You generously overstate my contribution. I come to serve. 🖖

Lore Reloaded had an interesting theory about the "killing" of the C. We know they took prisoners. We know they wanted to capture the Constitution and Galaxy Enterprises. What if, the advanced nature of Romulans in S1 TNG, was because they had access to a Ambassador-class cruiser, and a collaborator, who could tell them about the next 22 years of Federation and Klingon technological development?

@jhallam2011

Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@rayhatton7683

Жыл бұрын

Here's one that I didn't consider either but it makes a lot of sense once you think bout. After the battle of enterprise c. They captured the ship and the technology and studied this class of federation ship and may have fix most of the damage to said ship for testing and understanding the technology. With the prisoners they got on how it use by the officers and crew of this ship. Hence why Enterprise D came along and the romulans were not very surprised by how this went down ship wise. They had Enterprise C ship and class information to battle more better due to this. Also the episode were Tasha Yars daughter was a romulan ship captain of main TNG due to the after the episode yesterday's Enterprise. Love that episode. Something to think on.

@davidbricejr.7340

Жыл бұрын

a spy could have put information of their development of technology in a part of the ship

@rayhatton7683

Жыл бұрын

@@davidbricejr.7340 with both theories that's valid and has the most truth in it. It then makes sense that they captured the Enterprise C and surviving crew and got a vast amount of information and use of ship and fleet doctrine of the federation. Hence why the game of chess was very much their game but not the federation. Though from the standpoint of spy's well both had there ways. Clearly they were not trusting the romulans for obvious reasons.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's an interesting theory. But equally there is some suggestion that it was destroyed by the crew after being disabled

I never understood why the Ambassador-class is seemingly so maligned, amongst Starfleet vessels. It's actually my favourite Federation warship. I even have a large Eaglemoss model of the Enterprise C sitting in my computer room.

@0utc4st1985

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The Enterprise C was outnumbered 4 to 1 against a comparably advanced force, and while it could probably easily take out one of them, that force disparity is too much given the size of the V'Melak.

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know it was

@HarvestMoonHowl

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Mind you, it's only a personal impression I've sometimes had from other fans. I may be jumping to a conclusion, here.

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 well triagulam audio. Has several videos about the ambassador and its failures and the narendra class variants. ( but some of that is fictional, stuff about a flawed design and the admiralty led and ingored it sn put the ship into production some scandal. , I assume he got the idea from fsn opinions. ) I never understood it , if anything the loss the enterprise c , was a heroic sacrifice in the best tradition of the service and secured a military alliance and prevented a war and the klingon/ federation alliance secured the future for the federation. She was still second or third after the nebula and galaxy. Asfsr as cruisers. ( I remember a screen display in deep space 9 season 6 ) a battle group or fleet display. Galaxy, nebula, ambassador, excelsior, miranda. In order of precedence. , I think the new ships like sovereign and the anti borg ships were in a different category.

Well done Sovik

Something I notice is that the 24th century Romulans seems to share a trait with Starfleet when it comes to their ships-of-the-line. Starfleet: Excelsior-Centaur & Galaxy-Nebula, & etc.; Romulan: Nova-Firehawk, D'deridex-Valdore, & V'melak-Daeinos. The V'melak itself is indeed an interesting design, I agree it fits betters as a predecessor of the D'deridex. If it ever becomes fully canonized, I wonder if any would still be around in significant numbers post-Hobus like a lot of possible "Lost Era" Romulan ships.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it certainly would have a use post hobus the advantage of quantum singularities is that the ships always have some use.

If I may comment on what you said about the gas trails from the impulse engines. Dispersing it to the density of the ambient space is an ingenious idea. But if you manage to end up passing too closely to another vessel before that gas has dispersed... Then again, if you get *THAT* close with this new technology, you're probably going crash into the other ship. Last time I checked, collisions negate any stealth advantage (assuming the collision is survivable).

"Internet archeology" must take a long time even when you're *not* researching a topic that certain tech companies don't want you to dig into.

