“If you think safety becomes expensive, wait until you have an accident” my ATC Safety Instructor always said...

@ih82r8

3 жыл бұрын

This is always my thought. From the millions of dollars in fines, restitution, repairs and insurance, etc. just do it right in the first place!

@flipnap2112

3 жыл бұрын

Better to be delayed and find a problem on the ground then to discover it in the air.

@TheSpirosand

2 жыл бұрын

$90k per life is a bargain.

@KristinCortez

2 жыл бұрын

@@flipnap2112 in the movie "Sully", there is a scene where Sully is sitting in his hotel room and opens a fortune cookie. The fortune read, "Better a delay than a disaster". This is so true. Have a wonderful day.

@flipnap2112

2 жыл бұрын

@@KristinCortez God bless you

An uncontrolled in-flight cabin fire that I can't fight is the only thing that has every worried me in a 32 year pilot career. I knew Candi. She was at the mercy of every pilot's nightmare. Tailwinds always.

@ashleys9892

2 жыл бұрын

It’s so sad when you know a pilot just wants to keep everyone safe

@FH-lg9oc

Жыл бұрын

I worked for Valujet back then and knew her too. Not very well though but enough that when I heard the plane had crashed and that she was the pilot, I knew that there was no way it was pilot error.

@nenblom

6 ай бұрын

So sorry to hear of your loss. ❤

@davidb5728

3 ай бұрын

she and Richard did everything they could to save the plane

27 year old DC9 with value written on the side. Thanks I'll get the bus.

@edwinfitchett6033

3 жыл бұрын

Never been to the states but I'm told greyhound are up to Valujet standard

@Gamemaster0225

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwinfitchett6033 As it turns out, that standard is bursting into flames mid air.

@vipahman

3 жыл бұрын

SabreTech was to blame, not ValueJet. Just saying.

@brucelee4996

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwinfitchett6033 Greyhound blows. Unless you absolutely need to get somewhere.

@Sebastian-xl7vd

3 жыл бұрын

f

In 1995, the military refused ValuJet's bid to fly military personnel over safety worries, and officials at the FAA wanted the airline to be grounded.

@bradmccullough8240

3 жыл бұрын

My question is why wasn't it grounded?

@flexairz

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradmccullough8240 Ask the FAA.

@machintelligence

3 жыл бұрын

@@flexairz Who needs more "burdensome regulations?" /snark

@sarahalbers5555

3 жыл бұрын

That is the million dollar question. And why was Sabretech allowed to operate? They also had a shitty record.

@mariab7453

3 жыл бұрын

@@machintelligence the accident happened in spite of the regulations already put in place exactly to avoid this type of accident. Regulations did nothing.

The rules of aviation safety are written in blood. Very tragic accident 💔

@flexairz

3 жыл бұрын

Some of them are, yes.

@Cowboybrian01

3 жыл бұрын

Most of them in some way are.

@jamc666

3 жыл бұрын

sometimes it needs more than one disaster to have things fixed ... Follow the money. Always follow the money.

@martinc.720

3 жыл бұрын

@jamc666 Or science. Or enginnering.

@jammyn7368

3 жыл бұрын

So true - rulings came too late for the 110 poor souls who lost their lives so that we -- as the flying public, won't ever suffer THAT same fate (hopefully).

My daughter worked the office and spent 55 straight hours helping families make arrangements to come to the crash site. She was just 18. She has never forgotten.

@darrinsiberia

3 жыл бұрын

That sucks I'm sad hope she's found ways to make peace. What a soldier!

@Piankhi_the_Greater

Жыл бұрын

Tailwinds always for you and your family, Kent.

@danapb

Жыл бұрын

wow.. what a way to start her adult working career. I hope she's doing well.

This hits me close to home. My best friend’s brother was on this flight. I’ll eventually watch it all, but it’ll take me weeks at watching it in 10 second intervals.

@tj4234

3 жыл бұрын

R.I.P.

@anirudh9059

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry for your loss

@vixen4327

3 жыл бұрын

😢😢😢🤗🤗🤗

@jamiecloud1897

3 жыл бұрын

Porcupine, maybe it's best not to view this. Why add further trauma to your psyche when it's not necessary? Viewing it will leave an indelible imprint in your memory bank that you will not be able to release.

@bruceclevenger9343

3 жыл бұрын

I was booked on the flight, but changed my itinerary to the next day so I could spend an extra day in Miami. Instead of being on the flight, I was laying out on South Beach that Saturday when it crashed. I remember all the Miami Dade, Coast Guard search and rescue helicopters, planes etc flying towards the glades and wondering what happened until I went back to my room and turned on the news. Not ashamed to say, I fainted, right there on the floor. I wonder sometimes who got my seat.

The captain had only turned 35 the day before. That poor crew and those poor people! RIP

@B3Band

3 жыл бұрын

Her name was Candy, though. Yuck.

@TheMaleficent1

3 жыл бұрын

@@B3Band Who cares?

@ogc90

3 жыл бұрын

The captain was an Eastern Airlines scab

@TheMaleficent1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ogc90 Again, if true, who cares?

@ogc90

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMaleficent1 The Eastern pilots that didnt scab , snowflake

when the pilots stop responding to ATC, you know it's over.

@trevorlambert4226

3 жыл бұрын

Not true. They might just be too busy flying the plane. The most famous example is the water landing on the Hudson River. The pilot stopped responding for a significant period of time after saying "unable", as the air traffic controller continued to list airport runway options.

