Romulan 23rd century fleet( disregarding Strange New Worlds) is a cruiser submarine fleet.

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

Kriegsmarine Wolfpack

@trevynlane8094

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, they remain a cruiser submarine fleet their whole career, it is just more noticeable at the 23rd century.

@TheZamaron

3 ай бұрын

Way I see it at least the T'varo made up the bulk of their fleet, fast attack ships, but they went into isolation after the war with Earth was lost, witht he 23rd Century or at least by the time of TOS they created the T'liss shifting it fromt he bulk of their fleet to the testbed for their latest cloaking device, with the THrai being the equivalant of a D'deridex, a large rarer ship class, siply put the Romulans just weren't ready for a war, they were merely testing the potential for a war, testign their new cloak in the T'liss as a stealthy attacker and if needed the Thrai being the bigger heavyier ship, however these plans failed with hwo unreliable the cloak was, thus they limited conflict with the Federation as TOS wasn't a time of outright war, if anythig it was fear, preparation, and occasional skirmishes between the Federation with the Romulans and Klingons, with an eventuall temporary allance between the 2, the Klingons needed a new cloak as the kind they used war of 2267 was too outdated, maybe rsource heavy, and the Federation thanks to Discovery had cracked the cloak for the most part, and the Romulans in fear of potential war needed a ship to form the backbone of their fleet, the T'liss being to role focused, THrai to big to mass produce and crew enough of, and not much time to develop something new, the Klingon D7 on the other hand nearly matched the Constitution class and so the ROmulans in echange for giving the Klingons cloaks bu 2270 would be allowed to produced their own D7s, renaimed the Khenn class or Stormbird. Luckily no war ever broke out. Eventually the Rmulans after the Khitomer Accords were signed retreated into full isolation aside from a few skirmshes like Narendra 3 and Khitomer, eventually ending their isolation after news of the Galaxy Class being produced kicked them into developing and producing the D'deridex and smaller Scout Ships, this time going for a huge ship with a good enough mass producable cloak.

Romulan Tripadvisor, 10/10 would orbital bombard again.

The Klingon alliance also shows in the designs of the ships of the next decade, leading up to the Nova. The Bright One, Whitewind, and Winged Defender all show a more avian hull than the previous classes. I also can't help but notice how much the original Romulan Symbol was used by the designers to create the Klingon trefoil.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yes very interesting especially since the romulan tri-symbol was first. And yes the klingon alliance was key to the development of the Nova

@dragdragon23

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I always wondered the Romulan resentment toward the Klingons? Klingon history now mention of a slaver race over the Klingons. Was it the Romulans?

@bkbreyme

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragdragon23 An episode of Deep Space 9, The Sword of Kahless, suggested that the Hur'q were a species from the Gamma Quadrant.

@dragdragon23

2 жыл бұрын

@@bkbreyme This would be a great story to do on for a movie or T>V> special! thanks!

@weldonwin

Жыл бұрын

Well, the Klingon Bird of Prey as it appeared in Star Trek 3, was originally going to be a Romulan ship and for a while it was suggested that it was indeed Romulan built but stolen by Krugg and his crew. I can't help but feel the Romulans got a little forgotten about in the movie era

Quite fascinating. A lot of history here in regard to the Romulans; showing just how vital cloaks are to Romulan doctrine and bringing up the undermentioned tactic of orbital bombardment in Trek. Yet every time the Romulans think they got their doctrine in the bag; Starfleet finds another loophole and the Romulans go to square 1. Also, what are those blue starships at the 12:00 mark?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Hydran ships by adam turner.

@kenwshmt

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 star fleet battles, not fasa. hydran? lyran, something like that. i think they are light cruisers

The Romulans don't wish to fight Starfleet straight up so they project power in a more subtle form. It's kind of like in the Godfather, where instead of waking up to a horse head in your bed, it would be most unfortunate if one of their fleets were to show up to your planet one afternoon for tea, now wouldn't it? There's an elegance to that.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. "Now we're gonna have a lil sit-down."

