Scott McGill Outside Pentatonic Jazz for Guitar-John Coltrane McCoy Tyner Concepts

In this short mini session I demonstrate some of the Outside Pentatonic techniques of the great jazz innovators John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner and how we can adapt them to the guitar effectively. I apply these techniques to the Pentatonic Scale Positions that we already know on the instrument so that they are easily applied and assimilated into our playing. I utilize a few important concepts that were used by Coltrane on "Pursuance" and Tyner on "Passion Dance" among many others.
I was a student of ten years of Jazz Theorist/Pedagogue Dennis Sandole, teacher of John Coltrane, James Moody, Jim Hall, Pat Martino, and many other important jazz musicians. I have recorded and played with musicians such as Michael Manring, Percy Jones, and Jordan Rudess, and producers Neil Kernon and David Torn.

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  • @michaelchild3824
    @michaelchild382428 күн бұрын

    Fantastic! Thank you, thank you! Have heard this sound forever in the music I listen to, but I've never heard the concept behind it broken down so clearly. Big new vista in my development. Exciting. You'e THE man!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    28 күн бұрын

    Thank you Michael and I am glad you found that of interest. Go for it and much more to come. Let's stay in touch!

  • @hermancharlesserrano1489
    @hermancharlesserrano14893 ай бұрын

    I was getting a nice McLaughlin vibe…top notch lesson!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you and I cannot hide it--well spotted!!

  • @plectrumsoul
    @plectrumsoul11 күн бұрын

    One of the common devices for substitutions over a dominant chord in jazz is to use the harmonic minor scale, 1/2 step above the chord over which you’re improvising, so supposing the chord was A7. You would use B-flat minor, again, because of the common tone of C# or D-flat, so the Fifth of B flat becomes the raised fifth of A, and the Bb itself becomes the flat ninth❤

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    11 күн бұрын

    Well stated!

  • @walterschock1270
    @walterschock1270Ай бұрын

    Your clip regarding pentatonics has given me a tottaly new perspectice for me- very useful - often I have a hard time understanding - A big big BIG thank you, from me!!!!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Ай бұрын

    Walter, I am glad you found it of interest and found it helpful--many thanks and let's stay in touch!

  • @tr3ndkiller
    @tr3ndkillerАй бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Ай бұрын

    My thanks Nikolay!!!

  • @biffstronghold3926
    @biffstronghold3926Ай бұрын

    Great lesson, very well explained. Once you get into it you can really identify the sound of it being used in certain tunes.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you and yes you are right on. It is an identifiable sound the great have used. Many thanks!

  • @giorgioserci8387
    @giorgioserci83872 жыл бұрын

    Maestro!!! Excellent lesson as always...

  • @mysticmoose
    @mysticmooseАй бұрын

    This is so wild

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Ай бұрын

    TY MysticMoose!!!!

  • @steveburchfield5576
    @steveburchfield55764 жыл бұрын

    VERY USEFUL INFORMATION!!! THANKS SCOTT!!! PLEASE CONTINUE!!

  • @scottmcgill559

    @scottmcgill559

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you--very kind!

  • @mintakaa6836
    @mintakaa68364 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing! I look forward to exploring this further!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    4 ай бұрын

    TY very much Mintakaa and I am glad you find the material of interest. Much more to come!

  • @jcshirke
    @jcshirke7 жыл бұрын

    Terrific. Thank you.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate it JC and lets keep in touch. Scott

  • @JerryCherryBand
    @JerryCherryBand3 жыл бұрын

    I didn't know this trick. Awesome. Thank you. Great lesson.

  • @scottmcgill559

    @scottmcgill559

    3 жыл бұрын

    TY!!!

  • @DavidePepi
    @DavidePepi4 жыл бұрын

    Great lesson!! You are an awesome teacher man! You deserve way more subscribers!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Davide!!

  • @mikeyo3230
    @mikeyo32306 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. This is awesome.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad u find it useful!!

  • @R_Thomp
    @R_Thomp5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent lesson, thank you for sharing, love that sound!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Ronald!!!

  • @R_Thomp

    @R_Thomp

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mtstyre7768 You're welcome!

  • @laf630
    @laf6308 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic Scott.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much. Just "tasters" for the Skype sessions

  • @wobamusic
    @wobamusic5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Scott, recently I stumbled into one of your vids. This one opens now many doors for me. Thanx for shearing your knowledge and your sympathic personality... Kind regards from Germany

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate it Wolfgang!!!

