Welp. In the rush of getting this done at 2 in the morning. I forgot the most basic edit. The intro music. Weeeeell, it makes it more… ominous?

@thegreattotemaster

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair though, there is a lot - and I mean *A LOT* - of terrible behaviour associated with D&D and other roleplaying games. And I mean... you've literally made an entire career out of reading such horror stories. :P

@chidorisnake22

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreattotemaster While this is true, a lot of that behavior is from people that were just terrible to begin with. All the game does is expose that terribleness.

@wulfbak

2 жыл бұрын

did you say someone left this on your door? This literature is clearly from around 1981-82. You'd think that the angry reactionaries could at least update their materials.

@Mr.Spongecake

2 жыл бұрын

Almost makes this whole video seem... ... satanic...

@Icalasari

4 ай бұрын

Wait, I thought that WAS the reason

I love how terrifying they try to portray the game, meanwhile in the last session I ran my party made a slip-n-slide and accomplished the paladin’s goal of befriending a werebear. Truly the most evil of actions

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

My Tiefling warlock once seduced a Minotaur. Why should bards have all the fun?

@Wytch1

2 жыл бұрын

Befriending a werebear?!?!?! *Clutching pearls intensifies*

@pLanetstarBerry

2 жыл бұрын

My players went out of their way to play matchmaker for a couple of NPCs, because "you gave them both sad backstories and they sound like they have a great dynamic from how you voice them, and they deserve to be happy." The NPCs are dating now. I love my players so much and I don't know what I did to deserve such wholesomeness.

@LanternsLight

2 жыл бұрын

Oh the horror!

@jonathanfellows7868

2 жыл бұрын

My Teifling cleric once befriend a kobold and produced to adopt said kobold, and! We got a wish scroll and turned the kobold into a dragon

Youth Director for a church here…. I just love the priorities of these Karen’s. “You know what is plaguing our kids? Mental illness? -No Bullying?- No Anxiety?- No way ITS THIS 20 SIDED DEMON DICE!!!!!”

@quasi8180

2 жыл бұрын

Based

@windwalker7154

Жыл бұрын

You, my good sir, are doing god's work... litteraly I guess.

@cameronb851

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the priorities a bizarre sometimes. When Neverwinter Nights (the D&D based computer RPG) came out I remember coming across some fervent churchy dad on a forum, bemoaning the fact that the game was tainted by a 'brothel', which made it 'impossible' for him to play with his daughter and he was urging that the offending location be removed, so that fathers everywhere could safely enjoy murdering random people/creatures, without being concerned they might accidently get hit with a mouthful of stray vag or wang out of nowhere. Okay, I'm extrapolating a bit, but he was really asking in the Moonstone Mask brothel could be removed so that he didn't need to worry about his daughter being exposed to ... something? I pointed out that you couldn't just wander in and accidently start some sexy time frivolity without realising where you were going. To even get into the area with the consorts you had to do a quest thing involving stealing and killing, so yeah, no moral quandary there. Also it was pretty clear before you got into the area, where you were going and even once you were there, it was a fade to black if you actually kept going. You wake up after the black screen and you are unclothed, but not naked as the game had no default nude model. So basically you and the consort were just in underwear and they were still asleep. All of this is the crescendo after about an hour and a half of preliminary stuff to get to the point you could access the fun times and you had to make about three different choices, clearly indicating where you were going. There was no accidental way to end up doing this. I also pointed out that it was odd that he didn't seem at all concerned about the fact that the same establishment had a gladiatorial fighting ring in the basement where you could fight for money. And he seemed entirely unperturbed by a later quest line that strongly suggested a young human teen girl was kept as a unwilling sex slave by some orcs (I think it was Orcs or Half Orcs. Some demi human bandits/creatures). Apparently because you could solve that issue by killing them that was a job well done sticker, rather than a how will I explain this to my tween daughter situation.

@elends2302

8 ай бұрын

Super late post but "20-Sided Demon Dice" would be an awesome band name.

@B.E.N_

4 ай бұрын

Well it is plaguing many wallets so I guess they're close?

First Karen: "Their character could live forever, and that's bad." Second Karen: "Their character could die within the first 10 minutes in game, and that's bad!"

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

DM: Your character is dead! Me: Well crap. 😲 Good thing I have fifteen other characters rolled up. 😁

Karen having a mental breakdown while my Half-Orc Barbarian cries because he's too strong to pick a flower without crushing it: "This is evil, we must destroy this."

“Unnatural characters like goblins, halflings, and thieves” *my car gets broken into* MAGIC IS REAL

@realdragon

2 жыл бұрын

But dragons are real just like Bible described

"Strange and unnatural characters! Like Goblins, halflings and ... THIEVES!" This made me burst out laughing. Oh yes, thieves, the most unnatural magical creature of them all. How terrifying a supernatural world would be where thieves exist!

@ZorotheGallade

2 жыл бұрын

"Yeah I know you're a dragon and I should be impressed but dude, that guy just stole a laptop"

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

Thieves!? I'm clutching my pearls.

@dragonix8527

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, thieves... My favorite race.

