Secret Service Agent Explains Psychological Tricks To Read Anyone & Spot A Liar
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Today, a secret service agent is teaching you how to read body language, master your emotions, and spot a liar.
In this one of a kind episode, agent Evy Poumpouras is unpacking proven strategies and psychological tricks to get what you want.
Evy is a former secret service agent who has protected 5 U.S presidents.
She is a “human lie detector” who has been specially trained in the art of lie detection, human behavior, and cognitive influence.
And today, she is giving you a masterclass of all of her best secrets from over 3 decades of training and experience.
Evy’s extensive and decorated career includes operating undercover, complex criminal investigations, and working as an interrogator for the Secret Service’s elite polygraph unit - and she’s here to arm you with information, tools, and strategies in this special episode.
Evy Poumporuas’s website: evypoumpouras.com
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KZread Timecodes:
00:00:00: Introduction
00:03:32: How does having confidence and reading body language change your life?
00:06:50: The biggest takeaways we can learn from presidents and foreign heads of state.
00:10:15: Do this to manage stress in a high pressure job.
00:15:11: This is how professionals detect if someone is lying.
00:19:15: How to detect someone’s baseline and when you can use this skill.
00:26:00: Does eye contact REALLY give away if someone is lying?
00:30:00: Do this to show a conversation matters to you through your body language.
00:33:20: Why it’s important to just let people be.
00:36:14: Is there anything people do with their eyes to indicate they’re lying?
00:39: 25: Do this to be more secure in yourself around other people.
00:43:00: Are there verbal cues to indicate that you aren’t being told the truth?
00:47:11: The importance of being less focused on just yourself.
00:49:37: How do you get the truth out of someone?
00:52:50: When do you know it’s time to call somebody out or back away?
00:56:45: What is paralinguistics and how does it impact how we talk to people?
00:59:00: Do this to make your voice come through to others with more authority.
01:05:49: Be clear about your own objectives before entering a difficult conversation.
01:09:45: Someone not answering you IS an answer.
01:12:27: The REAL reason we don’t trust our gut.
01:14:30: The first step to changing the negative situation you are in.
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Best start with not trusting or believing anyone. Time and observation will eventually reveal their character.
I believe EVY was chosen for the position she had in the Secret Service because of her personality was that,she wasn’t looking for power, she wasn’t trying to outshine everybody else, she didn’t want it. What better person to have it.
I love Evy. I’ve watched her on several podcasts. It seems like they all pull the same info, ask the same questions differently. I’m 24 minutes into this interview and have already learned new things from her. The magic of Mel Robbins, y’all. Looking forward to the rest of this discussion and will be saving to watch again ❤
@SummerFace
20 күн бұрын
Agree love them both 😍 so empowering 👸🏼
@elzbietapruszynska8647
15 күн бұрын
😊😊
@elzbietapruszynska8647
15 күн бұрын
😊
@PuzzleVibesAndFeathers
4 күн бұрын
How do I find Evy on other Podcasts? If it's ok to share it in Mel's comments.
My Mother was so wise. She said " you can't make people do, think, or feel what they don't want to."
@jzen1455
13 күн бұрын
Yep, You can inspire but you can't make people do what they don't want to do.
@healthsecretsofthebible.7004
13 күн бұрын
Good advice for women who are dating.
@0annonymous
5 күн бұрын
But remember though, eventually they're going to have to see the truth Another thing to remember is on Judgement day, we're all going to stand before God
I saw Evy on a Diary of a CEO. Evy is fierce. And Mel - thank you for showcasing your authenticity. I love the way I can see my favorite people from your perspective, from what inspires you.
@Thesantanders
7 күн бұрын
Yes she definitely has shown that she admires or looks up to in awe to people who appear to have strength and confidence. For me, it's not necessarily confidence that I am seeing displayed with this guest. What I see is someone who is convinced or confident in what it is that she's saying. She's confident in the information that she's providing. I wouldn't suggest reading so much into someone's personality based upon one interview.
I have adopted this mantra of “handle your shit” since in my early 20s. While it has been challenging to see it, clean it up and move on, it has propelled me through things I didn’t think otherwise I could move on from. Thank you for the reminder Evy and Mel.
@jzen1455
13 күн бұрын
I live by a similar ethos. I used to whine and moan about stupid shit while not doing much to better myself. I was doing more talking (more like indulging in self-pity) than doing. It's fine to talk about problems as they arise, but you have to take action and move on.
I observed that often we behave and act like we are on edge even if there is no reason for it... a habit of anxious mind. Confident mind looks for information not for a confirmation of itself being confident.
@skyleawood2649
14 күн бұрын
Yes. Very insightful!
I saw Evy on the Diary of a CEO, it’s a pleasure to see her here as well ❤
My dad use to say….”Get your shit together!!!!” Another way of saying “Handle your shit!!” And it worked! Happy healthy whole at 63!!!!!!
