл бұрын

    Shirley Manson's laugh is an amazing thing.

  • @randomcrap4230
    @randomcrap42306 жыл бұрын

    She is so fucking charming. Every interview I watch, she is just so open and honest and down to earth and engaging. We need more Shirley Mansons in this world.

  • @WILD__THINGS
    @WILD__THINGS7 жыл бұрын

    What an icon. Way underrated and underappreciated.

  • @ariesdelfuego

    @ariesdelfuego

    6 жыл бұрын

    WILD THINGS trew

  • @juliavilla8088

    @juliavilla8088

    5 жыл бұрын

    because people are intimidated, by a strong women warrior that is never a afraid to speak her mind. Hats off to you Mrs Mason, the world needs more people like you!!

  • @RogerBarraud

    @RogerBarraud

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mostly by herself, from the sound of it :'(

  • @webseiter
    @webseiter7 жыл бұрын

    She's great! I was a teenager when the 90s arrived. When I first heard and saw Garbage on MTV it was mindblowing. I did not know then women existed that are so confident, articulate, strong - and sexy in a very different way that I know women (Yeah, but what do you know about women as a teenager?). She's one of my female icons in music, together with women such as Dolores O'Riordan, Kim Gordon, Björk and ... harrumph ... Susanna Hoffs.

  • @bengunns9500
    @bengunns95004 жыл бұрын

    If Girls need a role model Shirley is a good one.

  • @LastariOo
    @LastariOo7 жыл бұрын

    OMG I could literally listen to Shirley talk for hours. Everything she says is interesting. I dont think she could ever be boring.

  • @UltraViolet666
    @UltraViolet6667 жыл бұрын

    Shirley is phenomenal. she talks so genuine but deep and omg I really aspire to be like her. I wanna think about everything the way she does tbh

  • @dovaken5525
    @dovaken55257 жыл бұрын

    "I'm not gonna let the trolls get me down." AWESOME

  • @etherealdreamerart
    @etherealdreamerart4 жыл бұрын

    I have nothing but respect for Ms. Shirley. She is a legend and a strong person. Hats off to her.

  • @JohnSmith-qn3ob

    @JohnSmith-qn3ob

    Жыл бұрын

    Ms.? I think you mean Mrs. She's married.

  • @etherealdreamerart

    @etherealdreamerart

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JohnSmith-qn3ob Okay. Your point?

  • @JohnSmith-qn3ob

    @JohnSmith-qn3ob

    Жыл бұрын

    @@etherealdreamerart My point? My point is a married woman is called "Mrs". That should have been self explanatory.

  • @etherealdreamerart

    @etherealdreamerart

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JohnSmith-qn3ob How about I don't care. Didn't know she was married and not changing now because it bothers you just because. Be gone.

  • @JohnSmith-qn3ob

    @JohnSmith-qn3ob

    Жыл бұрын

    @@etherealdreamerart It doesn't bother me, I was just correcting you because you were wrong. Also you cared enough to comment.

  • @DavidDatura
    @DavidDatura7 жыл бұрын

    Every time I see an interview with her, I'm impressed all over again at what a great lady she is. The ultimate Rock chick in my opinion. Oh and she has a great analogue sound system in that room, especially the valve amp and speakers...I'm a bit of HiFi geek.

  • @MagnumEvolved

    @MagnumEvolved

    7 жыл бұрын

    if she is the penultimate who is the last?

  • @MagnumEvolved

    @MagnumEvolved

    7 жыл бұрын

    i think your definition of penultimate isn't the general definition! haha

  • @DavidDatura

    @DavidDatura

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yep got my definition wrong...its corrected now.

  • @hulkhatepunybanner

    @hulkhatepunybanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's the brogue.

  • @richardds9

    @richardds9

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thought I was the only one noticing the speakers!😄

  • @luna7235
    @luna72357 жыл бұрын

    DAMMMMM SHIRLEY LOOKS SO FUCKING GOOOOOOOD FOR TURNING 50!!!! its shocking that she's turning 50, she look no where close to 50!

