This is awesome seeing you & Matt, looking forward to seeing you both on all videos! Love it!

Hey Gene, don't lose Matt. Love these discussions!

Okay, I love that you guys are putting great info out there for the more advanced audio video enthusiasts out there. I hope to be able to understand you in three or five years. In the meantime, as a favor to those of us who are still crawling up from the Quadrophonic days, to basic 5.1 with a mix of cheap new, and mix matched old stuff, such as my Sony DH790 I got at BB, because it was so cheap my wife let me buy it, hooked up with leftover Pioneer HTIAB, front, center, and rears, running as center, rears, side and the mains are some big RCA ported three ways with 12" woofers, 4" mids, and some kinda tweeters. The sub is a Pioneer 8" passive sub that is wired up to pass through the output from the Receiver through the sub, and then to the speakers. I'm sure you would have bad dreams from looking at it, and the room it's in is about as bad as it gets. But hey, it's pretty far down the budget priority, like last on the list, but I am trying to improve it. I have experimented with tilting my spare set of surrounds up as Atmos bouncies and set up as Atmos speakers with mixed results. So, I guess what I'm saying is, could you please do one of these for the largest group of people who are trying to kludge together an AV system with basic stuff mixed with older stuff. So, the main thing I got from this is if you want Atmos speakers, then knock holes in the ceiling, and if you aren't willing to do that, then, you are better off with an extra pair of surrounds, than fake Atmos. 😔, I knew it, I shoulda been born rich instead of good looking. Better luck next time.

@AxnJaxn

3 жыл бұрын

Hey bud, I'm kind of where you are in terms of a budget system being a necessity. I just can't justify spending $1000's on brand new state of the art speakers. But I'll give ya 2 pieces of advice that might be particularly helpful for ya. 1st off, a good receiver can help out mediocre speakers tremendously. 2nd, don't worry about the atmos setup. You can get a decent/newer receiver and run a 7.1 or 7.2 setup (using rears) that will blow your mind and you really don't have to spend much to do it. Lastly, check pawn shops for incredible deals on used speakers! As long as you can verify the drivers are good before you buy, you can get absolutely unbelievable prices on good gear because pawn shops get inundated with excessive used speaker inventory. No joke, I've looked up the msrp on my speaker setup and it's well over $6500+ and I've probably paid no more than $600 bucks just upgrading here and there over the years. It's not nearly as important as you might think to have matching brands or specs. It might not be ideal aesthetically, but placement and a good receiver with room eq can make budget speakers sound incredible these days.

@robinround7314

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! 👍

As I upgrade my sound system, I want to upgrade my knowledge. As I upgrade my knowledge, I come to this channel. Thank you!

Always nice to watch your very helpful videos here, Adam. Hope you’re feeling well.

How could I have missed this episode! It's pure gold for me, as I've been toying with setting up a 7.1 of "35hz" towers. I think I was moving that week, and sadly the towers are still in storage, but my knowledge grows greater everyday! Thanks to you et al.

@yogabyaakaash

Жыл бұрын

everyone recommends bass management and crossovers and setting speakers to SMALL. REL who has been in the subwoofer business for a long time or perhaps could be called the leaders, beg to differ. They always want all speakers set to LARGE while extending every channel with a separate subwoofer. How would you look at that?

@SwirlingDragonMist

Жыл бұрын

@@yogabyaakaash I think it comes down to positioning in the acoustic environment, bass is just better produced in some locations. If the amplifier can feed multiple speakers full range, it doesn’t hurt to play around and experiment. But remember a crossover isn’t a dead stop, it’s a roll off, so even with them bass managed they’re still producing bass, and by producing less they gain fidelity in their active region. And you wouldn’t want to stress a speaker by having it reproduce signals outside it’s frequency response. That’s a good way to destroy a speaker. An octave above the frequency response is a good safe zone for a custom crossover. But 80hz has a bunch of advantages too, to many to get into, but mostly sound engineers mix for it so that’s fairly significant.

I just added my 2nd Subwoofer, I have followed your recommendation of setting my speakers to SMALL then dialing the crossover on the Subs and the receiver.. WOW! Great Sound! Music and Movies sound amazing! Thank you Audioholics!

@DEEJAYKLONE

4 жыл бұрын

Franken Studio what settings are they?

@frankenstudio22

4 жыл бұрын

@@DEEJAYKLONE - In my Yamaha configuration screen (I believe many receivers have an option like this) I can select Speakers and set them to large or small. If I set them to large... then the receiver/amp sends the full freq range to any speakers set to large. (Which of course is probably to much low end for speakers that are not subwoofers.) When I set them to small... I also have the option to set the CutOff/crossover freq on my receiver/amp... which is basically allowing my receiver/amp to send that selected frequency to the subwoofers and only frequencies above the selected freq to speakers that I have set to small.

@frankenstudio22

4 жыл бұрын

I set my crossover freq to 100hz (I think the default for most people is 80hz) I feel my system sounds best at 100hz - This way there is much less "strain" on my amp and my amp only needs to send 100hz and below to my subs and it frees up my remaining speakers (7.1.2 configuration) to play only freqs above 100hz. you will be surprised on how much better your system will sound when you are not pumping low freqs through speakers that just are not meant to take it. (even if the manufacturers specs say it can go that low.) ~ Best of luck

@coyote5.02

4 жыл бұрын

Franken Studio so you leave all your speaker setting set to small or do you set them to small then set your subwoofer settings then set your large speakers back to large and leave your satalite speakers set to small.

@coyote5.02

4 жыл бұрын

Pho Tato thank you

Thanks Gene, absolutely awesome info..and eye opening as well...

