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To anyone in the Navy, the most realistic thing about Star Trek is the fact that the uniforms change every week, often without notice.

@alonespirit9923

2 жыл бұрын

Dad says that if ST really wants to parallel the Navy they need a uniform material which feels like it is going to burst in to flame in the next instant while you are in the boiler rooms.

@kennethmiller2333

2 жыл бұрын

@@alonespirit9923 It would help. I only wore the blueberries for about six months, due to broken service. But it seems to me that we had a good thing with dungarees... inexpensive, comfortable, durable, and reasonably fire-resistant. Who would ever want a working uniform like that?

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

When did the Pajama style uniforms phase out to the red jacket uniforms?.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

Fletchers rank system was like aliens invented it.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

U.S.S.Bozeman was in 2278, " The Wrath of Khan" took place in 2285. Bozeman's Captain should have inquired " if you are the Enterprise, then where is James T.Kirk?."

Having been in the Navy myself, since then I always compartmentalized them as the difference between a dress uniform and a working utility uniform. We seen in TWOK that the bridge staff and command officers are in the red jackets but the actual worker bees are in (a different cut and color but basically similar) jumpers and leggings as we had in TOS and TNG.

It's interesting how the first two just fought against each other while the 3rd guy did everything he could to bridge the gap. he could have just ignored everything they put out and did his own thing but he kept all of those uncomfortable uniforms and put Picard/Jeordi back in them every time there was a flashback episode. Continuity that was unnecessary at the time but much appreciated now that the show is being re-watched and dissected indefinitely.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Blackman managed to walk a tightrope while reconciling the work of others and making his own creative contributions. :)

A nice bit of fan theory would be that the TNG-era uniforms were issued as part of the 200th Frontier Day celebration in 2351. That would have warranted such a significant and radical design change.

Apparently those quilted turtlenecks were pretty expensive to sew and fit, so on "Yesterday's Enterprise", when they not only needed modified uniforms for the alt-timeline TNG crew but also for another ship crew from an unseen era, the only thing they could do for the latter was pull out the movie uniforms and remove pieces, to show Starfleet moving back to a simpler style but also to stretch the budget. A weird idea in the episode is that the old movie badge is now a communicator but only the captain wears it - the lieutenant wears it when he takes over after the captain dies. The jackets looked awkward with nothing under them so colored t-shirts were the subsequent low-budget compromise - at least they matched the division color of the jacket straps. For Kelsey Grammar and two extras at the end of a bottle show they were able to pull together three complete movie uniforms with quilted turtlenecks. Scotty's vest has a leather patch above the right breast where his Captain rank pin is meant to go but he doesn't bother - also Scotty's division color remained gold after his promotion to Captain of Engineering, but beginning with Star Trek IV it was decided James Doohan looked better in the white shirt when only a vest is worn over it. It goes back to gold when he wears a jacket. There is a British TV commerical and some photos where he can be seen in a vest over the gold shirt and it's kind of icky.

@johnduncan9235

2 жыл бұрын

It would have looked much better had they taped some thin black trim around the neck of the jackets for that episode. Would have been a subtle change, but more flattering in appearance, and a nice precursor to the black shoulder yoke of the TNG uniforms.

The Miranda/Reliant is still in service, the Constellations are still in service, the Excelsiors are still in service and there was a Constitution in service at Wolf 359. The ships serve for a long time, so the ship type has nothing to do with any of it.

@bostonrailfan2427

2 жыл бұрын

all were in service in the Dominion war, used as cannon fodder but still heavily used

@s1977spw2

2 жыл бұрын

Regular one had genesis inside a moon why did it not blow up ?

@kargaroc386

Жыл бұрын

Reliant was blown up by the Enterprise, and then whatever was left was obliterated by the genesis device, so I doubt the Reliant itself was still in service in TNG lol. The Miranda class as a whole on the other hand is the forever-ship, that fought alongside the Enterprise J, and if it was still around during the Disco 32nd century I wouldn't be surprised.

@sabrewolf4129

Жыл бұрын

@@kargaroc386 dafuq??

A couple of things you might want to take into consideration, the costumes used for the first four movies, were used over and over again, which means by the time TNG came into production, some of them were already nearly 9 years old and seen alot of use. Plus with all the costumes they would need for a new show, and a 5th film already greenlit they would have to come up with their own stock. The idea of distancing in terms of design is a plausible theory but again just a theory. As to exactly when the uniform changeover took place it's pretty well nailed down. The Movie Era ends in 2295 with the launch of the Enterprise -B and TNG begins in 2263, granted that's a 68 year gap, however only 3 flashback sequences I know of show TNG era uniforms, and the oldest is set about 2352, this combined with the recording of Jack Crusher talking to Wesley being about 15 years old at the time, given Wesley's age, it was recorded somewhere around 2350, which means the movie era uniforms had a run of around 70 years with gradual changes...........

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I did mention all these examples in the video and corresponding blog post ...

When there were uniform changes when I was in the military, it was phased in. Active duty got new uniforms first the reserves/ national guard. I didn't see DCU's until I was at MOB site and ACU's I think in country. The uniform changes from movie era to tng could have been done the same way; as needed until everybody was uniform.

@ryane3703

2 жыл бұрын

I think real life militaries have more of a need for a phase out of old uniforms than starfleet would. There's no reason to keep around old uniforms when starfleet command can send replicator schematics for the new ones to every starship where they'd be replicated at little cost.

@SeruraRenge11

2 жыл бұрын

God I fucking hate ACU, it doesn't blend in with goddamn anything. There is statistical evidence that ACU has gotten soldiers killed. Why we don't use Flecktarn is beyond me.

