Shaq Shares Why Kevin Durant Doesn’t Belong In GOAT Debates
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“He’s one of the greatest 7 footers, that plays like a 2 guard.” Well damn Bellamy he is the greatest if you create his own category for him. Might as well have added “who don’t bench press, or comb his hair.”
@beastboy9472
5 ай бұрын
spitting
@kb8866
5 ай бұрын
😂
@Travvv94
5 ай бұрын
Gotta show some respect to the greatest player to ever make multiple burner accounts
@Denzel191
5 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@GarbageMan144
5 ай бұрын
Get a life lmao
If Duncan aint in it, KD for sure isnt in it. Duncan should've pounded his chest more and done more media ass kissing
@stevenscummy1458
5 ай бұрын
If Duncan danced to rap music and showed up to media press conferences with a bunch of chains and diamonds on the media would rank him higher
@Maja-hs5pd
5 ай бұрын
@@stevenscummy1458not true
@Camefromnone
5 ай бұрын
@@stevenscummy1458no centre or power forward will ever be the goat anymore unless they can dribble ,shoot , pass and athletic
@stevenscummy1458
5 ай бұрын
@@Camefromnone Nah this current era outlaws defense and physicality. People who weren't old enough to remember pre-2015 NBA won't know the difference, but everybody else does
@travisstrickland7270
5 ай бұрын
Bro Shaq mentioned Curry. 😅. If that's the case KD definitely in GOAT convo. KD was clearly better than Curry even on his own team.
The issue is they're sitting beside someone that no one has ever seen before in Shaq. And Shaq doesn't put himself in the conversation
@jbssmith100
5 ай бұрын
Because he couldn't shoot
@jakepalmer8201
5 ай бұрын
@jbssmith100 There are more people that have existed that could conceivably do what KD does with enough practice and support then there are people that could effectively do what Shaq did.
@Querymonger
5 ай бұрын
@@jbssmith100who cares if you still cant stop him. Shaq's dunks give you the same points as all KD or Kyries long middies
@jbssmith100
4 ай бұрын
Being dominant inside and an all around great are two different things. Shaq missed thousands of points on free throws alone which are some of the easiest shots in the league hence the word "free" in it. KD can score in the paint, mid range, from 3, and take you on the dribble. This is why Shaq doesn't include himself in the debate because he was just dominant inside. Not enough for GOAT consideration. Top 3 big men all time no doubt but he lacked many CORE BASKETBALL SKILLS.@@Querymonger
@Vennnnnnnnnn
4 ай бұрын
@@jbssmith100u realize teams had to have 3 people foul out of the game to slow shaq down right? regardless of his ability to shoot freethrows or not, being so dominant that youre forcing teams to throw players at you as a strategy is insane
KD is KD, but he doesnt inspire a struggling team to win, he just wins for them. Like chuck says, he doesnt drive the bus.
@atrain_7300
4 ай бұрын
💯
That Warriors move single handedly takes him out that conversation
@tbjb009
5 ай бұрын
People fail to always mention this though: The Warriors went for him, not the other way around!
@dontbescared512
5 ай бұрын
@@tbjb009 who cares bro that just beat him hell naa
@MmaMadman85
5 ай бұрын
If you honestly believe that then the moment Lebron went to Miami and teamed up with Wade and Bosh, that takes him out of the conversation as well.
@jaredm5625
5 ай бұрын
He lost to them in the conference finals shut up
@dontbescared512
5 ай бұрын
@@MmaMadman85 its not the same clown be original and come up with your own thought process instead of sounding like a npc
I’m a KD fan but he not in the goat debate he’s close but I remember he said he left OKC because he was “Tired” of being the guy Jordan would of looked at him crazy 😂
@smokesmitty1
5 ай бұрын
U don’t understand what he saying unless u had his experience
@vinjoned7081
5 ай бұрын
He was tired of having coaches that let Russ do whatever the fuck he wanted without any serious accountability
@dxtremecaliber
5 ай бұрын
@@vinjoned7081lmao as if hes not the one isoed his way to choke the 3-1 against the Wariors lol
@vinjoned7081
5 ай бұрын
@@dxtremecaliber okay and I watched Russ completely ignore him and take contested threes or long twos just as many times.Its always been known that Russ did things his way granted he’s gotten a lot better as the years go.Theres a reason he was easily able to mesh with Steph and klay clown
@riccoharris8991
5 ай бұрын
@@vinjoned7081 so u go too a team with 2 dudes who shoot 10+ threes a game if he had a issue with Russ which I have never seen anything about I’m sure they would of talked it through
Kawhi did it with Toronto. Everyone forgets Wilt, he had the best one line ever when he was going back and forth with Jordan, “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so l couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.”
@JaeSproo
5 ай бұрын
Mike was dominating WITH hand-checking! He only played a few years without that rule. They had to change the rule because defense was making games UGLY. They were just mugging people.
@elderesquire
5 ай бұрын
This is Cap. Kawhi had 1 year left on his contract and was traded to Toronto. Won a chip then left. Not the same ha all.