  • @jimspace
    @jimspace7 жыл бұрын

    man i picked up first Garbage album in 1998 when i was 9. fan ever since. lots of love for Shirley

  • @aaronmcbryer3980

    @aaronmcbryer3980

    7 жыл бұрын

    Same year for me, except I was 5 and was watching them on MTV, couldn't buy my own albums at that point.

  • @haywarddaryl
    @haywarddaryl7 жыл бұрын

    One of the best interviews I've ever seen

  • @Fattydeposit

    @Fattydeposit

    7 жыл бұрын

    Like many, I fancied the shit out of Shirley Manson. To use modern parlance, I would've hit it raw and never pulled out.

  • @acarlovonsexron1994

    @acarlovonsexron1994

    7 жыл бұрын

    Look up more interviews with her, she's really profound and a badass, especially as time goes on.

  • @ladyblazette

    @ladyblazette

    7 жыл бұрын

    try watching/listening to Howard Stern.. he's the best in my opinion. not sure who you're into but just listened to a Sandra Bernhard interview (she's been on many times), she's amazing, of course a ton or musicians, comics, actors, etc. Gwen, Courtney and Madonna (Gwen and Madonna have been in the more recent years) the interviews are like 2 hour-long, in depth and personal... he's gained the respect he did not always have as has shifted his focus on these interviews. it's a rarity to have people of this caliber open up about almost everything. As a fan of his in general I notice this evolution... definitely recommend!

  • @gustamanavo
    @gustamanavo7 жыл бұрын

    Why so many dislikes? What a great interview!

  • @MrCoopersonic

    @MrCoopersonic

    7 жыл бұрын

    Apart from dumb personal insults ... anything else you're capable of sayin'?

  • @rupertbaxter2274

    @rupertbaxter2274

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's probably that whole "crushing testicles until they bleed" thing.

  • @PerryPapanier

    @PerryPapanier

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rupertbaxter2274 like the music but not her politics n tired of hearing how bad women have it. Let alot a famous one.

  • @winterlynn9012

    @winterlynn9012

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PerryPapanier Exactly. As a woman myself I'm sick of hearing about how bad we supposedly have it. It makes us all sound bad. Its especially laughable coming from someone as famous and privileged as Shirley.

  • @damndemn
    @damndemn7 жыл бұрын

    i hope i can look that good when i'm 50. teach me your ways, Shirley!

  • @Wyatt422
    @Wyatt4225 жыл бұрын

    Love Shirley Manson! I got to see her in concert in a small venue in the 90's. Best concert I've ever been to!

  • @Lanedude08
    @Lanedude086 жыл бұрын

    She's an international treasure. There's no discussion, that's just how it is.

  • @juniorsutereo
    @juniorsutereo4 жыл бұрын

    4: 50 Androgyny and Cherry Lips were playing non stop on MTV, I didn't know you felt like you were failing then.

  • @bshays21
    @bshays214 жыл бұрын

    I still to date listen to Garbage on a weekly basis. Love every album. They've stuck to their sound perfectly. Always had hoped for at least one single between Gwen and Shirley.

  • @dkelban
    @dkelban7 жыл бұрын

    She is such an impressive person : massive personal growth

  • @christianpomrenski3578
    @christianpomrenski35787 жыл бұрын

    That was a great interview Kim. You asked the right questions. Shirley is such an interesting individual to listen to. Thanks.

  • @herrottenheart
    @herrottenheart7 жыл бұрын

    Courtney? As in Courtney love? Aww that's so sweet from Shirley. Courtney gets so much shit in the media just because she is honest with who she is.and the things you see are part of her defense mechanism. This was a great interview

  • @SerialGothQueens

    @SerialGothQueens

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes; she's talking about Courtney Love. Shirley's been a champion of hers for many, many years.

  • @karlafragoso320

    @karlafragoso320

    4 жыл бұрын

    Courtney's life's a mess and she carries on, I admire her.