@novaiscool1

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah plus even if they were being phased in at the start of TNG I could see Starfleet making sure the flagship crew recievez the newest model quickly mainly for the propaganda usage

@devenscience8894

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryane3703 One thing to keep in mind with phasing in and out that would still apply to the Trek timeline is uniform trials. When a new uniform is being considered, it will be issued to a ship or station, for feedback on the wear and tear. So, at any given time even today, there may be the occasional ship who's crew looks different than everyone else. Sometimes they don't approve that uniform, and the ship will go back to the old style, otherwise, they will be slowly rolled out, after minor changes made from feedback to the users.

@ejcmoorhouse

2 жыл бұрын

@@devenscience8894 that makes sense, and we could consider DS9 one such uniform trail before it got rolled out across starfleet as it was by the time voyager launched. This was it seems shortlived and they wanted something less bright to wear during a time of war hence the suddend and quick roll out of the TNG movie uniform.

The movie era from Star Trek 2- 6 is my favorite it always looked very realistic to me.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Those were wonderful uniforms, and among my favorites in the franchise. :)

The Monster Maroons have always been my favorites.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

They are fantastic and among my favorite uniforms too. :)

Very thorough video, my head cannon for the abrupt uniform change was the signing of the second Khitomer Accord which likely happened in the early 2350s and began the transition of Starfleet from military defense back to exploratory.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the early 2350s seems like the major turning point for the uniform transition, perhaps for the reasons you mentioned. Thanks for watching. :)

@kingdomofvinland8827

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude I can see the kitomer accords leading to the uniform change fitting into the lore. Starfleet changing its uniforms to mark a transition from the militaristic/Cold War attitude to a more optimistic one. Focused on peace and exploration.

the thing that makes this all work in canon for is the fact that, Starfleet, as a post scarcity utopia, where creating a new uniform is as easy as designing it, hitting print, and then emailing everybody the new uniform patters, and where humanity has dedicated themselves to personal betterment and scientific and creative pursuits. it totally makes sense that uniform decisions are being made by a team of people with different uniform philosophies who are constantly tinkering with new ideas and rolling them out on permanent or trail basis.

@MegaZeta

2 ай бұрын

I recall the old cartoon had it that the uniforms were, essentially, pressed algae paste.

Uniforms: one of those things everyone knows and sees, yet it doesn't make sense until someone like you puts it altogether. Great research. I personally think one of the reasons for such a dynamic with in styles had to do with the physical shapes of the actors themselves. TOS were fine actors and in shape during their heyday. Fast forward 20-30 years, and you may have noticed they were bigger stars, bigger around the waist. With the exception of Tilly and a handful of others, overweight doesn't seem to be part of StarFleet, even for older and retired officers. I'm not sure if you addressed this, I only watched half the video

@AzraelThanatos

2 жыл бұрын

One other thing that might come into play, in universe, is that different ships might use different uniforms. While I'm still unsure about the series, Lower Decks shows different uniforms on different ships in the same era. I think they've showed the Voyager, TNG, TNG Movie, and DS9 uniforms from different ships. So the uniforms might be a choice of the captain for the ship there as an additional identifier for the people from a specific ship or station.

@ajclements4627

2 жыл бұрын

@@AzraelThanatos That was exactly what they were trying to say happened in STD, that only the crews of the 12 Constitution class starships wore the pre TOS and TOS era uniform and the rest of the Fleet wore the uniforms as seen on Discovery. Then again, it’s been a long standing “fact” that the 12 Connie class crew uniforms had an unique, individual patch, but as of a few years ago, evidence was found that the intent was for all of the Fleet to wear the arrowhead delta patch as seen on TOS with the Enterprise, and the others were errors.

They wore the Wrath of Khan uniform during the Enterprise-C years too. CPT Rachel Garrett and LT Shooter McGavin were both wearing the older starfleet uniform during the ST:TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise."

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I did mention "Yesterday's Enterprise" in the video and the corresponding blog post.

@MegaZeta

2 ай бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude Since someone mentioned to me the lack of undershirts in that episode, I can't help but think of an office full of sweaty people wearing suit jackets over bare skin. I'm sure they probably had A-shirts or something similar on the actual set, but it's a funny mental image.

Dude, thank you. I have been trying to figure out the reason for the jarring way the uniforms changed in-universe for a long time now. A titanic ordeal, making sense of all this mess was, both for your research and Blackman’s tenure as costume designer.

@derekanderson8456

2 жыл бұрын

Huh, thought everyone knew of the 'Jack Crusher' Era uniform. Like in episode Yesterday's Enterprise.

@ProtonFilms_Mark

2 жыл бұрын

@@derekanderson8456 I kinda hoped they’d drop some solid hints as to why the uniform has changed within a couple of years in some cases. Between the Motion Picture and The Wraith of Khan for instance and then between Seasons 2 and 3 of TNG, only to be quickly replaced by the time the events of DS9 take place.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed the video and found it informative. :) Thanks for watching.

I always preferred the Naval style movie uniforms. They seemed more fitting of a ship crew (pun not intended). Like they were honoring a long tradition among sailors.

I'm so glad to finally see a video about this uniforms changes. Been waiting for that for a while.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :) I'll be going more into the TWOK-era uniforms and their evolution in my upcoming costume analyses, so keep an eye out for those on my STCG blog: www.startrekcostumeguide.com/

@kryptonson

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude looking forward to it

Great video! I’ve written out the starfleet uniform timeline many a time before but it’s great to see someone else do a deep dive on this topic. The twok uniform is the best looking, IMO, and longest serving.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen similar breakdowns before too, but I figured I'd give it a go, and in context of what the costume designers may have been thinking at the time. And I agree, when done well, the TWOK-era uniforms look fabulous. :)

Obsessive Costuming Dude? I thought that was me! (Cool video)

It probably also helps to consider the times in the real world when each kind of uniform was released. They were also at least trying to look cool to any given fashion sense of the time, obviously with varying degrees of success. (Also, Admirals' uniforms always seem to be all over the place, presumably they can do what they want that way.)