@elderesquire
5 ай бұрын
@@JaeSprooyour a casual as well. Illegal defense was created so Jordan can dominate. You clowns say anything that Jordan says as Gospel. #goeducateyourself
@RIPJoeRogan69
5 ай бұрын
bozo@@elderesquire
@biggeneral1979
5 ай бұрын
@@elderesquireThat’s true to be real nothing Wilt said was a lie or wrong Jordan definitely benefited from the rule changes and had the refs in his pocket he was great but he was also pushed by the agenda of the NBA to make him a mega star Wilt was not
He doesn’t belong in that conversation… He doesn’t have the accomplishments to be there. Talent and ability alone doesn’t put you there
@MmaMadman85
5 ай бұрын
So team accomplishments put you there? Because KD is the most decorated Olympic player of all time, 2nd in scoring titles only to MJ, 6x all-nba 1st team, 4x all nba 2nd team, 14x all-star, MVP, 2x FMVP, 2x 50-40-90 club member, he tore his achilles and his shooting stats went up. Saying he doesn't have the accomplishments is admitting that the GOAT is a team award.
@Dom2.0
5 ай бұрын
Why not? The goat should be based on the individual not tge TEAM accomplishments. Some players had more help than there's so why would you even think of a team accomplishment in a individuals title lol
@rogerdread38
5 ай бұрын
Duran is better than LeBron queen
@W3althy_Burrito
5 ай бұрын
Needs more than 1 mvp otherwise you could argue kawhi belongs in the goat convo@MmaMadman85
@Dom2.0
5 ай бұрын
@w3althyburrito792 how many does Kobe have? Voted awards domt really mean anything because of the politics behind them. Yall cry snub and this n that every single year on mvp and all star stuff but you can understand? Weird...
Shaq said it perfect he’s in his own category like Shaq is frfr
@ownthelibs
4 ай бұрын
Shaq was the bus driver. Why is he comparing himself to KD
@gioelecarparelli6193
4 ай бұрын
@@ownthelibsKD has always been the bus driver in his career. Stop.
@Coldass
4 ай бұрын
@@gioelecarparelli6193kd rode a Tesla bus foh
No kd is not in the debate
@fashionlife5348
5 ай бұрын
He is the goat
@JPK169
5 ай бұрын
L
@gillroygarlic3616
5 ай бұрын
He is. People keep whining cause he went to the warriors and got support from all stars. Lebron got kyrie, the big three Kobe got shaq Jordan got pippen and rodman Etc Kd joined a white hot team and should’ve got a 3peat. That’s goat status convo.
@LinkTheKink
5 ай бұрын
how is that goat status u joined the best team in the league what r u going on about kd has 2 fmps in like 16 years in the league hes trash all he can do is score midrange pullup or 3 its not impressive u should see how many 34 ppg seasons mj has or 37 ppg hes not even a better scorer than luka LOL luka averaging 28.5 for a career w 73 point game kd is 27.2 with 55 highest scoring game hes not a better scorer than kareem, embiid, wilt, mj, kobe etc@@gillroygarlic3616
@rankyb8088
5 ай бұрын
He wanted to be in th convo, he got in and the people said NO
Shaq’s opinion is actually reasonable here. Shaq is in the special category “one of the most dominant players” (along with Wilt). And KD is in the special category “one of the most prolific scorers” (along with MJ and Wilt). I can agree with that.
Its not JUST that he lost and joined GS.. Its the fact that GS was LITERALLY the best team EVER record wise BEFORE he joined them.. Between Steph realizing what happened to them vs Cleveland, and KD wanting to stop losing to LB so much.. They both made a decision to get over him and it honestly only killed KDs legacy..
Shaq won 4 championships and was one of the main reason he won. Golden states won a championship before KD and after KD and KD didn’t win shit without golden states
@danteprice1874
4 ай бұрын
Case closed 💯
Denver is the reigning NBA Champions with 1 superstar. That era is not over. A few years ago Milwaukee did the same.
@Patton001
5 ай бұрын
You crazy if you think Murray isn’t a superstar. Same with Parker /Ginobli/ Kawai, I consider all nba defense players superstars
@TheRulersBack18
5 ай бұрын
@@Patton001 murray ain't made an all-star team, much less an all-nba team. he's a really good player tho
@josephokorie3642
5 ай бұрын
@@Patton001thats an all star caliber player but he hasn’t made it yet now bucks is different being that middleton was also an all star
@MeTakingAStand
5 ай бұрын
one superstar yes but the entire team is so good and so deep. also Murray is close, particularly how he plays in the playoffs.
@joshuajap
4 ай бұрын
Facts anyone who disagrees is ignorant
Kobe and Mike were first team all defensive like 12+ times each.
@User69-699
5 ай бұрын
Kobe wasn’t
@abrahamasseffa386
5 ай бұрын
Kobe holds the record for most first team all defensive selections and the most amongst gaurds in total selections. Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, Garnett and Bryant share the record for most NBA All-Defensive first team selections with nine. Kobe Bryant has made a total of 12 All-Defensive teams, more than any other guard. Wiki it.
@lazndora2026
5 ай бұрын
*9
@Kalinbuggs
5 ай бұрын
@@User69-699both weren’t Kobe & MJ 9x 1st team all d and Kobe has 12 total
@2kgrindtime
5 ай бұрын
No not true
KD is one of the greatest basketball players to touch the basketball. Lead the league in scoring for many years as a new player in the league.
@Lildirt15
5 ай бұрын
That simple 💯💯
@ekeneedebeatu2595
5 ай бұрын
They just making excuses to not put him in that conversation
@penkima4923
5 ай бұрын
@@ekeneedebeatu2595 KD doesn't have many excuses to be in the conversation.
