I lost my son 11 years and 4 months ago. It is so true that you never "get over" it. You manage (some days better than others) to get through it. But there is forever a hole in my heart in the shape of my son, that can never be healed or filled with anything else. It is there, every minute of every day.

@crystalrosas6052

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry u r exactly right my son passed 11-21-06 Noel David Mancilla

@aliciajohnson9624

2 жыл бұрын

My daughter died 3/21/03. 16 yrs old , still hurts today

@kathrynbillinghurst188

2 жыл бұрын

Dear Ladies, I can’t stop crying, just reading your tragedies… real pain here and I’m feeling just one ounce of your life long pain. Please stay strong. I’m praying for you and your precious families. 🙏

@abby3373

2 жыл бұрын

My gma lost 3/4. Two as still borns and one to domestic abuse. She said my mom the domestic abuse one was the worst because she was a bystander and now she has to live with it. But she also said my mom was so under his control if she did something she feared her fleeing the country. So I get her inner struggle in my own beliefs there were many ways to stop it.

@Somegirl811

2 жыл бұрын

God, it's unthinkable. I know the grief must be overwhelming at times, but you don't deserve to be unhappy forever. Please allow yourselves to experience joy every chance you get. Your children would want that.

These parents are so brave to speak about this. I don’t think I would be able to do the same.

@ElaAusDemTal

2 жыл бұрын

I guess there are some situations in life that you need to have gone through yourself to fully comprehend their impact! A good friend of mine lost two husbands (accident and heart attack); a nightmare! When I mustered up the courage to talk to her about it, she said "there's nothing else than picking yourself up and to go on, as to having the strength to do it? It doesn't matter if you don't, there's no choice, is there?". That sums it up quite accurately, in my mind.

@miggysalazar9177

2 жыл бұрын

If you were getting a check for it im sure you would sing about it

@iamtrashmann6003

2 жыл бұрын

I'm only 10 min in right now but i was thinking the exact same thing. They are very strong people but obviously broken

@ellamayoxoxo9510

2 жыл бұрын

@@miggysalazar9177 it sounds cruel but you ain’t lying 🤷🏻‍♀️💯

@merncat3384

2 жыл бұрын

@@miggysalazar9177 You're sick if that's how you think

I started tearing up when her friend said she sent that text “you’re not dead are you?” I’ve jokingly sent that text before as well. Can’t imagine how she must have felt when she heard the news. Absolutely devastating.

@pinkcats7533

2 жыл бұрын

I kno I felt so bad for her cause she you can tell tht she felt so bad about tht but she didn't kno

@suekelley2109

2 жыл бұрын

I've sent that text too. And Ive received it. We never know Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow

@pinkcats7533

2 жыл бұрын

@@suekelley2109 very scary

@iAmNothingness

Жыл бұрын

Always look at your last words you tell someone before the see ya/goodbye

@geniehinseth512

Жыл бұрын

She should feel NO GUILT OR SHAME - she couldn't have imagined that something SO HORRIBLE could have happened. My heart goes out to ALL OF ELLIE'S LOVED ONES {FAMILY & FRIENDS}. That boy should get a long prison sentence so he can have time to become ashamed & repentant. He also needs therapy to treat that possessive nature he has that drove him to murder Ellie in cold blood. He should never have freedom until he does not have a possessive bone in his body!! I think because of his age, he didn't understand what he did. He should not even get paroled until he's no longer a risk for being possessive.

As a teenager, my girlfriend broke up with me via text message and I wanted to have a conversation about it. Not even trying to convince her to stay with her, just have a conversation. She agreed to it, but her parents insisted that we would meet at their home while her parents were at home. At the time, I was a bit upset about their parents, because it felt like they were accusing me of being some sort of psycho who would harm their daughter, after hearing about Ellie's tragic story, I feel a lot differently about it. My post breakup conversation went well and we even managed to stay friends and I certainly did not have any bad intentions, but you never know.

@nakedbeekeeper9610

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, you're a fine gentleman. I never understood people's psychotic attachments to former partners. Nothing lasts forever. It's heartbreaking sometimes to be parted with someone dear but there are plenty of ways to deal with the grief instead of lingering on it.

@dawnlennon5331

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@dawnlennon5331

2 жыл бұрын

🥰🥰🥰

@YourXellency

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it'll be ridiculous to break up over phone. It made it difficult that my last 2 ex girlfriends did it every week. It was unstable and even at 25 and 29 respectively, I didn't know how relationships truly worked because it seemed new to me and each relationship was over a year but culturally different. One in Texas and the other in Korea. They were violent and abusive and their behavior was hard to control. I couldn't touch them at all and didn't try. I ended up breaking up both relationships because of the risks.

@nakedbeekeeper9610

2 жыл бұрын

@@YourXellency that's symptomatic of the modern women. Most cultures are affected. You'd be hard to find anyone who would really commit to a relationship. Us men aren't that good either with that. Well, as long as you can detect red flags and avoid the loonies, all you can do is keep trying.

For a father to find his daughter dead let alone murdered…. Sending so so so much love to the family, friends, school community and the community at large. ❤️

@joy9073

2 жыл бұрын

😭😢😭😢😭

@kat-gj8wv

2 жыл бұрын

😹😹😹😹😹deserved

@AimieNeish

2 жыл бұрын

@@kat-gj8wv ur disgusting to comment that

@bigmeechmom3368

2 жыл бұрын

OK don't think I woulda survived that! But I'm glad they have each other to loose your only child your only baby I ask God to keep them sane and at peace!!

@patsylune7243

2 жыл бұрын

@@kat-gj8wv I hope you can find some counselling to help with developing empathy. And/or assist you in resolving your need to troll on KZread. It’s not a practice people are actually interested in. 🙏

12.5 years is a slap in the face to her friends and family.