@vine7365

3 жыл бұрын

No,the pilots may not heard or may were 🤔 to respond, they also maybe be seeing something on control panel to respond a question.

@frederikzinn5427

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevorlambert4226 Exactly. You have to make priorities. Flying has to come first!

@sassytbc7923

3 жыл бұрын

@@frederikzinn5427 isn’t part of flying talking to ATC?

@frederikzinn5427

3 жыл бұрын

@@sassytbc7923 Depends a bit on your understanding. In case of emergency you wanna keep airborne. THAT means flying. It does not matter where you go or that you tell others about it. It is about making sure you dont crash. Communication is very important, yet, if you hit the ground, there is no communication either. So first priority is to fly the aircraft!

I remember always. Was at my college graduation...one of the graduates was getting his degree. They said his mother was on that flight. He continued to march & get his degree for her. Broke everyone's heart.

@Brock-Lesnar-WWE

2 жыл бұрын

If they're white.. I don't care. Ahhahah more please!

@_Shadoh_

Жыл бұрын

@@Brock-Lesnar-WWE Tf is wrong with you??

@gpt-jcommentbot4759

9 ай бұрын

@@Brock-Lesnar-WWE too bad some aren't

I remember to this day that accident and the fact sabretech didn’t train their employees properly and misled them to believe the canisters were safe still makes me sick, tragic accident that could’ve been avoided

@sd906238

3 жыл бұрын

The prosecutors showed videos of the oxygen canisters burning but they didn't show the part how they had use a torch to set them on fire. They didn't mention that the DC-9's had the worst safety record by far for fires compared to other commercial airliners. They also didn't mention that just before that flight a circuit breaker kept tripping on the plane and they bypassed the breaker.

@davesmith5656

3 жыл бұрын

From the summary in the video, I expected at least involuntary manslaughter charges against Sabretech. Fines is all they got? Are the irresponsible employees still authorized to work in the industry? How many other lies are printed on cargo manifests?

@icarcity2235

3 жыл бұрын

Why is it when and human life is taken away on a flight THEN action is taken not before there should be contingency to avoid situations like this and i agree shouldent they be charged for manslaugter as that would of never happened if dealt correctly, i mean 110 + people died and not and single manslaughter charge wtf, money can always be earned and paid back but loosing and life is something that cannot be brought back or paid for makes me sick -_-

@ashlogan2049

3 жыл бұрын

@@icarcity2235 there was contingency, but it was bypassed by lies and misleading statements. Looks like the ground crew thought they were loading "safe" cargo. Agreed, minimum manslaughter, or why not murder since it was a deliberate act of deception

@YEETMAN-dt9mb

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashlogan2049 yes the ground handlers believed they were loading empty canisters and not generators

Surprised they failed to mention in this video there is STILL an arrest warrant out for one of the SabreTech employees who skipped town during investigations. For 25 Years FBI Have Vigorously Pursued Mechanic Suspected In The ValuJet Crash but still have not caught him.

@Sebastian-xl7vd

3 жыл бұрын

f

@karenhoward6712

3 жыл бұрын

omg!

@watershed44

3 жыл бұрын

@jeffostroff I would imagine that he is probably a foreign national that came into the USA on an HB-1 visa. So wherever he was from that is where he can be found the US probably doesn't have some kind of agreement with whichever country it is.

@Powerranger-le4up

3 жыл бұрын

Greg Feith mentioned it in his podcast when he and John Goglia discussed that crash.

@stuartlee6622

3 жыл бұрын

He's an illegal alien, buddy!

Captain Candi Kubeck was the first female captain to die in a commercial airline crash. R.I.P

@brucelee4996

3 жыл бұрын

Candalyn "Candi" Kubecken.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_Kubeck.🙏

@Schrottkralle

3 жыл бұрын

Let us hope that she and most people on board passed out due to smoke Inhalation before impact. R.I.P.

@Powerranger-le4up

3 жыл бұрын

@@Schrottkralle The last minutes of the CVR record only the wind so she and the first officer likely did pass out.

@orvilleh.larson7581

3 жыл бұрын

A critical observation about Captain Kubeck: I can't help but wonder why a self-respecting pilot would want to fly for a shitty airline. . . .

@maxpenn6374

3 жыл бұрын

@@orvilleh.larson7581 She probably considered it a stepping stone to a job with a real airline. Can't say I blame her.

This one hit me harder than all the others. I think it's the sheer helplessness of it all. There was literally nothing anyone could've done and it just kept on getting worse and worse. What I think it's important to take away from this is that sometimes paying a little extra is worth it for quality and safety. Rest in peace to all that lost their lives

@sazzlepop321

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I felt the same

@meddyven

10 ай бұрын

Even today, people on the ramp stack baggage to the ceiling,blocking the fire suppression systems. I make them re do the entire pit. This accident is ALWAYS on my mind, and I won't compromise passengers lives.

Out of all the plane crashes, the wrecks, or any solved/unsolved cases...THIS one always stays with me. The character drawing on the side of the fuselage has always disturbed me in the saddest way 😔

@henrymanzano9168

2 жыл бұрын

It sticks with me too. My mother,my oldest sister and one of her daughters were on a flight from New York to Salt Lake City,UT that same day. Being a person who always worries when loved ones fly,I hadn't heard from them yet,when the 6 o'clock news on NBC had come on,leading with this story. That tenth of a second between Tom Brokaw saying "A plane crash" and "in Florida" was the longest fraction of a second of my life. You never know when it's your time,and you never know how a lot of these airlines run,with regard to how they handle and transport unsafe materials. This crash and South African Airways 295 were two of the worst

@MyCatInABox

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrymanzano9168 I can only imagine being in your situation, and hearing the news- word for word- on the tv news...