@Historyfan476AD

2 жыл бұрын

It does work to a degree, But if you push it to far though, Your opponent Starfleet might just say ah S it and just take the loses and use their superior numbers to overrun the Romulan fleet and decapitate your state by going for Romulus. You can push a bit with a strategy like that but you got to be careful and not over do it.

I certainly liked your explanation of the 'precloak cloaking tech' the Romulans must have been using in ENTERPRISE. Sensor scattering, EM Absorption, Light Bending; each very useful in their day. Romulan vessels being about being the delivery systems of the 'Big Hurt' on planets and strategic objectives; not grand space battles or certainly not dogfighting, considering that they even LOOK a lot like stealth planes, that seems rather appropriate. Obtaining Stormbird Klingon designs for a sudden need for ship to ship combat makes sense here too. They had to make up for some serious tactical weaknesses in their fleet in a big hurry, but it spares the Romulans from being quite the client state of the Klingons that the IDW comics have them being.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

For me they look like the nuclear bombers of the 1960s

They also see the weaknesses involved. The short range craft had massive energy issues - it could barely charge it's plasma torpedo and run other systems at the same time. Someone's story/theory/fanon was the Romulan/Klingon Alliance gave the Romulans access to Klingon ships which had much better power generation so could handle this much better.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that will be covered in one of my videos

Strategic strike: So the Romulans tried playing artillary only in real life.

@mustlovedragons8047

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heart! :)

Grat information

I love your work,especially the detailed serious about starlets various wars.could you do a recap of the romulan war and the 1st klingon war again.

Thank you for giving a good reason for the Romulan/Klingon tech exchange. I had heard about it from SFDebris's reviews, and he thought the Romulans had got the raw end of the deal in that exchange. But this explanation makes lots of sense.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

As far as the romulans are concerned they got the better part.

@mustlovedragons8047

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Looks like it.

love the 23rd century D'deridex! way cool

is that a lyran? wow, a bit of star fleet battles in there. well played

It’s interesting as you see a shift back to this doctrine with the Reman’s and the Scimitar a century later.

I truly believe that these ships can fit with strange new worlds easily we get 2 different ships there. The Praetor's Flagship and another Cruiser. This Cruiser can simply be their answer for ship fighting near their territory as another shorter range ship interceptor. Especially because besides the warbird and flagship no one else had plasma torpedoes.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah although I do miss that brighter look of the original series romulans instead going for that TNG dark scheme

Quality instead of quantity very logical of the Romulans good video 🖖

Amazing video! Interesting how this doctrine is pretty much a Romulan version of the jeune ecole concept, and that it has the main issues that other versions of that strategy have. Though if any power in Star Trek would attempt a jeune ecole-style fleet doctrine it would very much be the Romulans.

The Earthers had an infuriating habit of adapting relatively quickly to their "war winning" strategies and turning the tables. I'm sure it was quite vexing to Romulan high command.

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

Turns out Humans are very good at war, having had a lot of practice at it and dedicated much time and thought to its theory over the centuries. I'm certain Romulan officers would find much to appreciate in the Art of War by Sun Tzu or the Art of Horsemanship by Xenophon

@Shutterbug5269

2 жыл бұрын

@@weldonwin Or the collected memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant, George S. Patton, (Mr. Flint in Star Trek lore) and the history of Earth's world wars.

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shutterbug5269 Romulan Officer: Archer you magnificent Bastard, *I READ YER BOOK!!!*

@Shutterbug5269

2 жыл бұрын

@@weldonwin Archer: yes you did, but I still kicked your ass because I changed my tactics after writing it.

Do you plan to do a video on the Gallant Wing? Seems like the largest ship the Romulans had at the time. I have the Star Trek Ship Combat Simulator board game where that ship came from. The Gallant Wing looks fun to play with.

Romulan doctrine reminds me of a bully. Punch people when they’re down and intimidate them, but have no real desire to go toe to toe with a peer foe.