Hi you two. Thank you for the indepth discussion of crossover for high quality HI-Fi AVR & speaker systems. But, I'm just a elderly guy who has a passion for HI-FI Stereo & 5.1 surround for Blu-ray DVD Collection. My speakers are book shelf size SONY 6ohms for left & right channel, a SONY Centre speaker, 8ohms & SONY rear speakers 4ohms, playing through a Pioneer AV RECEIVER. I have set the crossover for 80herts as you suggested, using the wee microphone to set the parameters for my listening room. The microphone set the crossover at 120herts, but, I manually changed it to 80herts at your suggestion. Can I say wow, what a difference the sound stage is expansive & clear. You can pinpoint the instruments in the orchestra or band. The vocals of the singers clear & crisp. Thank you for the help your channel provides for old timers as such as myself to enjoy

Outstanding! I just re-tweeked my system, and it does sound even better! Thank you!

I run stacked Paradigm studio 40’s as my mains, each getting about 200 watts because I subscribe to Genes view on a strong midrange and double tweeters. I add 2 300 watt 8” Paradigm sealed subs for music. I add another larger ported Paradigm sub for movies and loving it. Got my eye on Aura 3D and think the more speakers the better as long as they are all the same line.

My finding as one reason for using a sub up to 80-100hz range is it improves midrange control/purity, since the smaller drivers are no longer being asked to play to their design limits. Less xmax = quicker start/stop capability of the midrange driver and more detail in the midrange. I’ve also found that I prefer the sound of a sealed enclosure for tighter, faster, better defined mid-bass. Anytime I’m using a ported speaker engineered to allow the ports plugged with a foam port bung, I do it without hesitation, the bass roll-off starts at a higher frequency, yet extends deeper than the ported design.

Awesome stuff Gene. I love the new direction you're taking now. Not only is this a good refresher course but you are updating information based on what you're seeing on the internet and keeping us informed as the technology advances and changes. I see so much misinformation on just about all of the forums. Its kind of sad. Allot of know it alls getting it all wrong. Look forward to the next video...

@Audioholics

5 жыл бұрын

Thx I like to keep a pulse on what is happening in the industry. There are a lot of sources now for home theater info but it's hard to know what's good or not sometimes. Hopefully we get it right most of the time. We try.

@kirkcunningham6146

5 жыл бұрын

@@Audioholics absolutely!

Matt Poes! A tremendously HUGE help / resource wrt diaing/ REW-ing my THTLP subs in about 100 ft^2. looking forward to see more . . and TY, again

Great discussion. So much knowledge here!!! Learned so much here.

Gene, Thanks a mill for this discussion, MY FRIEND!

I went to see End Games at the Marcus SuperScreenDLX this week and by force of habit I found myself reaching for the remote for the AVR to adjust the settings LoL.. the ground shaking LFE and end credits music sounded great but they didnt seem to take full advantage of the Atmos,, and the vocals sounded like they were coming from a giant old TV speaker.. In all it didnt quite impress me. Goes to show you all systems even in a commercial theater things always need tweaking depending on the source content and the mix intended for the final production by the audio engineers. Its a never ending process. At home I always go to a dynamic part of a movie where theres alot of vocal action, music and boom going on and make my sound level adjustments and then go back to start the movie, drives the wife nuts ..she is like what are you doing.?. I say something didnt sound right hehe ..each movie has its strong and weak points its not a set it and forget it one size fits all type of deal. But the basic overall settings as discussed in this video are the main rule of thumb platform to build on.. :)

Liked and subscribed in the first minute :) This is better than school :)

I set my crossovers to the satalights of 100hz. My fronts and sides are different. They are lower . I disabled crossover of sub. Covers all the base on all my speakers. Also takes pressure of the amp allow my 15inch sub to take the lows providing clean mids and treble to all speakers. Rule of thumb is set all speakers to small. Crossover on receiver to the highest speaker crossover in your speakers( look at specs on all your speakers crossover data. Use the highest stat even though your fronts go lower. Reason is you sub will draw the low out off all speakers. You now have 500w sub amp to provide current andto drive base and take huge load off amp. )dial on your sub crossover to highest setting to disable sub crossover if wired lfe. Done. I used sound meter to match levels with 7.1 white noise test tones at 70db on meter and measured with tape measure to listening position.

Very enlightening info here... congrats!

I have a 2.0 system with amp & preamp but also a powered sub, so I use line-level splitters with in-line 100hz high pass filters running into my stereo amp, and set the sub's variable low pass at 100hz. Harrison Labs makes the in line filters.

Superb video thanks guys Helped me a lot

So to summarise: You should set the x-over where the transition between mains/sub is the smoothest (as measured by REW, assuming sub phase/distance with is correct), and not rely on the -3dB point as a "rule of thumb"? Sometimes speakers with an F3 of 50Hz transition to the sub smoother if crossed at 90-100Hz, than at F3+10Hz.

Great video!! I have a couple of questions. Here is my setup: Denon 4700 Klipsch R-625FA Dolby Atmos Floor stand speakers Klipsch RP- 504C II center channel Klipsch R-41M Bookshelf speakers Klipsch R-12SW subwoofer 1-What are your suggestions for the crossover settings? 2- What are your suggestions for the db level for all the speakers? This is where I am confused.

Sealed speakers for me! My JBL. speakers set sounds awesome! Currently at 7.1 Thanks

After watching a couple of your videos and, a couple others, I went a bit deeper into my Rotel RSX1056 setup menu and found the advanced setup, where I could adjust each speaker (lr Epos M12i, c Epos M8) and sub's (PSB Subsonic One) crossover. I didn't realize that even though I had the speakers set to small and crossover at 80hz, my lrc speakers were still at 40hz by default. Playing with the settings and using your overlap of 20hz, I settled on 60hz for the lcr and 80hz for my sub (80/100 seemed a bit muddy). Gone is the boom that was driving me nuts. Now it just sounds like my speakers are larger with good solid bass.