@NondescriptMammal

2 жыл бұрын

yeah there's something about that logo just screams "don't get on this plane, this airline is run by idiots"

Great videos. What always hits me hard is imagining the terror those on board would feel that instant when they knew it was over. Especially the pilots who work so hard to keep everyone safe, yet realize there is nothing more they can do. Horrible!

@watershed44

3 жыл бұрын

@Jim West Agreed. The only thing I can imagine is that somehow the pilots could have donned their own bottled O2 masks, but with no ability to actually control the plane...probably all they would have had up till the end might have been the ability to control engine speed.

@michaelreece458

3 жыл бұрын

A horrific way to perish....fire coming right up through the floor with passengers' feet alit. I can only imagine the panic that must have ensued.

@holisticbiohacker8144

2 жыл бұрын

@@provisionalhypothesis yes they say flying is the safest form of transport, but it’s not the odds of a crash that worries people , but the nature in which it would happen. Minutes of pure terror before plunging to death and watching happen in real time

@chinbosschinboss2484

Жыл бұрын

@@holisticbiohacker8144 it's the safest form huh? Would you rather be involved in a car accident or a plane crash? Sure plane crashes are rare but people win the lottery every single day.

@bostonterrierplanet-bn1ge

Жыл бұрын

Seems to with smoke and fire, you put the plane down immediately on any open ground. Why not?

Today, expired oxygen generators are never transported by plane, but by truck.

@lenadams854

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@mikefoehr235

3 жыл бұрын

Smart

@ARedMotorcycle

3 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why it wasn't always like that. Don't they have any forward thinking skills? Life is cheap, I guess. "Let's wait and see what happens before we make changes....".

@chenellebeautytv

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know

@marcuskeulertz5852

3 жыл бұрын

That's why DHL don't transports any hazardous materials like rechargeable lithium batteries by airmail.

I cannot imagine being in the passenger cabin - dying in a fire and in an airplane are two of my worst deaths...this was BOTH combined. Absolutely terrifying for everyone.

I’ve watched a bunch of these and while I have gotten angry at pilots making errors, I think this is the one that has pissed me off the most. Such a tragedy that never should have even happened.

@psalm2forliberty577

3 жыл бұрын

The company who made those oxygen cannisters FAILED to supply the proper plastic caps to seal them for their (eventual) safe disposal. So, there was NO way for those Sabertech emoloyees to render these empty cannisters 'Safe' for shipping & disposal. How Tragic.

@stephenp448

3 жыл бұрын

@@psalm2forliberty577 The main problem at hand was that they weren't empty at all - just past their shelf life. And as I've understood it, the people who packaged them knew they didn't have the correct safety caps and were told to pack them up anyway. I could be wrong on that point.

@jf5-mars334

3 жыл бұрын

But should the pilots try a emergency landing right on the spot (on a road or flat terrain) instead of asking nearest airport ? because the situation was hopeless by then .

@psalm2forliberty577

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenp448 Yes 100% correct you are. The safe action SHOULD have been: Sabertech manager: "Call the Oxygen Cylinder manufacturer & have them send proper DISPOSAL CLOSURE CAPS & SHIPPING CRATES so we may safely do our jobs". Thats what wasn't done - and with tragic results.

@sicooper4230

3 жыл бұрын

@@jf5-mars334 Finding an area that's safe enough and gives a continuous stretch for landing probably just wasn't available in their sights.

The production in this is absolutely superb

@erinthesystem9608

3 жыл бұрын

My parents thought it was weird when I told them, "I watch plane crash videos to relax." But it's because of the beautiful music- majestic, tragic- and the views of the flights; there's also something comforting about the predictable arc, the cozy enclosed space of the cabin, the highly technical descriptions and the way problems are remedied or explained- something about all of these aspects, when taken together, is strangely reassuring.

@darrinsiberia

3 жыл бұрын

I have to admit. I am a total Flight Channel junkie.

@cryptohunter8119

3 жыл бұрын

@@erinthesystem9608 well said

@erinthesystem9608

3 жыл бұрын

@@cryptohunter8119 Thx! 😊

Awesome job!! I'm gonna keep my feet on the ground! This was heartbreaking! The flight attendant Jennifer Stearns. Her dad was my manager. I remember her back to when she was a young little girl. Adorable!! Great family!! Love them all. So tragic! What a loss she was!

I remember this accident. The incompetence and disregard for safety was staggering.

You know if the military denies it due to safety regulations then it's definitely a bad airline 🤣

@donf3877

3 жыл бұрын

In 1976 I flew to Okinawa Japan on a military charter. It was a Trans International Airways (TIA... not TWA) stretched DC-8. Remember those... from the late 50's - early 60's. It was one of the very first jet-engine airliners. TIA, which was an airline out of the Philippines, had 747's that they used for cargo. But, they used the old outdated DC-8+ birds for military charters so they could under bid the competition. Only after one of their DC-8's lost an engine... it didn't stop working... it FELL OFF THE PLANE mid-Pacific... did parents of military members raise enough of a stink with Congress that the military was restricted to using only U.S. based airlines. Luckily, even the military wasn't stupid enough to charter ValuJet birds. Oh and, if you fly and don't know it already ... NEVER EVER get on an AllegiantAir bird. Other than a crash that hasn't happened yet, they have a horrible maintenance and emergency landing history :( Pretty much a crash waiting to happen..................