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
True. But he not a goat 😂
@slamdunk2270
4 ай бұрын
LeBron compared to KD has: - a better point per game average - a better field goal percentage - on more games played (so more difficult) … and yet he’s not seen as much as a great scorer as KD ! 😂 KD is just the eye test: scoring on jumpers with this height and fluidity, got everyone thinking he’s unstoppable while the only time he was truly unstoppable and proved it to be until winning the chip was with the Warriors when opponents had to guard Curry and Thompson on the same floor 💀 KD is no where near the GOAT debate. Not even top 15 in my book.
If you look at KDs teammates over his career... We've never seen him by himself ever
@Christopher._M
5 ай бұрын
If you didn't just roster watch you would know he's had more injuries to his roster than any all time great. In his 17 year career that is 16 years played because he missed one entire year due to the ACL. He's had 1 or 2 starters injured in the playoffs 6 different seasons and missed 3 playoff years basically. So in 16 years he's really only had 7 years to win a chip. 2-3 of those were when he was under 22 years old.
@Shareef505
5 ай бұрын
No one is ever by themselves tbh it’s a team sport 😂
@blinkonce29
5 ай бұрын
@@Shareef505 I know , that's my point I've never seen what he looks like with out a stacked roster. Jordan and Kobe were putting up God like numbers. LeBron was dragging subpar teams to the finals. Durant hasn't done anything spectacular or note worthy outside of the finals run with OKC and the Warriors. He has no real playoff moments whatsoever. His toe being on the 3 point line ?? Maybe lol like seriously Durant hasn't done anything memorable. He has no iconic moments
@blinkonce29
5 ай бұрын
@@Christopher._M You are missing my point, Durant doesn't have any memorable moments in the playoffs or anything spectacular whatsoever. All you did was list a bunch of excuses. I'm those moments are what I'm talking about when he didn't have a loaded roster he didn't over come it. He didn't do what Jordan, Kobe and Bron did and literally beat the odds. 2 of the worst Rosters ever to make the finals had LeBron on the team. Jordan was winning everything but a title. We watched Kobe drop 81 and literally ball his Achilles off getting his teams in the playoffs and going to the finals. Durant has no signature moment in his NBA career other than going to the warriors. What's his career defining moment.
@blinkonce29
5 ай бұрын
@@Christopher._M And I don't just roster watch buddy I watch basketball. You didn't even address what I said just listed an career injury report instead of addressing what I said. We never seen KD have to carry a team ever.
KD is a bad man, no debate there, but he hasn’t played enough elite level defense IMO for me to consider him in the GOAT conversation. Same thing for Steph.
@kelahamutenya3217
5 ай бұрын
Defense lmao you narrative shifters make up any criteria
@TheMidnightSun33
5 ай бұрын
Neither has Lebron lol Lebron gets scored on a lot btw
@kelahamutenya3217
5 ай бұрын
@@TheMidnightSun33 tell me any great player in history of the entire game that doesnt get scored on? This is the NBA can we stop acting this isn't normal. We act like every great player got defense like Ben Wallace. LeBron has the most iconic defensive plays in the most critical moments in the playoffs he is not a liability.
@Spud_E_Buddy
5 ай бұрын
@@kelahamutenya3217 “Narrative shifter”? 😂 Why, because my reasoning does match yours? You have your opinion, and I have mine. It’s okay to have different opinions my friend.
Shaq and Mike is crazy let’s start there. 🤩🤩🤩🔥🔥🔥 8 rings
@FearVampToons
5 ай бұрын
Shaq over whoopin
People act like George Gervin never existed…..
@jlui21
5 ай бұрын
-- Craziest shot? The Iceman's finger roll. Kareem has the most unstoppable hook shot. Best footwork? Hakeem. Curry? Has the range. MJ? The Goat. KD...he's talented and is a Top 20 player, but nah bruh. He's Charmin soft.
@jan279
5 ай бұрын
KD taller with better handles and better shooting than Gervin, stop it.
@TheRealMichaelP
5 ай бұрын
@@jan279 Gervin wasn’t allowed to carry the rock either
@jan279
5 ай бұрын
@@TheRealMichaelP Yeah, and he played against dudes who sniffed coke, drank beer, and smoked cigarettes before games that were tape delayed. Try again, oldhead.
Russell’s loyalty/respect over shadows KD’s goat
@ojoj5194
5 ай бұрын
AND how many playoffs series russ won when kd move n bro?
@hddh3221
5 ай бұрын
@@ojoj5194tell him again😭😭
@archieherrington9955
5 ай бұрын
How many did durant win withought being on a 73 win team exactly he has won jackshit withought the warriors so your argument is stupid especially considering he went to the team that beat him in the playoffs @ojoj5194
@ojoj5194
5 ай бұрын
@@archieherrington9955 the same 82-0 team that blow 3-1 haha keep goin. now my question how many curry won without klay rapstors and green cavs? make sure ur master make the play-in. buy the way no starting on ASG
@hooprealm
5 ай бұрын
Just saying shii atp… Russ isn’t even in the discussion
Shaq right on the money. If every superstar player join a team that just beat them in the playoffs, it would be the same thing KD did.
Met Bill a couple months ago at my work. Super cool dude and was exactly the way he is on camera, off camera. Salute to a cool dude!
