One of the best looking Romulan ships ever build. 👍

Funny how the Romulans basically back-stabbed their ally just to field-test a prototype Warbird, and were still able to integrate Klingon tech into their ships for a while afterwards. Makes me think that the Earth-Romulan alliance of the dominion war is just one of convenience.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Certainly make sense for the romulans.

@mustlovedragons8047

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that was cannon already.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

@@mustlovedragons8047 kinda sorta.

@mustlovedragons8047

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well... with the Romulans they don't descide untill _after_ they've back-stabbed you. ;)

@mattosullivan9687

Жыл бұрын

Any alliance with a Romulan is just convenient, with the Klingons you gain respect with Honor, with the Vulcans, by reason, with the Ferengi by profit. The Romulans only deal in Self Interest

I imagine after it's refit, the Winged Defenders could fly circles around the Jem' Hadar Attack Ships.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite it's still a lot bigger than a jem'hadar fighter. Similar size to a miranda.

B'Rel vs Winged Defender. Yes the Romulans have the sexier bird.

I played the game back then. I loved reading the FASA ship manuals.

As I understand it, in one of the script versions of ST III, Kruge steals the Bird of Prey from the Romulans. Then heads off to Genesis. I think the idea was to establish Kruge as a badass and worthy opponent for Kirk. But the design was originally a Romulan ship not Klingon.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but fortunately they changed that since the BOP fits better as a klingon design.

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462

2 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Anderson Waitaminnit. Are you THE Kevin Anderson who helped Brian Herbert write the Dune expanded universe? I don't know of too many other people with that name. Lol.

@phluphie

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 I ain’t sayin’ that I am and I ain’t sayin’ that I ain’t.

Can we also appreciate the fact that the Winged Defender actually looks like a very pissed off and deadly bird of prey. Like a actual bird.

Another great video Venom!!👍 I never get tired of Romulans, that’s how I became interested in your channel in the first place!

I remember getting those FASA games when I was a kid. And that ship the Winged Defender was my favorite.

Fantastic! Probably my all time favorite Romulan design. Years ago when I had a copy of the FASA game, many great battles were fought. Winged Defender vs Constitution and Enterprise class vessels. She didn’t always win, but she put up one hell of a fight every time. Glorious hull form. Beautiful ship, probably the finest (visually, imho) design to ever fly off a Romulan space dock. Thanks for this chat.

What you are not seeing. I have this model on the shelf right next to a refit Constitution. Those wings are huge! Almost as thick as the secondary hull on the Connie. Each wing is about the length of that hull, but much wider. The central body and the "head" are smaller than the Connie saucer, but the overall mass is greater. And most of that extra mass is probably engine. This is a heavy cruiser in the movie era, and comparing it to the Connie, D-7, and D-10, it is the largest.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on which model you look at. And even if the wings are thick I doubt they are habitable.

FASA's Starship Combat Simulator board game tied in with Star Trek II and predates Star Trek III. They released an update with new ships for Star Trek III. I'm almost positive that I remember the Winged Defender being part of the original game.

@RobertWilke

Жыл бұрын

It was.

@cranetech71

Жыл бұрын

Yes it was a part of the original game, although it had a slightly different design.

Extremely cool. Maybe a bit too on the nose with the bird metaphor in side profile, but look at it. :) Oh, btw, I'm pretty sure FASA Trek was around in the early 80s, I forget when, but their movie supplements for ST III and IV were essential stuff, and fancier printings. :)

I love the Wing-ED Defen-Der! :)

Wing-edd! 🤣 oi luv ow bout a spot a tea! 🤣🤣🤣

Of the big 3 powers of the 23rd century the Romulans in a form of poetic irony get the least amount of limelight for their ships. It is enjoyable to see more of them. Regarding the Winged Defender, it is a very skeletal design, though it clearly shows itself to be Romulan.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

But most 23rd century ships are pretty skeletal

@occultatumquaestio5226

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 ; I mean skeletal as far as most Romulan designs go. The T'liss and most other 23rd century Romulan vessels are relatively meaty (metaly?).

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

@@occultatumquaestio5226 fair point. the main thing to bear in mind is that those chunkier ships were also much slower.

FASA had some amazing designs and I LOVE the V-30, but I still liked Starfleet Battles better.

I so love this ship.

i used to play this game and yeah i’m amazed at how well this ship design has remained in our minds

23rd century romulan designs were the best..... 😁

I fell in love with the Draconarius from Star Trek Armada, so when I saw it was based off the Winged Defender, I squeed

Nice job! I always loved this design. I see that you used my old sprite of the winged defender in all of your diagrams. Thanks for always using community images. It’s nice to see that you are a big fan like many of us.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Great job on the sprite. The orange tint to the feathers is a nice touch

Your awesome dude and awesome video be safe out there ❤😎👍

So would you consider the Winged (Wing-ed) Defender be more like a heavy destroyer over a cruiser? It hunts and kills larger targets while punching well above its weight, much like a Defiant.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the period. By the dominion war its a destroyer. But in its day it kinda fits in as a light cruiser.

Did i spot a winged defender in strange new worlds. ? I thought so

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Similar but not quite.

Nice. Love these designs from FASA. I hope they all become Canon.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe not all. Some are kinda awkward

@chrissonofpear1384

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 The Keith class... Worst, Federation, starship, design - in history. And in FASA.

