I'd like to report Humza Yousaf for his speech where he said there are too many white people in Scotland, by this law he committed a hate crime in parliament.

@hcm444

29 күн бұрын

I agree. He is racist and should be prosecuted under his own law.

@darkcymruchannel5683

25 күн бұрын

he wont be arrested because he is the first minister unless prime minister orders it so effectivly he is above the law (for now)

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Someone called him a racist for that speech, and was then arrested for it on the premise that they were being racist towards Humza.

@hcm444

25 күн бұрын

@@npcknuckles5887 Really??? Surely not, although it wouldn't surprise me.

@scribble3478

25 күн бұрын

Imagine saying there's too much Asians in China.😂

If you can’t define it with a great deal of precision, how can you enforce it equally and rationally?

@andybrice2711

Ай бұрын

That's the point. You get to enforce it on a whim.

@reheyesd8666

Ай бұрын

The whole point is to use it to target white people who are against their replacement.

@cbasdf6423

Ай бұрын

That's literally the whole point. Welcome to a two tier justice system.

@jamal22958

Ай бұрын

They will target you if your are against genocide. Because it will be deemed anti semitic to be against genocide. Zios rule the UK parliament

@RandomGuy-lu1en

Ай бұрын

ahhh the rightwingers starting to cry 😆

breaking news Scotland arrests the entire UK government under new hate crime act

@FoundationRingsTwice

Ай бұрын

Scotland arrests the entire English population under new hate crime act

@monarchist1838

Ай бұрын

Humza Will firstly have to order his own arrest for discrimination against 96% of Scots due to the colour of their skin.

@nothereandthereanywhere

Ай бұрын

That is a good one :D

@rogink

Ай бұрын

Further breaking news. Scottish government arrests itself for breaking hate crime law!

@jackmarshall2496

Ай бұрын

I as a reasonable person feel threatened by this legislation, the MPs that drafted it should be arrested

If the police don't understand the provisions of the Act, then what chance do the public have?

@gtrdxz

29 күн бұрын

Thats the point, this isnt for limiting hate, its for limiting public opinion and outcry. Look at the immigration crisis.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

The arbitrariness and capriciousness of the act is intentional, to give politicians, bureaucrats and activists infinite flexibility to crack down on anyone (particularly their political opponents).

@davidsmith8728

25 күн бұрын

@@npcknuckles5887 I think the best thing for the police is to investigate these complaints, gather any evidence and then put the matter before the courts. The police are not judge & jury and this will allow them to avoid being dragged into what is a political issue.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

@@davidsmith8728 No, it shouldn't even be treated as a crime, nor should people be subjected to the court system to have to stand up for their own natural rights. The only thing that should happen is that this legislation be struck out completely.

@IainFrame

25 күн бұрын

They're not exactly the brightest folk. Look at the copious well-publicised incidents over the last year where police have arrested people who didn''t break the law.

Private conversations are not exempt? What sort of fascism is this? I say things in private conversation with my friends (off-colour jokes etc) all the time that I would never say in public. Is the Scottish government asking citizens to report things said in private conversations? How else would they know what was said? This is garbage and needs to be challenged in the courts and done away with

@rjjcms1

25 күн бұрын

It's the Stasi-fication of Scotland.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

This is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the fascism that exists in the West. Western governments violate our natural rights every single day in countless different ways.

@alankynoch2594

24 күн бұрын

I would love to have asked Humza Yousaf how many white Scots there were in the Pakistani government. That speech of his was one of the most overt racist rants I've ever heard. Including some the rhetoric in South Africa.

@scarba

24 күн бұрын

Teenagers reporting their parents

@Orei13

24 күн бұрын

Try not being trash?

SNP currently doing the self-destruction speedrun any %

@thatgreypain

Ай бұрын

Not as much as the Tories, they hold the record without competition.

@useodyseeorbitchute9450

Ай бұрын

@@thatgreypain You are right, competition appears fierce in this race...

@isabelstokes4042

Ай бұрын

Good!

@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957

Ай бұрын

this is an absolutely brilliant opportunity for labour - it'll be good for their optics across the rest of the UK too

@frederickbarbarossa7961

Ай бұрын

@@thatgreypainZERO SEATS! ZERO SEATS!

They're going to pick and choose when to enforce this law. It isn't about protecting people. It's about domination.

@marcom9103

Ай бұрын

They'll use it to persecute group that aren't fashionable on the woke intersectionality hierarchy

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Power hungry tyrants only pretend to care about protecting people. The actual goal is raw power; the ability to dominate one's fellow man.

@goodlookinouthomie1757

24 күн бұрын

Well their ideas are usually pretty stupid and dangerous... and the public rightfully push back on them. So rather than finding better ideas, it's much more expedient to try and shut the public up. Absolute cockroaches in positions of government and the public are rapidly finding nothing but contempt for _all_ of them. Regardless which party - because from where I'm standing they all look like the same party.

@stephenholmes1036

24 күн бұрын

Correct aka Stasi, NKVD, Gestapo and Kampei Tai

@Armera

24 күн бұрын

Y’all have such a persecution complex it’s kinda crazy

What a mess of a law.

@Blondul11

Ай бұрын

In their promotion video they say something along the line "you may commit a hate crime unintentionally"... that's beyond ridiculous.

@hanthony624

Ай бұрын

Worth it just to piss off transphobes

@abcxyz2927

Ай бұрын

Yup and when the SNP lose at the General election they can point to this law as the reason why..

@jackmarshall2496

Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more, pure dystopian authoritarianism. Scottish MPs really need to read 1984. Freedom of speech doesn't exist in scotland.

@otakuofmine

Ай бұрын

@@Blondul11 that happens when you dont know better or are not aware. of course this happens. if you believe otherwise, you might need to work in yourself..

I hate it when a law references a "reasonable person". If there are such people, they must be very uncommon, since I have never met a reasonable person.

@ManGoatHamburger

Ай бұрын

Also “reasonable” force - who is “reasonable” when their person, family or property are under threat?

@morganylong5555

Ай бұрын

The reasonable person standard is at the very heart of the justice system in England and Wales and Scotland too. It would be difficult to unpick the tradition as it touches such a wide range of legal principles

@supertrooper6011

Ай бұрын

Being reasonable is a hate crime... please keep up. Hamza, it seems to me that since 98% of Scotland is white, a representative parliament might display a similar demographic. And perhaps if we artificially pull our leaders from 2% of the population we are unlikely to get the best people for the job. Hate crime... lock him up

@nathanl4083

Ай бұрын

It just means that the higher court can use their experience to judge if something is reasonable and the lower courts use these decisions as case law. It doesn't mean you have to find a person that is reasonable and ask them what they think

@TheGerkuman

Ай бұрын

It's been around for so long though, and in so many laws. For example, if you are a juror in jury trial for a fraud case, you have to decide whether or not the person accused of the fraud was intending dishonesty, and that is based upon the whole 'reasonable person' thing. Fraud is such a wide-ranging and complicated subject that there would be no way to accurately define whether something was intentional or not for every case. So they have to rely on the jury. That's logical.

criticizing politicians is now a hate crime

@JonoPS

Ай бұрын

So, is hate okay or not? That's my genuine question of the day. Some people seem to be using examples of this as a reason to an asshole.