  • @Alyn08
    @Alyn087 жыл бұрын

    What started from curiosity of her outspokenness, honesty, and fearlessness became amazement of it all. It's awesome to see her pressing on through the hate and negativity, and still do what she loves.

  • @Noisey
    @Noisey7 жыл бұрын

    In the series debut of Q&As; With KTB, Noisey editor Kim Taylor-Bennett sits down with legendary Garbage frontwoman and feminist icon Shirley Manson.

  • @wobblysauce

    @wobblysauce

    7 жыл бұрын

    She looks tired.

  • @perspicaciouscritic

    @perspicaciouscritic

    7 жыл бұрын

    @ Noisey, That word, "legendary": so overused these days.

  • @aerialkate

    @aerialkate

    7 жыл бұрын

    No, she's just not had a facelift. She's had nothing done. She looks fine to me, she's a fifty year old woman.

  • @hulkhatepunybanner

    @hulkhatepunybanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure why "sexism" has testicles.

  • @AngelaRyanXX

    @AngelaRyanXX

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yeah we need more testicles in the music world.

  • @ladyblazette
    @ladyblazette7 жыл бұрын

    how the fuck is she 50!?

  • @MikeHermetic

    @MikeHermetic

    7 жыл бұрын

    Must've been born 50 years ago.

  • @ladyblazette

    @ladyblazette

    7 жыл бұрын

    I get it now! she looks much younger arse, you get that eh?

  • @ladyblazette

    @ladyblazette

    7 жыл бұрын

    my moms Scottish, don't need a crash course... there are tanning beds, sun, unhealthy foods, drugs, etc. pretty much everywhere. she obviously takes good care of herself and has the money to do so. the American aesthetic is totally different than European lifestyle, my moms got red-hair looks quite a bit younger. I was a massive fan of Garbage at 10-11, one of the first shows I saw, so it's a big jarring that almost 20 years has flashed by so quickly.

  • @KaiDecadence

    @KaiDecadence

    7 жыл бұрын

    She obviously does take care of herself and even more, she hasn't buckled down to getting plastic surgeries on her face which probably helped as well. Plus the fact, she still dresses the way she wants to, pink hair and all. I feel like that can help retain a youthful fire as well.

  • @Clariccy

    @Clariccy

    7 жыл бұрын

    a different generation

  • @mishastone
    @mishastone7 жыл бұрын

    One of the coolest girls ever.

  • @ikaroshalloumi1902
    @ikaroshalloumi19027 жыл бұрын

    Great interview. Thanks. I felt myself so connected to her and her energy, I love the way she is growing up.

  • @timgilbert9130
    @timgilbert91307 жыл бұрын

    How can this interviewer not know Shirley's Birthday. It's her 50th Birthday she's going to ask her about and she didn't do the research?

  • @DidixGil
    @DidixGil4 жыл бұрын

    She's so fucking amazing. I can't. I've admired her ever since I was little.

  • @speakerffone
    @speakerffone7 жыл бұрын

    This is an absolutely fantastic video, thank you Noisey! Kudos to BTB and Shirley - you are inspirations!!

  • @Vivalarosa45
    @Vivalarosa457 жыл бұрын

    Shirley Manson is my fucking idol. Much love.

  • @gustavocubias841
    @gustavocubias841 Жыл бұрын

    Omg I LOVE this woman, so insightful, so honest, so full of life! Perfect interview!

  • @jrockn77
    @jrockn777 жыл бұрын

    Was never the biggest Garbage fan growing up, but she is a classy, elegant, and wonderful talent that you can't help but admire.

  • @frankstanks4399
    @frankstanks43997 жыл бұрын

    This report is awesome, well thought out and put together. Couldn't have wished for a better throwback doc on a band that deserves it.