Great convo fellas got my sub 💪🏾
Shaq is right, KD in a different category. Plus his achievements kinda diminished by the fact he had the 2 best shooters in history on his team
Shaq should the last one calling anyone sensitive....😂
@Carbinatedfartt
4 ай бұрын
Lmfaoo kd get off that burner man, it’s obvious.
They said if KD win next year it changes the convo? I don’t think so, he’s on another super team with the suns and Devin Booker is arguably the #1 shooting guard in the league. Beal is also top 5.
@gumption2967
5 ай бұрын
Stop moving the goal post yall said if curry had to win one more to get in that convo an he did he deserves it just admit it yall hate kd because he beat lebron twice in the finals and I hope he win one more so yall can hate even more
@Jp2timezz
5 ай бұрын
@@gumption2967 on god😂😂
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
@@gumption2967curry won as the main dude. And without KD. Multiple times 😂
@michaellewis9490
3 ай бұрын
@@colinnixon7739 i think Andrew Wiggins was the main dude that year they almost missed the layoffs without him 😂😂😂
He’s right; We’ve never seen a guy with his talent be up 3-1 to a team in the playoffs, lose and then go join them. FOH!!!! That killed ur ascent from jump. Talking about wrong time to go to GS like he got traded there or he wasn’t in control of the narrative.
imagine going to the best team and being the best. Wild to think that
No one could ever do it themselves, there was never a person to win a championship in a team sport by themselves
i agree with lou, it was the timing & my problem was you went to a team that beat you
@DANNYxBOY9089
5 ай бұрын
Timing aside he went to a team that broke the regular season win record. Not a GOAT move
Funny how they say he’s one of the most dominant prolific scorers but yet his career highs or scoring stretches don’t say the same. Kobe 6 straight 50 point games, 2 60 point games in a week, 81, averaged 45+ for a entire month. More 40, 50,60,70 point games than KD
@thegoatproduction6054
4 ай бұрын
As far as efficiency kd is one of the best, he barely misses.
@michaellewis9490
3 ай бұрын
Because he doesn’t need 35 shots to do so he gets 40 on 17-19 shots regularly 😭😭 like it’s actually common sense top 8 scoring all time not even top 25 missed field goals all time but you can guess where Kobe is on that all time missed shots list 😭😭 numero uno by faaaar
Shaq played for damn near half the teams in the NBA. What does he mean "if I knew I could jump around.."
@themoviereviewwarriors939
4 ай бұрын
He played for them once he was over the hill. He did not go any place in his prime. Also Shaq is not calling himself the goat.
Did anyone notice when asked about Payton and Malone Shaq said “Yea I did forget”😂 Shots fired!
@DontWannaBe
5 ай бұрын
Idk how that guy called it a superteam though... Malone was 40, Horace was 38, Payton was 35.... These guys were all way past their primes. And this is in an era where most guys were retired by that age.
@dimas.408
5 ай бұрын
@@DontWannaBejust because they were past their prime doesn’t mean they weren’t great, Karl Malone was averaging 20,7,4 before joining the lakers & Payton 19,3,7, that’s literally insane for old dudes at the time but they got injured which caused them a title
As a kd fan i feel like he has under achieve of what hes capable of doing, the man can drop 40pts every game, if he demands the ball or you trash talk him.
Imagine KD being ur goat 😂😂😂😂
@ojoj5194
5 ай бұрын
KD is the goat for his fans, stop the hate here my best players ever: 1Bobby sura, Mj, Kobe, Sprewell, shaq, AI, Hill, Penny,Mcdyes, Kemp, Bron, Kd, payton.
@2kgrindtime
5 ай бұрын
He's mine
@albertdaley9093
5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂facts lebron to imagine sayin lebron your goat 😂😂😂 him kd def not no goats
@LinkTheKink
5 ай бұрын
1 league mvp 2 rings 2 fmps because joined top 3 team all-time in 16 seasons lmfao kd is trash dude has played with ibaka,harden,westbrook,kyrie,steph,klay,dray,dbook and has that to show for it hes not even top 10 wtf there are like 5 players with 5 rings who are all ahead of him
@Untitledt
5 ай бұрын
If you appreciate basketball he is
i know i didnt just hear shaq call someone else sensitive
😂 these fools always downplay the cowardly move KD made
@lvpradagucci5539
5 ай бұрын
Is wasn't goofy he wanted to for golden state who cares get a life and stop hating its lame goofy
@realrocg2509
5 ай бұрын
So what was lebron move??? 😂
@taylor860gang
5 ай бұрын
@realrocg2509 I hate LeBron but did he join a championship team????
@Kev_-qm1je
5 ай бұрын
@@realrocg2509Bron has WON 🏆 every where he’s played… can’t say the same for KD
@davidrichards3255
5 ай бұрын
@realrocg2509 The heat were trash the year before bron went there. KD went to a dynasty.
The last point is 10000% correct "Everyone's too good now" its true, everybody is a beast now coming out, you need superteams to win (unless u 2016 caliviers)
@penkima4923
5 ай бұрын
The players are worse than ever today. A super-team hasn't won the championship in 5 seasons.
@lovetownsend
5 ай бұрын
legit don't have any idea what ur talking about@@penkima4923
@themoviereviewwarriors939
4 ай бұрын
Most of these guys are not half as good as we think. No one can lay a pinkie finger on them. Let them play in the 80s or 90s and it would be a different story.
@iank3924
4 ай бұрын
Cavs had Lebron, Kyrie, and Kevin Love. All 3 were top 10 players in the league at the same time. Are you high or a small child?