@TysonHook-22-

4 жыл бұрын

I beleive your misunderstood things slightly. your bass LFE (Low Frequency Effects) should always be 120hz (full signal) setting it to anything less and your losing some of the tracks low end detail/content. set it to 120 and forget it. The LFE is seperate and completely independent from your speaker to sub crossover settting... The LFE is how much of the source materials signal will be sent to your sub... which you want all that info to be sent. again set it to 120hz and forget about it. Now your speakers cross-over on the other hand is where you experiment with blending your speakers and sub together. This is done by setting the speakers crossovers (which again is independent of the LFE setting) Your speaker crossover setting should be 80Hz-120Hz.. regardless if the speaker manufacture or AVR room correction software states that the speakers go down to 60hz or even 40hz... in 98% of case's our speakers just ain't ever going to produce low end frequencies anywhere near as good as a dedicated sub, so why make them even attempt too if you've got a nice sub. Generally your settings should be as follows... bass "crossover" LFE at 120Hz and your speakers crossover at 80-120hz... from my understanding you have your system set up with a bass LFE of 80hz and your speakers (L-C-R) crossover at 60hz... which means your not getting the full bass source signal sent from your AVR to your sub and your attemping to make your speakers play as low as 60hz even though your sub can reproduce those 60hz frequencies much muchh better. Again set the LFE to 120hz regardless of everything else. and try your speakers set to crossover at 80hz or 100hz (120hz begins to become localized).... this should make your main speakers cleaner and crisper sounding as your no longer forcing them to produce low end frequencies that they just can't cleanly reproduce. with a higher crossover setting your speakers should be less muddy sounding and your AVR will have less heavy load put on its amps aka your AVR will perform better as well! If your bass is too overpowering and muddy sounding with your speakers crossover at 80--100hz then your sub likely is setup improperly and you likely have it running hot which means you need to turn the subs volume knob down to better blend the subs output levels with the speakers output levels aka SPL and depending on your AVRs room correction software level this may or may not mean buying yourself a dedicated SPL meter.

I watch your videos as much as I can and enjoy them intensely. Unfortunately, I can not categorize myself as an audiophile due to my limited hearing. Years of industrial environment has played its toll on me. I listen to your wisdom in these matters and where I can, I apply your suggestions and even I can notice some improvements. Thanks again and I hope you feel better from your bout with covid19.

I think it’s still great that the Denon I use has separate settings for 2ch music listening vs movie listening, not that my main speakers are really musical, they are great for home theatre, but I can set different distances, levels and crossovers for 2ch, I think I can even set a specific pair of speakers in my room to play the 2ch audio...and it doesn’t effect the audyssey multi channel calibration. 👍🏻👍🏻

@Audioholics

5 жыл бұрын

Yep Denon does some of the best bass management in AVR's out there. It's always been this way with them.

Thanks Gene for this discussion. I have been trying for the longest time to get a handle on the bass in my small room. I would love to see more in depth tutorials on REW, it is such a powerful tool and I have yet to see anyone but Audioholics do a detailed video that is understandable enough that even a nubbie like me could understand.

@PoesAcoustics

5 жыл бұрын

Big Pappi93 I’ve done a few for a variety of sites. You should see plenty more in the future. Bass integration is a topic I’m passionate about and it’s one that most folks really don’t understand that well. A lot of tutorials are either wrong, based on faulty rules of thumb, or incomplete. Gene has done a great job with his tutorials in the past and I hope to add to that going forward. I gave a talk at AXPONA on how to use REW wavelets to properly integrate the bass. It’s a visual approach that makes the process easier. Todd Welti has a look at my ideas before the talk and seemed to walk away intrigued without disputing any of my core points. After the talk a number of professionals, experts, and experienced forum folks emailed me to mention how impressed they were with this trick.

Spock is always watching and listening.

Due to room constraints I run my dual SVS 16's 1/3 along the wall on top of bass cubes about 20inch tall one 24inch tall. Any special tips for doing it this way. Have phase around 90 on each.

Gene et al: if you’re still reading/answering questions... this for a 5.X* system; corner** channels set to Large, each** has its own dedicated sub. .1 channel handles the CC bass and of course the LFE *5 subs 1. Which channels output the lowest frequencies - LR or LFE? I recall one of you saying the LFE specific sound LPd @ 120hz(?) 2. I’ve studied the THX specs for Home Theatre. I understand all 5 channels are supposed to be full range my reason for 5 subs. That said, after I expand to 7.X, I plan to upgrade my LR & LFE. My question relates to #1: should the LFE or the LR be the “super” sub(s)? Thanks for all you do for us

Always something to learn from you guys

For me when you are talking about consistency among different source materials it seems to be most of the time. With music sometimes I'll drop my fronts to 60.

My Onkyo 5.1 speaker line up is set on 100 Hz Crossover. I can't set each speaker seperately on a Crossover level, so what would be your advice? Select 80 Hz, let it stay on 100 Hz or 120 Hz? My speakers are: 2 Monitor Audio floorstanding speakers (Front), 2 (small) surr speakers, a small center and (large) subwoofer speaker. Thanks so much in advance.

Great video guys! Some very helpful in depth stuff there for a newer guy like myself!

@lawrence09151 sorry I missed your superchat. You can run a Ysplitter to connect 2 subs to each of the 2 sub outs of your receiver. I don't recall if your receiver has parallel outputs or independent. Follow our sub placement guidelines. Time align them in groups if your receiver has independent outputs. Use REW to make some measurements to make sure they are all playing in phase. After it's all setup reasonably well, then run Audyssey and compare on/off. Audyssey tends to set bass levels a few dB low so you may have to adjust. Good luck.

Question - I have Klipsch In wall side surround R3650 - Freq response from 60hz -20KHS. What does it mean when I set that crossover at 80 vs 100 vs 120hz? Does setting at 100hz mean that it will roll off for anything below 100HZ? What is best setting for this speaker - would you say set it at 90hz which is 10 above recommended? It seems like I get more surround sound playing through them set at 120hz vs 100 hz.