@PhilMoskowitz

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. The military's MIL-SPECs are far more stringent than what you'll find in commercial applications.

@donf3877

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilMoskowitz Really??? All governments in the U.S., whether federal or state or local, and whether the military or NASA or whatever has, at least in the very near past, taken the lowest bid regardless of even national origin. There are even Chinese-made electronics in our fighter aircraft. And, it really pisses me off seeing vehicles from foreign-owned manufacturers being used as government vehicles... and that includes Dodge. At least Trump tried to get it into law that the federal government was required to buy American unless the product/part was unavailable from a U.S. manufacturer.

@KrK007

3 жыл бұрын

Or where they are based and who's Senator they're "good friends" with...

@JesusPerez-iw3ey

2 жыл бұрын

I would rather fly with USA military than any airline. Best trained pilots. And strict maintenance and safety by Air Force personnel. Most of the best pilots that go fly commercial Airlines and mechanic come from Air Force or military around the world. So you best respect the military bae.

What's really shocking is, it wasn't poor maintenance that brought this Value Jet down. It's was its unstable and combustible cargo. What a sad loss, for a pilot that was born to fly.

@RBMapleLeaf

Жыл бұрын

And it was Oxygen Generators for your info that combusted and it didn’t help they were over the Florida Everglades. If you read Eastern Airlines 401 (Not due to a fire) most people die from either the impact or drowned in an Crocodile infested swampland. Likely most people died from Smoke inhalation, from the impact receiving blunt force trauma, drowned or eaten alive by crocodiles or dipping to having spill jet fuel in their eyes you know what I mean.

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

No human being is born to fly. Birds are born to fly

@jshepard152

Жыл бұрын

Their maintenance was shit though. Around that time ValuJet was having an emergency landing every few weeks.

@virginiaviola5097

Жыл бұрын

@@jshepard152 so less than Southwest today then?

@jshepard152

Жыл бұрын

@@virginiaviola5097 That's a stupid suggestion. Southwest has a fantastic safety record. United and American have whole cemeteries full of dead passengers. Southwest has exactly one. In fifty years.

Valujet actually did recover, just in a rather sneaky way-they purchased a much smaller airline named AirTran-and then renamed themselves AirTran. Despite adopting the name and logo of the smaller predecessor, the bulk of the merged airline's equipment and employees came from Valujet, as did all its executives. AirTran/Valujet continued to operate for a decade and a half after the crash, until it was bought out by Southwest in 2011.

@peytonbass5396

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@jshepard152

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Southwest promptly got rid of their dodgy old planes.

@stellarv5689

Жыл бұрын

Sneaky

@virginiaviola5097

Жыл бұрын

So, it’s still operating then. Splains a lot.

@liamb8644

Жыл бұрын

@@virginiaviola5097No.

my dad was a nuclear physicist who worked on this fire and recreated it in his lab, Western Fire Center. It was pretty cool to see the recreation of the hold, the boxes, the fire. Amazing video ♥

@journalgirrl

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing. Do you happen to know if there is video footage of his research? I’d love to see the recreation of this.

@German_Shepherd_Mom

3 жыл бұрын

@@journalgirrl ny dad passed away in 2009. My brother is still running the company. I can ask him ♥

@journalgirrl

3 жыл бұрын

@@German_Shepherd_Mom Bless your heart. My belated condolences. 💜💜💜

@German_Shepherd_Mom

3 жыл бұрын

@@journalgirrl thank you ♥

@moxievintage1390

3 жыл бұрын

Wow that’s quite a coincidence… sounds like an interesting childhood!! 💝

I had heard of this crash, seen it atleast twice on Air Crash Investigation, but never have I seen the cause and effect explained so simply and lucidly.... congratulations on another fantastic video!!!

@krashd

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't it crash in the Everglades making it very difficult to investigate? IIRC investigators had to wade through water that was two foot deep and infested with alligators.

@stevenbarrett4110

3 жыл бұрын

@@krashd Yep. I recall them not finding any bodies.

@vixen4327

3 жыл бұрын

@@krashd yup I vividly remember the news stories on this crash 😥

@paulsuprono7225

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenbarrett4110 Heh heh heh - alligators were hungry. They made this their 'barbique' ! 😬💀

@darreno1450

3 жыл бұрын

They found bits and pieces of people but that's about it. It happened not too far from where I lived at the time. There was actually a picture of a mound of debris in the air just after it hit floating around the internet. I remembered one of fishermen that were close by saying it was the loudest thing he ever heard when it hit.

Those of us who have flown Tower Air (AKA Terror Air) can imagine how bad ValuJet had to be to not get a government contract.

@Eibarwoman

3 жыл бұрын

The answer is atrocious. ValuJet/AirTran was highly well... suspect.

@michealfriedman7084

2 жыл бұрын

I flew Tower Air back from Saudi Arabia in 1991. We were a Battalion of Marines. Landed in Shannon Ireland, New York, then March AFB.

This was a giant media deal when it happened. The owner of the company went on to own a other huge company. The way they ran their business was disgusting. The owner should have been banned for life from ever operating an airline again.

@Ayeshteni

3 жыл бұрын

Imprisoned for Corporate Manslaughter, methinks.