  • @van_creative
    @van_creative7 жыл бұрын

    Shirley is beyond awesome. She's always been herself and true to music and I love hearing about her views on this crazy industry

  • @CanyonWanderer
    @CanyonWanderer3 жыл бұрын

    Great interview, I so much love people who are so open and straightforward, WYSIWYG! If I cycle in the rain (being in the Netherlands, that is about to happen, a little less now due to covid), I always have "I'm only happy when it rains" in my head and frequently sing that aloud when cycling. It's been in my head among other great Garbage songs ever since witnessing Garbage Live on Pinkpop and Werchter festivals. One of my 90's? big influences

  • @moondustlisa4164
    @moondustlisa41643 жыл бұрын

    She's so genuine and real, just love her 🤘♥️

  • @layla77uk
    @layla77uk4 жыл бұрын

    Great interview!

  • @staythesame709
    @staythesame7097 жыл бұрын

    Shirley is my idol in way that.. I mean, look at she in 50, she paints her hair in bright colors and wears cool clothes at concerts, she has a cool figure and she still make music and give a show. She is an example of the fact that a man can be a bright person and live a bright life even in 50 years. In my country(Russia) I can't even imagine seeing a man at least 30 years old with pink hair on the street.....Our mentality does not understand the external expression of the inner world, and it's very sad sometimes. .. Anyway, Shirley shows that you always can be yourself. She still has her inimitable style, her mind and her charm and I love it all in her.

  • @Lushy260
    @Lushy2607 ай бұрын

    Great interview!!!

  • @raym.778
    @raym.7784 жыл бұрын

    I love Shirley. I don't often listen to her interviews, but when I do I always love them. She has a relatively unique thought process.

  • @thomasosborne8165
    @thomasosborne81657 жыл бұрын

    Not do be demeaning or anything, but her hair made me want Strawberry Nesquik.

  • @freeman2399
    @freeman23995 жыл бұрын

    90's best music period.

  • @diegogranados9283
    @diegogranados92834 жыл бұрын

    this is so enjoyable to watch...

  • @fartofbutter
    @fartofbutter7 жыл бұрын

    wow! i never listened to an interview with Shirley before, this is pretty amazing. She is intelligent and super likeable.

  • @DanY-gx2dv
    @DanY-gx2dv7 жыл бұрын

    I love her so much.

  • @philg6757
    @philg67577 жыл бұрын

    Still smokin and great interview.

  • @missnotofthisworld7469
    @missnotofthisworld74696 жыл бұрын

    I love Shirley Manson!

  • @rosegoldboi8103
    @rosegoldboi81033 жыл бұрын

    I love how she's still Budd with Gwen Stefani! ❤️🖤 I hope they perform together again someday

  • @ladyblazette
    @ladyblazette7 жыл бұрын

    awesome... I love her. one of my first albums 12 years old saw them in concert. Shirley is so enthralling and badass. My moms Scottish which was another connection for me. Great to hear her now greater to have got to experienced them as a young girl.

  • @Smashrgrl
    @Smashrgrl7 жыл бұрын

    She's been a role model and an idol of mine since the beginning of her career. What a fantastic interview.

  • @ShakespearesBruv
    @ShakespearesBruv4 жыл бұрын

    She is utterly fantastic.

  • @cyrhiugf
    @cyrhiugf3 жыл бұрын

    What a charming and talented woman

  • @mrqs1549
    @mrqs15497 жыл бұрын

    SHE LOOKS SO GOOD!

  • @luna7235
    @luna72357 жыл бұрын

    I have loved shirley manson and garbage every since I was in highschool! I used to have a wall completly covered inch by inch in posters of shirley! she will always be an idol to me!

  • @katherinekier
    @katherinekier7 жыл бұрын

    she's so wonderful.

  • @Rosesyoutube
    @Rosesyoutube7 жыл бұрын

    Great interviewer, Great interviewee.

  • @HannaHannabelle

    @HannaHannabelle

    7 жыл бұрын

    agree. I wish I was in the scene somehow. even as the carpet. hah!