@Risingofthephoenixxx

2 жыл бұрын

Wtf is wrong with England

@warrax111

2 жыл бұрын

He can be out in 6.25. same happened in our country (slovakia), but murderer was 16yo girl (murdererd boyfriend with knife, about 30 stabs). tried to masked it, and throw it on fictive electricimen (dont know term in english, the man who goes control electricity stuff in flats) but camera didnt see anyone entered. she got also 12 years, but can be out in 6 years if good behaviour. on the other side, drunken women in USA, who killed with car, (accident) , got 50 years. (she is in 30's, so that means basicaly lifetime prison). And some thieves , that stolen 1 milion from state money, got 11 and 12 years in our country. it is sick. They got as murderers, that's sick.

@TheBandit7613

2 жыл бұрын

@@warrax111 Electrician. I'd have no trouble taking the law into my own hands.

@warrax111

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBandit7613 Thank you. Yes, the correct term is electrician. The second sentance I dont understand how did you meant tha about taking law into own hands? The electrician didnt exists, the girl used it as excuse, that he attacked them, and killed boyfriend.

Being the father of a daughter, I can't imagine what those parents went through. No parent should endure that. My sincere condolences.

@BabyBoy_Milo

2 жыл бұрын

His poise and clarity while recounting finding her body is absolutely insane. My god.

@BeeRocket2010

2 жыл бұрын

Me too, my little girl is just 4 years old and we are so close. How old is your daughter?

@lenman1114

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeeRocket2010 40, 42 and 43. Plu 3 granddaughters. Yeah, lots of women. Lol.

@BeeRocket2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@lenman1114 Oh wow you have created a big family, I'm just at beginning with a 7yr old step daughter and a 4yr old girl and she's mine. My wife is awesome and my best friend, she wants 1 more child but I really don't want to anymore, I'm 40 and feel two kids is enough. I had a hand full of ladies before my wife lol

@janessaortiz4613

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeeRocket2010 I always say you shouldn't have just one child because you never know So have at least one more.

That guy really took "If I cannot have you, no one else can" to a whole new level. That was so uncalled for she seemed like a sweet girl. RIP to her.

@CavangoVulgora

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@KomatsuHB215LC-1

Жыл бұрын

​@@CavangoVulgora Funny?

@CavangoVulgora

Жыл бұрын

@@KomatsuHB215LC-1 I have things to do. Im super busy !!! 🦦

@KomatsuHB215LC-1

Жыл бұрын

@@CavangoVulgora troll. someone died n you can still laugh?

@mahadsaid74

Жыл бұрын

"That guy really took "If I cannot have you, no one else can" to a whole new level. " Literally. It's scary.

The parents are sublimely classy, decent, and brave. My heart breaks for them.

@terde9651

2 жыл бұрын

Lovely expression. Agreed, terribly heartbreaking.

@zaharfortruth.5206

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes classy means nothing when commonsense produces real insight.

@brookeguenther4909

2 жыл бұрын

People don't fully mature mentally and psychologically until 23-24 years old. In fact, people under that age were legally and correctly considered children until WWII when the law changed. We needed every able bodied male and 18 year old boys were in body more like men. They couldn't send children to war, so the age that was considered to be an adult was simply lowered to 18 years of age.

@caroldepp2545

2 жыл бұрын

@@brookeguenther4909 Are you making excuses for murderers?

@cinnabun715

2 жыл бұрын

@@caroldepp2545 seems like Brooke was EXPLAINING not excusing

Someone who takes a life should get life.

@samramoli3461

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree..

@nattojelly8349

2 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly believe that someone who is 100% proven guilty should experience what they did to their victim. Edit* I am very happy to see that so many people agree with this statement.

@jg7102

2 жыл бұрын

I agree if you are 18 or older. If you are under 18 you should never get life.

@nikkil9463

2 жыл бұрын

@@cherryfieldsinc life in prison.

@ScorpioQueen90

2 жыл бұрын

100% agreed !! Period.

Losing a child takes an extreme toll on a marriage. It appears that Ellie’s parents have beaten the odds. Hopefully they continue to find comfort in each other and stay strong in their love. RIP, Ellie ❤️

@ChanelNJ

2 жыл бұрын

❤️

I've gotta add - the old dude at the beginning said "This is the tragedy of a young man who wasn't mature enough..." Wow. How about this is the tragedy of a young girl's life being taken by someone she trusted?????

@thelightside77

Жыл бұрын

I don't remember the exact words he used but i remember thinking he was off completely i said ''wait what'' to myself. And he is supposed to be a criminologist. They guy was a psychopath obviously how does a criminologist don't know what that entails?

12 years, he's got? what an horrifying misjustice for the family

@meganivanyos3232

2 жыл бұрын

I was shocked how light sentencing is in the UK when I lived there. I mean, c’mon minimum 25 years

@ryansmith7093

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure when he gets out someone will take care of him 😃👌

@bosedohne5209

2 жыл бұрын

In Germany it would have been the same or even less. We don't believe in so called "absolute punishment" you practise "relative punishment" which means it's not punishment for the sake of punishment but it has to have a "purpose". Either social rehabilitation or deterrence for either the perpetrator or the public.

@OdoneAngel

2 жыл бұрын

In the US he would have gotten more.. Europe sucks with these type of laws

@CJLOVE23

2 жыл бұрын

People in the US get more time for smoking weed than brutally killing someone. Absolutely tragic

That sentence is a disgrace. He changed his clothes, proves it was premeditated. Her family and friends are being made to continue to suffer.

@glory2yah51

2 жыл бұрын

You're correct. This is why so many people take the law in their own hands and exterminate people like him. Yet, they will give you 10-15 years for certain drugs under an once.