If the subwoofer mode was set to LFE as screenshot showed, doesn't that miss putting bass from small mode channels into sub?

Regarding the comment you made about why you don't do hard recommendations of products being because you measure and want to make sure they sound good, frankly, that is the VERY reason why we come to you for your recommendations, is be because we know and trust that you measured the product. The people trust Audioholics evaluations which is why your opinions matter so much to viewers and readers like myself. The affiliate store is a great idea, but please don't just limit it to products sold on Amazon. I'm willing to go consumer direct if Amazon doesn't carry said products, so please provide links to those as well. Thanks again for all the great information. Also, I'm still waiting for the Goldenear Triton Reference, Klipsch RF7III's; and Tekton Double Impact review/head to head to head. Thanks!!!

I have a question, on my 5.1 AV receiver I set front, center and surround to small, front crossover set on 80 Hz and center and surround set on 120 Hz (here I am not sure if I made the right choice). How to set my surround and center speaker crossover if in speaker specification say that: center and surround frequency range 150 Hz-20.000 Hz? 80 - 120 Hz isn't too low if the frequency range of the speakers is between 150-20,000 Hz?

Fantastic effort Gents - The Golden Trapagon is that a legitimate principle - can the two of you do a live session about perfect room shape? I‘ll be building a home cinema room, you spoke about the importance of an acoustically balanced room, your thoughts on The Golden Trapagon with rounded / crowned internal corners to limited the meeting and interference of sound waves due to 90 degree room corners?

Folks... I have a Yamaha cx5200, klipsch 7.2.4, EMOTIVA x 2 and Panasonic UB82... I have been struggling for weeks... just simply changed everything to 80hz small... my SPL150 Klipsch subs to 120 hz and 1/o’clock gain and let me say... my jaw hit the ground... WOW... thank you...

Very useful video. Thank you!

This video blew my mind but makes so much sense.

I took the advice to set cross over alto my mains at 80hrtz and my receiver at 8 ohms. 👌👍

I’ve been into home sound systems since the very beginning when only Dolby Pro Logic processing was available.Many years before this I used high quality stereo amps with quality speakers.I am a musician have a reasonable ear have had a recording studio in my home and have done some editing.Without exception most of my friends that have home cinema rooms in their homes pay way over the odds for their equipment and installation and most do not understand anything about how to get the best out of any of their equipment, it’s just bragging rights for them well that’s fine.The other side of the coin is that you can drive yourself mad with these few settings such as channel levels individual, crossover settings,distance,EQ,Speaker size,And in the end you are not watching a movie you are listening to you sound setup and your picture settings and probably find it difficult to watch a movie without fiddling with your settings.I have found if you buy a high quality AVR and expensive speakers you will need to do less fiddling as the sound is so much better anyway.You can’t make a silk purse out of a pigs ear comes to mind.You guys go into this like you think your astrophysicists,Just to listen to a star wars dvd or an old move remastered in a new sound format that would sound better on a high quality processor and individual amps anyway.These cheep all in one boxes are better than sound bars but and have improved but are limited in what they produce because of the way the amplifiers are made and the quality of the DACs and the heat they generate.You ramble on far to long about nothing much and use technical terms that most who buy these Denon and popular brands of AVR’s.most probably don’t understand and if they do the sound difference is indistinguishable to the untrained ear or average user today.From what I can gather the most important aspect of modern day AVR is younger people playing games on them, with the latest video standards.You’re overcomplicating the whole thing.Love to know what you guys watch as the mixing on today’s movies especially such as Netflix or even 4 K BluRay are really bad almost as bad as the cinematography.

Hi, i have Bose accostimass 10 series 5 speakers, auto calibrated at 40hz and lfe 120hz it sets my Yamaha is nc600 ceiling speakers to 60 hz, i really want to know should i leave it as it is or should i change the atmos ceiling settings to higher crossover. i would really appreciate your help with this.

I'm running a HK AVR1710. Subwoofer crossover frequency is managed auto by the amp. will it set the LFE automatically to 120HZ or do I need to adjust the crossover on my sub to 120hz? Running DT SuperCube8000. Thank you, learning lots!

Love this video!! Thank y'all!!

I heard dual subs are the way to go even if I have small room. 10 X 12. Can I use two different subs? I have one svs SB 3000 (main) and a Paradigm CT 90 10" driver sub? Would it work if I set the crossover to 35 Hz on the SB 3000 because the Paradigm only goes down to 30 hz?

Nice video. I just bought rx 385 yamaha and bose acoustimass 5 series v. I have been looking on KZread to see better video on the combination of this two devices but all to no avail. Did you have any idea on the combination of rx 385 yamaha and acoustimass 5 series v? If you do what will u advice to get better sound.

Hi, Iam using MacBook Pro 2011, umik-1, Yamaha sub, 5 Polk audio bookshelf speakers and Denon avr-x540BT. I use REW to measure and a software called Menubus (no longer for sale) to add my eq nbandeq,s to each channel (width, q, and gains) per REW measurement. What system wide app program can I use on Mac to add my REW nbandeq measurements to each 5.1 channel like Menubus? I reached out to Menubus and designer is now with amoeba he made audio app named source 4 but only 2 channel audio system wide.

I have some vintage Altec Lansing bookshelf speakers made in USA. They’re very neutral sounding. They go from 40 to 22,000hz. Their lowest useable frequency is 60hz @ +3db. I have them set to small. But what should I do in the bass management section? Should I set to LFE or LFE+Main?

So how do you get a set up for multiple people in the viewing,and listening area

Def Tech BP9080x towers Dual SVS PB2000 subs Monoprice Monolith 5x200w amp Monolith amp powering towers With my setup, am i able to set my towers to large and subwoofer mode as LFE+Main?