We'd get anti-dnd pamphlets on halloween in our buckets from churches and boi howdy did telling me i could learn REAL WITCHCRAFT from dnd make me want to play more.

@cosmicspacething3474

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly they don’t know about paladins.

@nanotfound1042

2 жыл бұрын

@@cosmicspacething3474 honestly at this point i expect them to say something akin to 'Paladins are still bad because they aren't worshipping the true lord Jesus christ'

@kalebb1226

2 жыл бұрын

@@nanotfound1042 so they want to put jesus christ into a fictional game with fictional gods?

@dizthefrizz8766

Жыл бұрын

Glad someone else said this... not seen this propaganda before and I'm about to ask my DM where my irl magic is 🤣🤣🤣

@ratboy2

Жыл бұрын

ikr- hearing that just made me want to play d&d 💅

In all seriousness though, massive respect to Crispy for cutting out the parts of the second post dismissing the mental health of teens. You love to see levels of respect like this.

These people were all so afraid of the "damage" done by people spending time pretending to be made-up characters. They must have lost their minds when they found out actors exist.

@greyblade23

2 жыл бұрын

I was a gamer in high-school during the Satanic Panic. It was insane watching the religious fundamentalists lose their s**t about a game. We couldn't talk openly with each other in public about D&D. If we were reading D&D books in school, they'd get confiscated and destroyed. My friend Paul's mother burned his entire stack of gaming materials (including a 1st edition Deities & Demigods - ouch). She destroyed something around $300 to 400 dollars worth of materials, not to mention the literally priceless homemade maps, campaign notes, character sheets, etc. At the time, I was volunteering at the public library children's department. The department head wanted to know if I could run a campaign there at the library. Yeah, guess how far that got in a conservative small town. Even though the D&D books were in the adult section of the library (794.19 - games) they'd get "lost" or 'accidentally' damaged beyond repair at least five or six times a year.

@TriaMaxwell

2 жыл бұрын

What about the damage done by Christard beliefs? Atheists don't have a 2K year history of rape, slavery and genocide

@minnion2871

2 жыл бұрын

@@TriaMaxwell Atheisim is also pretty new relatively speaking if I am not mistaken... Give it time, people will probably justify those same atrocities with "Science"...

@TriaMaxwell

2 жыл бұрын

@@minnion2871 Atheists, like gays or trans have always been around.... We just don't have to worry about getting killed for it in the US now.

@minnion2871

2 жыл бұрын

@@TriaMaxwell Perhaps, but that still doesn't rule out the possibility of Atheists persecuting others for not sharing their beliefs.... (Belief in a god is not a necessity for people to give into tribalistic tendencies... Case in point politics in general.)

"Mind bondage spell" holy shit her first spell was at level two already

@sparklefulpaladin

2 жыл бұрын

Charm Person? ;)

@mgtowchampion7961

2 жыл бұрын

Mind bondage ? Wow D.N.D. has gone x rated.

The Satanic Panic against D&D makes as much sense as calling DOOM Devil worship and I wish I was kidding.

@xionkuriyama5697

2 жыл бұрын

Doom was made by Mormons who picke demons as the enemies because what could be more holy than killing demons?

@audiblek

2 жыл бұрын

You know... I have family who would say something like "It's satanic because you can't kill demons. It's misleading people" . I wish I was kidding

@BGrimoire

2 жыл бұрын

@@audiblek based on my direct experience with fanatic christianism, bending the rules is fair game as far as you are not agreeing with "those people"

@joaocolisse6097

2 жыл бұрын

My grandma loved playing Doom, she said it was good because you killed demons 😂

Clarification; Diana is the Roman goddess of the hunt and has become synonimous with witchcraft by being lucky enough to be the only pagan god named in the new testiment.

@peterwindhorst5775

2 жыл бұрын

and some nutbar used it as a basis for "Aradia, the Gospel of Witches." In a review of the Aradia, it is all bunk as a way to justify the "witch cult hypothesis".

@Wytch1

2 жыл бұрын

Diana in Roman pantheon and Artemis in Greek pantheon. Either way, this comic is utterly ridiculous and frightening to know that people out there still believe this crap.

I mean D&D can teach you math and make it fun, that’s hard task.

@harrygunter6805

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention critical thinking, problem solving, communication, and that’s only as a player.

@Mad_Scientist_IRL

2 жыл бұрын

I guess making kids like math takes some serious witchcraft.

It's funny hearing them talking about "Overidentification" with your PC, because from what I understand, D&D back in the '80s was a lot more kill happy with PCs Also, Character death = kicked from the game? That's almost never how it's worked One last thing...Jack T. Chick thought the literature of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien were Anti-Christian. Chew on that for a moment

@chaos4654

2 жыл бұрын

Can't really win with a lot of these people or similar. >depicts aspects of your own religion in your art or stories. >evangelicals/fundamentalists/conservatives/or whoever get really angry about it. >doesn't depict aspects of your religion in your work. >those people from earlier get angry about it.

@Michaeljack81sk

2 жыл бұрын

He'd have had a heart attack if he saw the state of current day gaming, Critical Role would be the end of him...