@cindyreynolds4045

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always thought that the UK and Canada and other European countries have relatively light sentences when it comes to murder no .matter how terrible the murders can be

@masonslie1146

2 жыл бұрын

@@cindyreynolds4045 I agree. I think they should be more severe when it comes to murder like the US does

@franklinwalker8005

2 жыл бұрын

@@masonslie1146 As long as the perpetrator isn't rich in the US. You remember OJ?

@rgb188

2 жыл бұрын

@@masonslie1146 agree, however, America is one of the most dangerous countries on the planet, so it isn't working.

I love the way when her parents talk about her they both light up, the mom can smile and the father too. This has to be so absolutely so terrible. Waking up everyday and reliving the reality you no longer have the number one thing you love in life. Having to deal with that daily, I cannot imagine. I'm so very sorry to Ellie's parents and friends. She was so absolutely beautiful ❤️.

The memorial her friends and teacher did for her brought me to tears once again. This story made me cry off and on but the memorial really did me in, and I 100% agree that he should have gotten life!

Kids that make adult decisions deserve adult consequences.

@LovenEverythingNails

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@char8059

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Amen.

@troycopeland5156

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@TangledTrueCrime

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!!

@fraukie1598

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't "Kill a person because she rejected me." not exactly call an "adult decision".

I think there were red flags. Tom's possessiveness and talk of marriage pointed to a controlling personality which is a red flag for domestic violence homicide.Regarding premeditation...he tried to cover up his crime by preempting conversation about the defensive scratches on his neck claiming them to be self inflicted.Strangulation is deliberate and takes considerable force and time.This is a dangerous young man.

@marthienel2190

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@cb3514

2 жыл бұрын

He also could have been suffering from severe fear of abandonment. With the recent death of his grandmother, and potential upcoming death of his father, this may have triggered a mental illness, possibly BPD, which brings on EXTREME instability often due to fear of abandonment. Left untreated, patients with BPD have been known to become excessively volatile and often viciously violent when triggered. This, of course, is not the case for all diagnosed with BPD, but these behaviors and actions are well documented within this illness.

@iandurfee3439

2 жыл бұрын

He will get out and reoffend. Sickening.

@Dca252

2 жыл бұрын

@@cb3514 I’m sorry but that’s a weak argument. I understand your point however borderline personality disorder is not a ‘mental desease’, it’s a personality disorder, the name spells it out. This guy is a full blown sociopath.

@cb3514

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dca252 I'm aware it's a cluster b and personality disorder. Regardless it was a potential short term explanation if this came out of nowhere. And your claim of sociopathy has less merit than my SUGGESTION of BPD. Neither have been diagnosed as far as we know, and BOTH are cluster b's that present similarly with traits of narcissism in the forefront. BPD was an off the cuff idea because of all the similar cluster b's, it has specific identifiers that stand out in this case.

The fact I was a troubled teen and KNOW there were many situations I shouldn't have made it out of makes me feel guilty because girls like Ellie always seem to meet the fate that I could have met. Fly high butterfly Ellie ❤️🦋

@CJLOVE23

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. The things I’ve done in my youth make me shutter in disgust. There were many times I put myself in situations where if I had worse luck, I’d be killed many times. Dangerous parts of town, dangerous men, rides home from strangers, drinking at clubs and leaving with people I’d just met. Now that I’m a mom, I’d be so upset if my kids did what I did. This case is so sad and my heart goes out to all the victims of horrible tragedies like this. She didn’t even put herself in harm’s way. No one deserves this, but this was majorly unnecessarily unthinkable. He was a trusted friend

@allthatjas00

2 жыл бұрын

@@CJLOVE23 same I'm a mom now too and it's just scary to think I had the best fate than most . Makes you think about somethings

@Treeofwysdm

2 жыл бұрын

Jas, glad you survived, lifting you up ✊🏾💜🌹

@alisonamiro2185

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you made it out of the situations you were in. Both of you ❤

@berlyngrey9242

2 жыл бұрын

We do dumb things in our youth. Definitely makes you worry for your children. We can't be present every moment of their lives so all we can do is instill good values and morals, love them, comfort them, listen to them and hope you've done enough of a job to watch them grow into amazing people. I have 3 kids and if they do half the stuff I did in my young years I'd probably never sleep solid ever again!

Only 12 years for murder? That is a horrendous injustice that was done to that beautiful girl. I wonder what that judge will say when he’s let out of jail and then kills again?

Premeditated murder isn't just killing. It is pure EVIL!

@bentheg9793

Жыл бұрын

Evil killing definitely

No parent should ever find a child, the way Ellie's dad found her. Heart-wrenching. The 12 year sentence is yet, another travesty. Guy's a psycho....people, take heed.

@CJLOVE23

2 жыл бұрын

I guarantee he’ll get in more trouble in prison and won’t get out in 12 years. And if he actually does, God help anyone who comes across him

@rachelleehrman3703

2 жыл бұрын

I’m quite sure the courts haven’t seen the last of him. He’ll kill again Abc his parents will again defend him for it

@lex2569

2 жыл бұрын

Oh he will for sure kill someone else

@abbysheyba8421

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a budding serial kiIIer to me

@kimgysen10

2 жыл бұрын

@@abbysheyba8421 I don't feel he fits the profile of a typical serial killer tbh. From all murder stories I've seen, this one seems like an impulse murder, not premeditated. Clearly has a problem with anger.

So heartbreaking! Her friends and parents seem like the sweetest people!The calmness and love they show is just so brave. Prayers for all affected by her passing.

He was such a happy, go-lucky chap with a charming personality and personable demeanor; there was absolutely no indication that anything was wrong. (shows picture of cold, calculating psychopath with dead, farm animal eyes and menacing, permanent scowl)

Such a tragic case. What a pathetic guy the boyfriend was, on top of being a complete psychopath to murder his ex simply because he couldn't handle the rejection of getting dumped. So disgusting. So every time something doesn't go his way he's going to murder the person? Hope he rots in jail and hope he gets a bit of karma from the other inmates there. Rip Ellie.