If I could pick it's weapons I'd like this ship. Two of these and two K'Vort classes and an a Akira class and you have a great squadron

I remember that at Starfleett Commander 3 mod, "Generations at war" there was a ship, with a highly similar design (if isn't the same, however I remeber having some kind of feather texturing), having the same role at Kithomer masacre. And being a predecesor to the D'deridex.

🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done indeed, And very informative as well on this Romulan vessel indeed 👌...

I have a nit to pick: black holes do not create energy out of nothing. You need to feed them mass. As Lane Bowles said earlier, there are basically two ways we know of to extract energy from a black hole: the accretion disk and hawkings radiation. With the accretion disk, you feed mass into the gravitational gradient and it orbits around the singularity making a great deal of heat via friction, which can be amplified by frame-dragging if there's a singularity in the middle spinning. Basically, as you get closer to the center of the disk, the speed difference of the orbit at one radius is different enough to the speed of its neighbor to cause a great deal of friction. This can release between 6% and 42% of the mass of the feed into energy depending on the speed of rotation of the singularity in the middle. The easiest way to think of hawking radiation is to say the event horizon is turning the mass inside the singularity into radiation out in the real universe. The amount of radiation depends on the diameter of the horizon (assuming its spherical) where the radiative power increases as the inverse square of the radius: the smaller the radius the exponentially more power it radiates. But the point is, there must be mass within the event horizon to get power from the singularity. So, you need fuel either way. Still, the great advantage of the singularity as a power source is that you're not relying on a reaction between specific elements: it's not a deuterium fusion reaction, or a matter-antimatter reaction. As such, any fuel will due. You can just as easily beam in material from a nickel iron asteroid as a Jovian atmosphere, or the interstellar medium, for that matter, and get the same energy output for the same mass input, regardless. This means the Fleet of the Romulan Star Empire does not need a fuel infrastructure, like the Federation or Klingons, or any other fleet that uses antimatter. (You can't mine antimatter anywhere in any great quantities, certainly not enough for a warp starship.) So, you need to manufacture and deliver it. Indeed, I think this is why the Romulans never went down the matter/antimatter path in any deep way. I would stipulate that they were using deuterium-deuterium fusion reactions (at 0.097% mass to energy conversion) when they battled with the Vulcans and deuterium slush in the fuel tanks; catalyzed deuterium fusion (0.38% conversion) with deuterated propane in the fuel tanks while they battled Earth; the proton-catalyzed deuterium (0.63%) reaction during the time of TOS with liquid metallic deuterium as storage; fusing deuterium to nickel (0.8%) and ultra-dense Rydburg-state deuterium as storage in early TMP. And in all cases, they used their bussard collectors to feed their reactors from the interstellar medium whenever they could cruise without worrying about being detected. However, by the time of the Nova class, I suspect they were using high-power tractor beams to create non-singularity artificial accretion disks to get their energy. They'd still store their fuel as ultradense deuterium but they'd be getting 10%+ matter-to-energy conversion... and from fuel you can find anywhere you find hydrogen; you can even make it from hydrogen, if you're clever. And by the time of the V'melak, I could easily see a singularity at in the middle of the accretion disk, increasing the matter conversion to 30% and more. And by the time of the D'deridex, they're storing their fuel within the event horizon and actively manipulation the topology of that horizon to get however much hawking radiation they need to power their vessels.

This is a down right sexy ship and I agree it belongs in the lost era. Once again you've done an amazing job. Merry Christmas from across the pond!

Wow you really know what you are doing here. Iets have more of this kind of stuff

Nice little mine War Bird. That ship should have been on the screen more often with Big Bird. Great content and thanks.

What was the force parity of the different Romulan factions after the collapse of the Romulan empire? Was the republic weaker then other factions?

The Melak almost looks like a prototype competitor for the V'melak (like the f16 and f17 project for example, of the f22 and f23) and the V'Melak won the competition. Great video!

In STO the D'deredex has a 25th century Romulan Republic refit that has features of the V'melak in many ways almost like the Republic needs less stealth and more stable multirole warships with better abilities. Also wouldn't some of the V'melaks have both a singularity core and a matter antimatter warp cores so if the early singularity core is disabled they can use the older matter/ antimatter drive as a backup?