  • @adrianaangulo4998
    @adrianaangulo49983 жыл бұрын

    She's so amazing, I love her!! strong, smart, REAL woman

  • @MattDamon2299
    @MattDamon22993 жыл бұрын

    Knowledge is power. True. Very true. I can tell Shirley wanted to say more. I like thinking about what that could be.

  • @mariabarcelo6509
    @mariabarcelo65097 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed this far more than I expected. I was never a big fan of Garbage, but she is a super cool and interesting woman.

  • @MZucco
    @MZucco7 жыл бұрын

    what a beautiful person. Shirley you're excellent. Keep doing your good thing xx

  • @oaasun3451
    @oaasun34517 жыл бұрын

    "not pretty enough"??? what? are they blind?!

  • @GabrielCastellarTV
    @GabrielCastellarTV7 жыл бұрын

    Love her!!!

  • @Nubianette
    @Nubianette7 жыл бұрын

    A very good interview with a great woman! Plus, she's my age and I also enjoy adding the years on. More years, more fun (at least for now)! ;)

  • @snickcageSnickSage7346
    @snickcageSnickSage73467 жыл бұрын

    Shirley Mason Been Bae!!! I Love Her dawwg i swear, Shirley if You See This Thank You, Fucking Love "Medication"

  • @trashtvinternational
    @trashtvinternational7 жыл бұрын

    I Like her attitude!!

  • @Ratcity69
    @Ratcity69 Жыл бұрын

    I'm am so happy Shirley spoke up/defended Kourtney Love. I love her as much as I do Shirley!!!

  • @bionic7252
    @bionic7252 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like I'm always learning something new, when she speaks

  • @baltuss76
    @baltuss762 жыл бұрын

    She's so positive energy!

  • @pabloiglesias220
    @pabloiglesias2205 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @rolandmarckwort
    @rolandmarckwort Жыл бұрын

    Shirley is a powerhouse - long live Shirley!!

  • @ChristinaGina
    @ChristinaGina7 жыл бұрын

    This is one tough cookie. lovvvvvvve her

  • @rodrigoarayabarraza7884
    @rodrigoarayabarraza78845 жыл бұрын

    Ella es lo mas hermoso de este mundo te amo shirley manson

  • @bluetickgamer
    @bluetickgamer6 ай бұрын

    If I ever met Shirley I would do everything possible to make her laugh. She has the best laugh ever ❤

  • @DenisUSA
    @DenisUSA Жыл бұрын

    Queen

  • @Smashrgrl
    @Smashrgrl7 жыл бұрын

    Can you all fix the closed captioning? It doesn't match what's spoken. Thanks!

  • @juniorsutereo
    @juniorsutereo4 жыл бұрын

    6:58 I'm not cutting myself but I am definetly hurting myself and it's so great to hear this fucking tunnel is not infinite. ☺ Thanks.

  • @yb32
    @yb326 жыл бұрын

    why did the world didn't want to hear their music after 9/11? I wish she would talk more about that.

  • @mattgray871

    @mattgray871

    4 жыл бұрын

    I know In the US there was a blacklist of music that radio stations refused to play because it was deemed provocative or had "provocative titles" e.g burning down the house by the talking heads

  • @jameshannah5965
    @jameshannah59657 жыл бұрын

    legend

  • @armorgiraffe
    @armorgiraffe7 жыл бұрын

    She is great.

  • @shocked1991
    @shocked19915 жыл бұрын

    She is fantastic.

  • @__-re7rb
    @__-re7rb6 жыл бұрын

    Always utterly baffling to me when I hear artists who wrote their own music, praise pop stars.

  • @RonFurvell-lw2du
    @RonFurvell-lw2du3 ай бұрын

    She always elstes a genuine warm smile.If I ran into her somewhere ,I would look at her with a head tilt and it wouldn't be cliche and I would just grin like she knew me and I would just carry on after saying you're excellent thanks for not getting a job. Hope it doesn't sound weird but she's special. thanks Shirley

  • @KingoRichie1990
    @KingoRichie19904 жыл бұрын

    Kim Taylor Bennett, the interviewer, where have I seen her before?