  • @wobamusic

    @wobamusic

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mtstyre7768 Hey Scott, thanks for your quick response ;-)) Do you use this concept mostly over modal situations or also in other changes (ii v i or Blues progressions e.g.) stay fit and kind regards

  • @michaelsolomon6594
    @michaelsolomon65944 ай бұрын

    So dope!!! 🔥

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    4 ай бұрын

    TY Michael and I am glad you found it of benefit and interest

  • @alamooji3716
    @alamooji37164 жыл бұрын

    Broooo!!! Oh my gosh thank you!!!! Thank you! Brooo THANK YOU!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad u like it Ala!!

  • @petepachio
    @petepachio8 жыл бұрын

    Love it Scott

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Pete!

  • @ChuloDavidcito
    @ChuloDavidcito7 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting ideas, thanks! Some daunting chops you have, too! It reminds me of hearing John McLaughlin warm up for a show once. Absolutely frightening! :)

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much Chulo and I am glad you enjoyed it.

  • @hexacorde
    @hexacorde6 жыл бұрын

    Great lesson. The sound reminds me a lot of the acoustic work Gambale did on some of the early Elektric Band albums.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks hexacorde!

  • @sumithramachandranwatchyou5045
    @sumithramachandranwatchyou50454 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    TY Sumith!

  • @LorenzoTosetti
    @LorenzoTosetti5 жыл бұрын

    Hi, thanks Scott, very nice and useful lesson!! I think that under this kind of "outside" technique, that is based on shifting from the minor pentatonic to the major pentatonic an half step below, there's the so called "modal interchange" from major to minor tonality. This is only my opinion. In fact if you harmonize for example C major scale and compare the diatonic chords to the relative chords of the corresponding minor scale, C minor scale, well, you find out that on 2 degrees of the scale you've a minor seventh chord in the major key that has a corresponding major seventh chord in the minor scale, but an half step below. C major7 goes to C -7, F major7 4th degree goes to F-7, instead at the sixth degree, eolian, A minor7 goes to Abmajor7. Also on the third degree, the prygian mode, we find an E-7 in the major key that goes towards an Ebmajor7 in the minor key. So you're applying pentatonics to this chords shifting from the major tonality to the relative minor and viceversa, alterning and mixing major with minor. This is maybe the reason that makes sound so nice this kind of movement, even if as you say, you don't have many tones in common between the 2 pentatonics! But our ear feels that there's a link, and major to minor and minor to major is a very powerful movement, it always works!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great Lorenzo!!

  • @nosebone2861
    @nosebone28617 жыл бұрын

    Very good teacher!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate is very much. Let's keep in touch.

  • @ervinkovacs
    @ervinkovacs Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Scott! Thank you :)

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    6 ай бұрын

    TY Ervin!!!!

  • @TimMirth
    @TimMirth6 жыл бұрын

    Great lesson. Particularly the phrasing you've worked on. Cheers

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tim--all phrasing stolen from McCoy Tyner

  • @edwinmclean6775
    @edwinmclean67756 жыл бұрын

    I know mr. Scott McGill and I've always been a fan of him

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    My man!!

  • @marceli155
    @marceli1552 жыл бұрын

    Thanks !

  • @scottmcgill559

    @scottmcgill559

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @marceli155
    @marceli1552 жыл бұрын

    super I like that man !

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Жыл бұрын

    TY!!

  • @steelplayer811
    @steelplayer8114 жыл бұрын

    Scott, You are a fine teacher. May I suggest that you slow your playing down. Listen to Italian pop music from the 60's and incorporate those melodies and orchestrations into your playing for balance ,richness and added beauty.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Michael!

  • @sidneyrichard5319
    @sidneyrichard53197 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much fot that! L&S mate. Plus several years of work ahead because that is a sound I covet. Score!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Sydney and I am glad it is of use to you.

  • @Gregorypeckory

    @Gregorypeckory

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@mtstyre7768 Fantastic source of knowledge and inspiration like all your lessons Scott; beautiful ideas!

  • @sidneyrichard5319
    @sidneyrichard53197 жыл бұрын

    PS I think I also know why I like Hippityville by John Abercrombie and the basic change is just Em to Cm. Dorian and Jazz Minor modes work really nicely on the changes. It's a lot of fun.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Excellent!!!