Wow I'm a little late to the party, but awesome video I learned a lot! Thank you, two years late but thank you.

Hey Gene I know you say a quality five point to set up is better than a cheaper 16 channel set up. I have my two towers, center channel and it two sites around bookshelves all in SVS ultra. I’m not really pleased with the output of the center channel. It’s nice but just doesn’t quite get it as loud as I would like. Do you think for the amount of money the Arendal 1723THX5 channel set up would be a big improvement especially when it comes to the center channel? Those duel eights being THX ultra certified are supposed to play quite a bit louder than the Ultra center channel right? I also have two rhythmic F-18s on the way to pair with whichever speakers I end up going with.

Great detailed discussion. Just have a doubt though - if one is using multiple subs is it necessary to have them with the same sizes?

@lgmnowkondo938

3 жыл бұрын

Of course it isn't..not at all.

Hi! I have Hooked up Elac Cinema 5 & Polk S10 with Denon AVR-S750H, Polk-S10 for front L&R channel, and Elac as a for L&R Surround and Top Middle.(5.1.2 atoms setup). what crossover I should use for all individual speaker including sub, do I need to set LFE+Main or not my speaker Frequency response is Polk S10 F.R = 67Hz to 40KHz (67 - 40,000 Hz) Elac (Front/Center/Surround) F.R=160Hz to 20KHz(160 to 20,000Hz) & Subwoofer F.R= 40Hz to 200Hz.

I would love some advice. Setting up a 5.1 Onkyo NR6050. Was using and very happy till it died Onkyo TX-Sr608 Room is my living room 12x20 Front speakers are Wharfedale Valdus 400se Center Sub and surround rear (side really) are Infinity. Front speakers are set to "full" Center is set to 100hz Surround is set to 120Hz LPF of LFE is set to 80% Double bass is "off"

I neep help,I have 1 amp and a 10"sub in the trunk with a pioneer AVH501EX head unit.Im trying to get the clean,crisp sound with out distortion but i dont know what to set my crossover in the head unit on.I tried doing it by ear but it didnt work....Suggestions PLEASE Audioholics or Community.Thank you

Hey Gene, thanks for all the great content. When frequency response range for center channel is 82Hz -21KHz, does that mean setting the crossover for it at 80Htz is pointless, because it can’t go lower than 82Htz (ma be wrong in how I’m understanding this)? Does that, then mean you have to set the crossover above 82Htz (what about rule of thumb THX recommendation of 80Htz) for a speaker like that? Would there be anything wrong with setting center speaker at 90Htz crossover and main (floor) speakers at 80Htz crossover? Would they play well together?

@xavdeman

3 жыл бұрын

82Hz, very specific. Must have gotten it from the manufacturer. Ignore their stats. They're usually exaggerated ("-6db" ratings).

Place the bouncy house modules on the ceiling instead? Better?

The brand of my speakers (JTR) were mentioned... Yay!!! Too bad I can't afford the Noesis 215RTs.

Thanks for the great enfo. 👍

Amazing video, I love the detail!! Well done... 😉👍

I always found using a high pass on the mains and filling the lower with a subwoofer never sounded as good as running the mains at full range and using the subwoofer to supplement the lowest octaves.

@Cenkolino

8 ай бұрын

Because that is the best setting. If you have competent speakers set them to full range and the subwoofers to LFE + Main. Then set the subwoofer to 120 Hz and get a 40 Hz rollof to the speakers that can handle up to 40 Hz. The subwoofers take all the signals from 40 Hz and below, sent to the full range speakers, and reproduce them. The new Denon and Marantz AVRs have that option now and it is the best sound you can get. I experimented a lot and that is my definitive conclusion.

This is fine for movies, TV shows, but what about surround systems for home audio? Are the crossovers different?

Hey there Gene, I was wondering if you’ve ever considered doing a actual receiver/speaker system setup??? I know that it would be time consuming, but you can release it as a series... Episode one could be proper wiring... Episode to could be proper speaker placement and so on... Most of us schmoes only understand 60% of the language. Lol!!! Great stuff you’re doing though 👍!!!

Hi guys great stuff! My Denon is making a clicking noise when I use my computer with my receiver. I hear a click and the audio goes out. I guess the clicking noise is actually coming from my speakers. Do I need to lower my hrz?

@SwirlingDragonMist

4 жыл бұрын

Receivers will shut themselves off to protect themselves. The electrical switch inside receivers can make a loud single click when it switches off or on. A receiver can shutdown for several reasons, like if it gets hot, so make sure you aren't blocking any of the vents and that it has room to breathe. Sometimes it can be the "current draw" of the speakers, this is why people consider the "impedance" of their speakers. Impedance is measured in ohms, most all consumer grade speakers are -rated- either 8ohm, 6ohm, or 4ohm. It's the low impedance that sucks the most juice, and can trip the protection circuits, so 8ohm is actually easier for receivers to handle. Your speakers should have the ohms written on the back, or the details can be found in online specs, but even a speaker rated at one ohm number can dip down below the number depending on the frequency it's playing. You may want to see if certain frequencies trip it. My guess is your speakers are demanding more current than your amplifier can deliver, and the amplifier is being stretched too thin. If it's only from the computer, then I don't I know about that. Sometimes when you plug a source into a system that is already on, it can make a super loud pop, these pops can destroy stuff, I lost a speaker to that once, when I plugged an aux into a computer headphone jack. Grounding the amplifier chassis eliminates those pops in my experience.

Hello I wanna know is it any reciever that’s 7.2 but can you make it to a 5.1.4 with a external amplifier?? If so can you tell which reciever

I set my speakers and sub to 75db for calibration and am I crazy to say I can’t hear the subs? Certainly I have to boost the sub level 6db to get close to reasonable.