@richard-gn3es

Ай бұрын

@@JonoPS yes hate is OK. I hate stepping on Legos.. I hate the tory party.. I hate allot of things. Same as any human. You cannot use intolerance towards speech to make society tolerant. Same as using violence to achieve peace never works..

@JonoPS

Ай бұрын

@@richard-gn3es You didn't answer my question. Is it okay to be racist? Is it okay to hate on others? Of course it's not!

@JonoPS

Ай бұрын

@@richard-gn3es If you need KZread to give you a guide on being a good human being, I honestly feel sorry for you.

@erwinfa35lightningii9

Ай бұрын

@@JonoPS 52% of all violent crime in the us of a is committed by blacks

Nothing at all can go wrong with the police being told to enforce a law they have no idea how to enforce.. Right?

@markhorton8578

29 күн бұрын

The way it is written it appears that the "victim" decides if the law has been broken. They then tell the police.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Police didn't know how to enforce covid restrictions, but enforced them anyway, to the detriment of us all.

@0816M3RC

24 күн бұрын

​@@markhorton8578 And the police shrug and ignore it.

@The_asexual_masochist

24 күн бұрын

They’re not just gonna go around ignoring every other law in order to try and find hate speech, they’ll deal with reports of this crime and if any damages are found they’ll deal with it

@Trainrhys

22 күн бұрын

@@markhorton8578I’m a victim to a hate crime as humza said free speech should be illegal and I want free speech

Hate is an emotion... It's got no place in a law. Common law already covers threats and violent actions.

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

“I hate porridge!” “You’ve offended the feelings of those that experience a spiritual journey in porridge.”

@richard-gn3es

Ай бұрын

@@danporath536 careful Mr Kelloggs is getting rather upset

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

@@richard-gn3es Nah, he’s just a flake!

@richard-gn3es

Ай бұрын

@@danporath536 I hear he is.. Things get tough and he just says "cheerio"

@paulwally9007

Ай бұрын

@@danporath536 Porridge can be criticised. Just don't mention Coco Pops.

The problem with the hate crime act is because it’s so poorly defined it basically gives the police and Scottish government carte Blanche to decide if something counts as a hate crime regardless of the protections in the bill, and makes any prosecution or defence based on the bill a complete coin toss which is going to make enforcement nearly impossible.

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

The law does not remotely say that. That would contravene UK and EU law.

@YourAverageSheep

Ай бұрын

@@julianshepherd2038 There was a woman in Liverpool who was arrested and found guilty of a hate crime for posting the lyrics to her recently-passed-away friend's favourite song because they happened to include a no-r version of the N-word. Do you think that constitutes intent to cause offense? As the original comment said by keeping these things vague they can be applied basically whenever there is any form of nuance which is very dangerous.

@bobbailey7024

Ай бұрын

​@@julianshepherd2038 EU law? WTF has the EU not to do with it?

@jeelianbb6405

Ай бұрын

if you're not racist you have nothing to fear!

@inatinybox7210

Ай бұрын

@@YourAverageSheepthat case is irrelevant

Will Humza then be held responsible due to his rant against Scots of the majority demographic holding top government jobs? Or is that acceptable?

@jamescook2760

Ай бұрын

ofc he won't as we all know the snats are above the law

@pikapi6993

29 күн бұрын

depends on the self respect of the scots in these jobs. they might be brainwashed allies

@Dragonaut111

27 күн бұрын

No, you can be openly racist if you're not white, that's the clown country we have decided to turn into, the same country that's failing in most metrics compared to others.

@BrokenSmokes

25 күн бұрын

Exactly! You could literally replace the word "white" with any other race in any of his sentences and it would be considered racism... Also 95.4% of Scotland's population report as white, so there would be inequality if around 95.4% of the top jobs weren't held by white people

@fukyoutubestupidfuckinghandles

24 күн бұрын

Stating the fact that non-whites are underrepresented in positions of authority isn't anti-white

"People are allowed to express antipathy, dislike, ridicule or insult towards religion, or religious beliefs" - yeah, we all know which religion that doesn't apply to.

@blueheelercultist

Ай бұрын

I think it's "what's the only religion that *does* apply to?"

@kubadzejkob332

Ай бұрын

For real, it's like the craziest thing I saw about this bill.

@ludicrousreality0

29 күн бұрын

JUICE

@ProfessorChocolateCake

29 күн бұрын

2:04

@Ghayme-changer

25 күн бұрын

I dislike Islam. I think it's ridiculous, and people who believe in it are ridiculous. And Judaism. Utterly ridiculous, with hundreds of the silly rituals and nonsense rules.

Private conversations not being protected is CRAZY

@otakuofmine

Ай бұрын

so you want to harass and insult people based on those characteristics in private? got ya

@thelusogerman3021

Ай бұрын

@@otakuofmine so you want to set a precedent for government to scrutinize your private conversations? Got ya. Not dangerous at all

@jvanek8512

Ай бұрын

@@otakuofminethat's free speech. Crazy how you can't understand how wrong that is. Is insulting people wrong? Sure, but it doesn't warrant police raids and prison. I left out harassment because that's not protected under free speech even in the United States.

@lachlanchester8142

Ай бұрын

@@otakuofmineI’ve got a great book suggestion for you it’s called ‘1984’ by George Orwell

@user-hl1ex6py8l

Ай бұрын

@@otakuofmine How can you harass someone if they are not in the room? AND YES I DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO INSULT PEOPLE IN PRIVATE you fascist twot.

Scotland used to be a tough old place... where tough, stoic people were built. Now it's a nanny state... run by a bunch of anxiety filled neurotics.

@nUmBskulLL

24 күн бұрын

To be fair that was always true. The good thing about tough stoic people is that they tend not to give a fuck what the nanny state tells them to do

@blindbrad4719

23 күн бұрын

Still is, it's just also filled with manyn alcoholic drug addict. if governments had kept up with investments and better management, the problem might not be so bad now 🤷🏻

It should be clear that this new act is deliberately made as vague as possible, so people will eventually start to self-censor or keep their mouths shut altogether out of fear for prosecution, especially if they're not even safe anymore in their own homes.

@MadeTheSame

Ай бұрын

Add to that the indoctrination happening in schools. You end up being afraid that your children will report you.

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

Yes comrade, your children will turn you in.

@Nobleheart111

Ай бұрын

Hate Thought is now a crime, yes.@@danporath536

@glowmentor

Ай бұрын

Totally!

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Vague laws are a recipe for tyranny.

5:39 Forcing tolerance on people with laws like this never works, it will just end up making people less tolerant as people will end up cementing their positions as a counter to what they see as the government telling them what to think.