  • @deparko
    @deparko Жыл бұрын

    Oh My God! My life is finally fulfilled. Something I've been searching for the longest time. I've been working on side stepping..etc but this makes a lot of sense!. totally agree with you observations, seamless side stepping..Thank you so much

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Жыл бұрын

    TY and I am glad you found this useful

  • @shredder9819
    @shredder98197 жыл бұрын

    These lessons are brilliant! I only live down the road in Portsmouth - would love to grab a lesson from you at some point if you're about?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks. Sounds great and we are in Hove or I do Skype too. Write me at www.scottmcgillguitar.com and let's make a plan to work together.

  • @plectrumsoul
    @plectrumsoul11 күн бұрын

    Perhaps a link to Coltrane etc using this idea?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    10 күн бұрын

    Yes and the Harmonic Minor with a raised 4th as well for that use.

  • @zile20584
    @zile205847 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation, thank you for that. Regarding to this, as you explained if I could play, for example Fm pentatonic (G# major pentatonic) over A7, I wonder could I play Bb mixolydian over A7 in the same manner in order to create that outside sound?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    That's a good point Zile and the Fminor Pentatonic scale would resolve nicely to D Maj 7th as a dominant substitute as F# minor Pent. goes with D Maj7. Sort of like implying DbMaj7 going to D Maj 7.

  • @zile20584

    @zile20584

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the answer. Bb mixolydian/G# Phrygian actually have the same notes of Fm pentatonic and some of the Am pentatonic notes, and that's why I assumed that Bb mixolydian could be played over A Maj7 and create the same effect as you explained in the video.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    yes--very related--F min 7 as related to Bb7--excellent connection!!!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes indeed--especially if you play the ideas in sections--the Bb Mixolydian, as all other modes, have three pentatonic scales imbedded in them so those would be interesting to experiment with as well for your Major Chord. (Fm, Gm, Cm). Fm and Gm resolve by semitone to F#m over the D Maj resolution and Cm could go down by semitone to Bm. Very intersting and good one Zile.

  • @elkeism
    @elkeism3 ай бұрын

    (subbed) Regarding Maj outside, I got lost at Gb^7. What's the accompanied pentatonic, Gmin?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this. Actually, I used the A Major/F# Minor Pentatonic as before just using the Bb Minor as a sound over the Gb Maj7--I kept the "outside" pentatonic the same but just played it all over Gb Major7 as Bb Minor sounds well over it in general. I hope that helps! Wherever Bb Minor Pentatonic works use the same scheme.

  • @stilldreamin57
    @stilldreamin57Ай бұрын

    It does sound great when you play it at a reasonable tempo, but all this lightening fast picking? I can only take a few seconds of that before I just tune out. Just sayin'. But I am definitely looking forward to tryout out this Bbminor to AMajor fusion. Thank you, I subscribed and gave a thumbs up!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you Robert and duly noted. I think I get a bit too excited about this stuff at times. Please let me know how this works out for you and let's stay in touch. Much more to come.

  • @philipv4397
    @philipv43977 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the videos! Really enjoy 'em! I didn't quite catch the ending of this video? I get that you can play outside over a minor chord by playing the major pentatonic a half step below, but in the end you are talking about how you approach this when a major chord is being played? You say something about the fifth? :)

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Oh yes good question Philip. I merely made the Bb min Pentatonic Scheme to Gb Major 7th so I included the A Major as well as the outside element. I just glued the whole thing to Gb Major.

  • @philipv4397

    @philipv4397

    7 жыл бұрын

    Alright thanks for the answer :) I would love to see another video like this one with tips to play "outside" :)

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Phillip and hopefully more to come soon.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Phillip--coming soon!

  • @pichipachu
    @pichipachu2 ай бұрын

    damn!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much!!!!

  • @TheTwangKings
    @TheTwangKings Жыл бұрын

    Hi, very interesting discussion! Can you answer a question please... are both Bbm and Amaj Pentatonic played over Bbm7 chord?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Жыл бұрын

    TY. Yes, that is it.

  • @adampasztor6187
    @adampasztor61874 жыл бұрын

    Hey Scott, Does this work with a one chord funk groove in am7, if I improvise with an "a" minor pentatonic and a-flat (g sharp) major pentatonic scales?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thats it Adam!!