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe the singularity core can be turned off once created damaged or unable to go to warp yes and a backup would make sense. But it could have another purpose. A powerplant. A third impulse as well . Maybe a defence snd weapons / shields and warp engines. ?

@barrybend7189

Жыл бұрын

@@shanenolan5625 well I was just thinking even with modern Romulan ships singularity fizzle out is a likely cause of destabilization in the core so why not have a secondary reactor system Incase that happens. Maybe the secondary reactor also acts as a means of restarting singularity cores like large diesel engines requiring smaller gas engines to start them.

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@@barrybend7189 perhaps yes . Although I'm not sure if they do just fizzle out just thinking of the episodes with romulan vessels and warp core breaches in tng . ( phase cloak experiments,, and the time dilatation issue, as its firing on the enterprise, ) season 5 snd 6 . A singularity is like a mini worm hole , I imagine they could be shut but I don't they just fizzle out . I'd agree the energy may need a jump start. Like how a star goes through phases of output ? It might be a speed issue like romulan vessels are not as fast as federation starships . Galaxy class was 3 times faster than Dederidex and after refitting Galaxy was 4 times faster. Or could hold her top speed for 12 hours instead of 3. The valdor class and the reman scimitar was much faster. But then again the Dederidex is twice the size of a galaxy with twice the crew and power demands. I suppose the fuel from the singularity would or could supply fuel endlessly to the anti matter core . And refuel other ships. And in an emergency it would have s significant power surplus. But we see federation ships either several warp cores. Ship separation. . I remember in the beta Canon technical manual the intrepid class voyager was supposed to have an auxiliary warp core in case of s catastrophic malfunction or irreparable damage. Or like either enterprise in Season 3 when they lost thier warp core. Like the way old sail ships used to carry a spare main mast or the ability to replace it if the situation called for it . ?

@barrybend7189

Жыл бұрын

@@shanenolan5625 well under normal use fizzle out is probably the most common destabilization scenario. The catastrophic destabilization we see in STO is when the engine has more energy input causing a singularity growth.

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@@barrybend7189 oh I thought that was referring to it fizzlling out like a flame. Or just disappearing. Rather than expanding.

If memory serves from yesterday's enterprise the first segment of the battle before the rift . Enterprise c was engaged long enough to fire most of her torpedoes or exhausted them and her phasers were drained and her shields were gone and she had dome Hull damage and lost a majority of her crew. Only the captain and one senior officer. It must have been s he'll of a fight. A nemesis like fight. Hit snd run , claok taking turns decloak and attack ect . They eore her down and attempted to finish her off simultaneously. It seems

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

I think they actually mention torpedoes being exchanged but they aren't really clear who.

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes she said something about a massive barrage. Could have been both sides. But I remember a damage report from riker or le forge , or asking picardy for enterprise d torpedoes. ( its been awhile since I watched it ) that said there is no reason they couldn't have made more during the repair phase.,, if nx enterprise can do it the enterprise c could. God knows voyager did .

Love this video I actually have recreated the V'Melak in a Lego design program along with many many other Star Trek vessels that also include my own design

I think we need to see a showcase of mid-24th century Starfleet vessels: particularly, the Ambassador. After all, one Ambassador held off 4 Vmelaks for a considerable amount of time, before she met her untimely end.

Officialy the 2000's were the early days of the widespread internet, when it was BARELY becoming ubiquitous. The 90's it was still developing, and was almost negligible in the 80's. So as far as common access your correct as it WAS early days. Don't forget Microsoft was still using the blocky Classic greyscale GUI in the 2000's.

This looks a lot like the D'Talla-cllass. The Melak from the game "New Worlds" was a D'Talla-class Waebird.

I rather like the V'melak design and I'm using it for some of my Attack Wing customs to try and flesh out the Romulan faction's ship selection a bit.

Had no idea Romulans used black holes that far back. I thought it was right before the D'deridex.

@jamescooper7878

Жыл бұрын

the V'melak is the testbed ship for the Quantum sigularity core. if you watch Venom's talk about the DD (D'deridex)

“ Beautiful “ “ Ship “

remember , Romulans are very political . the V'melak looking like a mini D'deridex makes a lot of sense for them. probably a cost cutting tactic.