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, the Starfleet Command games, describe Romulan ships as Muggers, sneaking in close to a target before clubbing them hard from behind, but really incapable of hanging in a fight.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Fair fights are for losers;)

@fightingfalcon777

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 If you’re fighting a fair fight, you have clearly done something wrong in war

@Historyfan476AD

2 жыл бұрын

The biggest problem I think Romulans have and it bites them all the time in their wars with Starfleet is that for all the stealth, tech and sneaky plans they can't fight Starfleet for long. And once Starfleet commits and rallies itself and brings in their manpower and industrial capacity to the war effort Romulus is buggered. Yeah they can bite here and there at the bigger Starfleet but no matter what they do they can't stop that giant glacier called Starfleet's fully mobilized fleet and war effort from slowly advancing towards the capital. The Romulans as powerful and smart as they are, Just can't stay competitive for long against such a huge opponent, never mind before Starfleet start pulling out their great abilities like adapting and designing new equipment and ships as the war goes on. Starfleet for all the jokes about it in and out of universe are a monster when they commit to war. They got the manpower, the technical ability, willpower and talent pool to win a war. And let's not forget Starfleet are crafty themselves and will get allies or other powers to fight you as well, Sisko did pull one over on the Romulans himself with a bit of help. I dare say that The Romulans let ego drive them to much and get into wars with a power beyond their weight class.

@fightingfalcon777

2 жыл бұрын

@@Historyfan476AD I agree, which is why I think the Romulans try to rely on first strike tactics so heavily. They’re a paper tiger in a lot of ways; they focus more on looking tough and intimidating than really being tough. They need to move fast, eliminate their opponents’ strategic infrastructure, and prevent them from being able to fight a war before it really starts. Because they KNOW that if they don’t, if they ARE forced into a prolonged war, it probably isn’t gonna go well for them. Which I think goes to why they put so much emphasis on the strength of their intelligence agencies: knowledge is power and they know the power of information. “Balance of Terror” was all about testing the waters of what the Federation and Starfleet could do; could they sufficiently succeed in striking quick and crippling them, ending the war before it began, or would they just be provoking a sleeping giant?

The goal should have been a first strike of federation shipyards, after the federations logistics are crippled you can use anti-ship craft to target federation ships one by one.

Cheers. I enjoy doctrine videos. Small criticism of a previous video or a question perhaps. ( battle of tyra ) ( listening again) i noticed. The seventh fleet ambush is different. In ds9 they used an advanced long range sensor ) thing ) and saw them coming fron weeks ( or 3 sectors away) and was a reason for a lot of allied defeats. Vs intelligence intercept in the video. ( been rewatching ds9 ) im sure you remember. Or chioce change for a reason. ( both could have been the cause i suppose) an array couldn't tell what the fleet would do in battle

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't realise the array was a direct connection to tyra. But yeah it could have certain played a part.

@shanenolan8252

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes ross tells sisko in the episode. ( it can detect ships from 3 sectors away and a cloaked vessel from one sector away, ) the 7th may have come up before he said that , but he mentioned something like if we are going to stop taking losses like that we need to destroy that array, somehow.

Nice artwork. Archer class ( i think)

I loved it. Fasa's designs don't get enough love. Non-Canon my ass. Thank you for covering this! I hope we get to the Romulan Condor Dreadnought.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

You will see parts of the condor used elsewhere. Not sure how I feel about it in itself.

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I don't like the redesign, I liked the older design. Trekyards covered it, and I instantly fell in love with it. Yes, I know it wouldn't fit well in with the Canon, but there's something about that simplistic design I love.

I see Hydrains. HellBorers and Fusion beams for the win.

The Romulan ship at 1:21 looked like a Firefly-class transport. I wonder if captain Mal was flying it?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

thats the old Nova Class...

I love the video and the Romulans doctrine leading up to and into the mid-23rd century (TOS era). Looking forward to how it evolves with the times into the TMP/TWOK-era. The Romulans were major players in galactic politics during that era, even though we only saw a couple of ambassadors, and were learning about their adversaries. In regard to ships and fleet doctrine it would have to evolve. After all, the original Constitution and the refit are similar, but ultimately two different ships in the heavy cruiser mold. Starfleet fleet doctrine would also be different in the pre-TOS, TOS, and TMP/TWOK eras. My thinking would be they studied Starfleet tactics during the Four Years War and found a way to beat it or get around it. But, Starfleet tactics shifted as the era progressed. Romulans then adapt their tactics, but the TMP/TWOK-era rolls around and the game changes again. The Klingon Cold War forcing Starfleet to keep changing things up as the Klingons were the main adversary of the Federation as depicted in the media. I wonder if the reason the Romulans established an embassy on Earth was to help keep up with the ever-changing tactics and configuration of Starfleet to try to ultimately beat them. We did see a Romulan Ambassador act in an advisory role during the events of The Undiscovered Country.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Well perhaps it best served their interests nor to be tied to either