@josephelkoury3689

3 жыл бұрын

Imprisoned period

@9HighFlyer9

3 жыл бұрын

The maintenance company had a big presence at PHX.

@jdtown6585

3 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what most USA politicians (conservatives and libertarians) push for; what they call free market capitalism. "Let the markets decide" is their rallying cry.

@davegrenier1160

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ayeshteni This is one thing the Chinese government gets right. You kill employees or customers through negligence of any sort, and you go to jail or are executed. That's real responsibility.

Nice graphics of the cargo compartment

@Dick_Z_Normas

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, DC-9's operated by ValuJet didn't use containers. Everything was loaded by hand.

@davskol

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dick_Z_Normas Containers do not fit in the cramped cargo hold of any DC9/MD80. With the exemption of Airbus 319/320/321 narrow body (single aisle) jets only have bulk load cargo holds. I remember this accident as I started the ground crew course at Scandinavian Airlines at ARN 20th Mai 1996. Our instructors ment this accident was proving that the loadmaster jobb is important. I didn't and don't disagree.

@rd.2670

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure Best Buy is thrilled with that product placement. Lol

@SmokeyJ628

3 жыл бұрын

@@rd.2670 I wondered if anyone else noted that "ad". haha

@Dick_Z_Normas

3 жыл бұрын

@@davskol I worked around all types of aircraft in 40 years with USAirways, now American. The loadmaster's job is important, its true, although automation has reduced their responsibilities.

I have seen a fair number of stories and reports on this event. I can not ever say enough about how well TFC depicts these events! The care and detail without the "fluff" of commercial reporting is amazing! So detailed, in a way I can truly appreciate. You do great videos TFC, Thanks! I thought I knew everything there was to know about this event, but I learn so so much!

I had smoke in the cockpit on a night flight into Vegas. There's a sudden moment, after you smell the burning copper and switches stop working, when you think "I should just B-Line for the nearest flat patch of dirt." Only in my case it was pitch dark like flying in a closet with the lights out. Absolutely terrifying experience. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'm sorry this crew had to endure it to the end.

I was impressed by ATC person changing his mind and telling the copilot to stay on the same frequency, thus not adding to the cockpit’s workload. Not that it changed anything in the end, alas... :-(

@flagmichael

3 жыл бұрын

Also not requiring another controller to get briefed on an emergency situation with a very tight time line. Great decision.

@watershed44

3 жыл бұрын

@Cecily B' I got the impression that the controller knew the situation was absolutely critical. If I was on duty I would have stayed with this flight until the ending whatever the outcome.

@duartesimoes508

3 жыл бұрын

That’s mandatory whenever possible with an aircraft in Emergency, precisely to remove this task from the pilot. At least, as ATCo I was taught that way in Portugal. All other traffic may then be sent to a secondary frequency, in order to keep the primary frequency well clear.

@darrinsiberia

3 жыл бұрын

But when pilot asked for nearest airport ATC just repeated direction to Miami I swear if it was me I'd just hit the brakes and point it to the greenest field on the horizon and hope for the best. Even then they still probably die but not in total vain.

@quill444

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, so many of the ATC recordings in hindsight are like those less-than-helpful 9-1-1 operators, who are slow on the uptake. This guy did his job! If I am that pilot, however, with smoke at takeoff, and passengers seeing flames, I'm not waiting for ATC or any vectors! I'm down on the first wide road or Interstate Highway or football field! - j q t -

It boggles my mind that a company like this was allowed to operate. The US military turned down their bid to transport due to safety concerns, that should tell you something. The fact that it took a tragedy like this happening for anything to be done is scary, and illustrates the negative part of capitalism.

@donf3877

3 жыл бұрын

Especially since in the mid-70's they were chartering TIA (Trans International Airways, not TWA) DC-8+. TIA, out of the Philippines, had 747's they used for air cargo... but used the old 1950's - 1960's DC-8+ for military charters to save... MONEY. Only after one of their DC-8+ passenger birds lost an engine mid-Pacific... it didn't stop working... it FELL OFF THE PLANE... did the parents of military members raise such a stink in Congress that the military was forced to use U.S. flagged airlines. Oh and, if you fly and don't already know, NEVER EVER get on an AllegiantAir bird. Their maintenance and emergency landing history is horrible. A crash waiting to happen.

@colincampbell767

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting to note the differences in safety culture between the Pentagon and the 'line' units. Line units are absolutely anal about following safety rules while the 'echelons above reality' seem to think that yet another mind-numbing Powerpoint presentation is going to solve the problem.

@jimb12312

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. No accidents, reckless behaviour, and corruption ever occurred in Socialist and Communist countries. Soviet Russia and China have the best safety records.

@dittohead7044

3 жыл бұрын

That’s not capitalism. That’s out and out greed

@codym7299

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimb12312 lol brother.... hes not saying capitalism is bad.... hes saying this is a negative aspect of it.... were human lives have a price tag. If you cant see that ( which wouldnt surprise me) I feel deeply sorry for you and the people who need to deal with you on a daily basis.

I can't watch this video beyond the first few seconds. My good friend was a pilot with ValueJet when this happened. He was friends with the pilots and was really broken up over this. Hearing his pain left a scar with me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As a pilot, dealing with a fire in the air is probably the highest thing on my "please, no." list. -Pat -3 Greens Aviation

@KrK007

3 жыл бұрын

I hear you. While I've seen positive outcomes for situations involving engine or tire fires I can't think of one offhand where the fire was inside the fuselage of an aircraft in flight and it worked out for passengers and crew....