I read somewhere that the changes in Starfleet uniforms were ment to help inform time travelers what era they have arrived at.

@Stettafire

2 жыл бұрын

Star Trek time travellers so common that they needed a whole protocol for that exact situation?

@michiganborn8303

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stettafire I think there was a Star Trek Voyager episode that Delta with that.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

Жыл бұрын

Haha, that's a good plan!

Great look at this period of Trek history. Love all the BTS stuff too!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :) Thanks for watching!

It’s obviously not canon, but in the 90’s there was a series of books that covered the TNG cast during their time at the academy. They have some illustrations of characters in transitional uniforms.

@jadedoak6255

2 жыл бұрын

Did you like them?

The movie uniforms are just so good!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Robert Fletcher did amazing work on the first four movies.

This was ridiculously enjoyable to watch. Great work putting this together. I want wait for more videos!!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)

I LOVE THOSE UNIFORMS! They’re so Stylish and have that “wow” factor

I really enjoyed the walk-through-well done.. All the costume variations make a lot more sense now. I shared this with my Star Trek podcasting friends-I think they'll enjoy it, too.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for sharing. :)

I think you nailed it!.. You delivered the content perfectly.. you're cadence and tone was that of seasoned broadcaster... meaning you kept your audience enthralled.. ;) The information was above reproach and VERY informative! Thank you!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for all the kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :) Thank you for watching!

Alex your research is unparalleled!

Great video, I miss old Trek.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and me too. :) But at least we have DVD and Blu-ray!

i love the maroon uniform i think its one of the best and the ships of that era are hands down the best looking too.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I love uniforms and starships of that era too. :)

It makes me realise that every now and again Star Trek needs a 79 year "lost era" to allow a new series to begin with a fresh look and feel.

For my geeky ST- and details-obsessed brain this video is absolutely amazing ❤

You have done a great job. Thank you for all the work you have put into this video.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)

Blackman did some amazing work. Much respect.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I agree and adore his work on the franchise, especially DS9. :)

The information I didn't know I absolutely needed until just now

This was an absolutely excellent video! Well done!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching. :)

16:06 col. jack o´neil: OY! YOU! IN THE SKIRT!

It is also possible that different uniform types existed simultaneously. When I was in the Air Force, we had several uniform changes in which after releasing a new uniform, the legacy uniform was valid for several years before it would be completely phased out.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

True, and we did see two uniform styles overlap with seasons 6-7 of TNG and seasons 1-2 of DS9. (Also GENERATIONS, but let's not get into that ...)

I like the subtle difference in VISOR model in the logs in "Identity Crisis"

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Deanna's hairband in "All Good Things ..." was the same one (or at least the same kind) that she wore in "Encounter at Farpoint," too. It's fun when The Powers That Be get callbacks/flashbacks/etc. "right" and the continuity is solid. :)

also worth considering the posture of Starfleet (or the Federation) - if we roll a bit into the future we can see that when the situation is that the Starfleet is in “war” mode, the uniforms thicken and gets more militaristic while when its in peace mode (as in all TNG episodes) the uniform is more light, less heavy. now this changes the original series a bit because… well… we still had the Klingon vs Starfleet situation, but Kirk and the Enterprise was more or less still on adventures thus less involved in actual war. whereelse the events of the movies are exactly when the situation is hot/getting hot (up until the Enterprise C bravely sacrificing itself against the Romulans) might not be the full story, but i would think the political and diplomatic situation of the federation and starfleet is relevant in the change. (hehe… albeit perhaps not intentional - but after all we are talking about a scifi series, so yeah… :) )

@philiptite6254

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great observation/suggestion. I was thinking about this as well as I watched this wonderful video. The shift in DS9 era to the black and grey with division color shirts fits here. As other videos have indicated, Starfleet shifted in the TNG "golden age" toward a seeming utopia with exploration (and only occasional conflicts). We see the same dynamics at play with ship designs prior to and after TNG (notably with the Borg and Dominion War). Now, let's consider the TOS era and TMP. The TOS era was largely exploration with some cold war elements (notably with the Klingons and later with the Romulans). With especially the Organian Peace Treaty, we see shift from the original uniforms (which shifted slightly from the two pilots and the non-Enterprise crew in "Charlie X") to the slim, tightfitting and two color (rather than three color) uniforms (the color shift takes us back to the color scheme of the pilots I think, albeit updated). What had happened a few years before the uniform change (remember this is suppose to be only about two years after the original five-year mission) was the Organian Peace Treaty. There was tension, but no open conflict between the Federation and the Empire. Even the Starfleet officer commenting on the Klingon conflict with V'Ger asked, "Who are they fighting?" We could take that as not only ignorance of a possible threat but also as an indication that the Klingons typical weren't engaged in major military encounters. The era was one of relative peace and stability in the region. And we have the almost jump suit design in uniforms. Jump ahead about a decade and we have TWK uniforms, the more militaristic ones. The political situation had also changed, as indicated in the scenario test and Kirk's comment to Saavik. And the roaming Klingon ship in TSS (and the Grissom's immediate "shields up" shock when the Klingons decloaked) (and the same situation in TFF with a semi-independent Klingon ship eager for glory), all suggest that tensions had risen, stability had weakened, and conflicts (thought not outright war) had become more commonplace. Even the continued yet failed "planet of galactic peace" effort seemed like a poor attempt to ease the new cold war political situation so it did not spark a hot war. So, all of this suggests that we have an onscreen precedent (in universe) to support your suggestion about the political shifts going on with the TNG (or really the post-Enterprise C destruction) move back to a jumpsuit type of uniform (an option that seemed to last for about ten years and then replaced for the more comfortable variant, which last for several more years before DS9/VOY uniforms were introduced (which also seem a bit more "jumpsuit"-ish) and only replaced with the more militaristic DS9 (TNG era films post-Generations) uniforms that came into play with the rising threat from the Dominion, Cardassians, and thus once again the unstable cold-to-hot war tensions across the quadrant. (Now what we do with ENT and DIS is another matter, so also Lower Decks and Picard; but those are other topics to pursue lol.)