I didn't know Shaq and Bill Bellamy are cousins! 😂
1 or the greatest HELL YEAH ! Before the Warriors he was already 1st ballot Hall OF Fame.
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
HoF and goat are unrelated.
@jumpingonoffthejet9377
4 ай бұрын
@@colinnixon7739 Who cares he’s still one of the greatest to touch a basketball. Allen Iverson is considered one of the greatest and he had ZERO RINGS. I can go down the list. You’re a moron if you think other wise.
All of what he did in the way he did it eliminated his goat convo. He was in the thunders and had a 3-1 lead over the GSW in the playoffs. They came back and won, and the very next year, he went to their team.
If bron didn’t get disqualified for joining Miami then playing with kyrie and k love , then kd isn’t disqualified from the convo. He’d just have to get more championships
@enochbeats5313
5 ай бұрын
KD joined a team that wit 73-9 and knocked him out of the playoffs, Lebron joined a Miami and a Cleveland team that was garbage the year before he went there, no comparison lol
@LouiHimDuncan
5 ай бұрын
@@enochbeats5313 exactly niggas always want to bring Bron up lmao 😂. People don’t even realize by time Bron joined Miami wade was already on a downward turn due to injuries. Bron & Bosh kept wade in the league a couple more years imo 🤷🏽
@livefromthemotherland
5 ай бұрын
@@enochbeats5313 that straw man argument y’all use doesn’t work anymore. Fact is he stacked the deck. And the heat won a championship. Wade got injured so they were below 500 and he came back and they were a playoff team. Enough of the narrative that bron dragged trash to the finals. He builds a all star squad wherever he goes and beats weaker competition
@Lildirt15
5 ай бұрын
@@livefromthemotherlandon top of that wasn’t kd and steph the new school to lebron and if he teamed up on both of them it makes sense for kd and steph to show lebron a lesson and team up on him what goes around comes around
@livefromthemotherland
5 ай бұрын
@@Lildirt15 facts. Kd was getting his get back for that thunder loss against the heat
Shaq in Chicago 😳😳😳 would’ve been crazy
I wonder if the Drexler's and Barkley's would've been in the GOAT conversation if they one a chip as the bus driver & another as the co-bus rider vs. Jordan's 6. Individual talent aside, winning chips in a team sport should mean something unless it's 1v1 goat. Part of being it is bringing the team there in a team sport.
@kelahamutenya3217
5 ай бұрын
Drexler and Barkley are the reason MJ was the GOAT in the 90's they were the easiest rivals any GOAT has ever had.
@penkima4923
5 ай бұрын
@@kelahamutenya3217 Drexler and Barkley were equally good with KD. MJ faced both once in the finals, so I wouldn't call them rivals.
@kelahamutenya3217
5 ай бұрын
@@penkima4923 what other players in his size were really his rivals ?
@penkima4923
5 ай бұрын
@@kelahamutenya3217 As a team, I'd say the Pistons was the biggest rival. It was in the late 80's and early 90's. Joe Dumars might've weighed almost the same, and was possibly as strong as MJ, but was shorter. Mark Aguirre and Adrian Dantley were MJ's height, but I think they were matched up with Pippen. Not sure if the Jazz was a rival team, but at least they faced the Bulls twice in the finals. Bryon Russell was the closest to MJ's size.
@kelahamutenya3217
5 ай бұрын
@@penkima4923 no dispute you are correct my brother. The point i was trying to make was the names you mentioned dont jump off the page, that is why I was of the opinion that MJ didnt have competition at his position for close to a decade,
I put kd in conversations with Bird, shaq, hakeem etc......not quite goat status.....but transcendent and better than everyone else
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
All their careers are done. If they not already your goat they can't be.
KD is both one of the most skilled and talented players we've ever seen, but also he's one of the luckiest. He goes from a team with MVP Westbrook and Harden to the arguably greatest team ever assembled to a team with Kyrie and Harden to a team with CP3 and Booker to a team with Booker and Brad Beal. It's so hard to say any player is the GOAT when they've consistently had one of basketball's best casts around them.
All KD needs is ONE where he's the bus driver and he's in that conversation??? We're really diluting our standards to have anyone in the GOAT conversation at this point.
Could you imagine Shaq and Mj!?
@K-xb2qz
5 ай бұрын
2 3 peats without Shaq so I'd say 6 in a row with Shaq. 😊
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
It wouldn't happen. Jordan contract was too big. They couldn't get both under one roof.
AI could’ve been in this conversation too if he joined the Bulls or Shaq 😂
@Marcus-xu7hn
5 ай бұрын
….you say that like he’s not AI lmao
@fashionlife5348
5 ай бұрын
Ai is top 15
@enochbeats5313
5 ай бұрын
@@fashionlife5348AI not top 15 lol
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
Unlikely. He joined melo in Denver (a team that was in the west finals) and AI was still averaging 30 the year he was trade there. Then 26 ppg two seasons soooo....
I know kd he was going to golden state even if okc won the chip because he said the goldenstate system was hes dream to play for steph klay just a all round team that passes the basketball thats unguardable
Lets just put it this way, there are a lot of players that don't have certain team achievements and that is supposed to keep them out of the conversation when there are a lot of players that are severely overrated simply because of the teams they were on or the time period they played in.
KD is some special but we had many of Him...bron, kobe Jordan is à different breed ...