@ashleelarsen5002

2 жыл бұрын

I like your outfit pup pup :)

@SweetTooth8989

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleelarsen5002 hehe thank you

@ashleelarsen5002

2 жыл бұрын

@@SweetTooth8989 I need a dog, do you have a sister?

@SweetTooth8989

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleelarsen5002 aw, not available unfortunately. All the brothers and sisters were adopted last year. But the parents might have babies again, but I don't know for sure. It's a friend of mine that has the mom and dad and that I got my dog from.

@SweetTooth8989

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleelarsen5002 they've had two litters so far, so you never know, they might have a third some time soon.

So sad. This young lady was only 17 and able to recognize a toxic relationship without anyone telling her anything. So many people much older than her would never have been that smart. She no doubt would have been a very bright presence in society.

@yogabbagabba9145

2 жыл бұрын

Her parents raised her amazingly well, that’s why.

@kornbsblinkindazeevanmoomoobp

2 жыл бұрын

i got lucky i survived i was in a abusive toxic relationship luckily he never became a murder

@trixluck

2 жыл бұрын

@@kornbsblinkindazeevanmoomoobp he hasn't become one *yet and you're very lucky and smart for leaving. I know it doesn't feel "brave" but it takes a huge amount of courage, and I think it's something to be proud of yourself for.

@Ayyoub_Isa_Allen

2 жыл бұрын

😆😆😆

@dorothykioko3028

2 жыл бұрын

That is what came to mind cause at 24 year I couldn't recognize and thought was love when it was lovebombing. Each day I wish at school we were taught about toxic people. These people can destroy you.

The world lost a great future detective and a sweet horse's friend. Not only did he kill her but left her for her poor loving father to find (felt so much). I hope father and her mother for that matter is doing OK. So sorry for your loss. Thank God you had her and got her for so long. Keep going to his parole hearings and keep fighting for justice. Keep him locked away from other women.

It’s frightening to think how sick and disturbed this individual really is. His savage obsessive behavior snuffed out the life of a beautiful young lady who didn’t have a chance. God be with her sweet parents.

That moment when dad told mom; please drive carefully. What wasn't said but was felt, I couldn't bare to lose you too...

@donnadanielsen9411

2 жыл бұрын

It was so sweet

Kudos to those girls; to Ellie’s friends. Good for them for taking such a negative, horrible event and doing their best to turn it into a possible positive outcome for any girls in the future. Having self defense classes taught at school is a wonderful idea. That’s such a great initiative that Ellie’s friends thought of. What a great way to honor their friend. And, although a girl so loved could never die in vain, passing on a gift in her name is a beautiful way to make sure that her life will mean as much as it would’ve, had she gotten the chance to live it fully.

@chelseapthib36

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment is lovely!

@trinitypratt7034

2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely! Every person close to Ellie handled this way better than I could imagine and made a bad situation better

@mmsmart1014

2 жыл бұрын

They are good friends to have

@daveomacron4301

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@MedoAlqahtani505

2 жыл бұрын

Even with black belts no girl can beat a grown male

Impressed by the maturity and eloquence of her friends! That are some wonderfully brought up teenagers.

I burst into tears when they showed the memorial to her. My heart aches for her parents and dear friends who loved her so deeply.

I literally burst into tears when Ellie's parents described how they found their beloved daughter lying lifeless.... RIP Ellie

@thelightside77

Жыл бұрын

What sound did you make?

@ZNOM9

Жыл бұрын

@@thelightside77 you fail even trying to troll.

@thelightside77

Жыл бұрын

@@ZNOM9 Ok i get it now. You are trying to find all my comments. You missed one.

@sellbydate

Жыл бұрын

Me too 😢 Ignore Satan below

Such a beautiful young lady that was robbed of her entire adult life!!!

My heart bleeds for Ellie's family. When he is released after 121/2 years, he will still be young enough to start afresh with a long life ahead of him. This is grossly unfair. I wonder if that high court just would have been satisfied with this sentence if it his own child who had been murdered in that manner. This is very, very cruel and unfair.

@thelightside77

Жыл бұрын

It's not fair he went in jail in the first place. He removed her from life probably saving countless men in the process.

@summerjane9864

Жыл бұрын

@@thelightside77 excuse me sorry what does this even mean..?

@thelightside77

Жыл бұрын

@@summerjane9864 Don't waste my time with things you don't care about. You don't care so stop pretending.

Ellie's friends are truly dear. Her memorial is quite perfect and speaks to her memory so well.

I hope that her friends realize that recognizing that something is 'off' about a person is not 'judging,' it's using your sixth sense and it can save your life or the life of your friend. This boy put quite a bit of thought into trying to get away with murdering this young lady, thankfully not enough to get away with it.

@hi.moriarty

2 жыл бұрын

There's been so many times I've not listened to that voice inside of myself for my own life....and for what I saw in others' relationshps. I don't ignore any longer. I've also taught my son to listen to it and call it out. The worst thing that is gonna happen (in your friendship) by doing it is that someone is going to be pissed off at you because they are on denial. Okay, may be not the worst. I'm sorry. That's wrong. You can also become a target yourself. That happened to me. But I still didn't change...I still called out the person. Never again will I be silent.

@acreymundo

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness that’s so true. I tell my grandchildren to always trust their sixth sense.

@dominiquexo4772

2 жыл бұрын

Right but some of those “people” are not not always killers

@andreahailey7399

2 жыл бұрын

@@dominiquexo4772 they may not be killers but they usually give off bad vibes because they're bad company. We're not talking about someone just being shy or awkward, We're talking about red flags

@LONEWOLF-rq5tl

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is that if you murder someone close to you or that you've contact with regularly then you'll be one of the main suspects the police will look at if not the the main suspect period,as you should be. Some people don't think about that and then other PATHETIC evil murderers just don't care whatsoever!