  • @joseardzm
    @joseardzm7 жыл бұрын

    Great interview, but Girl, you messed it up with her age, and birth date, She was born on August 26, 1966.

  • @richardds9

    @richardds9

    3 жыл бұрын

    Two days after my birthday! No wonder I lover so much! We’re both Virgos!!❤️❤️❤️

  • @mercedessanroman8264
    @mercedessanroman82645 жыл бұрын

    What a genius.

  • @kareybarey13
    @kareybarey135 жыл бұрын

    I'm going to see Garbage tonight in Santa Monica, but first I must dye my hair powder pink!!

  • @user-vt5du5cv3g
    @user-vt5du5cv3g4 жыл бұрын

    Шикарная группа, шикарная Ширли, а песня эмпти лучшая!

  • @user-yj5fe4fw8p
    @user-yj5fe4fw8p4 жыл бұрын

    Very beautiful, interesting and humorous woman. Nice to see Shirley. As always perfectly looks, jokes. Love her voice, big eyes, red hair and temperament.

  • @southwestbleach
    @southwestbleach4 жыл бұрын

    To ( the three of) us down here she's 'Big Shirley', we love her, her music, and that she also speaks out is of unseen value for every human who does not have a platform. We were to criticise or at least slightly distance ourselves on her 7 seconds about Courtney Love, at times we think it's almost like putting a good word out for a corrupt politician, but we walked away from thinking anything, and we guess Shirley Manson might be kind of aware anyway. Shirley has her reasons to put a better word out for C. Love. We respect her - Shirley Manson as someone of who we think has real reasons - which she has thought over before she speaks them out. The whole entire rest of this interview is (to us)one of the few of artist interviews worth listening to more than once.

  • @iloveyoulawliet179

    @iloveyoulawliet179

    3 жыл бұрын

    What's wrong with Courtney Love? Did she do something?

  • @southwestbleach

    @southwestbleach

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@iloveyoulawliet179 yes, after all record is she manipulates by telling a different story each time - and is physically violent when she doesn't get the attention she wants. She should have continued with her early lyrics talent - but instead became corrupt on all levels to get into fam light. // I understand if you'd want some links - i only just read your comment comming back from work - 3 min time for net and emails. But Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth for example wrote down what others only remember in their heads, try Kim Gordon's 'Girl In A Band', chapter ..(? 32) .. on Courtney Love. Fame doesn't justify to get justified on anything. Money doesn't either.

  • @isabelbelem9062

    @isabelbelem9062

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@southwestbleach and she is a style stealer

  • @richardgarciaiii2246
    @richardgarciaiii22464 жыл бұрын

    is anyone else falling in love with Kim T Bennett? Love intelligent, understated women. Oh, and Shirley's great too.

  • @oportunismopoetico5911
    @oportunismopoetico59117 жыл бұрын

    I fucking love this woman.

  • @pipercraven-zd9ui
    @pipercraven-zd9ui20 күн бұрын

    She is beyond cool.

  • @MayaZalbidea
    @MayaZalbidea5 жыл бұрын

    Shirley Manson, apart from being an alternative powerful singer, she is an intelligent and feminist woman, I like her.

  • @artynotreally
    @artynotreally7 жыл бұрын

    i fucking love garbage ah

  • @user-vt5du5cv3g
    @user-vt5du5cv3g4 жыл бұрын

    Приятно было узнать что две мои любимцы подруги!

  • @vishmonster
    @vishmonster7 жыл бұрын

    >sexism exists >but not enough to effect me ever

  • @nachogoatcheese1761

    @nachogoatcheese1761

    3 жыл бұрын

    She said she didnt let it stop her ever. Not that it didnt effect her ever.

  • @PeterGrenader
    @PeterGrenaderАй бұрын

    Kim Taylor Bennett: The key ingredient of quality journalism is getting things right. You managed to get it wrong in your first sentence: Loz Feliz is pronounced Los FEE-lez, not Los fe-LEASE. Details matter

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