@enterprise1701e

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I just rewatched this video, which tells you how well thought out and good it is, and then I went back to your video on the T'Liss. That video was more of an evolution of the Romulan Bird-of-Prey through history versus a breakdown of the T'Liss. That makes me wonder: will we see a breakdown of the T'Liss, Thrai, and Gallant Wings?

Well I like the Washington dills or romulan chips I just got to figure out how to convert them into Starfleet battles tabletop games any suggestions

Evening

I would enjoy a video on the romulan phoenix class from the snes starfleet academy game. I always thought it was a decent looking ship, even if it was bad 16bit gfx..

A blitzkrieg type of warfare

I kind of like the idea that the reason why the romulan ships in TOS look similar to federation ships is because the Romulans might base their designs off whoever they deem to be their rival at the time, mostly as a bit of trolling or psychological warfare. They're supposed to be subversive, stand-off-ish, and unpredictable from my (admittedly limited) understanding of ST, so having their ship design reflect that could be an interesting bit of worldbuilding.

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

I found it interesting that the 22nd century Romulan ships, looked almost aquatic and squid-like, giving me the idea that it was also a form of psychological warfare, convincing their enemies they were fighting something very alien. No one knew what Romulans looked like at the time after all, so they take deliberate steps to obfuscate their true nature with their ship designs

By favouring planetary bombardment, the Romulans forced Starfleet onto a defensive footing. If the Romulans can prove that they can hit anywhere at any time, then Starfleet has to place valuable ships on garrison duty possibly systems behind the lines. If the bulk of Starfleet's fighting strength is tied down doing nothing in some far off system, then it means that they'll have less reserves to go on the offensive. That can also work in the favour of Starfleet; by Starfleet garrisoning everything with people on it, it means that they're actually defending in depth, which can slow down the Romulans down in large offensives by guerrilla fighting and allow for a larger response force to be thrown together. Their strategy stretched Starfleet thin and let them get a lot of early victories before Starfleet could gather its strength. By also fighting that style of war, it let them hit above their quadrant weight class. Starfleet and the other powers were probably a lot closer to Romulan tech than they probably realised, and the Romulans didn't have a massive fleet or industrial power. By fighting a war against an enemy stretched thin, it makes you appear stronger than you really are and ingrains that idea in the minds of the other powers. The Romulans probably could have put a good dent into Starfleet with their 23rd century fleet, if they employed it properly. If the Romulans focused on destroying orbital instillations, then a fleet is eventually going to run out of steam and fall apart of its own accord. You can also help speed that up by raiding, never mass your fleets to large and punish your enemy when they do. Don't meet an offensive head on but use mines to break up its formation and pick off any stragglers. Its Starfleet, focus your fire on the weaker ones the rest will close ranks to protect it and make themselves an more lucrative target and get themselves bogged down at impulse while they repair or evacuate a damaged ship. The Romulans had the: means, the tech, and the strategy to destroy Starfleet, but I doubt they had the nerve and ability enough to absorb losses to pull it off.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

no thats why they were seeking an alliance with the klingons. in the hope that they would draw most of starfleets attention away from the romulan flank.

What's that larger warbird in the thumbnail? It looks like a D'Deridex but made in the 23rd Century.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

the Thrai class from STO

@z3r0_35

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well...now I know what ship I want on my Romulan character. Probably expensive though. Nothing against the newer designs, I just like the TOS-era aesthetic.