I wonder if the judge would be so lenient if it had been his daughter who was murdered.

@LovenEverythingNails

2 жыл бұрын

Oh of course not... he would've been sentenced in the same way an adult would've been.

@BeRightBack131

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo! I wonder if any judge would be so lenient (and there are many who are way too lenient) if it was THEIR family member - daughter, son, wife, sister, mother, father, etc who was murdered, or brutally attacked and survived? I've often thought these judges should be forced to endure what the families endure, either by forced to spend 2 weeks with the victim's family on the immediate aftermath, or in some way attend grief counseling sessions or something.

@heatherleonard6841

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@wickedlee664

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeRightBack131 yeah, that’s why we don’t let………sigh…never mind.

@solus8685

2 жыл бұрын

They wouldn't even be allowed to judge a personal case

The moment her mom recalled the letter from the student that didn’t know her, tears definitely started to well up hard. Her crying, the kindness of the student, and the genuine effect that this girl had on people; it was all just very emotional…heartbreaking and heartwarming at the same time.

It's amazing that men have ever said women are "too emotional" to ever be in positions of power. Imagine throwing the biggest fit ever because someone decides they just want different things than you, then taking their life. I'm convinced men are the overly emotional ones.

@CT-vm4gf

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the Shayna Hubers case?

@thelightside77

Жыл бұрын

Who says you have an opinion

12 years for stabbing someone to death. That’s a slap on the wrist. Where is the justice in that??

@trudijones6973

2 жыл бұрын

Evil as those eyes are, he will be killing again when he's released! Pure evil!

@iandurfee3439

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, I don’t think the family got any justice. 12 years is just degrading imo.

@mariella2884

2 жыл бұрын

I swear there is one thing the U.S gets correct and it's appropriate sentencing options for murder. I've seen so many cases in European countries where both youth and adult killers are not even given 25 years. It's so flawed and dangerous that there is little chance of getting "life" for these disturbing crimes.

@kristinebailey6554

2 жыл бұрын

Liberal governments always sympathize with the criminal, not the innocent victim. Canada is the same.

@karenkelly1901

2 жыл бұрын

No justice , you get that for affray , that's pure Evil , & a bullcrap , take a life do a life ,he new what he was doing ,😈 .... Rip Elle🌻

My heart absolutely breaks for Ellie's friends and family. You can hear all the pain in her parents voices when they talk about that day. . .

@LaurenJourney

2 жыл бұрын

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Tom has dead eyes. R.I.P Ellie. Sincerest condolences to her family and friends. What a tragic loss of a promising young life.

Ellie sounded like a lovely young woman who made lots of peoples lives better, even with a smile. God bless her, the family and her friends 🖤

12 years for taking away her entire life? He's young but it was such an awful crime... He'll get to live out most of his adult life.

@dougchance8891

2 жыл бұрын

Ren 12 years- what a F-ing joke. He should have been jailed for the rest of his rotten life. Premeditated- from the moment he was rejected.

@goodnight3379

2 жыл бұрын

It basically validates what he did - and he’ll always have the mindset of he can murder and only get a slap on the wrist- death penalty

@samy2441

2 жыл бұрын

He should at least serve the amount of years that she lived

@iandurfee3439

2 жыл бұрын

12 years is a shame. When he gets out, there will be another victim. He will absolutely kill again

@sybillamula

2 жыл бұрын

He'll definately kill again

He has a mean case of murderface.... it just oozes creep.

Incredibly sad. I feel for Ellie’s parents & friends. Ellie was well loved by everyone & that’s a wonderful legacy for one so young

Degrees, being a prefect, sportsmen, awards received, academic scores and financial status should never be an indicator of "innocence". It has been proven many times that ANY person of ANY social or financial standing could be a killer. This is a great profile actually as the fact that he obtained prestige in sports and academics made him entitled.

His mother was a special education teacher and not trained in diagnosing sociopaths. RIP Ellie this is all on the sociopath who thought he deserved whatever he wanted.

@cindyreynolds4045

2 жыл бұрын

Yep some are born without a conscience, just as some are born without arms or legs or deformed, these people are missing a chip when it comes to feelings towards others including animals. House pets are usually the first to suffer at the hands of these monsters when they are children and then as they get older it’s people. These people cannot be rehabilitated for there is nothing to rehabilitate

@ellamayoxoxo9510

2 жыл бұрын

Why would a special Ed teacher be able to diagnose sociopathic behavior? 🤔 not being smart, genuine question

@Somegirl811

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellamayoxoxo9510 basically people would like to blame his parents for raising a crazy kid, but the comment is saying that's not fair because she was just a teacher and shouldn't have been expected to predict this horrible outcome.

@cb3514

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellamayoxoxo9510 you're right, they wouldn't. Special education teachers are not psychologists, psychiatrists, nor diagnosticians. We aren't educated and trained to recognize, diagnose and treat mental illnesses. Our education and specialty falls more in line with recognizing and working with students who have neurological conditions and/or learning difficulties/discrepancies.

@iandurfee3439

2 жыл бұрын

@@Somegirl811 agree! No one could have predicted this outcome.

Looking at that picture of him, he looks very capable of the evil he committed. Just like mom said “spoiled monster.” 12 years? What kind of justice is that? I guess I’m just used to hearing 25 to life.

@davidrele

2 жыл бұрын

It's because he wasn't an adult, I know Corrupt America loves to give children life, especially black children. But in actual civilized countries, children don't get 25 to life. Luckily, emotional people like you aren't in charge of the justice system.