@andrehoward558
5 ай бұрын
What😂😂😂😂
@Lildirt15
5 ай бұрын
@@andrehoward558many of Kd’s? Lol 😂
@andrehoward558
5 ай бұрын
@@Lildirt15 ppl just be saying any thing
@Sadsmileyfaceproduci
5 ай бұрын
We have not had many of KD at all, in fact no 7 footer player has had his level of abilities yet
Most ppl...esp BRONstanians (LeMedia included)..hate on KD bcuz he went to GS and helped beat the breaks off of Bron 2WICE. Slammin the door in his face w/them clutch daggers while doing it. It's that simple💯
@Roadrunner0077
5 ай бұрын
go look how bron use to do before the warriors and after
@mrandithankyou
5 ай бұрын
YEah steph had to go recruit KD to beat JUST lebron. Not the cavs...but Lebron lol. And Lebron was the better both loses. You are a casual lol
@KDogduval
5 ай бұрын
@@mrandithankyou Right on Q...u one one them whining azz Mfs I'm talm bout.🤣 "But...but..Steph had to recruit KD to beat Bron". Butcha azz ain't talm bout how Bron recruited KD to Clev too huh? FOH...idgaf bout dat shyt u talkin. All these years later and u STILL mad KD went to GS and went to work on Bron'nem. If he joined Bron instead ya azz woulda been clapping like a lil school girl.🤣🤣🤣
@kelahamutenya3217
5 ай бұрын
what you are basically saying is that LBJ would have had more chips if they didnt come together I think that is the highest compliment you can give to Bron. You are most likely an MJ psychophant so this was also good in stoping Bron from eclipsing 6 chips I see your reasoning well done.
@KDogduval
5 ай бұрын
@@kelahamutenya3217 Whatever helps u sleep at night hamute boy.🤣 ya man has had more help than any superstar in the history of NBA ball and is STILL "Chasing the Ghost that played in Chicago"..his own words. So continue to chase w/him.
KD is gonna forever be tarnished by the GS move. If he wins another chip or 2, it's not gonna diminish what he did before. The off the court internet stuff doesn't help either
Saying someone ain’t the goat ain’t disrespect. And we got to stop putting everyone on the goat debate Cuz everyone adding someone just cuz they do something different Goat debate MJ v.s JORDAN That’s it
The NBA players who say that KD ain’t this & that because he went to Golden State after they beat him. Like Rodman went to the Bulls after the Bulls took over the Pistons so that hoping teams been around💯
@jairwest5
5 ай бұрын
Not the same thing at all tf 😂
@mitchellleavell4263
5 ай бұрын
@@jairwest5 why not?
@taylor860gang
5 ай бұрын
@@mitchellleavell4263lmfao because Rodman was a rebounder and defensive player.
@lothianslegacy9409
5 ай бұрын
Let's try Chris Paul, he was up 3- 1 with the Clippers and the year after went to the Rockets.
@mitchellleavell4263
5 ай бұрын
@@lothianslegacy9409 that’s a good example too
How they give kd a hard time aboit goin to gs but nobody say shit about lebron goin to miami? Smh
@pernellgary2403
5 ай бұрын
😂 mind bad
@quartpurp9798
5 ай бұрын
Cause it ain’t the same doofus, nba fans are dum😂
@alexescutia4805
5 ай бұрын
Lebron was burned to the ground after that move until he started winning after Miami while kd aint been out the second round since golden state
KD is great. But, he doesn’t deserve to be in that convo. He took the term you can’t beat em join em to a new level.
Lou made a great point. Not the fact kd went to golden state. The timing of it.
If KD is in the convo than AI is too
@Jp2timezz
5 ай бұрын
Fuck no 😂😂
@rastanate6168
5 ай бұрын
@@Jp2timezz exactly. Fuck no
@Jp2timezz
5 ай бұрын
@@rastanate6168 ai not even in KD class bro be fr ai not even top 25 & im not hating that’s facts💯
@andrewhudsonthegreatest9923
4 ай бұрын
@@Jp2timezzwithout the warriors, KD’s resume is similar to AI’s….both only have 1 MVP and 4 scoring titles
Shoutout Lou will
KD gotta get two clean rings (the opposing team isn’t injured ) as the head guy to be in the Goat convo
@gumption2967
5 ай бұрын
Bullshit
In my humble opinion. But in DIRK's younger years. He was durant before durant. I know dirk doesn't have handles like KD. But if you saw dirk in the early 2000's. He had handles. Coast to coast. Pull up 3, pull up mid range. And back to the basket game. Can drive by pass defenders with ease And dirk was fast as hell back in the days. So no. Durant was not the first 7foot with 2 guard skills. Doc rivers said it himself. Dirk is a 2 guard playing as a PF.
Kd so talented that kobe had to figure out that he couldnt guard him , come on man the numbers he was putting up on that golden state team is ridiuclous i salute him a ribg is a ring
@JAYSPLASHMUSIC
5 ай бұрын
what does that have to do with KD being in Goat convo? Hes never lead a team to a championship...