@louishardiman7749

Ай бұрын

Never a truer word spoken. If you deal with people in any capacity you understand that there are people who resist more based on how much pressure they perceive they are under. Ignoring this dynamic is deeply impractical and wholly ineffective.

@Sage3356

Ай бұрын

Then be ready to pay a hefty fine 😁

@MrHws5mp

Ай бұрын

It also works against integration, because certain populations who perceive themselves to be at risk of malicious prosecution using this law when interacting with certain other populations, will choose to protect themselves by simply not interacting. We're already seeing how making talking to women dangerous for men is destroying the dating scene: well watch what happens when we make talking to people of a different skin colour, or religion, or sexuality dangerous too.

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

Uk law has been like this for race since 1986. It works fine.

@marsrockfromspace5750

Ай бұрын

in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. -Karl Popper

And I thought Canada was bad with this, what a dreadful group of people in the Scottish parliament

@SaintGerbilUK

Ай бұрын

It's bad for sure but at least they aren't considering "prescribing" maid for homeless people.

@ma-li3935

Ай бұрын

apparently run by a Muslim, so no one can resist or speak out about Islam insidious pervasion

"Why is the SNP polling so poorly" it's a mystery, some unknown we can't comprehend

@terrenceroll3848

29 күн бұрын

picking the "scotland is too scottish" islamist man as its leader might have something to do with it

@lennydale92

27 күн бұрын

I bet The Scots will vote them back into power again.

@ass640

25 күн бұрын

I've been a very staunch supporter of them. That's changed. It's amazing because at one point I literally said I don't care how bad they govern the country as long as they continue to support independence... I no longer want independence from England, I want independence from the SNP. We'll deal with national independence another decade... I just want my fucking freedom of expression back.

@kityhawk2000

24 күн бұрын

​@@ass640seems to me like the SNP are getting high on their own supply and are using the cause of independence as a shield to pass laws that the majority of the population do not want. I think this will come back to bite them in the election and they could lose seats to Alba and Labour.

@blindbrad4719

23 күн бұрын

Because the average citizens are poorly educated when it comes to comprehending things you know easily manipulated emotional idiots 🤷🏻 see, it's not too hard to express yourself without inciting hatred whilst telling the truth

This is authoritarian in every way. Let’s be honest, society’s biggest problems right now is not hate, you’re never going to remove it. The laws already in place were sufficient. You still can’t go around making derogatory comments about any protected groups before this. All this does is regress free speech and that’s what’s intended. I live in Scotland and have not heard of anyone being in favour of this law which brings democracy as a whole into question. It’s just SNP and Humza that are, who treat the police as their own personal security. The laws are purposely vague so that if you make criticism comments regarding Humza for example, he can complain and claim racism (something he’s already done several times). Is Humza’s famous “white” speech mean he’s at risk of arrest? There’s also the matter of the amount of stress this puts on the police as well. When you have to clarify that actors and comedians should be safe, you know we’ve really regressed and our speech is at severe risk. It’s actually had a different effect introducing this law, it’s caused unhappiness, concern and increased criticism and hate.

@PiotrKuczaj

Ай бұрын

Humza “white man” speech was intended to store racial division for his own political benefit… when I think about it, it should fall into one of categories of offence in the new law.

@gordonmackenzie4512

28 күн бұрын

Humsa was not in power in 2021. Apart from that, this was passed by 4 political parties in Scotland, not just SNP. The new laws were proposed by Libdems.

@SpartanOfficial7

27 күн бұрын

@@gordonmackenzie4512 he is in power now. He was justice secretary and was instrumental in bringing the bill forward, he was under Nicola sturgeons iron rule of SNP. The bill was brought by SNP with the vast majority of them being in favour and Humza making many statements in favour it, even recently he backs it fully. Not sure what your point is, read up about it more yourself if you’re confused. The bill was brought to table and was passed with only 32 voting against it Labour endorsed it too, though some did vote against for various reasons however it was majority of conservatives and one reform MSP who voted against it. There’s no information on the Lib Dems being the ones to bring forward the bill. And yes it was scrutinised by 5 parties with 4 of the 5 main political parties being in favour: Labour, Lib Dems, Greens & SNP

@Trainrhys

22 күн бұрын

It should be removed as well as any others protecting “protected groups”

Scotland: we want a more tolerant society, and if you disagree we will throw you in jail. Yea… “tolerant”

This law effectively turns the Scottish police force into the SNP brownshirts.

@abody499

Ай бұрын

I suppose there needs to be some kind of defence against all the tory labour and reform blackshirts

@lewis123417

29 күн бұрын

​@abody499 pmsl love how you mention reform yet they havnt passed an actual bill telling people what they can and can't say in their own homes 😂 people don't take people like you seriously anymore because we know who the actual black shirts are, it's the modern so called progressives

@dombam8490

29 күн бұрын

The brownshirts ended that Weimar nightmare, call them something else, like the Stasi.

@CuFhoirthe88

28 күн бұрын

It's clearly intended to prevent a brownshirt (tartanshirt?) uprising against these (neo)liberals.

@bigships

25 күн бұрын

@@dombam8490 the SS?

What the fuck is this law?

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

The Barrister Employment Act

@gordonmackenzie4512

28 күн бұрын

Pretty much the same as the English version.

@brett8674

27 күн бұрын

Its correctly titled "criminalizing criticism of Humza Yusef act 2021"

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Tyranny.

@zenster1097

24 күн бұрын

@@danporath536 LMAO.

Free speech law is a very difficult subject who cannot be modified easily even with good intentions. "Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.” ― T.S. Eliot

@kwiatw

Ай бұрын

I don't believe they had good intentions writing this law.

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

@@kwiatw Lots of employment for solicitors is the good intentions.

@squidsquad6286

Ай бұрын

The only free speech is full freedom to voice opinion in a public space. Hateful or not. Anything else isn’t free speech.

@zeak5073

Ай бұрын

​@@squidsquad6286your right to freedom ends where anothers right to freedom begins, everyone should have the freedom to live free of hatred, discrimination and misinformation, these things are immoral and this is why these things must be illegal, now the issue is having a trustworthy authority who truly has good intentions to enact them

@squidsquad6286

Ай бұрын

@@zeak5073 Thats not how it works. Being offended is a choice. My right to voice my opinion in public must be preserved no matter what it is. If someone is offended by that opinion then that is their choice to be offended and thus it’s their own problem. It’s an incredibly dangerous thought to ban speech that offends people. Who controls what is offensive? Where is the line drawn?

Scotland has the worst health, wealth and security in the UK and tops of the ranks for each in Europe, but the SNP see this as a priority to divide people. It would be cheaper to tell people to grow up and stop getting offended.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Cheaper, but not as useful in terms of asserting absolute power.