@crazycatlady323

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidrele a psychopath will be let loose on other people, your justice system sucks

@darkallegiance666

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidrele It was emotional people ie people with emotions, who put together the justice system, you dork. By the way - “especially black children” - bit overly-emotional of you isn’t it? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@davidrele

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazycatlady323 About 1% of the population has psychopathy, they aren't all in jail. So yes, we shouldn't lock up people for being psychopathic, that's not a crime. And there is no proof this boy is a psychopath, not all murderers are automatically psychopaths. BTW, I'm not trying to excuse this murderer..

@derhorror9787

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazycatlady323 kinda weird how the us has such an incredibly high murder rate despite the punishment and terrible prisons you have over there, maybe your justice system isn‘t as good as you think lol

The memorial is beautiful. A reminder of how people cared for this young woman. Every victim is someone’s loved one.

I dont know how the parents kept their cool. I woulda been going apeshit crazy

So the teen who first planned it, then went and murdered his girlfriend, then mutilated her dead body and then tried to cover it up will be released from prison before he is even thirty years old. In that case, let us all hope against our better judgement that he has had a proper therapy and grown mature in there, and that he will proceed to live a peaceful life from then on. Otherwise, the system will have unleashed a very angry, revengeful monster on that traumatized community. God almighty...

@cindyreynolds4045

2 жыл бұрын

There is no rehabbing a psychopath, he is missing the part of the brain which houses empathy and sympathy for other human beings. He is dangerous and WILL do this again one day when someone doesn’t give him what he wants or gets in his way. Damn shame European courts can give someone such a light sentence for murder, more like the kind of sentence you would get for drug charges.

@angelathompson7411

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. No rehabilitation for an evil demon like that

@marysea1558

2 жыл бұрын

I feel worried for the women this monster will meet. They are potential victims😔

She was smarter, brighter and more brilliant than him. He knew he'd never be good enough for her so killed her to stop her moving on and being happy. He won't be "better" in 12 years. Her poor parents ❤

@optimalscore

2 жыл бұрын

Pure narcissist!!!

@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826

2 жыл бұрын

Yet she chased him and was ecstatic when they got together?

@marysea1558

2 жыл бұрын

@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 And????Why blaming the victim?She was a teen who had been dreaming of being Thomas' girlfriend for a while but without knowing he was a narcissist so obviously when they got together she felt ecstatic but after only 3 months she was clever enough to find out their relation was toxic.

@fine100

2 жыл бұрын

@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 Yep the original commenter is purely coping.

@ismth

2 жыл бұрын

@@fine100 pointing out this dude was insecure and unstable isn’t coping…. you sus af

This beautiful young lady was blessed with an incredibly wonderful group of dedicated friends and family. My heart breaks for them.

From how her family and friends described her, you can tell what an easygoing, happy and cheerful girl Ellie was and everywhere she go it's just gonna be positive vibes all around. Losing someone who bring so much joy in your life, I can't imagine the pain. When her mom said you wake up and that's the first thing you think of, carrying the pain throughout the day. That breaks my heart.

What an absolute shame such a beautiful young life lost. A message to all women. If a guy is possessive it's a major red flag. It may not lead to this outcome but possessiveness will NEVER lead to a healthy relationship. Condolences to friends & family R.I.P 🙏 x

@blipsangit2068

2 жыл бұрын

Ellie recognised a toxic relationship early at the age of 17, she would have become a beautiful strong lady.

@Danielle-ii8zc

2 жыл бұрын

So true 💔

@-KMA-

2 жыл бұрын

So true, please get out when they start trying to tell you what to do or manipulate you….

@TangledTrueCrime

2 жыл бұрын

She broke up with him almost as soon as she saw it. I don’t know what she could have done differently.

@Magna_Carta5

2 жыл бұрын

@@TangledTrueCrime I don’t think they are trying to say she could have prevented it had she got out earlier, more just trying to warn those that see the signs and ignore what their instincts might be telling them. What I mean is I don’t think the comment was criticism of Ellie at all, which is how I am guessing you might have interpreted it. It’s just tragic :(

So very sad, Its everyones worst nightmare to find someone you love harmed or murdered. My heart goes out to Ellies parents especially her father. That very disturbed boy has ruined so many lives, not just his own. I was more shocked that he only received a twelve and a half year sentence, no justice at all.

@jackdennis3626

2 жыл бұрын

I just can't imagine the pain of the parents I feel sorry for the parents

@ameilaroberts2582

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdennis3626 ßli

@pjay951

2 жыл бұрын

They are old enough to know what they are doing, disturbed or not. Life for life, they should be executed. It may serve to discourage others from doing the same .

@dougchance8891

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjay951 Publicly executed. How about at the matches of lower division football teams. That would boost the crowds. Life- for taking a Life- is the only correct sentence.

@JojoplusBo

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjay951 .. I agree 💯% … western judicial system is too soft… it needs to “ toughen up”. You can get put away in jail 7-14 years in Australia … in some states if you own a toy gun! 12 years for murder is a vulgar insult to Ellie’s parents- disgraceful sentence!🤬😡

A huge thank you to these parents for sharing their painful story so other parents can be aware of their children’s friends. There are monsters out there. This story will help a lot of people. My heart is sore for this family.

Ellie and her friends are all so pretty. She should’ve been able to grow up with them and live the life she wanted. 😔

Mr. & Mrs. Gould & Ellie's friends seem incredibly strong and are a living testament to a young lady whose life was too short, yet beautiful and bright enough to make such a positive impact on them. The immense tragedy lies in the unfulfilled potential. Blessings & love to all who suffered and will continue to learn how to live with the pain.

Really hope her parents can stay together! Too many people that lose kids break up when they should be each other’s strength. That boy should get life!!

@colleenkerr4237

2 жыл бұрын

Agree!!!!

@rickgarza1823

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Death within no more than two years be executed. All appeals denied. Swift Justice.

@AnneOhn123

2 жыл бұрын

What a stupid comment.