@HARVEY_1988
5 ай бұрын
@@JAYSPLASHMUSICwarriors wasn’t beating Lebron again after 2016.. you forget Steph Clay Dray Steve Kerr and the GM flew to the Hamptons begging him to join their squad… They needed him
@JAYSPLASHMUSIC
5 ай бұрын
@@HARVEY_1988 again, what does that have to do with the goat debate? The Warriors took them to 7 and were up 3. Who knows what would happen next season w/o KD. Point is KD doesnt have enough post season success as the LEADER every team he LEADS he gets beat. Just facts hes a top 11-15 player alltime
@quartpurp9798
5 ай бұрын
A ring is a ring yet y’all discredit Lebron’s bubble ring lmao
@andrewhudsonthegreatest9923
4 ай бұрын
You’re proving nothing
idc. kd is the best offensive player in history. his career hasn’t lived up to the likes of lebron or mj, but 1on1 he beats anybody.
@jaobille79
5 ай бұрын
MJ beats him 1on1. Kawhi can too
@anirudhranjan2934
5 ай бұрын
Too bad, cuz Basketball is a team game. He can be the best Iso player but he can still lose. Cuz its a 5 man game.
@Enzo-tg8uo
4 ай бұрын
best offensive player in history ??? Lmao 🤣
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
Jordan and wilt are literally better scorers 😂
Him joining the warriors and joining back to back to back super teams to ring chase ruined his entire career. KD is someone you want to play like but you don’t want to follow his footsteps
Man even if he wins with his current situation it don’t count bro on a crazy team again
KD raised Steph higher on the GOAT list and bumped himself down. The GS state move was the worst possible decision at that time, if he would’ve went to another top team and won 2 rings he would be ranked higher than Steph.
@peezydabeatmonster8112
5 ай бұрын
steph raised himself on the goat list Steph got disrespected more with kd til he won again without him Steph raised kd higher in every conversation he dont belong in without Steph kd is in the ringless conversation
@Project_N89
5 ай бұрын
bro KD cannot win anything without being carried by the warriors and their amazing team. it is a fact unless proven otherwise!
@penkima4923
5 ай бұрын
KD and Steph played on the same team in their primes, and KD turned out to be the better player.
@Project_N89
5 ай бұрын
KD is only even in any nba convesation, forget about GOAT , because of steph and the warriors. He never was in the GOAT list. Only KD fanboys put him there. Also, KD cannot win without warriors. He still has not. People acting like he would have won anywhere else are delusional at best.
@peezydabeatmonster8112
5 ай бұрын
@@Project_N89 facts idiot's like to compare what KD look like on Gsw while needing Curry help but forget he choked 3-1 to curry when they had they own teams
Definitely, KD is the GOAT of the weakest mind in NBA History for going to the Warriors. Period!!!
@MuwopDuwop
5 ай бұрын
Nobody saying lebrons move to Miami don’t put him in the Goat debate so why isn’t KD talked about lmao
@michaeljamesflores1645
5 ай бұрын
@Muwopduwop cuz miami back then was not a 73 wins team and a team that came back from a 3-1 lead against KD a yr b4. Pay attention my man. So you won't sound so ignorant.
@MuwopDuwop
5 ай бұрын
@@michaeljamesflores1645 lebron did the same thing tho it don’t matter if he went to 73 win team or not and if LeBron don’t join Miami you would never see KD in a warriors jersey you can blame lebron for that nobody being ignorant it’s straight facts Lebron joined a team that was already a championship contender once he joined that put the icing on the cake they didn’t need lebron lebron needed them same thing with KD we could’ve still won ships without KD we would’ve still had the best bench for years to come but we got rid of the entire bench if anyone sound ignorant it ain’t me
@michaeljamesflores1645
5 ай бұрын
@MuwopDuwop 🤣🤣🤣 Not gonna waste my time on you man. 23 likes means 23 got it but you🤣🤣🤣. But I got you dude. Really... Another Lebron hater...tsk tsk have a nice life bro😉
@MuwopDuwop
5 ай бұрын
@@michaeljamesflores1645 they both did the same shit your just a miserable keyboard warrior bro 😂
Oh boy I haven’t clicked a vid so fast in a while
greatest of all time - like what charles said. there are tiers.
Kd should’ve never transferred himself to golden state. But Shaq is right that he’s the most prolific dominant scorer ever in the league.
@dougiet.2112
5 ай бұрын
Nope, Jordan is a better scorer
@hddh3221
5 ай бұрын
he never “transferred himself” mate, 6 grown men flew out to acquire they were giving him the best deal and stuff and his contract was expired stop making it seem like he begged to join the warriors and that he still had a contract wit okc
@Jp2timezz
5 ай бұрын
@@dougiet.2112 jordan couldn’t shoot 3s like Kd jordan never had a 50/40/90 season kd a better scorer jordan just took more shots & kd got better handles too Jordan just got more flashier dunks that’s it💯
@dougiet.2112
5 ай бұрын
@@Jp2timezz so, is steph your best scorer?
@Jp2timezz
5 ай бұрын
@@dougiet.2112 Steph never been a better scorer just a better 3pt shooter & kd shooting a better percentage from 3 then curry this year
KD is no where close
@user-ry4gp4ry6y
5 ай бұрын
Why cause you have feelings for lebron
@quartpurp9798
5 ай бұрын
@@user-ry4gp4ry6yget off brons jockstrap😂 dude joined a team he lost to, argument out the window
@4thqtrmarlomarlo831
5 ай бұрын
Kd played his self
@user-ry4gp4ry6y
4 ай бұрын
@@quartpurp9798 lesweep
@oliveranthis9069
4 ай бұрын
Shaq would he ahead of KD in this discussion.