Cheers

I really like it when sci-fi universes have races/factions use radically different tech. It always seems weird that everyone uses the exact same tech.

@Sephiroth144

11 ай бұрын

Somewhat yes, somewhat no; there would reasonably be some amount of "use what works". Like, you look at militaries today- there's a lot of consistency in the development... and once star nations start to interact with each other, they would be able to see what works better, and a lot of the differences could reasonably "smooth out".

So basiclly Nova and Danious clasess are the everyday solder type ships. D'Dereadecx is the big tough guy who will walk up to your face and knock you the F*** out with one or two hits V'Melek the guy who would sneak up behind you and stab a knife in your back before you'd know he was there.

I used to have a MSD I made of this warlord, v'mlak is a beaut and vsfx did a good job on its design that and their modernization of the SS valiant was also great

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know there was an MSD out there.

@CristySFM1234

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yea I made it about 3 years ago on my older DeviantArt account I sadly don't have since my old account is deactivated do to issues with theft and the fact I need premium to change my profile name since it was under my old profile name lol I do have plans to remake it once I'm done with the tech manual project I'm working on

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

@@CristySFM1234 looking forward to seeing it

@CristySFM1234

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 update so my old deviant art account is still up for some reason and the og MSD of the v'melak I made, I can't send the link for some reason but if you type v'melak class warbird msd in your search engi it should pop up as the first image or link in the results. Word of warning I do have some nsfw stuff too so little heads up if your interested in the other MSD work I did including the warp delta and ares refit (witch got praise from alic petters) 😅

this is my favorite Romulan om screen time, especially the part when the Romulan Praetor says " peace, what do Romlans care of peace? and your affinity for it has sealed your fate". Best Romulan line IMHO. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJefspSpm865lsY.html

Why not a mini-D'Deridex? is it any different from the NX/Columbia >> Constitution >> Refit >> Excelsior >> Ambassador >> Galaxy >> Sovereign >> Odyssey ? Or the k't'agga >> k't'alla >> k't'inga >> >> Vor'cha?

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

Or just call it the Baby D'Deridex.

@nathanielmeade5731

Жыл бұрын

Alternate name: B'bydex

@lynngreen7978

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanielmeade5731 That sounds like it could be a real name! Awesome!

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

But there's also a change in style between each generation which is better reflected in the vmelak

Can the V'Melak carry Winged Defenders the way the D'Deridex could?

@bmobert

Жыл бұрын

Just eye-balling the size, assuming V'Melak is 515 meters long and Winged Defender is 293 meters wide, it looks like two Winged Defenders could fit under each wing. The Defender's should be able to be oriented for-and-aft if Defenders wings are lowered, otherwise, they'd have to be oriented Tailfeathers-inboard.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

@@bmobert it would be a tight squeeze

It took FOUR of them to take down Enterprise C. Inferior to the Ambassador, indeed.

Could the V'melak fit into a D'Deridex?

I enjoyed this ship chat about the V'Melak class and your explanation of choosing it to fit in the TMP Era. Also why choosing the V'Melak class model over the Melak class model since you are right it does look like a Mini D'deridex-class and would fit right in the TNG Era and serving the Romulans in the Dominion War. Thanks for the Ship Chat, Merry Christmas.

Yeah not really even outnumbered the Ambassador still took her pound of flesh even with three to one odds against her.

When a mummy warbird and a daddy warbird wants a little warbird. The stark dropped it off at the nest obviously.

@saintnick6598

Жыл бұрын

But which came first, The warbird or the Egg?

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@@saintnick6598 lol

Ok Venom, we know once started a quantum singularity cannot be shut down. How do they deal with core breaches and when a ship is destroyed? Is there a new lingering black hole?

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

No it implodes in spectacular fashion

The "First" Warbird? Even in Kirk's era they called them Warbirds.

I always thought "Warbird" was one of the coolest ship-category names I ever heard. As for what type pf ship it described, I figured it was like the Romulan equivalent of us saying "battlecruiser".