@anthonyrivas4377

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnneOhn123 why?

@marthienel2190

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I am fearing. Too often when children are lost, the grief and despair is so overwhelming that the parents are unable to comfort and help each other, with each parent turning inward,. Over the years, the loneliness and solitude turns the marriage turns into an empty shell, and divorce follows. And in this case the final tragedy was that, I believe, she was their only child. So that glue of other children is not there. Let's hope they beat the statistics.

Imagine the pain the parents must feel.. Heartbreaking 💔

@mikedenison121

2 жыл бұрын

Such a tragedy

"I didn't really know Ellie, but whenever she passed me at the corridor she always smiled and I wasn't a confident person but it made my day."

Her mother and father tore my heart out while recounting that day. God be with them.

12.5 years?!?!? That’s it??? This poor girl had so much potential and it was taken away so brutally. 💜

@hildajuma3236

2 жыл бұрын

There are things we did that when we think of in retrospect, look incredibly stupid. If the killer ex was, say 25, maybe he could have been more emotionally mature and handle things differently. I think its why the judges gave him the benefit of doubt. I've seen terrible kids who turn out to be really good people. But not defending the killer. It was completely uncalled for.

@NoorAB23

Жыл бұрын

@@hildajuma3236 If we can't bring the victim back than we should not care if he matures or not that is very irrelevant. All of us have been young and rejected yet we did not become killers so we should stop justifying crime.

@LadyAstarionAncunin

Жыл бұрын

He'll be out doing it again. He took her life so brutally, a young woman who posed him no risk. But they think he should be allowed to do it again? The U.K. "justice" system just fails and fails and fails.

That memorial and quote really brought me to tears. Such a bright light snuffed out like that is heartbreaking.

I got out of a relationship when I was 19 and pregnant. The father was emotionally abusive as well as possessive. When I ended it my parents and his parents took his side so I didn’t really have anyone to turn to but being so young and expecting a baby I just knew in my gut if I don’t end it something bad would happen to me. Everyone around me is still pissed at my decision.

@kyaos_Meteor

2 жыл бұрын

Forget everyone especially your jackass of en ex and your crappy parents,I also hope you and your baby are thriving healthy and happily you made the right decision to leave.

@marianatoledo2810

2 жыл бұрын

Girl I’m proud of you for leaving an abusive man! He could have hurt your child. Thank you for being strong and leaving and not staying with a loser like that. You and your child deserve better

@LadyAstarionAncunin

Жыл бұрын

Good on you for getting away and obeying your gut. So, so, so many people don't and it costs them dearly. Intuition is really your subconscious adding things up that aren't right. It's noting those red flags that your conscious mind might ignore or downplay. You're a smart woman. Good luck to you.

I just heard the sentence of 12 1/2 years and I literally yelled out loud, “WHAT!?!?” That is is SO wrong. Crazy

He looks cold and remorseless. He was obviously not accustomed to being told “no”. I partially blame his parents for that. He should be in jail for the rest of his natural life.

@bettyvargo9923

2 жыл бұрын

Why should we the taxpayer support this pos after he took a life..his life should end immediately, his parents should pay all expenses for the young ladies burial expenses too. Poor poor parenting..my condolences to the girls parents and family.

@RC-iq2hh

2 жыл бұрын

Most kids today are not being told no at home. I rarely see it. Parents are desperate for to be the children’s friends vs actual parenting.

@joanna0988

2 жыл бұрын

@@RC-iq2hh I have 3 kids. My kids get told no often but I usually explain why (when they can reason) and they understand. Being strict and not allowing kids to feel heard can also cause these issues because kids rebel.

@RC-iq2hh

2 жыл бұрын

@@joanna0988 that’s fine and well but the fact of the matter are children are overly coddled these days. This is the reason this young man could not take even basic rejection . Most people raised well know better. I am sure this was not the first time this boy exhibited angry behavior when he didn’t get his way. I noticed his parents /family are nowhere to be found on this doc.

@joanna0988

2 жыл бұрын

@@RC-iq2hh Young men not taking rejection well is not new at all. My generation was hit and disciplined constantly and I've had many experiences with men becoming abusive when I turn them down or broke up with them. Thankfully I've been with my husband for 17 years but one of my daughter's is almost at a dating age and the boys seem calmer nowadays.

So very happy to see you are feeling better. Excited to study this chapter. God bless you and Luis and the kids

She sounded like a wonderful girl and what wonderful friend she has

Her parents are handling their grief amazingly. The integrity they carry themselves with is beyond my understanding. At the same time it doesn’t seem like the boys mother could be held responsible for what he did. Even if she worked with troubled kids, he wasn’t showing homicidal red flags. Plus, at the time her family was in turmoil, her husband was going through chemo and she’s raising a teenage son.

Lots of murderers are not shy or reserved they should stop stigmatizing being a quiet person as a sign

This is dreadful, so sad and made me tear up. As a father i could not imagine going through this. You are both so brave to share this. Thank you.

seems like Ellie was surrounded by beautiful, loving, and caring people. My heart hurts for them.

His eyes says it all. How lovely and sweet she was. How brave her family and friends are. So lovely of her friends and teacher to create that tombstone and self defense course in her memory. May they all find peace and healing. 😞🙏

Parents MUST teach their sons, from a very young age, that rejection is a part of life; specifically they aren’t entitled to someone’s affections.

@wickedlee664

2 жыл бұрын

Ah………we…..oh never mind. Forget it.

@cipryan96

2 жыл бұрын

Teach girls too

@hallievanoutryve3109

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@hallievanoutryve3109

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Elliot Rodgers and other incel killers. The sense of entitlement to women bc they are ‘nice guys’

@baheejawilliams1651

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

i love the parents.. to speak bout this💯

6:27 The mother's face starts happy because of happy memories, and ends sad because she knows that its the only memories she will ever have.