24 hrs late , glad it was saved

REL set their 'crossover' at about 20kHz ;) OK - I'm being flippant - but I am interested in the approach they recommend for those of us who have speaker terminals and a subwoofer output on a 2-channel amp. Taking the fullrange signal seems like a simpler method of trying to integrate our main speakers with a subwoofer (or pair of subs - again, their stated preference) : happy to hear from any REL owners how that works out in practice.

@matthewhilty4209

5 жыл бұрын

The High lvl inputs work better than i expected. In the past I have hated adding subs to small speakers as they never blend well and volume discrepancies were always present when changing from quiet volume to loud volume , but the tiny T5i that I have blends perfectly with my bookshelf speakers on the high lvl inputs, in fact most of the time i cant tell the sub is on , it just sounds like my tiny speakers have bass. In reality i do NOT recommend this T5i , It only works for me because my room is very small. If my room was even 1 square foot bigger I would step up to the T9i or maybe the T7i , just my two cents.

@arthurwatts1680

5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhilty4209 Thanks for the feedback - very handy. As I wouldnt be able to afford anything more than a pair of T5i anyway (and they all recommend a stereo pair over a single sub for music) its just as well I also have a small room ;)

@PoesAcoustics

5 жыл бұрын

Arthur Watts there idea works to get sound to the sub, but their rationale is dumb. Devoid of any scientific logic. There is no benefit to a high level input over passive. If anything the opposite is true, as high level inputs can be noisy. Their idea that such an approach leads to better bass is silly. While they finally have a few decent subs, many of their classic designs are not very capable. The newer high subs look to be good but cost a lot. It’s a brand that has rubbed me the wrong way for a while given their ridiculous claims.

Finally! I've been actively bi amp with 2 woofers since the early 90s. My crossover point is 120Hz.

I’m using a 10 year old Yamaha Aventage receiver for music only and the YPAO adjusted my front energy C9 towers to 40hz bass crossover. And it sounds better 😮

if I set the crossover of my small rear satellite speakers to 150Hz, will the Subwoofer play up to 150Hz then, because it takes over from the satellites below 150Hz? I hope not, because that would make the Woofer locatable, right?

Unless i got powered subs built in (Def Techs) , considering passive speaker systems. I'm mostly always sticking to THX reconnected 80hz cross! - ENSURING that ea speaker n subs are in locations that dictate good response at critical crossover spots - unless using smaller satellites (up to 120hz cross to small 8" or smaller subwoofers). Even larger passive full range speakers aren't efficient enough, especially coupled with AV receivers, but even separates, to handle dynamics well enough. Just way it is

Hello greetings to all. I am translating, sorry for the errors, I have the rew program installed on my laptop, but the program does not recognize my RX-A2060 receiver. What to do in this case?

Hey Matt - would you be able to talk a bit more about the time delay/distance for subs and using your REW measurement trick? I don’t know if a private message would be easier or if you had anything up on the site already but would love to see that and try for myself.

@rgemail

Жыл бұрын

a little sad they specifically mentioned Matt's video but then neglected to link to it. I don't even know where to find this guy's channel. lol.

@dougbulldog9947

Жыл бұрын

@@rgemail www.youtube.com/@PoesAcoustics

Can i put 80hz subwoofer crossover in denon AVR X1400H? Is that right and is it handle ?

Current Set up - Denon X6400 receiver FRONTS: Klipsch RP280-FA (80hz), Center: Klipsch RP 450C (80Hz) Surrounds: Klipsch R-15M (90hz), I feel like these crossovers are good from what i've seen here, but the biggest question is the FRONT speakers, RP280-FA have the "bouncy house" speakers in the top (temporary fix for now) , what cross over would you recommend them to be at? ive seen so many suggestions online for the up firing atmos speakers and im just confused where to land at? ceilings flat, up firing speaker to ceiling is 4ft 4". Any recommendations or suggestions are welcome!

@Audioholics

5 жыл бұрын

Set the bouncy house speakers to 150Hz and that should help reduce localization of their sound. If you have them above ear level, that should also help as well. Good luck.

@PoesAcoustics

5 жыл бұрын

Jason Daudelin if I recall these atoms speakers are built in. Another fix is to get a block of acoustic foam and place it on top of the speaker at the front. It will absorb the sound coming toward you as the listener and reduce their detectability while preserving the reflection.

Hello. I was wondering if you could please do a video on how to use a parametric equalizer. I am so confused. Thank-you.

@thingsdemystified

4 жыл бұрын

What do you want to know?

@burnbakhri164

4 жыл бұрын

@@thingsdemystified can you tell me how to setup yamaha parametric EQ manually.. I got confused and not really understand

@pedrofmc0000

4 жыл бұрын

Set automatic Run YPAO and later you can select between flat, front and natural. Once done select to copy the one you prefer. After that, you can go to the manual configuration and change whatever parameter such as crossover. Yamaha YPAO usually set too often the speakers such as large. Select small and later you can select the crossover for them. I'd set a crossover between 80 to 100 Hz. You can set different parametric data such as gain or Point Q in the graphic of every speaker but I wouldn't do anything if you don't know. You can change the distance and level of every speaker.

Interesting to hear about keeping the speakers within 20hz of each other; never knew that. I have my front stage at 80hz (definitive technology bp9060 and cs9060) and all my surrounds and 4x ceiling speakers set to 100hz. Am I good with that delta from a Marantz SR7011?

@Audioholics

5 жыл бұрын

Marantz does bass management correctly. Height channels can be set higher than the bed channels, no problem there. I was mostly referring to the older products with Cirrus Logic chipsets.