@GoldenMushroom64

3 жыл бұрын

No one cares :P

@kristen5599

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoldenMushroom64 You must care if you went out of your way to comment

@JohnDoe-dj3lw

2 жыл бұрын

@@jje984 yeah, you basically get two options: you either get cooked alive or crash in a split second but thing is...you don't get to choose because you always crash first. I guess you can only hope to black out due to smoke inhalation or something before you hit the ground, I don't know..

Thank you for giving us so much information. My heart goes out to the 110 people who died on this tragic day.

Never get on a plane with the word VALUE on it

@yoohyeonslostwig69

3 жыл бұрын

Why y'all blaming the airline when the ground workers we're the one who caused it

@impactzone269

3 жыл бұрын

@@yoohyeonslostwig69 mhmm

@Hollypenopepper

3 жыл бұрын

@@yoohyeonslostwig69 it's a joke. Lighten up.

@yoohyeonslostwig69

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hollypenopepper lighten up like the fire onboard?

@leoray1234

3 жыл бұрын

@@yoohyeonslostwig69 because who contracted the questionable third party company Sabretech? Valujet.

$11M in damages/fines and no criminal prosecution? Several SabreTech employees and executives should have gone to prison for life. They clearly cut corners intentionally and murdered 110 people. SMDH.

@jesuswasjewish5289

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to America.

Flight 592 crashed into the Everglades only a few miles from where Eastern Airlines 401 crashed in 1972

@orvilleh.larson7581

3 жыл бұрын

Eastern Flight 401 was the second of three airline crashes in the Everglades. The first one was Northwest Orient Flight 705. On February 12, 1963, Flight 705 crashed 15 minutes after takeoff from Miami. The plane went out of control in severe turbulence, and disintegrated. A personal note: My parents knew the parents of Mary Susan Sandell, one of the five stewardesses killed in the crash. (The crew was based in Minneapolis. I was eight years old and in the third grade at the time.) Mary Sandell is buried in Lakewood Cemetery in Minneapolis: www.findagrave.com/memorial/38873959/mary-susan-sandell

@flipnap2112

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't live too far from the Everglades when this happened. It was all over the news. Locals reported seeing a mushroom cloud made out of mud that looked like an atomic bomb went off. They had crews of hundreds of people poking the mud with sticks looking for the black box. Through alligators and snakes, one guy said that he prayed to God that he would find it and immediately felt a click in the ground, and it was the black box. I remember seeing that on the news and his interview. Praise God. Rest in peace you good people

I feel like I shouldn't watch this, since I have a flight in 2 days. But great video! Thank you TFC.

@joyhruska9377

3 жыл бұрын

Safe travels. I completely understand. I do the same thing. I have watched them sitting at the airport waiting to board a plane! 🤦‍♀️

@benkeel2966

3 жыл бұрын

You're safer up there than down here. This was a freak accident that will never happen again.

@FelisThis

3 жыл бұрын

It's safer to fly than ride in a car. So they say. Just don't watch one of these videos at the airport with no ear buds and maximum volume. Lol

@kdesanto8914

3 жыл бұрын

I follow @74gear also. He's a pilot and his videos make me feel much better about flying. Maybe that would help you too?

@watershed44

3 жыл бұрын

@@FelisThis Exactly. It could be considered a disturbance, might get you thrown out of the terminal.

I was a courier in Fort Lauderdale when that plane went down in the everglades. We shuttled so much equipment out there to be loaded onto airboats and hauled out there. The stench of aviation fuel was thick in the air for days after that crash. They were using the big tourist airboats that hold about 30 people to haul debris and human remains because of the location of the crash site. If you ever go on vacation to FL and go to Holiday Park for an airboat ride, they had one airboat with a painted design on it as a tribute to those that were recovered with that airboat. Very surreal. Not sure if that boat is still being used today, but as of 2012, it was still there when I moved away.

Thanks for having this on youtube. All those people are gone nothing can bring them back. May all Rest In Peace 🙏

I remember this tragedy as if it was yesterday. I was at the Trail Glades shooting range, shooting skeet with friends. I remember scores and scores of emergency vehicles blaring sirens and speeding down Tamiami Trail headed for the glades, we knew right away something terrible had happened, we did not see any smoke plume. When I got home and turned the TV on it was a horrific sight, they said they barely found parts of the plane as the angle and speed made it slip right into the mushy, wet bog of the Everglades, it was unreal and depressing. I still can't forget. Such a senseless and preventable tragedy.

I've been watching this channel for a long time and never cried before. This was senseless. 💔

What a complete & utter nightmare, everyone on this plane was suffocating from thick smoke, burning from the fire & then crashed! This airline should've had someone inspect what was going into the cargo area of this plane, making sure it was safe. You can't trust what anyone tells you! You need to check things out for yourself! My heart goes out to all the poor souls on this flight & all families who lost their loved ones. R.I.P.

I remember this accident from when I was a kid. Really appreciate the way these videos are respectfully produced with regards to those who didn't survive.

This one is so so sad and so chilling. Those poor passengers burning in a smoke filled cabin with a raging, oxygen fueled fire melting through the floor. I have always felt so awful about this crash and so enraged at the carelessness and irresponsibility that led to it.

@KrK007

3 жыл бұрын

It's terrible. The heat and smoke overcame the pilots in the cockpit before they crashed, which means the people in the cabin had already been killed at that point.