Evy is amazing…I’ve watched multiple interviews & learn something new each time!
@SherryTomlinson-mk7gm
20 күн бұрын
I’ve watched her a few times. A tough and beautiful woman. I wonder how tall she I? 5’5’ to 5’7”let me add very intelligent too.
@adgreene
20 күн бұрын
Yes - a true gift!
@catalhuyuk7
19 күн бұрын
@@SherryTomlinson-mk7gm Being Greek Evy might be short in stature but she’s a giant in character. See those stilettos she’s wearing?
@HH-gv8mx
17 күн бұрын
I need this woman to give me a makeup tutorial. For real.
@adgreene
17 күн бұрын
@@HH-gv8mx Agreed! :)
I concur. When you listen to your enemies, they tell you what their real fears are and it aint even you
When she speaks she says everything thats aligned with what i learned about energy. Her energetic boundaries are impeccable.
Really needed that pep talk on bravery & confidence! Action first. You don’t learn from winning you ultimately learn from your losses 🙏
So much truth, even just about halfway through it. Politicians do that thing where they don't answer the question but speechify for a few minutes about distantly related accomplishments they want accolades for. And I love the advice to just pull out of the relationship without announcing it and without calling out the person. No need for that drama. Just go on and be happy. You don't owe them that, and they don't owe you whatever satisfaction you would get from calling them out.
@godiva348
18 күн бұрын
Your last line is spot on!!
@HH-gv8mx
17 күн бұрын
So just ghost people?
@allaboutme2024
15 күн бұрын
I thought the same - politicians came to mind first
@nancyberger4975
12 күн бұрын
Totally agree 💯
Both Mel and Evy are incredible. Such inspirational women. Thank you!
@blessedAriesGoddess
6 күн бұрын
Agreed
There is not a minute of this interview that isn’t useful. This woman is incredible!!
I learned not to call people out. My sister on the other hand can call me out anytime and I can with her. Makes us more self-aware of our behaviors and actions. Thank goodness for sisters (close ones anyway)
I felt like I got permission to rely upon my observations, I would dismiss what I saw for what I heard. Powerful interview I got ALOT out of this thank you!
I honestly cannot say just how powerful this episode was…just WOWWWWWW!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
One of the best guests ever! This episode saved my sanity at such a critical time and got my spirit back on track! Thanks to both Mel & Evy for a life enhancing 80 min of such worthwhile information!
My husband and I love to watch Survivor. We always laugh when people say, “you can 1000% trust me.” It’s such an overcompensating statement. When you mentioned people swearing to god, or on their mother’s grave, it reminded me of that. It also felt affirming:)
Great video! I have met people who make me feel uncomfortable by yawing, while I’m talking. This to me is so rude. It makes me think… am I boring?! I quickly end the conversation. People who look away often is another sign to exit. Thanks !😄
@GlitterSparkleJacque
17 күн бұрын
I didn’t think you could help yawning. I always just say I’m sorry…
@GMRG6
17 күн бұрын
@@GlitterSparkleJacquei think it’s more about knowing the manners + respect to cover your yawn gracefully vs overtly yawning like you’re alone
Non verbal communication interpretation is more art than science.
What a phenomenal guest, I’m hooked!
Wow just came across Evy only yesterday. Amazing woman! Human behaviour and nature is so important and so much to learn! Thank you for this interview Mel.
Omg this lady is amazing, I learned so much from this session about myself and how to deal with people and myself in the process. Oh god this was so hard to hear but so true to how it resonated with me .. Thank you, I will handle my stuff.. I could hug you😢😢Thank you Mel you are such an inspiration.
I love that beautiful, bright and brazen Athena did not have to shoot anyone! Thank you for broadening the notion of what a beauty can be: divine feminine who loves so deeply she protects what she values, holding her own, now nurturing via sharing wisdom gained. bless you
This interview is packed full of solid information, but most importantly, incredibly validating. Thank you! I come from a family full of deceitful, manipulative liars to marrying into one in 1988. Enough years to know my gut has been right all along. Thank you! I will be watching this interview again to boost my confidence.
These two women are not just smart and personable, but wise. Thank you for this interview.
Thank you for sharing this conversation. I loved every bit of this. Listening to Evy's words about steadiness in behavior, speech, and emotion resonated with me deeply. We create our own path and learn every step of the way, and confidence is earned by taking the road less traveled. Remembering that you are 50% of the equation in any interaction reminds me of the saying "you attract more bees with honey instead of vinegar." Thank you both for this enlightening video.
Mel and team, I love all your podcasts. This was one, for me, was outstanding! Powerful in so many ways. Thank you!