@teddypicker8799

24 күн бұрын

They spend more than their entire GDP and are allowed to enforce these draconian laws. They'll still cry about not being "free" tho

@blindbrad4719

23 күн бұрын

Turns out they tried that, people are still bigots that would like to see someone hurt though.

This is why the first amendment in the US constitution is such a blessing and a genius insertion.

@Americanbadashh

29 күн бұрын

Hate speech is a crime in America too

@dombam8490

29 күн бұрын

@@Americanbadashh no it's not, it's not even considered a thing, at max social media companies will ban you.

@dombam8490

29 күн бұрын

@@Americanbadashh my answer got deleted, I said no it's not, it's not even a thing, some social media companies will kick you for it tho, but that's it.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

@@Americanbadashh It isn't.

@anauthor3330

15 күн бұрын

@@Americanbadashh No it's not, genius. America is the only nation in the West to not conform to this tyrannical emplacement of dictatorial legislation. And we will fight with guns, bullets and hellfire to keep it that way while the rest of the western world falls under dictatorship.

This seems like a big mistake, but I've yet to hear about something that the SNP has done well.

@thatgreypain

Ай бұрын

All parties are a dog show rn.

@SaintGerbilUK

Ай бұрын

Things the SNP has done well: * Stealing from tax payers. * Buying campervans.

@mrelephant2283

Ай бұрын

Baby Boxes are pretty good tbh

@campbellanderson829

Ай бұрын

im literally benefitting from free uni and free bus travel, pipe down

@st-ew8337

Ай бұрын

Scotland’s politics will never even out until we are allowed to have another referendum. It won’t begin to look any better until we do get another say, even if we vote no again.

The slippery slope is real. Anyone who takes issue with this should reflect on how they felt about previous legislation that limited freedom of speech.

@jackmarshall2496

Ай бұрын

It's already an arrestable offence to tell offensive jokes or sell stickers that may be seen as offensive. Criticising religion, criticising mass immigration, criticising political opinion, this is what this legislation now bans. The slippery slope is real but this feels more like free falling than being on an incline.

@WoA596

Ай бұрын

@@jackmarshall2496Didn't you watch the video? It specifically calls out that criticising these things is not banned.

@otakuofmine

Ай бұрын

hate speech =/= free speech

@jackmarshall2496

Ай бұрын

@@WoA596 speech laws are enforced without context. One person's criticism is another's hate. Religions being homophobic, someone unemployed being angry at mass immigration, anyone referencing the Rotherham scandal. Any one of these could be seen as hateful or threatening. There is president for this too, comedians being fined for making jokes, vicar's wives receiving a computer ban for tweeting (while referencing the bible) about trans people receiving computer bans. Do you really think this legislation won't be used to prosecute criticism if that criticism is deemed hateful? Only serious crimes have a jury in criminal court too, so it's literally just the judge that will decide if you're guilty or not.

@jgomo3877

29 күн бұрын

​@@WoA596if so, then why are police arrested and charge for these things?

Trying to silence people is a bad move.

@MsJaytee1975

Ай бұрын

If only it would work

A Scottish church munister was recently accused of hate crime for simply telling his congregation what the bible says. Far from being mysoginist, it was the opposite, but someone present had the opposite view. If you think this is ok, think deeper and see how ominous it is.

@CuFhoirthe88

28 күн бұрын

Lucky for him he wasn't discussing the conversation that transpired with Pilate in Matthew chapter 27.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

24 күн бұрын

What did he say?

@blindbrad4719

23 күн бұрын

Accused 🤷🏻 it didn't go anywhere. because you know, common sense was used.

What’s the definition of: “A reasonable person”?

@alexc4924

Ай бұрын

same thing it always means in laws

@LoveDoctorNL

Ай бұрын

@@alexc4924I still find that “a hypothetical person whose character and care conduct, under any common set of facts, is decided through reasoning of good practice or policy” leaves lots of wriggle room

@ASocialistTransGirl

Ай бұрын

this is a standard & common term in law. it means a person of average caution, care and consideration.

@iKrivetko

Ай бұрын

Not the lawmakers who came up with this, that’s for certain

@andybrice2711

Ай бұрын

As I understand it: That's a primary purpose of juries. _"Reasonable"_ is whatever 12 random people agree is reasonable.

Did anyone else catch that? There was a critique, that it does not include sex, the reaction was: a law against misogyny. That is just half the theoretical hate crimes regarding sex, what about the other half?

@richardkrauss80

Ай бұрын

As far as i remember, feminist interest groups opposed the inclusion of sex as protected category and demanded a "one way" law.

@bloodfiredrake7259

Ай бұрын

​@@richardkrauss80source

@paulwally9007

Ай бұрын

Yep. Heard that loud and clear.

@aceman0000099

Ай бұрын

😢

@PlanetTrendy

Ай бұрын

"the purpose of a system is what it does"

As a union rep I came across a great rule of thumb for considering new rules/processes etc., bad policy doesn't fix a bad situation. The same thinking can equally be applied to legislation. This feels like a classic example of design by committee that is so focused on being inclusive that every viewpoint has been taken into account, irrespective of merit, making the final result utterly confused, vague and unworkable. Heaven help the police and law courts.

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

It might end up being unenforceable because no two people can decide on what the standard actually means.

Who decides what a reasonable person would consider offensive? Surely, a reasonable, fair, and sensible person understands that there are always idiots in the world who spout nonsense, and it's not worth getting upset about? This would put too much power in the hands of the state.

@patriarch7237

Ай бұрын

Ultimately, a jury decides what a reasonable person would think, and the police/prosecuting agency collectively decide if they think a jury might agree with them. By that time a jury hears it, at least one person's life is probably significantly impacted, not to mention the expenditure of public resources. If the intent is to prevent inciting violence against vulnerable people (which I have no problem with), I thought there were already laws to do that.

@CuFhoirthe88

28 күн бұрын

One kind of problem this phraseology and the laws that use it have is the following. What people consider reasonable and by extension, what consitutes a reasonable person, has always changed. Most reasonable people, from the 1400s up to 15 years ago would not have considered Humza yousaf to be a Scot, let alone Scottish enough to be admitted to our public councils. As of the 1st of April, it will be illegal for a Scotsman to express the beliefs that his father and his ancestors considered reasonable.

@lennydale92

27 күн бұрын

@@patriarch7237 Does Scotland even have a judicial system? I thought they were more civil law.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Even if a reasonable person would consider something offensive, the individual has a natural and unalienable right to be offensive (it's included in the right to free speech/expression).

@CuFhoirthe88

25 күн бұрын

@@lennydale92 I don't know if this is what you're asking but Scots Law has always been a distinct legal system from England & Wales, even in the years between the 1707 Union and Devolution.

Ministry of Truth, Pre-Crime Division.

It's comical how someone could go to jail for saying "Every man over 80 is stupid and senile" in Scotland now. Would they get a harsher sentence for mentioning both sex and age? God forbid they add religion or sexual identity.