  • @adampasztor6187

    @adampasztor6187

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mtstyre7768 Thank you! very useful (thumbs up)!

  • @tribalgenes
    @tribalgenes2 жыл бұрын

    Nice lesson. This could also be expressed as minor pentatonics a major 3rd apart. By extension you could play all minor pentatonics off an augmented triad root motion. It sounds cool because it's somewhat like giant steps symmetrical harmony which is equal subdivision of the octave in major 3rds. In the example here, I would prefer to a compare two scales of the same type minor pentatonic of say Gb and Bb only because it stays all in flats.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    Жыл бұрын

    Very nice Bill!!!

  • @michaeldumas4907
    @michaeldumas49078 жыл бұрын

    would this work on "so what" dm to db? or "impressions"

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    8 жыл бұрын

    Yes indeed Michael and it sounds like a string pull back to the chord it substitutes for.

  • @jurdevries7393
    @jurdevries73937 жыл бұрын

    Great lesson, thanks a lot! I was looking for this. Btw im also quite blown away by your seemingly effortless picking on these two note per string runs. Do you have any tips for practising this this technique wise? Blessings from Amsterdam!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hello Jur, thank you for the kind words and I am glad you found this material useful. Good question and I would say try starting with an upstroke as sometimes that can help. Also, see if you can employ a consecutive pickstroke when you execute those runs. I hope that helps and please keep in touch Jur!!! Best Regards from the U.K., Scott.

  • @jurdevries7393

    @jurdevries7393

    7 жыл бұрын

    that makes sense, thanks :) ! Have a good day, and if youre ever in Amsterdam and looking for a place to jam, eat or sleep, let me know!

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Jur and much appreciated. We were there a few years back in The Hague and Amsterdam for a great Fretless Guitar Festival so lets meet if we get back. Best!!! Scott

  • @beeastman1235
    @beeastman12357 жыл бұрын

    I wanna add outside playing to my blues rock like Scott Henderson does on his live trio album he plays over pretty static type grooves but sounds like he's implying 'other' chords

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes and that is excellent. These concepts are drawn from Coltrane and Tyner's work so they are perfectly applicable to the type of situation you mentioned.

  • @beeastman1235
    @beeastman12357 жыл бұрын

    Is A major pentatonic same as A major scale?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    The Major Pentatonic Scale is the Root, 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th degrees of the Major Scale. An A Major Pentatonic Scale is A, B C# E F#--the same tones as an F# Minor Pentatonic Scale.

  • @herbertespiritu2644
    @herbertespiritu26447 жыл бұрын

    😀😀😀😀😀

  • @scottmcgill559

    @scottmcgill559

    2 жыл бұрын

    TY Herbert!!

  • @contarnelson8469
    @contarnelson84693 ай бұрын

    почему гитара не подключена!?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 ай бұрын

    It actually was--had to use a low volume in the house.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    3 ай бұрын

    На самом деле так оно и было. Мне пришлось использовать в доме небольшую громкость.

  • @rouschno1
    @rouschno17 жыл бұрын

    where are you located?

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hello Rouschno1, I am an American in the U.K.. Brighton/Hove.

  • @rouschno1

    @rouschno1

    7 жыл бұрын

    Damn, that blows goats!! If you were in the States on the east coast I was going to see about buying a 6 to 8 hour block. I love what you are doing. I guess it will have to be Skype.

  • @rouschno1

    @rouschno1

    7 жыл бұрын

    Do you have any available slots and how many hours ahead are you? I am in Ohio so I am in the eastern time zone. Thanks.

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    I do and thank you for the inquiry. It would be great to work with you and EST is fine. Please write me and we will secure a time. I am five hours ahead and work with many in the US in different time zones. smcgillguitar@yahoo.com

  • @mtstyre7768

    @mtstyre7768

    7 жыл бұрын

    I do have availability Rouschno. Please write me on Facebook and we can discuss. It would be a pleasure to work with you. facebook.com/scott.mcgill.90

  • @Guitarramistica
    @Guitarramistica3 жыл бұрын

    I could barely hear each note especially since he plays it so fast, Maybe amplify a little that guitar?

  • @scottmcgill559

    @scottmcgill559

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes--too quiet--my neighbours were tough