Shadow vs. Void (Crash) - Shadow Priest in The War Within

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  • @spideraxe9325
    @spideraxe932521 күн бұрын

    Could be the trauma from all my Shadow Crashes hitting a chain on the ceiling during a pull, but Void Crash is now my permanent choice

  • @kaaablamo4527

    @kaaablamo4527

    21 күн бұрын

    A couple of nights ago I was doing an AV...first pull, I wait for the tank to gather up all the Lashers and throw out my Shadow Crash. The Lashers had all started casting, so the healer used Ring of Peace EXACTLY where I had targeted my Shadow Crash and so I completely missed everything. Spamming Vampiric Touch on name plates hopping all over the place while lust is rolling feels so miserable, lol.

  • @Asag321

    @Asag321

    21 күн бұрын

    @@kaaablamo4527 I don't know what happening but sometimes when I use shadow crash dot's are not applied and I never know if I missed somehow or if I got blocked by something. So for me also perma choice.

  • @OrsoPolareYT

    @OrsoPolareYT

    3 күн бұрын

    reletable

  • @ztormur6504

    @ztormur6504

    Күн бұрын

    do relate. happens alot of Ring of peace too for me

  • @alansmith4395
    @alansmith439520 күн бұрын

    best part of this is seeing you and Emigosa in the same party. If that's who Im thinking about then the two of you produce my fav Shadow content

  • @NovembersDooom
    @NovembersDooom21 күн бұрын

    I hope you make some more content for how shadow priests are right now in the beta. Id really like to hear your thoughts about how they feel right now and your thoughts going into the new expac.

  • @SmugHomura
    @SmugHomura21 күн бұрын

    So glad we finally have an alternative to Shadow Crash. It's insane to me that Shadow Priests entire ability to do big AoE was completely dependant on a slow moving, missable skillshot. Like what the heck Blizzard. All these other classes have guaranteed, fast hitting abilities and Shadow Priest just has a slow ass missle that can also miss, which would require several GCD's of setup to replace.

  • @Zaughon

    @Zaughon

    20 күн бұрын

    Yeah, i was doing Algethar Academy yesterday. That big pull at the tree boss is just absolute shit for shadow priests. Mobs moving around as the tank pulls, so you need to sit and wait with Crash, and by the time everything is bundled together, all the small mobs are already half dead. Pulls like that would be SLIGHTLY better with Void because you just cast it on one of the big ones and it should hit whatever it can around it. It will still suck because you're capped at 8, but well..

  • @norwegiantacoeater9115

    @norwegiantacoeater9115

    20 күн бұрын

    @@Zaughon well, if u do low keys ure not gonna have fun as Shadow. In a 16 and up you got plenty of time to dot all the elites and crash the smallies. uncapped would be absolutely broken

  • @Zaughon

    @Zaughon

    20 күн бұрын

    ​@@norwegiantacoeater9115 Yeah, i'm not saying it should be uncapped. As you say, that would be severely broken :P But it would be a nice change if it just preferred higher health targets that will live longer though. Then you as shadow priest can mostly ignore the small fodder, and burst the bigger mobs.

  • @norwegiantacoeater9115

    @norwegiantacoeater9115

    19 күн бұрын

    @@Zaughon Yeah, some sort of «smart» application like that would be a huge QoL

  • @jangoehring2567

    @jangoehring2567

    8 күн бұрын

    It wouldn’t be broken, it would crash m+ and raid completely, ur class is the best st and aoe class atm imagine being uncapped or imagine fire mage would have his dmg back from s2 keys would be ez 22-23

  • @MoMoFoSh0
    @MoMoFoSh016 күн бұрын

    I'll be playing Spriest for the first time in TWW. Lookin' forward to the guide! :D Thanks for the video!

  • @goodthings7317
    @goodthings731721 күн бұрын

    Can we plz address the issue that it still won’t prio elites over minions? I hate throwing a crash to have it apply to minions that dies in .5secs then I have to manually dot, the trees in brackenhide are horrible at this.

  • @elcanaldelargan8575
    @elcanaldelargan857521 күн бұрын

    Good video as usual. I think this change is a big win for shadow, and this with the 2 hero talent trees make me think shadow might have a stable dev team for once, which is even better. Although I feel bad because idk if I will be able to play the next expansion at all (have a full time job for the first time in... feels like forever, and not time enough to play). I will keep coming here to know about how things are going anyway, in case I have the chance to play again, you are the best for shadow related stuff.