Great details and an awesome narration style!! Keep it up!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and for the kind words. :)

Fantastically researched and presented!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

Really enjoyed the video. Thanks for putting it together.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching. :)

In regards to the TNG/DS9 uniform change it seems like starship personnel used the TNG style while station personal used the newer style. If I recall this was fairly consistent up till the introduction of the First Contact uniforms. So that change wasn't a complete transition. Voyager used the new uniforms though so maybe uniforms were changed on newer ships as well?

@daviniarobbins9298

2 жыл бұрын

The TNG era costumes and the DS9 era costumes: I believe Star Fleet were in 46000 ish star date were slowly phasing in a new uniform which took around 2 or 3 years to finally complete. Then of course 2 and a bit years after that phased in the TNG movie uniform part way through DS9 season 5.

@daviniarobbins9298

2 жыл бұрын

Or Star Fleet were trying out a new uniform design and DS9 was one place where it got trialled out. Course the real world explanation was probably the producers of DS9 wanted to distance themselves from TNG with a brand new costume design. The in universe explanation as far as I am aware is never explained. in the DS9 episode where Sisko and Odo return to earth sometime in the 4th DS9 series Sisko changes to a TNG era uniform for no reason that I can think of especially when in ST Generations the crew were changing over to DS9/VOY uniforms.

@wearwolf2500

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviniarobbins9298 I don't really count the Generations uniforms as being a part of continuity. They were going to design new uniforms for the movie but decided against it last minute and so ended up having to literally use the wardrobe from DS9. I'm not sure why they couldn't just reuse their TNG uniforms but that feels more like a real-world than in-universe thing. I've always attributed Sisko changing uniform to be because he was reassigned to Starfleet HQ. Which keeps with the idea that different places used different uniforms.

@NeilBlumengarten

2 жыл бұрын

The strongest evidence for this would be the DS9 4th season two-parter, "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost." Captain Sisko was recalled to Earth and assigned to work with Admiral Layton. While on Earth, Sisko wore the TNG uniform, returning to the DS9 one at the end when he resumed his duties as station commander. Overall, a great video. Having re-watched "Tapestry" last night, it certainly was good timing running across this today. I have to say I love the Monster Maroons and they rank with the "First Contact"/latter DS9 uniforms as my favorites among Trek. I'm not a fan of the stripping of their elements approach to bridging the gap aesthetically, but from a production standpoint it makes sense. Given the time restraints, it's a lot easier to grab a Monster Maroon and strip it down than a season 1/2 TNG and modify it, as we saw with Admiral Janeway in Voyager. I know Rodenberry never wanted Star Fleet to be militaristic, but the use of rank and discipline does suggest some military approaches. I do like how the uniforms do fit the eras well. ENT era: Practicality and comfort for the first mission of its type. DIS (Seasons 1-2): A more military minded version for a time of war. Coming off the Romulan War and into tension and eventually war with the Klingons. TOS: Less military, more focus on individual ships (at least with the badges) for a fleet coming off a war footing and into a frontier mindset. A uniform that was more casual would work better with crews sent out to colonies and unexplored planets. The Klingons of this era seemed to try to compete with the Federation for colony worlds, further prompted to do so by the Organian Treaty. The Romulans slowly come out of isolation at this point, further spurred to do so by the attempted theft of a cloaking device. TMP: An attempt to unify the fleet again, perhaps sensing the "friendly competition" mindset was on the way out. The Klingons go back on a war footing, no longer willing to "play the game". The Romulans also resume a more militaristic mindset, though less antagonistic than the Klingons. TWoK to TUC: An effective Cold War era with minor skirmishes with Klingons that could either be described as "individual ships" or "rogue Captains", as the Klingons while appearing to be more aggressive never seemed, as a whole too eager to wage war, but never wanted the Federation to rest comfortably. The Genesis incident allowed them to posture, perhaps to save face, but they must have known how precarious their situation was, as evidenced by the eventual destruction of the Praxis moon. Likewise, the Romulans didn't want to actually engage the Federation, but still wanted the Federation to know a war was always a possibility. TNG: There is a treaty with the Klingons and the Romulans have again retreated to isolationism. The so-called "Cardassian War" is more one-sided than the Cardassians would like to admit. For the first time since TOS both the Federation and Star Fleet are feeling comfortable. Unlike TOS, the mindset is less frontier than scientific advancement. Star Fleet's main mission is no longer primarily to check on colonies and establish new territories, but rather to see the wonders of the universe, and, hey bring your families with you. Of course, as Q is wont to point out, there's danger out there, too and in a manner of 5 or so years, they poke three proverbial twin hornet nests of the Borg and the Dominion. FC/latter DS9: The Federation and Star Fleet try desperately to cling to their high ideals as threats besiege them again and again. The Romulans once again emerge. The Klingons are manipulated into a Civil War (partially by the Romulans) and later into war with the Federation due to the Dominion. The Borg make a major incursion resulting in Star Fleet's biggest loss since arguably the Klingon War precipitated by the Battle of the Binary Stars. Tensions with the Cardassians flair up again and peaceful attempts to handle it result in the creation of the Marquis. So once again the Federation veers more militaristic. Again, all wonderfully shown through the style of uniform we see on screen.