@mrelba9176

Ай бұрын

Even you know that isn't what this is. This is about screaming the N-word at people in the street, which white nationalists regularly do.

@MsJaytee1975

Ай бұрын

That isn’t true.

@jackmarshall2496

Ай бұрын

​@@MsJaytee1975if someone felt threatened by it then yes it is true. They may not be prosecuted because old people aren't important enough to the Scottish government but because of the vague wording of the legislation, if this was stated, even in a private conversation this statement would be in breach. It also prevents several political ideologies, such as the pro choice argument, and infringes on religious beliefs such as jedeo-christian beliefs that being gay is a sin. This legislation can be used to prosecute anyone that has made a statement that is hateful even if its not hateful towards the person its being discussed with. That's why so many people are against it. Considering they had to add a clause into the legislation to protect comedians, its clearly over reaching and unbelievably authoritarian

@ProfessorChocolateCake

29 күн бұрын

@@MsJaytee1975"This isn't true, but even if it was, it's actually a _good_ thing".

@blindbrad4719

23 күн бұрын

@@jackmarshall2496 if an 80-year-old is threatened by it, and can prove it is true. Why shouldn't that person be protected? It would certainly make people mindful of not treating our elderly with the casual disregard that is proven timing again in care homes around the UK.

So, they'll deal with misogyny, but not misandry?

@SaintGerbilUK

Ай бұрын

Exactly the laws only cut one way. Do you think this will be used to protect, white, male, straight, Christian or any combination of above you're just deluding yourself.

@UdumbaraMusic

Ай бұрын

I read the bill a while back, it does deal with misandry and covers whites, heterosexuals and Christians as well. As far as I'm aware it's just the same as the old bill but has a few added bits to cover more people.

@Bacon56ful

Ай бұрын

@@UdumbaraMusicWhen was the last time someone was charged for racial hate crime against white men under those laws?

@SaintGerbilUK

Ай бұрын

@@UdumbaraMusic that maybe true when it comes to wording but not in practice for enforcement. We have had hate crime laws for a while now yet existing case law is entirely used against white people accused by bame people. I challenge you to find an example of a bame person because charged with a hate crime enhancement from a white victim? It's still news when a court sides with a white person for racial discrimination for employment.

@UdumbaraMusic

Ай бұрын

​@@Bacon56ful Around 34% of all hate crime cases, interestingly. I know a girl who got arrested for it.

I'm sorry are we using Russia as an example of reasonable limits on free speech?

@useodyseeorbitchute9450

Ай бұрын

Well, this legislation looks Russian style, so they seem as the right example on analyzing it...

@xo-1320

28 күн бұрын

Yes... what you thought our Post-Modern state leadership hated Russia for being authoritarian? No they hate them for being a different brand of Post-Modernism.

"Concerns about free speech in Scotland" I think that ship has long sailed, there just isn't freedom of speech anymore.

@MsJaytee1975

Ай бұрын

Really I wrote a newspaper column criticising the Scottish government last week

@dombam8490

29 күн бұрын

@@MsJaytee1975 write one criticizing that speech your first minister made a while ago.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

There is always freedom of speech (it's part of our nature). It's just that there are tyrannical and rights-violating governments that will arrest you for it.

@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat

18 күн бұрын

@@MsJaytee1975 Really? I'm offended by it. It incites hatred. What's your name?

Unbelievable, absolutely shocking stuff. I’m speechless. As a former international student in and with a lot of fondness for Scotland, this makes it impossible for me to visit again. Wild to believe this place used to be one of the cradles of the enlightenment 300 years ago, what an insane retrogression. This makes me very sad, even if the law would most likely never be a threat to me or any of my Scottish friends, but with this kind of vagueness it throws judicial safety out the window

@abody499

Ай бұрын

Guy claims to be "speechless" Goes on to make an 80+ word hyperbolic whine about something "most likely" not to affect him

@lewis123417

29 күн бұрын

​@abody499 that's politics mate. Were all entitled to our "whines" about policies that don't personally affect us. I don't live in North korea but you can be sure I take a view on their domestic policies

@abody499

29 күн бұрын

​ @lewis123417 the problem with opinions is the experience knowledge and understanding that goes into forming them. there's a reason why no one is taught anything more than a surface level biased account of the subject.

@Wn9618

29 күн бұрын

@@abody499 lol of course, us philistine unenlightened plebs could never understand these complex issues - my apologies for the brazen ignorance and will leave these matters to the smart people like yourself. my head already hurts from all the thinking, I think 80 words might have overcooked my frontal lobe. goodnight

@abody499

29 күн бұрын

See that reply is evidence to support my point. *I didn't at all say* that people "could never understand these complex issues" or that it's only "smart people" who can. I said people aren't taught anything more than a surface level account for a reason. To go beyond, further education level is required, at least bachelor's level. But to elaborate further, everyone is capable. Everyone has the capacity to learn. The problem is what and how they are taught.

Oh hey! More ambiguous and unnecessary laws that can be enforced however the person in power wants to interpret them! Neat!

@JonoPS

Ай бұрын

Unnecessary to you?

@useodyseeorbitchute9450

Ай бұрын

​@@JonoPS Does he look like someone who would be in charge of selectively enforcing such laws to accidentally hit political opponents? If no, then they are unnecessary for him.

I would love to see TLDR UK have more Scottish, Welsh and North Irish news!

@ArcTV.

Ай бұрын

And not English news? ha another moron who thinks uk government = english government.

If you criticise mass immigration you get called racist which is illegal. The thing is if you criticise Islam you usually get called islamophobic which is illegal. I'm sure Hamza Yusuf a Muslim man will not use this to his benefit for jailing opposition.

@JonoPS

Ай бұрын

That makes no sense. Also, try spelling his name correctly before inserting it into a sentence.

@thatgreypain

Ай бұрын

Well if I call to abolish the monarchy I might end up in jail, so what's your point?

@kwiatw

Ай бұрын

@@thatgreypain the ruling monarch is a white, christian, cis man so you can safely say whatever you want.

@whatislife7363

Ай бұрын

@@JonoPS I find that offensive because I'm dyslexic. So go to prison.

@thatgreypain

Ай бұрын

@@kwiatw I think 'safely' is quite naive to place here.. Recent data from the Home Office's hate crime report (2022-23 England and Wales) shows that those who are victims of hate crime and violence are not actually white Christians. I know with the huge media hype about EDI people are thinking that being White Christian man makes one less protected, but numbers are numbers, and numbers show that this category is the most protected and least subject to violence. If I criticise the monarch in a conservative club in the south east of England I would leave the place teethless if not worse :)

If 18 incidents called 'hate crimes' are performed every day, the word 'crime' suggests there is already a law to deal with these incidents.

@aceman0000099

Ай бұрын

Also, it doesn't feel like that's a super high amount. In England it's probably 200 a day

@corpclarke

Ай бұрын

@@aceman0000099 Scotland only has a population of 5.5 million. London alone has a population of 10 million. So it seems proportionate.