Mel you and Evy are amazing communicators and I literally sat on the edge of my chair watching and listening and rewatching and sharing. I loved it when you said you have been watching all of Evy’s interviews “like a stalker” because I am the same. I now give her book to my friends and family for all occasions especially graduation or house warming gifts. Mel keep up the great job you are doing! ❤
@HH-gv8mx
17 күн бұрын
I need this woman to give me a makeup tutorial. For real.
@2ndwavestrength
16 күн бұрын
@@HH-gv8mx me too!
and sometimes you just don’t want to engage with the energy of the other person and thus avoiding eye contact with them. That is what I do, because there is an energy exchange looking in someones eyes and you open up energetically ….
Wow. I use all her techniques and I’ve never heard of her until now. It’s what has made me feel sane and in control when I’ve had to deal with so many unsettling situations. Staying calm, listen, observe, and believing what people show you and to accept when you’ve been beat, will just give you peace of mind in life. 💯 It doesn’t always have to be complicated but sometimes we make it so.
This podcasts was with most genuine, authentic presence from both parties! It was a pleasure watching it. Great job
Mel and Evy, thank you for this wonderful talk. A masterclass in what I expected to be a "spot-the-liar style discussion". This was the complete opposite! My favourite points were "don't make it about you" in relation to off body language. Secondly, have class when you're losing and move on, lesson applied opposed to going down the rabbit hole of beating yourself up. This is one of the best podcasts I have seen from you Mel! Keep up the great work. Many thanks to both of you ladies! 😊
First time I've heard of Evy. Wow! Fascinating podcast! Now, off now to purchase Evy's book. Thank you, Mel and Evy. 🤩
That’s so funny about referring to THE car or MY car- if they say THE car, they probably don’t like it that much. I hear men say, THE wife regularly as if she’s an inanimate object that they are indifferent to. Or is it that, until very recently wives were chattel?
After watching this I felt like it was my mother I never had guiding me to do anything that I want with my life I'm not saying my mother doesn't do that😅 I love you Mom❤.... Best video I watched today, absolutely loved it 🎉❤
Evy is aaaamaaaazing!! I thought I was really good at reading ppl but she’s taught me some things!! 💛🙏😊 She’s a treasure.
Love Evy, I'm following her for couple of years. This episode has something.... I'm beyond inspired, filled with positive energy and most important empowered. Much love from Balkan (Europe) ❤
I freakin love this woman! I found her on another podcast and listened to them back to back. I’m going to order her book as well. So much of what she’s about resonated so much with me. It’s so funny Mel said she’s speaking directly to her because I felt the exact same way! Two amazing women!
Watching Evy speak encourages me to perform in my relationships at work and in my personal life. Thank you for all of the wisdom.
Mel thank you so much for having Evy on your podcast. I have Inattentive ADHD and have similar struggles to what Mel experiences and it was nice to hear the advice she got from Evy.
I truly needed to hear this today. Thank you so much.
Great interview. I love your honesty and vulnerability, Mel, especially when you shared that Evy came to talk directly to you. It's not our gut that we need to listen to most of the time, but rather, we need to risk not being liked by the decisions we make. We don't like to go through emotional pain or discomfort, so we ignore our conclusions and hope things improve without risking disapproval. Alternatively, we seek validation of our intel from others to shift the burden onto them, avoiding responsibility. So, what should we do? Trust our conclusions. If we make a mistake, we can always apologize. Risk not being liked in the moment. We won’t die, and the relationship probably won't either. Relationships are built on conflict.
No cubilce! ❤🎉my dad was a marine in Korea and a NYCF. The last 5 yrs of his career, Rescue 4. His nickname was "the incredible bul." I still remember he would always sit with his arms crossed, the back and forth jokes, however, he was a tough SOB. Thank you for serving & sharing. 🎉
Omg this really hit home for me Mel and Evy!!..I've been so drawn to Evys interviews since l came across her. Mel your interviewing skills and questions you asked were exceptional in the understanding of ourselves, people around us and for life in general! Thankyou ever so incredibly much to the both of you for This life transforming podcast!! I'll be listening to it again taking notes and sharing it. So much gratitude and love to the both of you ❣❤❤❣
Evy is incredible, very informative girlcrush (repect) lots of training and knowedge, certain personalities ( low in neuroticism) So grateful to have access to such knowledgeable people on KZread I wish I possessed her skills and character; becoming a CIA agent would have been a dream. Thanks Mel, you’re amazing too ❤
Another amazing podcast! Thank you Mel so much and Evy you are such a bright light, keep shining🌟💖
Refreshing to see a real woman full of courage, expertise, charisma, intelligence, and above average confidence👏 Great interview 👍🥇
I could listen to this lady all day. She makes sense. ❤
Some people are shy,because growing up they were always being told off for stupid stuff. Shy people can from time to time break eye contact,like look at the wall or the floor.
This is the best episode so far, one of my most favourites.