@BenjaminRoethig

2 жыл бұрын

The TNG uniforms of the Era were More formal Class-As service uniforms while the DS9/ VOY uniforms were Class B working uniforms. I'm guessing they may have been introduced at the same time as the high collar Class-As, but Picard did not loosen up and allow their use until sometime between all good things and generations..

Lost Era uniforms are without a doubt the best looking ones

I loved the red movie uniforms!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I love the TWOK-era uniforms too.

Great video! I annoy my friends about these uniform changes all the time!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

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Well, one thing to note, is that Scotty was retired. So he wouldn't have been bound by current uniform regulations. Very interesting video!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Good point, and thanks for watching. :)

Great video! At least it makes sense from the Monster Maroon to the one-piece jumpsuit/skant. Kinda also explains how Starfleet went from handheld communicators to communicator badge (combadge), with the movie era chest badge having being updated with combadge like components.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

The transition was subtle and somewhat vague, but I do think Blackman did the best he could and made the most of what he had. The TNG-era communicator was one of the finishing touches of an improbable, impractical uniform transition reconciled as best as possible. Thanks for watching. :)

Thank you for the analysis! I have always had an interest in doing a Lost Era cosplay, such as with the styles seen in Yesterday’s Enterprise or Wesley’s father.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you found it interesting. Thanks for watching! :)

Jack Crusher seems to be the best way to pin down a date. Was wearing movie style when making a recording for baby Wesley and TNG style at death.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that being an actual recording rather than something inside the characters' heads does make for harder evidence.

Another very important point about Blackman's approach to the uniforms, taking existing uniform costumes and simply changing the bits and bobs on them is much cheaper than making whole new uniforms.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Making the most out of what you have while still being as creative as you can is just good production. :) TWOK had a comparatively tiny budget, and ST5 had a much larger budget than the preceding movies. It's all about doing your best and making the best use of what you have to work with. :)

Thank you. I had been curious about this for literal decades. Before this I thought there was just a sudden transition between Picard getting stabbed and the TNG era. Subtlety like that was lost on me.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I'm glad you found the video informative. :) Thanks for watching!

Red Chef jackets with a strap and a belt. I love trek but that always gave me a chuckle.

Just wanted to say - that for me, at least, it’s terribly helpful to have all dates referenced relative to “Encounter at Far Point,” as you have done. It really helped me keep track of the (dis-)continuity! Also, terrific work overall, with just the right amount of attention to detail - thank you! (Pointing out goofs can be fun, but sometimes, imho, it’s lovely just to get on with it. Well done!)

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. Thanks for watching. :)

Subbed! One video and I'm already in love with this channel lol. I love how indepth you go with these uniforms, awesome work! Question: do you ever wonder what the Romulan uniforms looked like in the TOS movie era and the lost era? I realize that the TOS movie era mostly revolves around the Klingons, but it almost seems like a crime that we only see a handful of romulans in Star Trek 6 out of all of those original series cast movies and he was an ambassador at that. I've always wondered how they transitioned from the TOS romulan uniforms to the gray with big shoulder pads uniforms we see in TNG and beyond.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words, and for subscribing. :) I've never actually wondered about the "Lost Era" Romulan uniforms ... until now!

One thing to remember is that uniforms don't "evolve" like living organisms. They are certainly "adapted" under certain circumstances but uniforms are designed so you don't necessarily need "transitional" forms in-between styles. So here's my theory : The "Beige Pajamas" uniform was introduced around the time of ST:TMP. It was very practical but nobody liked the look so the "Monster Maroons" are introduced as a dressier option. But jumpsuits in various styles and colour schemes are also worn by cadets, enlisted personnel and other personnel that are usually in the background. Monster Maroons are vey popular (hence their longevity) but they start being "dressed" down with time because people need something in between a dress uniform and a working uniform. So they remove the belt, the cross strap, some of the bling etc. While this is going on, the original TNG spandex jumpsuit is created at some point and is worn, again, by people we don't see on screen. And at some point that spandex jumpsuits become the norm. The old maroon uniform (or what is left of it) is finally retired but is the basis for the new long wraparound dress tunic because Starfleet still needs a dress uniform. That evolution would also help explain the Departmental colours switch, red having been the "default" colour for so long it naturally became the "Command" colour. That sequence of events fits the historical tendency of newer, more practical uniforms being introduced and relegating the older style to being more of a dress uniform.

@AzraelThanatos

2 жыл бұрын

It might also work that the Beige Pajamas uniform was still, technically, a uniform for the rest, just that most people actually preferred the Monster Maroons, which is a more dress uniform design that had variants such as the vest as a part of it. I, also, kind of like the concept that the Andorians managed to shift the general temperature of Federation ships colder, which prompted the higher use of a warmer uniform. I have this idea of a lot of species groaning as the Vulcans and Andorians still have some lesser disagreements that pop up from their older issues with each other (though the Vulcans deny it) and you have the temp and humidity of ships standards shifting back and forth by whoever handles such regulations. By TNG, they tried to switch to a single uniform type...but with the various versions it shifted more into a ship/station option where the captain picks the one they want for their ship...which explains things like the USS Titan and Cerritos (and other ships) in Lower Decks using different uniforms.

@jean-philippedecarie2024

2 жыл бұрын

On thing that I realize looking back is that there was A LOT of variations in the uniforms in ST:TMP. So it might have been a trial period for new uniforms (which is much easier to do on a wide scale when you have replicators) with a choice a different colours, patterns etc. to get the opinion of everyone.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

@@jean-philippedecarie2024 TMP did have a bazillion uniform classes and variations. Maybe Starfleet was just trying out some things to see what its officers and crew preferred?

There were also the bodies of the crew on the Pegasus wearing the earlier TNG style spandex.