My heart goes out to them. I can't imagine what you could feel like losing your baby girl in such a manner.

Parents are just unimaginably brave beyond words. I couldn't ever imagine i couldn't fathom.

My heart goes to the family and friends. I can't imagine how hard it is for the people that lost ellie.

At 18, he got 12 yrs, IF he serves all 12 he'll be out at 30, still, lots of time to get married have kids, and still have a great life, Justice is truly blind. Prayers for her family.

I don’t know what kind of a person the mother of the murderer is, but if she is a normal mother who tried her best with her child, imagine the situation she must be in now. Lost a child and blamed for not preventing the murder, together with the situation she was already in. Naturally, I don’t want to downplay the situation of the victims, the pain they must be in is unimaginable to me.

@kamy6389

2 жыл бұрын

he was 17, at that age people drive so they can understand right from wrong i don't understand people who blame the parent

@marthienel2190

2 жыл бұрын

Yes , but her son is warm and breathing, she can visit him and help plan his future on release from prison. Which will be before his 30th birthday. I spare my sympathy for the victim's mother.

@debrawilliams1287

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100% you can't control your childrens actions after the teen years. They keep things from you. You don't know everything they are doing. They only tell you what they want you to know. I have 2 sons 1 22 years old and 1 18 years old. I have done everything I can to insure they are good young men. I would be heart broken if they do anything like this. You can only prey you are never in a situation like this one.

@mommyisla

2 жыл бұрын

I agree I bet both families are really stressed and sad

@Noname11364

2 жыл бұрын

@@marthienel2190 if you are only capable of limited sympathy, that isn’t something I would brag about.

such lovely girls, all of them. As mum to a teen I can't even think about the possibility of losing my girl to a psycho that was even inside my home, as her boyfriend, somebody that has being treated well.

I was gonna close out of this video but your intro was so captivating !! Well done

What a beautiful memorial. I was able to hold back my tears until I saw that foal and heard the words engraved on it.

This guy is so sick to ruin two families. Take that poor girl’s life away like that. Her poor parents I can’t imagine.

Well, listen. My step-dad is a psychotherapist who missed the signs, a few times, that my mom was dissociating. Have you ever heard ‘doctors make the worst patients’? Someone can completely miss what they look for everyday in their own family members. It’s a perspective thing, they are too close too see the signs, or changes. It happens more often than you think, unfortunately. So don’t blame his mom too harshly.

@trinitypratt7034

2 жыл бұрын

I don't blame the mom at all, Like one guy said, with his athletisim he probably learned how to hide emotions. I blame him not his mother

@LichtdesMorgens

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my mom has a PhD in Psychology and never figured out that I am autistic and have ADHD.

@change_your_oil_regularly4287

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree 👍 I was going to write the same thing. A lot of people seem to always blame the parents. In a lot of cases it may be true but it's not an absolute. Bad kids do happen to loving caring parents. Ted Bundy one of the worlds most infamous killers for one. There is no evidence he had a bad home life or anything other than a "normal" childhood.

When her friend talks about the memorial foal lying in the flowers I absolutely lost it. My heart breaks for her parents and friends. What a waste of such a beautiful life .

Such sweet friends - sounds like Ellie touched the lives of everyone she encountered. My heart truly goes out to her parents.

As a mother of two daughters this is extremely disturbing. The poor parents and her darling friends . 😥 12 years? Atrocious !! He should have gotten life, and no parole.

@Zeegoku1007

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

I’m not a mother, but I just can’t imagine what parents go through, the deep pain of losing a child. Especially in such a brutal, horrific way! Why are there such evil people in this world? My heart goes out to Ellie’s parents. ❤️ 😢

@geniehinseth512

Жыл бұрын

Somehow he was raised to feel ENTITLED. I agree with you 100%. I'm not a parent either but I try to have real empathy and sympathy for all who suffer unjustly.

@geniehinseth512

Жыл бұрын

Remember her friends too. They grieve that loss too.

My admiration and total respect to the parents of Ellie, how dignified and in control of their emotions they are.

The person with rage in their hearts are the ones able ro kill like that.

My heart goes out to Ellie’s family 😔🙏 My middle finger goes out to the justice system 😡

@KomatsuHB215LC-1

Жыл бұрын

and thomas.

@berniceleblanc515

Жыл бұрын

🙏

My heart goes out to Ellie’s family and friends, she was an absolutely beautiful young woman who would have been an inspiration to everyone around her. And as far as the dude who took her life- he should have been treated as an adult and gotten an adult sentence for his adult crime. Who cares what good marks he made at school, he made bad choices and he should have to pay for them for as long as he lives. Prayers to Ellie’s family and friends, from Tennessee ❤️❤️❤️

@dominiquexo4772

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@kmaterne

2 жыл бұрын

Ellie's family received a life sentence, so should he.

@Valoelify

2 жыл бұрын

@@dominiquexo4772 What's funny ?

@dominiquexo4772

2 жыл бұрын

@@Valoelify did I tag you?

@LadyAstarionAncunin

Жыл бұрын

People care way too much about stuff like that. If anything, it shows that he had something to lose but didn't care, which makes him even more dangerous. I was going to say that it's a British thing to care so much about that, but then I remember all the American college bros who've gotten away with SA, violence, and taking people's lives because some judge who was likely just like them in college thought they should still have a chance at a normal life.

Violence is a very real British problem. As a Brit, I have lived in Italy, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the Philippines. I have never felt nervous walking around in those countries, even late at night. The only times when I have been attacked by a stranger were in my home town of Bournemouth - twice. A punch in the face, and a kick between the legs, for no reason except those morons felt like doing it! Britain is s seriously sick society! God bless Ellie and her parents!

" Is the tragedy of a young man..." please stop it, sir!