So you state the the artificial quantum singularity does not use/need fuel. Thus the question, "How does it generate power?" Every thing I have ever come across regarding the Romulan artificial quantum singularities indicate that they are more or less small, artificial black holes. I know of two ways to get power out of a black hole, 1). Stuff mass down its gravity well [i.e., use fuel] or 2). Hawking Radiation. If the first, then the amount of power one can get out of a black hole (at least under known physics is 6% total mass to energy conversion if the black hole doesn't spin and up to 42% total mass to energy conversion if the black hole is at the maximum possible spin. So potentially not as good as matter-antimatter, but still quite good. If the second, then the amount of power one can get out of a black hole depends on its mass. The lower the mass the more the black hole leaks radiation, sort of a reverse of the half-life of radioactive materials, until a critical level is met, then the black hole evaporates in a flash of power. One could stabilize this process by feeding matter to the black hole. Have you considered either of these as the means by which the Romulans get power out of a artificial quantum singularity, or have you come up with/come across another method?

@bmobert

Жыл бұрын

I'm right there with you on this one. I've been thinking about this for a while. The TOS line about the Rom-BOP "Their power is simple impulse" means, to me, that it's fusion powered. And fusion makes a great deal of sense, as it means they don't need any fuel transportation infrastructure to keep going: they can just beam deuterium from the nearest gas planet into your tank. Indeed, you can pull hydrogen gas from the interstellar medium with bussard collectors as you're warping past; at 5.0wf, the bussard collectors only need to sweep an area of a 10 km diameter circle to scoop up enough hydrogen (in the "average" density interstellar medium) to fuel the warp reactor, assuming you're fusing hydrogen to nickel. And, assuming you have the technology to make defector beams for warp travel, you have the ability to make an artificial accretion disk to make a compact fusion reactor that could probably fuse deuterium to nickel, releasing nearly a full 1% of the fuel's mass as energy. And that's without an event horizon, and the 6%-42% that promises. And I figure the Romulans probably went through all those different methods of getting energy. However, by the time of the D'deridex, I stipulate they're using hawkings radiation to power their ships. Further, I would say the "Artificial" part of "artificial quantum singularity" is the manipulation of the event horizon to slow down or speed up the hawkings radiation power. One of the problems with this form of powerplant is that the radius of a singularity that releases enough hawkings radiation to power just a 1wf (220e6 watts) is already on the order of that of a proton (1.9e-15 meters). By the time you get to the power requirements of 9.2wf, its 6 orders of magnitude smaller (23e-21 m). Star Trek technology is amazing, but is it that good? I wonder. So, instead, I propose Romulans manipulate the shape of the event horizon: not a sphere but a tear-drop. At the pinch-point you should get a beam of hawking radiation. I think this would be easier to achieve than controlling a sub-atomic sized spherical event horizon.

@lanebowles8170

Жыл бұрын

@@bmobert "Romulans manipulate the shape of the event horizon: not a sphere but a tear-drop. At the pinch-point you should get a beam of hawking radiation" I like this! This is a good concept to get power from a black hole, and I like the idea of the Romulans working their way through the different methods until they reached the final, "master level" method. Well done!

@bmobert

Жыл бұрын

@Lane Bowles Thank you. I appreciate that. I've actually spent WAY too much time thinking about this... and I can't seem to stop, either. But it's all a continuation of having a fleet that doesn't need a fuel infrastructure. Which also explains the Tal Shiar: How do you control a skipper with a ship that is basically a nation unto itself?

What I don't understand is why would the Romulins who hate Earth and Humanity name there home worlds after 2 human brothers who founded Rome and then the Roman empire..and when they originally did they were not even aware of earth and humanity lol really doesn't make a lot of sense.

"Fewer" torpedo tubes, not "less." Lol sorry. Grammar Tal'Shiar 🤣

@Plasmacore_V

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but less as a synonym for fewer goes back to Old English.

@chrisortega7521

Жыл бұрын

It's a synonym, yes, but it isn't grammatically proper in that context.

@Plasmacore_V

Жыл бұрын

1500 years of ongoing use in that very context would disagree. But you're entitled to your opinion.

@chrisortega7521

Жыл бұрын

English literature and writing majors would disagree with you wholeheartedly, as would authors.