@curmudgeonextraordinaire1884

2 жыл бұрын

They did that with a lot of extras, since they probably had more of those costumes in stock than the two piece hero versions.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Good catch! :) I'd actually thought about that one but didn't remember there being any crew members around when Riker and Pressman beamed aboard. Sure enough there were a couple dead "goldshirts" lying around in the background.

Scotty wore the movie-era uniform because he was no longer on active duty. They made it clear he had retired. It would be like someone retiring from the Army in 1980; they can still wear the old uniform, but since they're not active duty any more, there's no real incentive for them to upgrade (and it might even make things more confusing, as people would think he was still on active duty).

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not familiar with current military uniform regulations, but that is interesting and makes sense.

The thing about the entire TNG era uniforms is that is was easy to distinguish rank and position at least for the officers. It was hard to tell the position for the enlisted.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I do like how quickly and easily one can identify a character's division and rank with the TNG-era uniforms.

Great analysis. I love the TOS movie uniforms (well, not the Motion Picture uniforms). The TNG uniforms were also good - at least the one from season 3 onwards. Wasn't keen on the DS9 (and Voyager uniform) change to the polar-neck jumper/jump suit deigns, though.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching. :)

Interesting video, I like how these little conundrums get solved. I thought the blue Discovery uniforms were a great evolution from the blue Enterprise ones. Looking forward to seeing what SNW is going to do

Fascinating.

Amazing video. So interesting how the costume designer was able to affect canon/in-universe history like that.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it. :) I wonder if when Blackman came on board, he had any idea he wasn't only shouldering the responsibility for the show itself, but the entire preceding era.

Hey this channel will explode in a good way one day. Just letting you know.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads-up. Here's to hoping! :)

Really interesting video! Based on the examples you present here, 2350 would seem to be a nice conjectural date for the shift to the jumpsuits. Maybe Starfleet went for a mid-century shift back towards exploration, etc. following the Klingon alliance initiatives after the Enterprise C was destroyed, and so looked back to the “glory days” of the TOS era - thus ushering in the “golden age” in the early TNG era where they flew around in cities in space!

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

Kirk wore a vest in TWOK, and Generations. ?????.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

Those "Pajama" uniforms were a Roddenberry idea. Those in my opinion were the worst. Only Admiral Kirk's uniform had class.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

McCoy in that movie era jacket would have made him seem like an old traditionalist.☺

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Scott was wearing museum quality clothes. Also, he was issued a com badge over his officers bar pin.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

2353, Picard still had hair !!!!.

We also see the Season 1 TNG uniform in a photo of Crusher and her ghost banging grandmother in “Sun Rosa”. It’s not dated, other than being before or just after the start of the series, but it’s another quick appearance of that uniform. I’d also wonder if they got McFadden to wear Pulaski’s old skant uniform for that photo, as I believe the standard uniforms for all modified with collars for the junior officers in later seasons (they being the ones with the zipper line down the front). I doubt Pulaski’s skant would have be modified given it was it’s own piece. 14:27 Just to be picky, the movie chest badge was already a communicator by 2344, as Castillo on the Enterprise-C used his to call other crewmembers (the one time he actually wore one anyway!)

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Good catch! I hadn't remembered the photo of Beverly and her grandmother. Without having been there, my GUESS would be that the overwhelming majority of the existing TNG jumpsuits were upgraded to the seasons 3+ style, but at least a small supply would've been left unaltered specifically for future use in all the flashbacks, time-travel scenarios, etc. If not though, they would've definitely still had patterns for Theiss' original uniform designs and (provided they had the time) could've whipped up more uniforms as-needed.

Yes, but don't dare to tell that those coats Kirk &Co wore on the wrath of Khan weren't the coolest ever!

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Those TWOK-era field uniforms were pretty awesome. I did mention those (and why I believe we didn't see them on TNG) in the next video, "The TNG-era Uniform Paradigm." kzread.info/dash/bejne/dHtmzNeppc6zmps.html

@FranciscoPartidas

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude I love those field jackets they wore on excursions

I subscribed because of this video 👍

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and subscribing! :)

What's leading you to classify young Picard as wearing an "enlisted uniform"? I've always understood the tan topped ones as being cadet uniforms.

@KerbalSpaceCommand

2 жыл бұрын

That style were for cadets and enlisted. The difference between the two was the color of the collar. I think the red collar was for cadets and black collar for enlisted, but all the characters in the Starfleet Academy game had black collars.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

The spandex jumpsuits were for enlisted crew, whereas the wool jackets + trousers were for commissioned officers.

@KerbalSpaceCommand

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude The jumpsuits were for both cadets and enlisted. You could tell them apart by the color of their collars. I don't remember which color was for cadet, if it was black then that wasn't a mistake.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

@@KerbalSpaceCommand the red collars were for trainees, and the black collars were for enlisted. The jumpsuits themselves were otherwise the same. Robert Fletcher mentioned this in his costume design notes, and we see several officers-in-training (like Saavik in TWOK) who wore the wool two-piece with the red division shirt and corresponding jacket strap/band to indicate she was a cadet.

@bostonrailfan2427

2 жыл бұрын

@@KerbalSpaceCommand exactly my thinking, he’s at the academy and it was shown in the movies that the cadets wore that uniform

would love to hear your thoughts, the behinds the scenes lore, and factoids upon the 29th Century uniforms as seen in Voyager. from Allan G. Royal's Captain Braxton 'Future's End' to Bruce McGill's Captain Braxton 'Relativity' more flushed out look, like why there seems to be such a shift in division colors to blue(command) green (almost hunter or forest green)(sci) and red(ops) if memory serves.

@DaisukeTrekFan

2 жыл бұрын

I think ops was a burnt orange, but yes I agree that that would be awesome to hear discussed. I've always wondered about the design concept and where the idea for the colours came from.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I do plan to eventually post about some of the "alternate future" uniforms we saw in the shows. :)

If it's still able to hold air that is perfectly good for flying in space. You never abandoned a ship if it's still serviceable in some fashion.