@MrCrystalcranium

3 жыл бұрын

@@KrK007 At one point on the CVR just before the fatal plunge, a flight attendant screamed into the cockpit "Completely on Fire!". One thing not mentioned here that was in the NTSB report was the CVR recorded what sounded like rushing air after ATC lost communications with Critter 592. They speculated one of the pilots opened a cockpit window in a desperate attempt to clear the flight deck of smoke. Just horrible.

That was a near tailstrike on rotation there. Rip to the people who died

@carolinehoward180

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too!

@Sebastian-xl7vd

3 жыл бұрын

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@johnfranklin5277

3 жыл бұрын

Computer animation.....

@B3Band

3 жыл бұрын

Rip to the people who survived too. Because they're also dead.

@thebaguettecompany

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfranklin5277 nope it's a simulator...

Another fantastic video. I’ve seen multiple documentaries on this including Air Crash Investigation but the cgi just blows them out of the water. A terrible tragedy that could have so easily been avoided. God bless their souls 🙁🙁🙁

@killout18

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Caroline, this is a game called flight simulator. You can download it on your computer and play it.

@impactzone269

3 жыл бұрын

@@killout18 is it available for mobile?

@jammie129

3 жыл бұрын

@@impactzone269 no your phone would exode trying to play flight sim

You're one of the few channels that gets me excited about your new videos!

When the American TV show COPS visited Miami during the time this crash happened, one of the calls was this crash.

I started my career in September of 1998 at Delta Airlines, installing fire suppression systems in the cargo holds of MD-88's, MD-90's and 727's. I remember it like it was yesterday! This accident was the stuff of nightmares...but lots of wonderful, much needed changes came out of this accident. Just so sad that so many innocent people had to foot the bill. Continued Godspeed to all of the souls on board that day.

I remember this accident. I thought it was tragic at the time but I don't remember hearing just how terrible this short flight must have been for the passengers and crew. This was so much worse than I ever knew. Thank you for the fuller picture of this accident.

I was still living in South Florida when this happened. It was all over the news for days. Those poor souls never stood a chance of surviving thanks to Sabre Tech and the extreme cost cutting measures of ValuJet. The Pilots were doing their best to get that plane back to the airport but unfortunately everything was against them and time ran out. I can't imagine the suffering and terror everyone was enduring. I remember seeing a lot of footage on television of the crash and the efforts to try and recover the victims remains from the bottom of the Florida Everglades. The footage of the crash was so heartbreaking to see. Thank you Flight Channel for bringing this to us. Rest in Peace beautiful souls.

This channel has the best presentation of all the channels I have subscribed to

I never really knew the full details about the oxy containers on the ValuJet crash so thank you for this episode.

@darrinsiberia

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate this channel it is the most informative out there. It is interesting to search the same flights and see other dramas / reports they're never nearly as detailed.

I remember being at work.and hearing on the radio about a plane crashing into the Florida Everglades. It was terrifying and chilling...watching this re-creation brought me back to that day. RIP to the victims of flight 592.

Glad I flew home from Miami this past Saturday, before seeing this video. So scary, but very well-done per usual, TFC!

What makes fire so dangerous on an airplane is how crazy easy it is to melt Aluminum. People assume airplanes are fireproof because the are made of metal but Aluminum's ability to resist fire isn't much better than wood and it is worse than some hard plastics.

@krashd

3 жыл бұрын

What makes fire so dangerous on an airplane is the many toxic substances used in construction. The skin of the plane is the least of your worries as you'd be dead from toxic fumes long before the integrity of the plane is compromised. Aluminium is however the reason why certain reactive metals like Gallium and Magnesium are not allowed anywhere near planes.

Mauro Ociel Valenzuela-Reyes was one of the SabreTech mechanic contractors who was apparently responsible for loading those "Empty" oxygen canister packages in the cargo hold of Flight 592 without putting the safety caps on them. After the accident, he failed to show up on trial and as a result, he is wanted by the FBI but was never caught to this day.

@nancysaucier1112

2 жыл бұрын

There’s still a warrant out for his arrest. Rumored to be in his native Brazil

One of saddest crashes, and they’re all sad

You really do a wonderful job on your videos…which is why I continue to watch them!

Melting of the electronics doomed it. This tragedy shouldn't ever happened.

In 1988 an American Airlines Md-83 had a cargo hold fire while on approach into Nashville, but the crew managed to safely land the plane and save the lives of all onboard. Following this, the NTSB recommended that all planes be equipped with fire detection and/or fire suppression systems in the cargo holds, however, the FAA never implemented this. After the ValuJet crash the NTSB re-recommend this, and the Administrator of the FAA and the Secretary of Transportation were both fired as a result.

Great graphics. I felt like I was right there in the cockpit. The Captain did everything she could before losing controls and maybe consciousness. I applaud her efforts. This was a horrible accident that could have been prevented. RIP, all passengers and crew.

@meddyven

10 ай бұрын

This just shows how fast the situation became dire. The aircraft was only a few miles out, and the fire crippled it so fast, even the crew couldn't get it back to the airport.

Someone ought to still be in jail for this accident.

Your videos are awesome, and you’ve added some scenes like that fire in cargo compartment… that was really cool. Excellent work.

Here first just for the efforts you put in this for us

Any airline that includes the word “value”, “econo” or “cheapo” in their name, I’ll avoid at all costs!