@aceman0000099

Ай бұрын

@@corpclarke consider that 5 of those 18 hate crimes take place in my own household

@otakuofmine

Ай бұрын

so, we should punish murder and theft the same, cause they are both crimes? that is essentially what you are saying plus, hate crimes are often not persucated, thats WHY

@corpclarke

Ай бұрын

@@otakuofmine no I haven't said that at all you've totally strawmanned my point. One of the reasons the first minister gave for introducing this legislation is that there are 18 hate crimes a day. But these 18 hate crimes are already crimes. That's not a reason to introduce more legislation. To use your analogy, it's like saying there are 18 thefts a day so I need to introduce more murder legislation. The sentence just doesn't make sense as a reason to introduce more legislation.

Manual for enforcing police state, Chapter 1, Sentence 1: Restrict freedom of expression.

@otakuofmine

Ай бұрын

you realise that coppers literally spoke against it in the video...?

@ginojaco

Ай бұрын

@@otakuofmine Come back to me when 'coppers' can legislate... 👍

This is the problem with hate speech laws. The definitions are arbitrary and capricious. It does far more harm to the cohesion of society to police thought and speech than it does to simply tell the people to deal with it on a societal level (leaving the government out of the issue). Hate speech laws are a violation of human rights.

@SaintGerbilUK

Ай бұрын

Seems like that's the plan though doesn't it?

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Yes, it's tyranny. Well done on recognising this basic and obvious fact.

Moral of the story: There no definitive way to define hate speech

So the act explicitly says you can express antipathy towards religion, but you cannot towards homosexuality or transgenderism?

@brandonconway3819

Ай бұрын

i mean good luck tryna reel in football fans. you’d lose an entire chunk of ur voter base and considering they’ve already been pushed and demonised, i think if they tried using this hate bill to crack down on words of religious hatred they would be seen as out of touch and authoritarian

@mor9361

Ай бұрын

Religion is the biggest scam ever created! Lgtbq are people! Human beings!!

@lewis123417

29 күн бұрын

I'm gay and even I agree this is a dangerous bill

@CuFhoirthe88

28 күн бұрын

And I'm told by foreigners and rightoids that Humza Yousaf is supposedly some sort of Islamist Sharia-extremist and not just a malicious anti-White liberal.

@RationalistMH

27 күн бұрын

Religion is a choice, race or sexual orientation (including being straight) is not. What if my religion tells me black people aren’t human, should religious protections override protections on the basis of skin color? Of course not. Religion is a set of ideological beliefs, race or sex is an innate characteristic. For that reason, religious affiliation should not receive the same protection as things like race etc

I’m a big fan of devolution. But the SNP do an excellent job at making me reconsider.

@gameofender4463

Ай бұрын

Exactly. To have different definitions of what is and isn’t ok is just going to be a constant issue for the courts. Scottish law will say one thing, they’ll appeal citing U.K. law and then they’ll it cause a rift between Scotland and the rest of the U.K.

@purpledevilr7463

Ай бұрын

@@gameofender4463 frankly I think most of Scotland would be happy with the system simply because they fail on wacky bullsh*t like this.

@gameofender4463

Ай бұрын

@@purpledevilr7463 Possibly. As they’d claim it’s unfair watching the Supreme Court overrule their laws.

@bobbailey7024

Ай бұрын

Devolution was Blair's idea to help the EU break the UK up into regions. Total waste of money. They should all be abolished.

@ab-ym3bf

Ай бұрын

Because Westminster is such a shining example of how to do things better?

My understanding is that if someone reports you to the police for a word they don't like then there is nothing you can say against it, you're stuck with the crime whether you agree with it or not. What the hell kind of law is that if you cannot defend yourself?

Disaster. Get him out

Guess what religion you won't he able to criticise. 🤔

@CuFhoirthe88

28 күн бұрын

The church of American style left-liberalism.

@tomatomi8041

24 күн бұрын

The moon people

@SC-mv9rk

23 күн бұрын

@@tomatomi8041😂😂😂

@paulgrant7393

23 күн бұрын

Is that the god that makes 14 year old girls pregnant without their consent?

@blindbrad4719

23 күн бұрын

If you can't criticise something without inciting hatred, you are not making a good argument against it, you are just shitting on it you know, religious discrimination. I fucking hate religion, it uses manipulative and underhanded tactics to indoctrinate people into it. I get that it gives people a reason to not just be hopeless, or tries to control and censure peoples actions towards others (sound familiar?) but when it actively started to medal in peoples lives negatively, it deviated way out of its lane and just became a problem. The one sentiment I agree with Trump about despite his reason probably being pathetic and not actually knowing any quotes, is that religion should be a personal thing, and recruitment into it should be at an age where people can make an informed choice about which one they want, not indoctrinated as a child that has no say. even if you're an atheist, if you were baptised you are claimed by the Christian church, did you know that? of course each God says it is the only one, that's just good business sense, but what if they're all real? You'll be going to hell because you were marked as a baby against your Will 🧐. don't hate or attack religions, but just think twice about who you want to bring into its fold, and if you're against it, petition for policies that protect with arguments like I am instead, there's no reason why religions can't grow, that's exactly what the new Testament is about. hey look! I criticised religion without being an arsehole about it. And it was super easy. people are just lazy and would rather like and share something online without thinking about it, just because it resonates with their emotions instead of their critical thinking skills, no wonder manipulative bad actors have such an easy time playing people like a fiddle 🙄 people complain about a lack of common sense without realising what a hypocrite they're also being.

Full blown dystopia.

What a waste of police time

Free speech should be an absolute right just because an opinion or words offends someone doesn't make it an invalid opinion and therefore it shouldn't be restricted

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

You don't have the right to stir up racial violence and hatred in the UK already. We don't want a bloodbath like the US of A.

@jenko6196

Ай бұрын

At the same time they’re allowed to be offended, shocked and outraged and should be free to debate, negotiate and counter to protect freedom of expression. Expecting a stiff upper lip limits that, and can further push people out of conversations and social positions they should or would otherwise be able to access. Freedom of speech is an imperative in society, but limiting some speech or at least providing the opportunity to interrogate it, actually makes society more free

@danporath536

Ай бұрын

@@julianshepherd2038 The third-person effect hypothesis predicts that people tend to perceive that mass media messages have a greater effect on others than on themselves, based on personal biases. The third-person effect manifests itself through an individual's overestimation of the effect of a mass communicated message on the generalized other, or an underestimation of the effect of a mass communicated message on themselves.

@nialpollitt3410

Ай бұрын

​@@julianshepherd2038 rivers of blood you might say...

@devvikramsingh7785

Ай бұрын

​@@julianshepherd2038Only racial hatred??So naive and ignorant

1.If JKR gets taken to court, transgender ideology will have to face unimaginable levels of legal/public (global?) scrutiny. 2. If JKR does NOT get taken to court, this new law will fall at the first hurdle.