LOL - I love "You can't do that!"

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

You can't triple stamp a double stamp!

One thing Trek could learn from another show B5, JMS had a few demands on uniforms. Pockets for stuff that the pjs lacked and layered pieces suitable for different conditions exspecially later with crusade with an explorer crew. Arms came off and over coat/vest depending on temps.

Don't underestimate the possibility of uniform variation running concurrently. A facet of RL uniforms is that they have variations, in many cases a particular variation or 'style' is coordinated to be worn on specific days or under specific operating conditions. In a naval context this variation can be different from ship to ship.

This was a real good watch. Haven't long finished watching TNG for the first time in years and didn't even twig that they had made gradual changes to the movie uniforms other than the collar being removed. I could probably watch infinite videos on Star Trek costume details.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for watching. There are many more videos like this I'd like to do. :)

I think there might even be some room for customization in this era. We've only seen a few transitory uniforms, there could be variants with or without belts, with collars, less turtlenecky ones. I kind of hope we will see some in the future of Trek, providing they still remain faithful to the original design.

Nice work

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and thank you for watching. :)

Great video, I really enjoyed it. :) I remember in Yesterday's Enterprise, Lt. Richard Castillo used his old style badge like a TNG communicator, which I found interesting at the time. It made me wonder when the handheld flip style communicator was replaced with a combadge. For all we know, they could have been using combadges in The Undiscovered Country?

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

11 ай бұрын

Great observation! I'm an expert on the progression of props and accessories so I couldn't say, but it's interesting to think about. :)

To my mind, the TNG era uniforms are by far my favorite of any Trek show/movie. I know the cast hated them, but I prefer the uniforms from the first two seasons over the collared two piece of laters seasons. The said, I'd proudly wear any of the uniforms from the TNG era over any other.

Agree with what most are saying. In real life it was the show runner and costume designers decision, but in storyline the Burgundy-Era Movie uniforms are the result of the increasing tension with the Klingon Empire, and to be a complete 180 from the Pajama Uniforms of TMP which were very unpopular with officers. The gradual changes make sense along with the peace/allegiance with the Klingon Empire and the Cardassian War ending to go more casual. Following Wolf 359 Starfleet got more militaristic which lead to the TNG movie grey uniforms with the division undershirt. These lasted until sometime after Picard was promoted to the Verity and gave the Enterprise-E to Worf where the uniforms were division colored again but still formal, and then eventually more casual by Star Trek: Picard era where the uniforms looked like the X-Men movie uniforms meets TNG colors. If you look at sports for example, even teams like the New York Yankees and Green Bay Packers who essentially have had the same uniforms, there are slight subtle variations in either fabric or accessories from lets say the 60s-present.

Thanks. This is a case of I once cared sooo much I read everything to explain it ... and around twenty years ago - after a lifetime from 69, I just lost interest. That's part of my personal lost era. (Although I have all the ST DVD's.) There's still major questions like, what happened to Tiger in the Brady Bunch? I hope they didn't eat him! The major questions I used to care about .... Thanks for answering some ST uniform questions I'd forgotten I once cared about. Much appreciate it. EDIT: Thumbs Up, and Subscribed.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and subscribing. :)

A video I saw from a KZreadr, as an internal reference for Star fleet crews who have time travel situations It easily identifies the era they have moved into eg, Yesterday's Enterprise

I've always liked Piccard's jacket (overcoat?). It seems so worn that it could be old enough to have come from a previous uniform iteration.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Picard's "Darmok" (introduced and worn frequently throughout season 5, often seen in season 6, and barely seen in season 7) was a cool uniform with some notable TWOK stylistic influence, especially with the pant legs. :)

Here’s something I found out Star Trek the next generation premiered 2 weeks after full house premiered both premiering in September 1987 but full house ran until 1995. Two shows airing back to back one being a wholesome family comedy show and the other a sci fi action adventure show

In the U.S. Navy, for third class petty officers and up, personnel with less than twelve years of service wear rate insignia on their service dress blues with red chevrons and rockers, whereas personnel with greater than twelve years of service and good conduct wear gold chevrons and rockers (those without good conduct are relegated to red). That may have informed the decision in Star Trek Generations to have red on the monster maroons' department-colored arm straps for junior personnel like Demora Sulu and Tuvok, and gold for senior personnel like Kirk, Scotty, Chekov, and Harriman. All of the examples you show are all ensigns or lieutenant junior grades, which would be junior personnel.

In one of Ensign Ro's first appearances, Ro and Picard visit a Bajoran refugee camp on a planet. Ens. Ro takes off her Starlet uniform tunic or jacket and gives it to a little girl who is cold and lacks a jacket. We see Ens. Ro is a sleeveless undershirt. So by that time, the uniform tunics or jackets were that style, rather than a pullover. And if I remember right, in TNG season 1, we see Dr. Crusher and one or two other people partially unit their top / tunic, either front or back; front, I think. But I think that may have been a special variant for the purpose, with the uniforms ordinarily being back-ip so a upper or seam would not show in front.

@benw9949

11 ай бұрын

If I remember right, the TMP (movie 1) uniforms, or at least bolts of fabric, were still around and were repurposed, redesigned and given dye tests, to transform into the Bajoran uniforms. I think I also had read that was why the Monster Maroon uniforms were maroon, was that they dyed either the khaki / beige or the blue / grayish fabric to the marron so they could reuse it.