@yoohyeonslostwig69

3 жыл бұрын

Fire caused by *GROUND WORKERS*

@hunterkiller1984

3 жыл бұрын

With hyperloop possibly becoming a thing in the future; Imagine if other companies came up with cheapo versions of said technology.

@hunterkiller1984

3 жыл бұрын

@@yoohyeonslostwig69 I mean the aircraft had a history of reliability issues but ok.

@rezhaadriantanuharja3389

3 жыл бұрын

“Lion” too

@emotionaloveracorolla5274

3 жыл бұрын

"Ryan" as well (no offense)

A sad story indeed . . . we appreciate your efforts in helping us understand the faults and imperfections in our travel industry. Thanks from Bob

Dude ! you're a Friggin Genius ! The way you put the whole thing together !

The airtight cargo hold reminds me of the bulkhead doors on the Titanic. A wise man once said: "Foolproof systems fail to take into account the ingenuity of fools"

Riding Valu-Jet is about as obvious as walking up a set of stairs with a sign that reads, "Built by Rickety Constukshon Company."

So sad. Once it said the pilots were incapacitated, I knew it was over. 😔 RIP

Another masterpiece from TFC 🔥👏🛩

We went to Hawaii using Air Tran (previously known as ValuJet) back in 1999 I think. On the way there, after flying for an hour it had some engine problem so it dumped most of the fuel and returned to LA. And on the way back, after we boarded the plane we had to wait for the longest time and I heard they had to call a mechanic because the engine wouldn't start.

The Flight attendant that was in that flight switched with a Guy who worked for VauleJet I knew from Boston that wanted to have Mother’s Day weekend off ( edited for clarity)

My God, those poor souls on board never even had a chance. I guess it was called ValuJet for a reason. RIP to all who perished on that plane 🙏🏻

I remember this one vividly..... it was a huge deal for obvious reasons and it got plenty of exposure in Southern California, specifically San Diego as Rodney Culver was on this flight, he was a running back for the San Diego Chargers.

I'm going from Southern Indiana to Denver later this year------in my Lexus.

This one is especially rough, because not even due to pilot incompetence or error... it literally was completely out of their hands.

Your videos are wonderfully put together. So tragic yet so informative.

Do not punish yourself....just keep his memory in your heart and remember the good times you shared with him and his family....

I remember this day so well. It was Mother's Day, and I was having my mother and a friend's mother over for a celebratory luncheon. I had the radio on, and they broke into their music selection, saying that a jet had gone down. I thought of all the people on there who were mothers, and it made me very sad for the people who lost their moms in that crash.

Years ago my Dad was flying a DC-9 when some idiot decided to smoke and set a fire in the bathroom. Thankfully he was able to land prior to a full disaster. If he landed the aircraft 5 minutes later, all would have been dead. Scary shit.

@clydelabios344

3 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me what airline that is and if you still remember the registration of the plane?

@shadowknows5750

3 жыл бұрын

@@clydelabios344 I'm trying to find out more info for you. My dad only spoke about it when I was a kid. I know it was Air Canada, my Dad was 20 so it was around 1980. I believe it happened in Montreal. I'll keep digging for info. Cheers.

@sparkplug1018

3 жыл бұрын

@@shadowknows5750 Flight 797 fits that description. Registered as C-FTLU, 2 June 1983. 23 of 41 passengers died, the captain was the last to exit the aircraft. Was enroute to Montreal and made its emergency landing in Cincinnati. Official cause is listed as an electrical fire in the aft lavatory.

Thank you for the effort you put into these videos. I’ve watched dozens of these and it seems as though no matter how sophisticated these modern aircraft are, and no matter how many systems are redundant, it usually comes down to human error. A switch not set right, the pilots getting distracted and not completing their checklists, maintenance not doing their job, etc.

Thanks brother ! This is absolutely the best channel ! Your production etc. is first class ! I will continue to watch your work ! Thanks again!

@eddyblackburn8092

3 жыл бұрын

But a sad situation. For lives loss !

Terrifying and tragic video. Amazed by the quality and editing as always. Beautiful work.

I remember when this happened. They went down in the Glades. This one really hit me hard. Such a big loss of life that could have easily been prevented. So very sad.

I remeber this well. I used to fly value jet all the time and I loved it. It was the good ole days, show them my license , and hop on board. It was that easy.

It's a shame to have this kind of accidents, when it is pretty much for the crew impossible to do something about it. Thanks for the video! Very informative as always

By far the best production quality I've seen on KZread

I've been binge watching your videos for the last two weeks; averaging about 4 videos per day. Your videos are so well-done. The only downside is that I'm now suffering from PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder).

Videos keep getting better. Amazing work

If the plane had taxi’d just a couple minutes longer, or been held up… the smoke would have been noticeable while still on the ground. Ugh.

Very tragic that the fire didn't start when the cargo was still outside the plane

@luv2fly745

3 жыл бұрын

One of the few times when a takeoff delay was desirable.

The effort you put into these videos really show. You put out some of the best aviation content on KZread. Great job!

I remember this and I found it to be extra freighting that the whole plane was completely gone in the swamp. Just a horrific way to go. I hope everyone on board was unconscious before it hit the ground.

Wow it's extremely sad that this flight was totally doomed. Smoke incapacitating the pilots, total loss of aircraft control and the fire out of control.

@shatteredshards8549

3 жыл бұрын

"Totally doomed" reminds me of the Helios 522 flight - completely different situation, and absolutely nothing could be done there, either.