I would dare say this is but one failure in the strategic strike doctrine focus, It works up to till a certain threshold, If you keep doing it in response your opponent might also start performing it onto your worlds. And well they have more manpower and so likely the ability to just batter ram your defences and strike your worlds while your fleet is powerless to stop them due to the sheer focus of force pushed on your worlds. Or your fleets are out of position to guard due to them attacking the enemies worlds. It becomes a game of who can strike more and harder, and well Starfleet likely is going to beat you in this game if you force them down that road. They can take the hits more than you can. The strategy does work but it has to be wielded with a fine hand and carefully and not push the enemy to much that they just throw their hands up and just decide to copy you.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Potentially yeah. Although the romulans would use defensive hunter killers to destroy potential counter-attacking enemies

@Historyfan476AD

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 They would try but It really depends on the size of the counter attack itself. And Romulus only has so many ships and resources to spread throughout it's fleets. I think based on what we have seen from the Federation I think while the Hunter Killers would be a big problem, eventually I think they would create a way to counter the strategy or just have enough numbers to bulldoze it over and begin ripping the heart out of the Empire's industrial and ship building capability. I'm Not saying the Romulans where weak sauce now, But just out of their league when facing The Federation due to the many advantages the Federation wields from Manpower, size of territory and so able to trade space for time. And the overall high Skill level of it's military members and it's advanced technology ability and ability to adapt to an opponent's way of war. The Federation was built to be a Superpower.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

@@Historyfan476AD yeah I'd agree hunter killers aren't really enough to stop a massed enemy assault but the hope is that you strike your targets well before

@Historyfan476AD

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I can see the intention but I just think against someone the size of the Federation and as powerful as them. The tactic would be devastating of course but It would in the end be overtaken by the Federation capabilities to take losses and build a force. It would work on the Klingons though and nearly any other power, But for some reason The Federation I think could weather it enough to get their legs back and push back. But the Federation are a very special exception to the rule. Somehow they always win their wars.

Well done as usual. But I have two points of contention: 1. This assumes that space is 2D. The probability of a Romulan ship passing directly between two scanning ships is low to say the least. So the detection strategy you showed just wouldn't work. 2. What is this "four years war" you keep referencing? Is this an ST: Discovery thing? I go by what TNG said about first contact with the Klingons: decades of war. And by implication, no first contact until after the Romulan War.

@nathanielmeade5731

2 жыл бұрын

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@nicholaswalsh4462

2 жыл бұрын

The Four Years War is an Old Trek thing from a FASA corporation product. The Klingon Federation War before it was cool.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

yeah two are unlikely to detect you but the more ships... the more likely. the FASA four years war, which was the main conflict but there were skirmishes before and after.

There is still hope to end the scourge of Humanity: "The Klingons."

It must burn the romulans to see the klingons take to the cloaking device without any effort.

@Hartzilla2007

Жыл бұрын

And then come up with one that let them using weapons while it was on aka negating one of its big weaknesses.

Romulan fest? Yes please

@weldonwin

Жыл бұрын

Romulanalia

Damn, I don´t have time to watch but that´s a video I wanted to suggest after last episode of SNW. The Romulans seemed so "hardened" and "harsh", even more so than the Klingons. Was this a very strong time for the Romulans that they were so confident? No paper tigers for sure - decades long war against the Federation without a winner and they even started it. Just blunt and in your face, I somehow like it but it´s a bit uncharacteristic. Edit: After watching the video and Strange New Worlds I have to disagree (not really bc we all know that on screen behaviour doesn´t always make sense and your portrayal of the Romulan doctrine is coherent and logical - please watch SNW and give your opinion on that :). Romulans, as portrayed in canon in the 23rd century, don´t value their own manpower. They sacrifice their personell and officers like no other faction. They don´t fear ship to ship combat either as their Bird of Prey is at least as maneouverable as Federation ships and is superior in close combat. It even seems like the Romulans have had built enough ships by the time of the 23rd century that they didn´t even fear an open war with the Federation. They surely had enough ships to overwhelm the Federation with numbers and they have the confidence to declare open war.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I haven't seen all of SNW yet the romulans were looking for a war but only if they thought they could get an easy win.

@jimbeam4736

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 The way they are portrayed in the last SNW episode is very uncharacteristic and not in line with what we know about them. But it´s shown on screen and we should talk about that :) Great video as always, it´s just that the showrunners somehow did them a bit differently and it sparks some thinking.