Venom geek and the winged defender sitting in a tree, K.I.S.S.I.N.G........🤣🤣🤣. Sorry mate lol.

A fun ship in Legacy

I would love this ship in STO.

Cheers

Soon, SOON, the Nova Z-1 (and maybe the Z-2/3 upgrades) will rise from the Wings of Romulus... Sooooooon

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Soooon

@Sephiroth144

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 At least I'm consistent ;-p

I know that the valdore is a "warbird" but i think that it is more of bird of prey than a cruiser. a response to your idea that the v-30 is the last bird of prey design.

i could be wrong but i thought the winged defender or-dates the Klingon bird of prey

Hey Venom, you may not have noticed but the Winged Defender kinda looks like a bird from certain angles. If you stare really hard you can almost make out an ospery reaching it's feet down as it dives. It's like a friggin Voltron villain in the shape of a squid or a clam or something. Giant robots wouldn't ever look like that. This is just like Justin Beeber. Everyone looooves Justin Beeber. I don't get it. Or Hawaiian Rolls. They're too sweet! But every damn time there's a cookout all I hear is 'get Hawaiian Rolls, get Hawaiian Rolls.' And if I get Brioche which is clearly better they look at me like I took a dead cat out of the grocery bag. The Winged Defender is exactly like that: A giant Justin Beeber robot clam Hawaiian Roll. And you can take that to the bank.

Excellent video, will there be a Dominion War Recap video for July?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yep on sunday

Correction need to be made... Variable wing position was created by the Romulans, then sold to the Klingons...

FASA had a lot of good material, which Starfleet Battle used.

Oh eaglemoss, I hope you're paying attention... oh right ch 11. Hey game print, I hope you're paying attention.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Someday...

@jasonwhite7905

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 game print is actually reasonably priced. 4 inche models are about $22. 5 in are $30. 9 are $155 and 1f is $350. Fully colored with custom decals. I'm looking forward to a federation Excalibur class with my own personal registry.

This ship is perfect for escort the big Warbirds

Going on the TOS constitution classification of Battlecruiser, I'd probably put the classification of the V-30 as a Panzerschiffe (Pocket battleship). Its fast and over gunned but comparatively small and vulnerable to damage in a prolonged battle. I am using the term pocket battleship very broadly because the V-30 was absolutely way to small to be considered a battleship, but its probably the best fitting for its size and firepower in that Era. It could fill the role of light cruiser and it is flexible enough to do that, but I'd say its firepower and large silhouette (from the top anyway) is enough to get it designated a Panzerschiffe. But by the dominion war it will have been degraded a lot, easily put down to a light cruiser at the least but more likely a destroyer. Its: manoeuvrability, speed and work has a hunter killer is very different from normal Romulan doctrine of overwhelming firepower comes out of nowhere and ruins your day like the D'deridex. Its probably so iconic in Beta Canon because of that unique niche that it fills and has a beautiful design to compliment it. Plus its bare bones design does go with future Romulan designs which retain that massive silhouette but are actually quite skeletal. TLDT: Romulan defender good

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah although its also illustrative of the state of the romulan fleet in this period which was much weaker than the TNG fleet.

The BOP in ST3 was romulan used by klingons.

Venom Geek, has anyone speculated as to what a kind of Romulan ships would be designed past the Mogai and Kerchan had the Romulus/Remus' star hadn't exploded?

@venomgeekmedia9886

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure there are flying wing designs which look very advanced. Might be something to consider

Chipshat

Could you do a detailed video on warp field geometry? Particularly how hull shape and engine placement (ie how much of what part of the field the ship actually fills up) affect speed/maneuverability/fuel efficiency et etc?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I should clarify my thoughts on that

@mustlovedragons8047

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 It would be really cool! :)

@mustlovedragons8047

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heart! :)

Winged ( is correct English)

I made a couple miniatures of these out of wood using stencils i made my self lol

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome. That must have taken some time.

@promnightdumpsterbaby9553

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes,it did. I made a dominion war chess board with the roms,feds,and klingons on one side and the jem'hadar,breen,and cardis on the other. Even built the chess board as well. It got destroyed by one of my cats....

Didnt this appear in the Strange New Worlds Finale?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

No but a very similar looking ship did.

they knew what they looked like your a kid

i don’t subscribe to the idea that the klingons have several sizes of birds of prey it’s dumb

The underslung disruptors ruin it for me honestly

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

What about the klingon BOP though?

Again like the Ker'chan I hope it goes into Star Trek Online

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

One day...

It’s an Star Trek Armada II and given the name: Draconarius-class

enjoy the channel but i hate this design

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Really? What's wrong with it?

@pixelforge4858

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 over all in my mind just not a well balanced look

Sorry, y'all, never liked any of the FASA designs--please God keep this ugly mess out of canon. Ugh. I fully realize most viewers will vehemently disagree w me on this, but..........ya no, barf.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

really? not even this?

@glennlaroche1524

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Nope. For me there is just something awkward/ungainly about it that is just flat-out uuuuuuugly. Sorry, dude.

@fooo2241

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not wild about the general look of it, but I def respect the 'you are my prey I am going to kill you now' stature. Only a spread of talons could further that.

@phluphie

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry Glenn, You’re gonna be outvoted. FASA had some dogs. But they also had some real winners. This and the White Wind are two of the winners.