Or the fact he chooses shooting over dominating the rim when he drove he seemed unstoppable But chose to pull up like bro drive get the fouls take the FT’s And dirk is better hands down cause dirk knew when to put it on the floor
Anyone saying Gary Payton and Karl Malone along with Shaq and Kobe where a Super team is beyond ridiculous Karl and Gary where not even all Stars at that stage of there careers they where beginning to ride of in the Sun set
Some Notabale Names from Shaqs 05-06 Miami Heat Championship Team: Stan Van Gundy, Pat Riley,Bob McAdoo, Erik Spoelstra, Jason Williams (White Chocolate), Antoine Walker, Derek Anderson, Gary Payton, James Posey, Udonis Haslem, Alonzo Mourning, Dwyane Wade and SHAQ 😅
Oh this is Lou Will, at first sight I thought it was Skilla Baby 🤣🤣
Everybody focus on his decision making . That has nothing to do with talent. He a goat . Because he would give your favorite player 50 .
@davidwilliams5854
5 ай бұрын
Not if your favorite player is Tatum I saw Tatum shut him down in the playoffs 😂😂😂
@sleyterdelacruz1965
5 ай бұрын
He only dropped 55 1 time lol
@BigDawgBoy
5 ай бұрын
@@sleyterdelacruz1965 drop 50 9 different times what are you saying?
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
So could AI. So could melo. So could wilt. So could tmac. Scoring is like the main thing most hof do 😂😂
@BigDawgBoy
4 ай бұрын
@@colinnixon7739 okay what’s your point? Because I’m taking KD over all of them you just name?
KD should be in this conversation
You don't have to do it alone, just don't fail to do it after being up 3-1 in the conference finals...don't expect credit for doing it when you join the team you blew the Conference Finals lead to...don't expect credit when you do it playing alongside the winningest regular season team ever + the first unanimous MVP in league history.
KD is def part of the GOAT convo. 2 back to back rings as the best player, on the best team 🤷♀️
@UchihaSenseii
5 ай бұрын
He joined a team that beat him bro
@gumballwaterson1957
5 ай бұрын
Every other top 10 player except for Duncan and Wilt can say the exact same thing and more. GOAT means greatest of all time. How tf KD got a case for best player in the NBA has ever seen when he hasn't accomplished more than at least 10 other players?
@justineebourgeois3420
5 ай бұрын
@@gumballwaterson1957 KD is much more skilled than Duncan, & Wilt faced farmers and plumbers 🤷♀️.
@justineebourgeois3420
5 ай бұрын
@@UchihaSenseii The Warriors needed KD to defeat LeBron 🤷♀️
@gumballwaterson1957
5 ай бұрын
@@justineebourgeois3420 The current NBA finals MVP brags about being a farmer. So a farmer is waxing the league right now. KD can't beat the big slow white farmer right now. At least Wilt beat the ones he played against since we trying to play that game.
To say KD is not one of the greatest is not hating. Plain and simple he doesn’t deserve goat status.
@lvpradagucci5539
5 ай бұрын
Then lebron doesn't either he lost to kd twice in the finals u sound stupid fool
2:10 shaq: I'm not in the goat convsrsnnn ...lol he was mumbling through that 😅
The diff with KD vs The Goats! They were leaders with great support/role players. KD isn't a leader (not in a negative way) he is a hooper. He wants to just hoop with other good hoopers and win games to a chip. He was very lucky and fortunate as a hooper to play with great basketball players in S.C, and K.T with great supporting role players. On paper, I honestly believe K.I, J.H and K.D had an opportunity to win a chip. But, those 3 guys are hoopers. If one of the three were basketball players with leadership type focus, they could've won a chip. I think ppl want K.D to be that MJ-like guy and he's not. He's a GOAT in his own realm as a best hooper the NBA has scene with his skills.
Dude Thanks for checking shaq . He played on superteams
@ownthelibs
4 ай бұрын
Not in his prime
"Ain't no one superstar winners no more" ... Giannis: "say what?!"
KD is fantastic, but he’s the 3rd most accomplished player of his own generation. Conversation is over right there…
outro is WAY too loud, pls fix, thx
Bill is on his "everybody gets a trophy" ish😂
Using Bill and Lou's definition, Wemby is already the GOAT
I like how outta nowwhere Lou Will is gone and they got Shaq’s cousin.
@colinnixon7739
4 ай бұрын
Just like the real nba
Before yall say shaq don’t like kd you wrong he don’t respect his decision as a dominant player
Yea sure this is the "me too" era, everyone gets a prize. Everyone is special even if they have no accolades
1st lemme ask if you got Timmy in the convo.
If KD is in the conversation, Shaq is in the conversation. And KD hasn’t surpassed Shaq yet. Shaq is underrated.
That’s why i love Lou will man yall can hate that man all yall want but he’s definitely one of the greatest of all time 🤷🏾♂️💯
The next question, when talking about the GOAT, is in what setting? Blacktop, where nothing matters but skills, or a League with accolades definds greatness?
the difference between KD and the greatest is that he doesn't give his all every night and it shows. He's a skilled scorer and one of the best at being an unguardable scorer but the GOAT hell no this is also what I hate. Lebron can switch teams when he's losing and get players traded that benefit him(which is why he has 4 rings) but people are mad at KD for going to GS It's like people care about rings until it doesn't fit a certain narrative.
Goat really he’s good but the world is getting soft ! Shaq you on a whole other level !