@chrissonofpear1384

Жыл бұрын

@@jimbeam4736 I guess it depends on the Praetor and the Continuing Committee, at the time. Plus a fair bit of propaganda. Come back with your Honor Blade or upon it, as it were.

LOL how often is a Hydran force going to run across the romulans

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know SFB lore that well.

@davidedens6353

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 in Starfleet battles geographically the hydrants are located along the rim of the Galaxy to the West of the Klingons and south of the Lyrans. In order to encounter a Romulan task force they would have to fight their way through both Klingon and some tholian territory. They have historically been the most isolated of the traditional powers of the game. Despite this the little 3 ft tall gas giant dwellers are quite resilient and have some of the most dangerous warships and fighters of the universe.

Jolan tru.

@miamijules2149

2 жыл бұрын

Jolan Tru! Fore the Praetor! For the Senate And People of Romulus!

Romulans getting in sight of Earth in Earth-Romulan war is like the Germans getting in sight of Moscow in ww2

@Historyfan476AD

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean it was the wrong place to project all their effort at and should have took out the Federation's version of the Caucasus oilfields and wheatfields instead.

'Rom-con"

Strange New Worlds did done a major disrespect to The Balance of Terror is by far the best episode ever made in TOS and is inspired by War Movies like Enemy Below and Das Boot.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Haven't seen it just yet.

Warfare is politics by other means.

Lol . All bollox gets you every time. . I remember a friend on finishing his philosophy degree. ( its all fucking bollox )

I read in a domion war sourse book and video. The romulan fleet at the beginning of the dominion war was 6 thousand 400 vessels. ( majority not capital ships) but by the end had been doelwn to 2 thousand ish . ( they lost a lot of ships to the breen especially. As well as invasion of dominion worlds. ( chintoka and other campaigns) actually the fleet figures for both side are interesting. Klingons federation, cardassion, jemhadar are listed . ( not Breen) but ypu can speculate . I think the federation had the largest fleet at the end but lost more personal than the Klingons. ( bird of prey vs a cruser ) over 4 thousand federation ships lost . ( the numbers dont cover how many ships produced during the war )

I just ignore Enterprise. And ANYTHING after that.

Im sorry Venom but i have come to mention Shatner alpha strike on Kurtzman trek telling them, It's dead Jim! Again love your content but omg that made my year!!!

Romufest

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

Romunala

The cloak is way way way OP. The federation is basically Iraq and the warbirds are F 117s. These nets and tethers and everything, bah humbug. Space is big and 3 dimenional. They'd go around. Only with the plot's reduction of scale can this even be a possibility. The only time we really see the true unstoppable nature of a Romulan fleet is when they savagely take out the Cardasians like they're nothing. But they'd do the same thing to the Federation. Just like we did to Iraq in Desert Storm. And the Federation didn't adopt the super OP phased cloak because of a treaty? Are you kidding me? That would so never happen. Yeah right, Starfleet which looks the other way on all the Prime Directive sins thinks breaking a treaty with a species known to be conniving is over the line? What the heck ever. How many billions died in the Dominion War. You'd think that with invincible cloaked superships, starfleet could have widdled that number down a bit. Cloaks are even more hard to suspend disbelief than teleporters. But one tries. Great video per usual.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Desert storm the air campaign. Not so much the ground advance. The federation banned cloaks after the tomed incident. Something bad must have happened.

Why not augment their population with cloning

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

The Romulans are a very proud people, so they aren't going to lower themselves to the level of cranking their children out of factories. Its also just as likely they don't have genetics technology on that level and they probably saw what happened to the Klingons when they messed around with genetic augmentation

@paulrasmussen8953

2 жыл бұрын

@@weldonwin shinzon says otherwise

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulrasmussen8953 That was about a hundred years later and Shinzon was a flawed clone, created for a Tal'Shiar black-op. Creating a clone of a "Lesser" species is one thing, using it to mass produce your own people is another.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

yeah cloning isn't really a thing for most races in trek

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 It has been done a few times, but tends to go bad, usually when they are cloning from clones for a long time and copy-fading starts to set in