I still like the lost era uniforms from the TOS movies era II-VI. But when it comes to the TNG uniforms, they have their place in Federation history. I didn't even mind the TMP uniforms.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

11 ай бұрын

I know we are in the relative minority, but I actually like most of the TMP-era uniforms too. :)

Nice way to make sense of the often subtle changes to the "monster maroons" from the movie era. At first it bothered me that the uniforms on the Enterprise C were basically the same jackets from the movies. You point out details that I missed. Given modern Trek's (and especially the JJ-verse) trend of wildly different uniforms in use at the same time, it still seems to me that there should have been something unique between the movie era uniforms and TNG.

@reneschmidt9799

2 жыл бұрын

That was my first thought, too. In the C-Enterprise era, the producers could have used the updated Movie Uniform at minute 6:40. It was probably all a matter of time and cost. Really a pity.

@garrettrigoni6864

2 жыл бұрын

@@reneschmidt9799 Yeah - I totally understand it was due to budget constraints that we didn't get a unique Enterprise C uniform, but unfortunately it was one of those jarring moments that took me out of the story. Still, Yesterday's Enterprise remains one of my favorite episodes.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Individually, I like nearly all of the reboot uniforms in the JJ-verse ("Kelvin timeline") fine, but I agree that none of them feel at all like a uniform "family" like the TOS, TMP, TWOK, TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT-era uniforms did.

@garrettrigoni6864

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude What I liked about the JJ-verse uniforms was the different versions were for specific purposes - the red uniforms for the cadets, the grey "shore" uniforms verses the TOS-style shipboard ones. Not to mention the TMP-inspired admiral uniform Pike wore at the end of 2009.

The movie uniforms DID retain the three department colors, red, gold and blue. Look at the movie era uniform trouser strips. They define the department color. Kirk wears Command Red (just like in TNG), McCoy wears Science/Medical Blue, and Scotty wears Operations/Engineering Gold (like in TNG). Only the turtleneck color segregates these Department into colors denoting sun-departments. Kirk wears Command Red, and the white turtleneck designating that he was the captain of a ship, or an admiral. Spock also wears a white turtleneck, because he was a ship’s captain. McCoy wears Science/Medical Blue, with a greenish Turtleneck because he’s the Chief medical Officer.

One thing I found very strange in “Yesterday’s Enterprise” is that they were wearing TMP style phasers when they were long past their time.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting - I'm not a props guy, so I hadn't noticed that. Maybe at that point in the war with the Klingons, Starfleet needed every weapon that could still point and shoot?

@Clay3613

2 жыл бұрын

Starfleet is notoriously slow to phase out older tech much like how certain ship classes are still hanging around during the Dominion War.

_Yesterday's Enterprise_ also had the alt-timeline Starfleet uniform with a belt and extra bits of contrasting shoulder straps. It could be taken for an alternate development on the maroons that kept a (fittingly) more militaristic style.

@JohnSmith-bk9iz

2 жыл бұрын

They also had black at the sleeves end. There is a mess up at the end when Laforge and Guinean are talking and you can see he is still wearing the alt uniform

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't mention the "Yesterday's Enterprise" Enterprise D uniforms because while the episode did give us a glimpse into the uniforms of "The Lost Era," the events of the episode were set during the TNG-era. It's possible the added belts/harnesses/etc. may have been influenced by the preceding TWOK-era uniforms, but as we saw on DS9 and ENTERPRISE, Blackman did have a thing for adding belts and harnesses to otherwise-similar uniform styles for Mirror Universe, alternate timeline, etc. stories.

Someone probably already mentioned it, but the Voyager flashback uniform was the unused design from Generations. Apparently they weren’t particularly flattering for the cast and changed during production. It was such an abrupt change that the cast didn’t necessarily even have their own costumes fitted but borrowed from DS9, which is why a lot of the time they didn’t look like they were sized properly (because they weren’t). Personally I think that was a misstep, the early DS9 uniforms made it clear when someone was station personnel as opposed to a ship (with Sisko even switching back during his time on earth), although I can see them wanting to differentiate Voyager from TNG with the later style.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

There was a new uniform style for GENERATIONS that was abandoned, but it looked very different from the uniform Admiral Janeway wore in "Coda."

The movies uniform is my favorite. By far.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I love those uniforms too. They're in my top three favorites. :)

@raybarry4307

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObsessiveCostumingDude l love them Because they're military looking. Nothing annoys me more about Trek then the Federation's rantings about it being an exploration organization not a military. Every time I have to hear that I think 🙄🙄🙄 really??? Is that why the "exploration ship" USS Enterprise is classified as a Heavy Cruiser or why it has powerful phaser batteries and 150 torpedoes. OK dude. Whatever helps you sleep at night. You must be "Exploring" some very grumpy gaseous nebula. 😆 🤣 😂

You should point out that the st movie uniform is a variation of the jacket from the cage episode.

It's curious that the movie era uniforms didn't use that bottle green color from Arm. Kirk's Movie 1 dress uniform as one of the difision colors, maybe sciences and medical. Instead, Spock had either white or a very pale sky blue, McCoy had that avocado green, and Uhura and Choke got the blue-grey while potty and Sulu got the mustard gold. Plus, a very bright maroon / burgundy for the jacket and the crew jumpsuits. I think the TNG rationale was to have fewer uniform colors to deal with or get confused. But the change in the TNG uniforms to the collar and better fit made better sense. The later D9 and Voyager uniforms are more practical. -- We can narrow down that the Enterprise C crew used a simplified version of the movie era uniform, and Picard a a cadet and young officer wore a version also. So sometime while Picard was a young to middle officer wa when the change to the TNG uniform happened.

Still love that man skirt!!! Wonder what his job was??

Don't forget though that the color variation gold to red was flipped around for the next generation series from the original series. If you're wearing a gold uniform in the next generation series it's like being a red shirt in the original.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude

2 жыл бұрын

I did mention the color swap in the next video, "The TNG-era Uniform Paradigm." :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/dHtmzNeppc6zmps.html