@PoesAcoustics

5 жыл бұрын

pb24dagrk Gene answered this, but I’ll just add that other good reasons to keep them that close is General LF integration between speakers and subs. If the difference is too substantial you can get a disconnect or Bloat around the crossover region. If your sub is set to 80hz but you have Bose cubes as mains you get a gap between 80hz and 200hz where the cube has no significant output.

@MrStatusqwo5

5 жыл бұрын

@@PoesAcoustics set sub or LFE channel to 120 herz

Not sure why you dont want to use dipol in atmos or 5.1, works great for me, where I sit close to one of them, and it I really like it.

@pedrofmc0000

4 жыл бұрын

They are nice for a 5.1 system but if you have a 7-9.2 system then you don't need them because you already have different speakers for every surround channel.

Thanks a lot for your videos. I read the about keeping the crossover of speakers from 20hz to each others. I think I remember another video where Gene was telling that we shouldn't set more than 2 different values. Because I would se my height Chanel to 120hz, my center and surrounds on 80hz and my towers Jean Marie Reynaud Euterpes Suprêmes on 60hz on my marantz sr6012. Do you think it's a mystake? (unfortunately I already have 6ohms and 4 ohms speakers in my system...) Thanks By advance 😉 Boris

@PoesAcoustics

5 жыл бұрын

Boris Cacciaguerra I don’t think think you are gaining anything by having the mains set at 60hz. I would say either run them full range with the double bass setting (and readjust levels to get it integrated) or switch to 80hz. As Gene noted the crossover issue of yore is mostly resolved and many modern processors handle bass management better. However there are other reasons to keep consistent crossovers. Namely it is simply easier to get full integration across all speakers. A shift in bass level at a crossover point can make for an audible change in tonal balance.

@boriscacciaguerra6459

5 жыл бұрын

@@PoesAcousticsthanks a lot for your help

@boriscacciaguerra6459

5 жыл бұрын

By the way, what levels should I adjust exactly to get them integrated if I set my towers to full range? Thanks a lot

@PoesAcoustics

5 жыл бұрын

Boris Cacciaguerra well it isn’t quite that simple. You adjust them so they integrate evenly in level at the crossover point. However typical room curves should have a rise in the bass toward 20hz. We perceive bass as being neutral or flat when it actually is elevated in level, increasing as we get toward 20hz. Think of the preferred shape as being like a wedge shape. So if at 80hz your speakers are run large and playing at about 90dB, then the sub should integrate at the same level. You don’t want the sub necessarily elevating that level much of at all. However you would want the bass to increase below that point at about 1-2 dB per octave.

@boriscacciaguerra6459

5 жыл бұрын

@@PoesAcousticsI have learnd a lot, Thanks a lot. I don't have mesurement equipement and I run audyssey sovi Will do some New tests with my towers set on large. For now my ears tell me that my system sound better with my towers crossover set to 60hz than 80hz, but the "large setting" parametter seem to be an interesting solution.

I have the following system. In auto calibration it always set Large and it sets all 120hz. What should I do? crossover all 80hz? Premium ES 13.2 CH 8K A/V Receive Model : STR-AZ7000ES SS-CS8 Center Channel Speaker Model : SS-CS8 SA-CS9 Active Subwoofer with Bass Reflex. Model : SA-CS9 x 2 SS-CSE Dolby Atmos® Enabled Speakers Model : SS-CSE x 2 SS-CS5 Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) Model : SS-CS5 x 2 SS-CS3 Hi-Res Floorstanding Speaker (Single) Model: SS-CS3 x 4 BRAVIA XR 83" Class A90J 4K HDR OLED with Google TV (2021) Model: XR-83A90J

Fantastic video my mains specs are 44hz - 22khz +3db and senitivty is 90db so basically your saying still have them set at 80hz ?

@San-jose-Ruussh

3 жыл бұрын

What if I want my treble to be clearer what setting would that be under?

Hi Guys I just ran Audyssey on My Denon AVR-X2200, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze 500’s to 40hz, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze C150 to 40hz and the Monitor Audio Bronze 50 which I use as rears to 40hz I then put them all at 80hz (as we all do) It set my Fronts as Large, so I changed them to Small What would YOU set the crossovers at on my setup? Here are what my speakers can do I’m running 1 x subwoofer which is a BK XXLS400 FF and have it set to LFE only BRONZE 50 Frequency Response (-6 dB) 62 - 25,000 Hz (Free field) 40 - 30,000 Hz (In room) Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m) 85 dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Minimum Impedance 4.4 ohms Maximum SPL 107 dBA (pair) Power Handling (RMS) 80 W Recommended Amplifier Requirements 20 - 80 W Bass Alignment Bass reflex - HiVe II port system Crossover Frequency 2,500 Hz Drive Unit Complement 1 x 51/2" C-CAM bass/mid-range driver 1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide BRONZE 500 FLOORSTANDERS System Format 21/2-Way Frequency Response (-6 dB) 41 - 25,000 Hz (Free field) 32 - 30,000 Hz (In room) Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m) 90 dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Minimum Impedance 4.1 ohms Maximum SPL 116 dBA (pair) Power Handling (RMS) 200 W Recommended Amplifier Requirements 60 - 200 W Bass Alignment Bass reflex Dual HiVe II port system Crossover Frequency 550 Hz 2,700 Hz Drive Unit Complement 2 x 8" C-CAM midbass driver 1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide BRONZE C150 CENTRE System Format 2-Way Frequency Response (-6 dB) 83 - 25,000 Hz (Free field) 66 - 30,000 Hz (In room) Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m) 88 dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Minimum Impedance 4.3 ohms Maximum SPL 109 dBA (each) Power Handling (RMS) 120 W Recommended Amplifier Requirements 30 - 120 W Bass Alignment Sealed cabinet Crossover Frequency 2,700 Hz Drive Unit Complement 2 x 51/2" C-CAM mid-range driver 1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide

Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I understand why I should set all my speakers to small and the receiver crossover point to 80 but... when I use ypao mic to setup my Yamaha RX V473 receiver it changes all the speakers (except the center channel) from small back to large and crossover back from 80 to 120. The Yammy receiver is connected to Onkyo SKF-4800 floor-standing front speakers, Onkyo SKC-4800 center speaker, Infinity reference 5.5'' bookshelf rear speakers on stands and Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer. Do you think I should change all the speakers back to small and crossover to 80?