Haven’t even read the details but I already smell bullshit. The one thing I envy Americans for is their free speech laws.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

24 күн бұрын

Half of this identity politics crap came from America in the first place.

Still amazed at the concept of "hate speech" becoming accepted. Remember when I first heard the word 10 years ago it sounded like an Orwell parody. A term like "doublethink" but too obvious and blatant so it got scrapped from the book. And now I'm supposed to think it's a real thing and it's written into law. Sad times.

@jeongbun2386

Ай бұрын

Me when I don’t under 1984

@00dude3

Ай бұрын

And there's a ton of useful idiots in the comments defending it.

@poika22

Ай бұрын

@@jeongbun2386 "only I can understand what 1984 is REALLY about" Besides, I didn't say anything about the message of the book. Only that the term "hate speech" sounds like a parody of the newspeak words Orwell invented for that book, which were on purpose written to sound ridiculous.

@reksapluss716

Ай бұрын

@@jeongbun2386

@ProfessorChocolateCake

29 күн бұрын

@@jeongbun2386Imagine unironically listening to K-Pop.

It’s completely hypocritical of the SNP who are so in favour of the European Convention of Human Rights but are effectively infringing on people’s right of Freedom on Speech

Also known as The Karen Bill.

@hmu05366

Ай бұрын

??

@salag13

Ай бұрын

Usually Karens are the ones who perpetuate hate speech.

@priyanshshrivastava9013

Ай бұрын

"Can I talk to your manager"

@SunYellow-zh7vx

23 күн бұрын

Give it up, fool.

saying hateful things is essential in a free society......I hate the Scotts leaders

@Americanbadashh

29 күн бұрын

Maybe a free one but certainly not a civil society

but if those daily 18 hate crimes aren't covered by current legislation... they aren't hate crimes, are they?

@cl8804

27 күн бұрын

right; that's the point of this law, to my understanding

@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957

27 күн бұрын

@@cl8804 I'd say that's the point about the *debate* about this law

April 1? This isn't a joke, right?

@legtendgav556

Ай бұрын

Maybe that's why they did it on this date?

@freyasworn2600

Ай бұрын

Oh my god, the government is just joking around! They have become cool and relatable

Destroying free speech doesn't create tolerance, it just stops people saying they don't like a group. If anything, it will reinforce there being a genuine reason to dislike a group.

@abody499

Ай бұрын

fish by name, fish by brain

So men are excluded from lawful protection against misandry? Women are excluded from lawful protection against misogyny? Do they not constitute hate crimes?

In other words, hurting someone's feelings is a crime. Hate speech must be narrowly and carefully defined, or else freedom of expression will be destroyed.

What is considered discrimination is up to the interpretation of the government of scotland, and that can lead to several people not being able to have an open discourse.

I just had a racist thought😮 Oh well to the jail I go 😔

@hakimi69420

Ай бұрын

🤣

@darhaha3391

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@soundscape26

Ай бұрын

Thoughts are not actions.

@MrHws5mp

Ай бұрын

Well by modern "logic", by saying that you have racist thoughts, you've making people of other races feel unwelcome and unsafe around you, so off to the gulag you go...

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

Ffs do a little research. The law does not remotely say that. That would contravene UK and EU law.

18 a day huh? Is that convicted hate crimes or just reported, regardless of merit?

Nope,as a Scottish person I still don't understand it.then I could argue the government offended me.

At a time when governments are seemingly ignoring their citizens' own concerns, having more restrictive laws is a recipe for disaster. You'll only diffuse tensions by allowing people to express those concerns. Supressing them can only end badly.

Like the laws against controlling behaviour: 100% back door state over-reach, 0% protection of the vulnerable.

I Hate that Law !

You may be able to stop people speaking, but you can't stop them thinking. (yet!) The word 'Freedom' is also the most abused term by politicians ever!

@MadeTheSame

Ай бұрын

People can be easily manipulated and coerced to change their thinking.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Learn what a "chilling effect" is.

So many problems.... 1) The SNP have absolutely no intention of bringing in this fictional misogyny bill, they've had 3 years since hate crime bill and no mention of it since... 2) Both everything and nothing is a hate crime now we live in an age where you will find a group to be offended by everything, the word "reasonable person" just means a person who the police officer at the time agrees with, that is potentially everyone. 3) In the dwelling is a stupid rule that is just going to cause strife, if you are in a house and someone says something you dont like, either make them leave or leave yourself 4) Reality can now be considered a hate crime, i.e. if a transwoman for example tries to enter a womans changing room and is told "no sorry your sex is male", that is potentially a hate crime. 5) It actually dilutes existing hate crime legislation by making a new over-riding bill which is unenforceable and no one understands I don't really understand the purpose of this bill, other then to make something someone else may find offensive a crime. The existing legislation was defined and fit for purpose and enforceable... if it aint broke, dont fix it

Hate is NOT a crime unless it incites violence, end of.

@Americanbadashh

29 күн бұрын

Hate is dehumanization which incites crime!

@paradisehub9382

28 күн бұрын

@Americanbadashh Rubbish. What about sadness, anger, happiness? Let me guess, does happiness promote the patriarchy and class divide and therefore should be criminalised too?

@Ghayme-changer

25 күн бұрын

Stop the boats.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

No emotion should be a crime, nor should it be an aggravating factor. The rights-violation itself (i.e. actual physical violence) is what should be the crime. Incitement is just encouragement. Well, why should the one who encourages violence be treated as a criminal? It's the one who does the physical violence who is the criminal. The incitement is just an exercise of freedom of speech.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

24 күн бұрын

@@Americanbadashh Hate is an emotion. It doesn't incite crime. I hate Islam. Doesn't mean I'm going to incite violence against Islam. I also hate Nazism. Are you not allowed to hate Nazism?

So domestic violence isn’t a hate crime but expressing your opinion is ?!

Terrible authoritarian law

"Offense doesn't just need to be intended... a person commits an offence if a person behaves in a manner that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening, abusive, or insulting..." What is the definition of a 'reasonable' person, and where's the line between being 'reasonably' offended by someone and 'unreasonably' offended by someone? How do you police people 'behaving in an insulting manner' in their own homes? This seems like something you might see in a poorly-written dystopian movie. Not only is it going to be a legal nightmare to enforce properly, it just doesn't make sense. Making it a criminal offence to be considered offensive by someone else is going to potentially see a lot of innocent people punished based on the whims of easily-offended people.

no talk about misandry just misogony.

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

Separate act coming.

@daeyyron

Ай бұрын

If you actually read the bill, you'd know that there's no talk about misandry OR misogyny. The bill defines sex as a protected characteristic - protections are equal.

@nathanl4083

Ай бұрын

@@daeyyronshhh don’t tell them anything about the bill. Just make them read a fearmongering headline so they can say 1984 and move on

@TheAmericanPrometheus

Ай бұрын

@@daeyyron in theory...