  • @Daddyfinger6
    @Daddyfinger621 күн бұрын

    Would be cool for the class feel, like something where you have some sort of corrupting sin. Spreads your dots to nearby enemies. So if there are more than 8 mobs you could spread the dots in a cool way. Also adds some forgiveness if the dots hit weaker minions as opposed to prio targets or some leap out… not as punishing having to spam tab to keep dotting.

  • @Zaughon
    @Zaughon20 күн бұрын

    One change i'd really like to see (and this is true for both Shadow and Void): Prefer dotting higher health targets/targets that will live longer. Pulls like the tree area in Algethar Academy comes to mind. I'd much rather throw it and have it prioritize dotting the big trees and the wasps, than 1 tree and 7 small flowers (which are already half health because we have to wait for everything to stop moving). Pulls like that just feel horrible as shadow priest atm. Speaking of Z-axis, no more accidentally placing Shadow Crash in the ceiling, or on random trees or flags if you pick Void Crash :P But yeah, if the target teleport out to slash a party member, (first boss in Brackenhide for instance), you might end up missing a lot of other targets. I think it's a great choice to have though. There will probably be packs/bosses where Void Crash is just easier and more consistent, so it's nice to be able to go back and forth a bit depending on the scenario.

  • @endofexistence2149
    @endofexistence214920 күн бұрын

    Im so used to shadowcrash already but for PVP I think void crash will be the go to for me, losing my mouse in combat or just flat out misjudging the distance when I'm juggling multiple situations does make shadowcrash a little harder when doing RBGs.

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    20 күн бұрын

    Good point!

  • @PKNWP
    @PKNWP21 күн бұрын

    You keep me playing wow

  • @UnskilledGoomba
    @UnskilledGoomba21 күн бұрын

    Personally I like that there is a different Option but I think I´m gonna stay shadow crash aswell, even if a moving tank will be "easier" with voidcrash you just have to fail and use it on the range mob and the tank pulling the pack is gonna denie you again. Something that would be really great to garantie you to hit those, would be if they add something like a "stack" that if you just hit 3 target with it they have the remaining stacks on them and if they will be pulled close to another target those remaining stacks could hop over to the new target (I don´t care if its only the remaining time of the Dot since adding new freshly new dot would be OP in chainpulls). Something like that would be pretty awesome and take alot of stress and hate out of the slow flying ball and the unfortunate feeling you have after missing it. Buff on the Range of Shadowcrash sounds also really good, but only a small increase so that you can´t add by accident any new packs to it (10-12yards sounded good). For the Limit of the targets dotted I always dreamed of getting uncapped dots out of it but that would probally be waaaay to overtuned even tho it would be reeeeally fun :D

  • @Phylo45
    @Phylo4521 күн бұрын

    how does it function on targets with Large hitboxes. Some raid bosses are huge and adds may not be in their direct center

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    21 күн бұрын

    It functions just as if you cast normal shadow crash right under the mob. Which is why it could really bait certain players on those encounters with the current implementation

  • @aidanmalone7944
    @aidanmalone79448 күн бұрын

    do you have your shadowed unit frames profile linked anywhere?

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    8 күн бұрын

    This is my most recent one: wago.io/uZhyFRASY but currently not using it on Beta

  • @damiangonzalez4898
    @damiangonzalez489820 күн бұрын

    Hi bro. Void rift is while or after void torent???? TY

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    20 күн бұрын

    Good question. So the rift spawns at the start of void torrent cast and is refreshed when the void torrent channel ends only to the max. So you don’t ever want to cancel void torrent

  • @damiangonzalez4898

    @damiangonzalez4898

    20 күн бұрын

    @@Publikwow TY so much. Im new in Dragonflight, and i love shadow priest and your videos are great.

  • @Bman24641
    @Bman2464117 күн бұрын

    Not me desperately searching the video for him to open his talent tree just once...

  • @joshuasandmair919
    @joshuasandmair91912 күн бұрын

    What I would like to see, is a kind of charged spell (like evokers have) to apply the dots. Like, the longer you charge, the more insanity it costs, but the more targets it hits. Would really add a dynamic to the spec.

  • @robertgowdey
    @robertgowdey8 күн бұрын

    Holy shit you're playing with Chrissy!