Such a remarkable and educational interview. Immediately actionable tips. Fantastic!
Wow - I was leaned in the entire time. Life changing to "handle your shit". Life changing to move from people who don't. Thanks again Mel for another amazing podcast !!
Yay! The most powerful women in the same room together. What a way for me to wake up❤❤❤❤ you two are the 2 women who I respect the most
Incredible conversation.... helped me self reflect to see where I am also out of congruence in my own life- and how I can live more authentically and lean into trusting myself more. Thank you xo 💜
WOW, Mel what a great podcast! you both were....amazing. I will download this and take it on my walk as I look for heart leaves thank you!
This is so helpful. Thank you, Mel and Evy.🙏🏽✨🎁
Mel, Mel, Mel! Thank you in so many ways for you being you! Thank you, Evy, for sharing your knowledge and expertise. Now to be brave enough! Is this the sign of our times? Those that we may never actually meet are the most important to our well-being?
So much wisdom ❤Great podcast
I can keep eye contact,but if a person is looking me an intense way sometimes it activates my shyness,depending on the person they are.
Very powerful! Thank you both for this helpful and inspiring information.
this will brilliant! And Mel I have to say I love your little giggle when Evy drops the f-bomb
I LOVE EVY, I'm reading her book becoming bulletproof right now.
Mel-thanks for another amazing guest. I love everything about her. So intelligent and so inspirational. Off to get this book!!
I can’t express how much I wished for this collaboration to happen 😍💪
Thank you Mel, I always learn something from you and the people you interview!
More people need to hear this! Doing creates bravery and not the overway around.
OMG... I so felt the actions vs. words. I had this situation on a trip with someone and it was very painful to go through.
Love this interview 💁🏻♀️; keep bringing these great professionals to the show Mel🙏😉
Wow and wow!! I was riveted to this podcast from beginning to end. Evy is great. Mel, you're great. This helped me tremendously and I'm glad I listened to what you had to say at the end. I will share this with others!
This is spot on! I’m sharing it with my whole tribe!!
Great episode; this was really fascinating!
Got it. All business and no warmth, intimidation, no bueno. Alternately, all warmth and little business, doormat, also no bueno. Piece of cake.
I need this as I have been in an abusive marriage … should have done this many years ago! Thank you both!
I love you, Mel! This is the best Evy the Great interview I've ever watched!💕💕
This is the 1st time I’ve seen her & all I can think is, “She is so beautiful!!” If she was interrogating me I would have to get some beauty tips.❤
wow! incredible interview so much clarity...🤯🤯🤯 thank you ladies!
So amazing episode, thank you!❤
Such a good episode. Thank you both!
This is awesome, Evy is fantastic!! I love learning about this stuff!! Jan Hargrave is another amazing body language expert. I have to do a search to see if you have interviewed her in the past.
Excellent interview. It connects well to attachment theory. Having a secure attachment style supports Evy’s advice about having relationships with others.
This is amazing & helpful in so many ways.
Love Evy, seen her on several shows and eventually bought her book. If you have serious life experience, good instincts and antennas, able to read the room, guts and disipline I guess a lot of what she describes would be applicable to complete a good foundation to master your surroundings. On top of that obviously comes brilliant training.
Thank you for an amazing interview! Evy is amazing! ❤️
Yes! needed this, Thank you Mel and Evy - As women, OWN OUR VOICES - OWN OUR SHIT & TRUST OURSELVES ~ Namaste
Amazing. I love learning from Evy! ❤❤❤ Great insight. Glad to see, I'm doing ok. 😊
20:15 Gut instinct, being able to read a room and non-verbal cues/micro expressions in the first 10-20 seconds is a great predictor of overall behavior & mannerisms. I love Evy's advice on: feel the energy in the room, pay attention and don't call a person out just read the cues.
I finished reading her book, Becoming Bulletproof yesterday, it’s a pretty good book 📕 👍🏻
I love listening to her, that clear confidence is very attractive.
I love Evy! I get lost in listening to her interviews. Very powerful!
Love and hugs to you Mel and Eva! Thanks a million ladies!
Amazing! I will be watching this one more time than once!! Thank you! 🤍💯
Loved every moment of this interview. Evy is Amazing 🎉
I LOVE Evy and rly look up to her. Ty for having her on!
With eye contact I do not look much into peoples' eyes when I talk to them, only kids, because of my upbringing, I start analysing facial expressions and their eyes. Do they look bored, what do they think about me or what I am saying etc. So I agree that reading people is often simplified
Amazing. Thank you!!!
This is so true. I kinda got this feeling that my dad was not being honest about losing his life savings and having multiple loans which he cannot oay off now, our house is mortgaged now btw. He truly behaves the way you said a lying person does: the fleeing stance, evasion of the question and voice raising! So just more confirmation for me. Now what?