@pedrofmc0000

4 жыл бұрын

I can't understand what you're saying. If YPAO set the speakers to large, you can't set or even see the crossover of those speakers and therefore you can't set them to 120. You can only see the crossover when the speakers are set as small such as your center channel. That's when you can change the crossover but never if it is set to large. You have to change that to small before you can change those crossovers.

@DrAdd1999

3 жыл бұрын

Yes change all to small

Great video. So Denon Audyssey automatically sets all my speakers @ 80-100hz and has LPF for LFE @ 80hz. I have dual SVS Pc2000 pro's. Should I manually change Audyssey to 120hz for LFE?

@mark17840

2 жыл бұрын

yes to 120hz on the subwoofer LFE the way to go.

If I set my mains to 80htz will my subs only play the 80 and below? Cause my subs are way better then my mains lol I have 2 klipsch r 115sw subs and klipsch bigger of the best buy tower's and they don't put out much base. For movies subs only playing 80 and below might be fine but for music. My reciever has adjustment for center mains front surround but not sub but some one told me that when you set the regular speaker's even if it doesn't alow you to set sub crossover it manually sets sub to only play 80 and below

Gents, at about the 31min mark you mentioned that you either need to take the measurements or hire someone to do it for you. I'll spare my details but in general I've been a novice for many years trying to learn from your content. I'm to a point that my system should probably sound better than it is for my investment. Unfortunately I have had no luck finding someone to configure my system. Do you have any recommendations for someone that supports the Virginia region to make a house call?

@Audioholics

4 жыл бұрын

We do offer consultations and webinar packages if you're interested. Email: info@audioholics.com

I have a question because i see you recommend setting the crossover to 80hz. I current have the 8805avp with b&w cm10 s2 in the front which i have set to 60hz. It’s powered by emotiva xpa-2 gen 2 I’ve done rew and for the way i have them set which in my avp i have aud turned off because from the measurements i took with my speakers that’s where i got the flattest response but since you say smaller speakers which even though these are towers it is three small 6.5in woofers and the xpa-2 is a powerful amp should i set the speakers to 80hz. I’ve ran rew with it at 60 and 80hz at 60 it was a flatter response but would those extra 20 hz put a huge strain on the woofers? Also I’m running 2 SVS Ultra and 1 plus as my subs so i do have a good amount of bass i wouldn’t mind setting it to 80hz but from my rew measurements i left it at 60hz because it was a flatter response. Thank you.

Gene do you use Audessy when playing your movies or is it shut off because I am hearing feedback where other say audessy for dialogue does not produce well.

@HeavyMetalSonicRM

4 жыл бұрын

I can vouch for that. I turned Audyssey off years ago because it made dialogue sound like it was on top of the track instead of part of it. It was louder with a weird boost in midrange.

Thanks guys.

Wow, this was an education for me. My home theater is our living room. The space is 14×20. There is no back wall as it goes directly into our dinning room. There is an arch on each side wall between the living room and the dinning room where I was able to mount my back channel speakers. Keeping my back/surrounds at about 3 feet above seated ear level. I've always felt this was less than ideal but it's the space I have. I enjoyed the discussion about crossovers but was really more enlightened by the REW software and acoustic microphone recommendation. My system, at times, seems lacking and I'm sure it's not the equipment.

When I set my speakers to small and set the crossover, it seems to also limit the subwoofer. There is significantly less bass. I can hear there is almost nothing at the sub. But when I set it back to large, the subwoofer makes bass again. I have a Sony receiver. The subwoofer is powered and has speaker outputs on it with a crossover dial. Should I run the speakers from the sub?

@pedrofmc0000

4 жыл бұрын

Well if it's a self-powered subwoofer you could raise the subwoofer gain with its own knob...

I set all speakers crossover to 80hz, LFE 120hz. What about subwoofer manual filter setting? 50-150hz... I set 80hz on it too. Others set to maximum 150hz (or more if subwoofer support) .Thank you!

@TysonHook-22-

4 жыл бұрын

The low pass filter on the rear of subs I believe is for when physically wiring speakers to amps/recievers essentially a legacy format of subs... used for hooking up to old equipment pre LFE and the dedicated sub channel(s) and sub coaxial cables we're use to these days. When connecting your sub to a modern reciever your sub should have some kind of LFE bypass setting of the manual low frequency filter...If you dont have a physical LFE bypass on your subs low filter bypass, then I believe the general rule of thumb is to set it to 120hz.... Gene/audioholics def have discussed this in the past... some of the old vids with Hugo have discussed this for sure. In the setup you describe having right now your AVRs LFE setting is 120hz but you've put a physical filter on your sub at 80hz... so your not recieving the full 120hz signal information through your sub anymore... The AVR is sending 120hz information but the sub is filtering things out at 80hz now. Check to make sure your sub doesnt have a LFE bypass setting (for ex. SVS subs manual low pass filter has an LFE notch to set it to... you might have to check your subs manual to figure out the bypass setting) if your sub doesnt have a LFE bypass setting then set the low filter bypass to 120hz... just like your AVR LFE setting can also go above 120hz but should only ever be set to 120hz, the sub should be manually set the same way. So in summary. if your sub doesnt have the low filter LFE bypass setting just go with 120hz manual setting on your sub...done for the exact same reasons why you always set your LFE reciever settings to 120hz... you want your sub to recieve and reproduce the sources full signal infomation that's sent to it from your AVR.