@milantoth6246

Ай бұрын

@@daeyyron I think the person above is talking about the fact that the government only mentioned misogyny and not misandry as the thing being addressed in the future act. And as TLDR said, sex was specifically NOT included as a protected characteristic in this act.

So if someone chants that awful saying ' from the river etc whilst protesting , will they be arrested ? Watch this space

The issue is the bill is far too vague and open to interpretation. This is by design of course, as the SNP are hoping left-wing judicial activists will interpret previously lawful thought and philosophy as 'hate'. Private conversations not being exempt also harks back to the good old days of Stalin's USSR where snitching on thy neighbour was encouraged.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

No, the issue is that it's tyrannical and rights-violating. A "less vague" rights-violation doesn't become a good rights-violation (if ever there could be such a thing).

@sherpafan033

25 күн бұрын

@@npcknuckles5887 A less vague bill would never have passed. That's why it is 'vague'

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

@@sherpafan033 Why do you assume it wouldn't have passed? The Scottish government is filled with authoritarian tyrant types who would leap at the chance to impose greater tyranny. Do not assume that these people are moral, just and rights-respecting but just led astray by legislative ambiguity.

@sherpafan033

25 күн бұрын

​@@npcknuckles5887 Because passing a clear law on 'hate crimes' wouldn't have been possible as it would conflict with freedom of speech human rights laws already put in place. A vague bill gets around this by not setting the definition of 'hate speech' so that it is up to already established left-wing judges to decide.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

@@sherpafan033 The bill/act conflicts with the right to freedom of speech, regardless of whether it's vague or precise, it makes no difference either way. Its ambiguity simply allows the government to more effectively go after a wider range of potential targets. Yes, left wing judges appreciate the ambiguity, because it enables them greater justification for the sentences they will dole out. The bottom line is: It's a tyrannical and rights-violating piece of legislation, and its ambiguity just makes it even more evil than it already is.

In an ideal world, free speech should be an absolute right. No law should limit or encroach upon it.

@xeanderman6688

Ай бұрын

But we are not ideal beings, therefore we cannot have ideal, absolute rights. We're very selfish and self-oriented beings

@soundscape26

Ай бұрын

In an ideal world hate speech wouldn't be a thing either, so hey...

@im-radio

Ай бұрын

fascists and other extremist populist groups should not be given a platform

@hmu05366

Ай бұрын

@@xeanderman6688especially when you read these comments calling him a p@ki etc shockin!! Scottish people obviously much more racist than I thought

@looker999997

Ай бұрын

In that world, there would have to be no conflict or self-interest at all. Otherwise, people would legally use their free speech to threaten and and dox their opponents. In any realistic scenario, there would have to be some laws against threats and infringement of privacy.

Hate isn't a crime it's a motivation, if someone is racist for example and murders someone of a different race it should still carry the same sentence as any other murder! Only authoritarians would try and make an opinion illegal and that certainly seems to be the case with the vague language which can be easily abused, especially when it comes to more divisive topics. You can Police people's behaviour but it's going too far trying to police their thoughts and that's all this law is doing.

Speech should not be a hate crime. Violence against someone because of any of those things can be considered a hate crime. Not speech. Simply being offended because someone said some bs about you should not be criminal.

@afgor1088

Ай бұрын

why not? speech can create the conditions that allow violence to occur. i have no interest in the free speech of those who'd destroy our society.

@C.I...

Ай бұрын

@@afgor1088 That comment sounded pretty violent to me. Very offensive. Off to jail you go.

@npcknuckles5887

25 күн бұрын

Emotions should be utterly irrelevant to crime, since nobody is a telepath or empath that can sense emotions.

@obligatoryusername7239

23 күн бұрын

@@afgor1088 Your dismissal of the well-being of the intolerant (which would include the waves of migrants who hate LGBT) seems like it can create the conditions for political purging. I think you should be charged with inciting violence under this new bill.

@afgor1088

23 күн бұрын

@@obligatoryusername7239 don't care what you think, it's not relevant neither are you.

Are the Scots going to enforce this law inside of Muslim mosques?

My real question is, Why? Why is legislation meant to increase hate speech penalties being introduced now? Did something happen in Scotland recently that caused Parliament to consider this? Some huge hate crime or something? Seems a bit out of the blue.

@mr.x817

Ай бұрын

The war in the Middle East. Lots of hate coming from both sides & certain people act on it.

@lwinklly

Ай бұрын

0:27 It's been planned to come into effect now since the act was passed

@monkeynews8311

26 күн бұрын

Yes there was a huge hate crime in parliament about a year ago where some guy got up and went on and on about the colour of peoples skin...

@soccerguy325

26 күн бұрын

@@monkeynews8311 Lol who was that?

@salvatoremaglione6398

26 күн бұрын

​@@soccerguy325Humza Yousef saying there are too many white politicians in Scotland.

Didn't know we need laws against hurty words...

You can report these thought crimes at a local sex shop. I`m not joking.

@ProfessorChocolateCake

27 күн бұрын

It's almost as if they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

Nice I love the governments way of saying: it’s now illegal to insult lgbtq+, but Religion? Fine we didn’t like those anyways, do your worst.

Evil law.

“Our training package has been developed in close consultation with diversity staff associations…” Police Scotland to Sky News So, there you have it. The law is so vague its enforcement is being defined by diversity staff associations; let that sink in.

Speaking of religion, I read an article about the recent report on the 2021 incident at Batley Grammar School in England regarding the Muhammad cartoon and what happened after.

(Laughs in American)

@CuFhoirthe88

28 күн бұрын

Your countrymen in one of the Dakotas are no longer allowed to have negative opinions about jews or Israel.

@TheCommentor-

28 күн бұрын

@@CuFhoirthe88source?

There should only be a law which states that "No Person shall interfere or call to interfere with another's rights".

@SaintGerbilUK

Ай бұрын

Isn't that basically what the police does, now a days?

@fearghal10

Ай бұрын

Doesn't preventing people from "calling to interfere"with others' rights interference with their right to free speech?

@cryochick9044

Ай бұрын

​@@fearghal10your rights to freedom end when it infringes on someone elses So no

@fearghal10

Ай бұрын

@@cryochick9044 Yeah that's the point I was making, the overlapping structure of various individual rights means you need to set out conventions to negotiate when they come into conflict. One snappy wee phrase doesn't cut it.

@nathangamble125

Ай бұрын

This sounds great if you don't think about it for more than a couple of seconds, but it doesn't actually change anything. The problem is that different people disagree on what they have a right to do, so the law still needs to define it explicitly.

It’s not controversial as everyone dissagrees with it

A bit of "hate speech" has a far less pernicious effect upon society than restrictions on freedom of speech and expression does. Humza is an absolute tool.

@Orei13

24 күн бұрын

to the straight white male what a shocker

À misogyny clause but no misandry clause? Okay then

@UdumbaraMusic

Ай бұрын

Don't worry, straight white males are also covered in the bill.