  • @mellowsunset7730
    @mellowsunset773020 күн бұрын

    Glad they included the option, I like this kind of choice. On a related note, it's deeply sad to see that dark ascension will likely be the play over void eruption for voidweaver for the foreseeable future - ignoring numbers tuning, a flat 25% dmg buff with no impact on gameplay is so flavorless compared to the new spell/enhanced gameplay you get with void eruption. I hope DA is reworked or removed before release.

  • @shayrodYT
    @shayrodYT3 күн бұрын

    That what I like about void crash

  • @nicolaevvadim
    @nicolaevvadim21 күн бұрын

    Increasing the radius would be a great improvement for sure. Hope they implement that.

  • @ekkieck

    @ekkieck

    15 күн бұрын

    or increase travel speed, makes no sense to make a new skill

  • @peterschruff3055
    @peterschruff305521 күн бұрын

    I will miss the basement view.

  • @ged1473
    @ged147317 күн бұрын

    I'm still leveling my first shadow priest, curreently lvl43, and I've never played a worse class for aoe. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I had no aoe for maybe 40 levels, then I got shadow crash and now I can aoe but only every 20 seconds and the size of the effect feels way too small. I've missed a few when mobs agro me as the slowwww shadow crash bolt is flying through the air and they all ran to me, it took too long to dot them all 1 by 1 so the pack killed me, so I'd be happy for void crash for that.

  • @dennisforbes2532
    @dennisforbes253221 күн бұрын

    I see every few pro's for Shadow. I will be using void.

  • @Ezera6
    @Ezera621 күн бұрын

    Does anyone remember "dark void" spell? I really liked that. Void Crash is an answer to prayers!!!

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    20 күн бұрын

    Yeah that style applied to Shadow Crash would be good, although that exact spell wouldnt be very useful right now!

  • @LMorningsta
    @LMorningsta20 күн бұрын

    Why not make it so you can target friendly units with it too, like the old mind sear. You could pre-cast it on the tank or position yourself where the sarkareth adds spawn

  • @bradm268
    @bradm26821 күн бұрын

    shadow crash just needs a bigger radius and not limit the dot count in PvE, and if they're not willing to increase the radius then it needs charges. Crash is just way too unforgiving to be our primary dot spreader and in keys, it always ends up being 'if only i could dot them all', and this season it's basically, crash, tab dot, void eruption to extend and if you prefer DA you're SOL. If you could extend dots on Mind flay insanity to a group that could also be a compromise. Void crash seems to just make it not possible to miss a target, but could be the wrong choice given the use case.

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    21 күн бұрын

    Uncapping the DoT application can cause knock-on effects that make it hard to balance. If they did that they would need to adjust the scaling on our DoTs at certain target thresholds.

  • @HESOMADBRO
    @HESOMADBRO12 күн бұрын

    Not sure if you still read comments on "old" videos Publik, but do you feel like Dark Ascension will remain the go-to for TWW? I love SP, but avoid playing it if Void Eruption performs far better (hate that spell). If it helps anyone, I can heavily recommend the Addon "Grounded" for "cast on button release" macros (unlike "cast at cursor" macros it allows for more controlled aim). Tbh I don't feel like Void Crash is going to be a viable alternative for me in 99% of cases, but I'm very glad that Blizzard is listening and making the attempt at fixing the spell. Unfortunately they kind of missed the mark on fixing relevant issues with the current iteration of Void Crash IMO. None of the things that bothered me about it - such as a) misaligning with your DoT uptimes, b) hard capped in combination with prioritizing random mobs OR c) slow moving projectile given the small radius - were really addressed here. That said, seeing how most people react to Void Crash makes me realize that I probably did not even remotely have as much of a problem with Shadow Crash to begin with and I'm happy if that's what they wanted. P.S.: I raided with Viklund a while ago and he told me my "SP blasts hard" :D still giggling over that and you're the main reason to thank for this, much love

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    8 күн бұрын

    Hey there! Currently looks like DA will be the play for Voidweaver at least. But still tweaking. Lots to test and hopefully we see more changes.

  • @TheSomeRocks
    @TheSomeRocks20 күн бұрын

    now i dont have to accidentally cast Shadow Crash on the roof.... or a tree.....

  • @1011kuma
    @1011kuma21 күн бұрын

    biggest con of void crash was that if the target dies before the void crash lands, it does not work at all and no targets are dotted

  • @josephrankin6055

    @josephrankin6055

    20 күн бұрын

    That's just blizzard being lazy with game design. There is no reason it can't hit the corpse and still apply dots to the mobs around it.

  • @YorgiGolfs
    @YorgiGolfs21 күн бұрын

    Keeping shadow crash so i can accidentally hit the ceiling with it and then have something to blame i'm doing no damage.

  • @JDTalo
    @JDTalo21 күн бұрын

    Why not just combine the two? If its not targeted it crash into the ground, if it is targeted it follows. I mean....

  • @brianshrimp5824
    @brianshrimp582420 күн бұрын

    Blizz needs to reduce the CD of shadowcrash to 10 secs, 20 is too long and sometimes have to pick do i crash again for the lower health or wait let the other dps kill so i can dot next pack.

  • @1hej0k3r

    @1hej0k3r

    15 күн бұрын

    A second charge would be good. It would help with bigger groups, in some bossfights with adds spawning in at a faster pace and most of all give you a chance to do damage when the f*ing thing randomly landed in some tree again or whatever.....

  • @brianshrimp5824

    @brianshrimp5824

    15 күн бұрын

    @@1hej0k3r Truueeee a 2nd charge would help.

  • @Fristaylo
    @Fristaylo20 күн бұрын

    shadow crash should deal 0 dmg but have no cd. Change my mind. If u are playing with random tank and does not know what's going on inside his head, u either loss dps because of waiting or lose dps because of extra pulling. I hate being punished, for not knowing what the fuck is gonna happen in next 20 seconds.

  • @napfnase11
    @napfnase1121 күн бұрын

    Void Crash seems buggy. If 3 mops run close to each other, only the one in the target will be hit, even though the other two are close enough to that mop. I had it a few times

  • @IIxVENDETTAx

    @IIxVENDETTAx

    12 күн бұрын

    Garbage spell been dogshit since they released it hardly ever applies to all 8 targets it’s so bad, I love doing a nokhud when the enemies on those little hills throw a shadow crash up there and it hits no one :)

  • @muddabish
    @muddabish21 күн бұрын

    They should remove shadow crash's cap.

  • @TheChrillexx
    @TheChrillexx19 күн бұрын

    Just remove shadowcrash and let my Halo apply Dots. At least in the Halo Spec. Shadow crash feels so bad to use. It travels super slow, You will not use it on pull in a large pack, because it makes it harde to dot the missing targets... It just feels bad. I think the devs are so lost when it comes to shadow. Maining Shadow since tbc and I feel like they never recovered from moving into the void form playstyle. Shadow is always so hard to balance because it just scales too hard. But man do I miss first patch Legion shadow...

  • @Ltnuggetv3
    @Ltnuggetv316 күн бұрын

    if u have a tank that doesnt know what theyre doing shadow crash is quite literally the worst ability in the game. and not landing ur crash fries ur dmg. im picking the other option 100% of the time idc lol

  • @Josh-wk2ji
    @Josh-wk2ji21 күн бұрын

    Honestly it's not the ability itself that makes me mad. sure I've tossed it in the wrong spot or hit a stalactites one time or two. it's really the cd on it. it feels so bad when you don't have it for a big aoe pull which is every pull. 20 secs is too long. I think 10 would be more appropriate. alt tabbing to dot every mob is too annoying I'll just wait till it is back up. lol

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    21 күн бұрын

    I've been a big fan of just giving it 2 charges, totally agree the cooldown can be punishing, especially at lower key levels.

  • @Josh-wk2ji

    @Josh-wk2ji

    21 күн бұрын

    @Publikwow oh yeah 2 charges would be amazing specially for those pulls were you think the tank is done and decides he wants more.

  • @lennardregal4863
    @lennardregal486321 күн бұрын

    yay first

  • @SonOfTheImam
    @SonOfTheImam21 күн бұрын

    Another pro is that it gives insanity. So you can cast SC on the floor before the dungeon starts and get 6 extra insanity. With VC you cannot, because you need a target sadge🥲

  • @Publikwow

    @Publikwow

    21 күн бұрын

    Would really like a talent that regens insanity out of combat tbh

  • @SonOfTheImam

    @SonOfTheImam

    20 күн бұрын

    @@Publikwow 💯

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