@arthurwkm

2 жыл бұрын

bruh aslan is literally jesus

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

C. S. Lewis, the guy who wrote Mere Christianity (a good read if you're a Christian, BTW) is anti-Christian? Jack Chick was an idiot.

@jaycraw6978

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharlesGriswold I played a dnd campaign based loosely off The Screw tape Letters, fanfreakingtastic game!!!

The comic is real it's called Dark Dungeon and it's one of the Chick Tracts, a comic collection full of homophobia, antisemitism, fearmongering and a lot of other types of biggotry. Altough they are so full of prejudice that is kinda funny

@jdrgaster4745

2 жыл бұрын

Just a reminder that it got made into a movie

@diegorodrigues9528

2 жыл бұрын

A satirical movie that is really funny and can be watched for free here on youtube.

@Michaeljack81sk

2 жыл бұрын

They were the Westboro Baptist church of their day

@cosmicspacething3474

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes

@TheAjcostello5672

2 жыл бұрын

Somewhere in the boxes of super old books and things from our childhood that are stuffed up in my brother's attic is at least one copy of one of those Chick Tracts. I wonder if it'd be a valuable collector's item someday? LOL

As a Christian and an avid player of DnD, I feel the need to point out that this whole thing is nonsense. This pamphlet is more in conflict with Christian teachings than anything published by Wizards of the Coast (or Paizo). What's more: my father is Methodist pastor, with several years of education in theology. He found no issue with the game whatsoever, and happily opened his home to hosting games while I was in high school. I know it's probably obvious that this is a fringe case of lunatics, but I felt I'd be lacking in my duty to my faith if I didn't speak up in opposition to this behavior, which unlike an innocent fantasy game, is actually heretical.

@Michaeljack81sk

2 жыл бұрын

That Pamphlet was produced by Chick Tracts and if i recall their favorite target was the Catholic Church. Hopefully most people know that isn't the primary Christian view of D&D

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

Jack Chick did Christianity as a whole a massive disservice. Jesus had little tolerance for hateful or spiteful behavior from people who wrap themselves in the cloak of religion.

@Michaeljack81sk

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharlesGriswold Yep, the guy was full of hate and lies. I could have excused ignorance but the guy must have Known he was peddling bullshit and I've no more time for him than the grifters and hustlers of social media today

@sparklefulpaladin

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I play D&D with friends from Bible study. Not only is it a great way to relax, but we’ve also gotten to know each other better through gaming.

@Kobe379

2 жыл бұрын

Yep a group of us from the church I go to, including my pastors son, all play DnD

With 40 hours a week they’ll be blazing through campaigns by the week and will make new characters by the week

@alexinfinite7142

2 жыл бұрын

THEY MAY EVEN FINISH ONE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN!

@peterwindhorst5775

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexinfinite7142 Or show up when scheduled! Gasp! Witchcraft, truely!

@alexinfinite7142

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterwindhorst5775 🤣

I was a teenager in the 1980s, so I remember all of this first hand. The same sorts of human garbage who went after D&D also went after video games. One of their targets was my favorite series of video games from the time: Ultima. As was noted in this video, they also went after rock music. They were especially horrified by the genre of music now known as "hair metal." Hair metal is over the top and exhibits its fair share of cringe, but it is completely harmless. Self-righteous fools observed some weird-looking musicians and naturally saw the malign influence of, well... who could it be? Maybe... SATAN? It is no wonder that the satirical Church Lady skits were a popular feature on Saturday Night Live. Of course, it gets far worse. These vile cretins also made up the existence of Satanic child abuse cults and manipulated children into making false accusations of abuse, which scarred these children for life and ruined the lives of those who were falsely accused. I think this is what finally broke the Satanic panic of the time; once it became clear to even the zombified hordes of dimwits that these cults didn't exist, the panic could no longer be sustained. None of this directly affected me, as my parents and my friends' parents were not susceptible to this propaganda and could easily see through the idiocy. I feel fortunate to have been raised by civilized people. There have always been people who are horrified by the idea that somebody, somewhere, might be having a good time. When they get organized and reach a critical mass, their bad ideas spiral out of control and they can do real damage. It's best to ridicule these fools from the start and not allow them to gain momentum.

@WolfHreda

2 жыл бұрын

My favorite thing about the hair metal freakout was that these pearl clutchers went to court expecting an easy victory over a bunch of dumb rockstars. Then Dee Snider rocks up in jeans and a tank top and just lays down this well-spoken, thorough and thought out argument against censorship and left the jaws of Tipper Gore and her stupid friends on the floor.

By this logic, children should be banned from playing ANY make-believe game or their toys. I mean, using your imagination to create a fantasy world, placing yourself in roles and characters outside yourself, working together with friends or even friendly strangers to make a story, and more. So, no more playing pirates, no more playing dolls, no more playing kitchen, no more playing superhero, no more anything imaginative and fun that's perfectly normal for children to do. It's so ridiculous when you realize just how expansive these complaints can actually be.

I started playing in the early 90, after the official 80s 'satanic panic' died down. Unfortunately my mother embraced the panic fully and i had to lie and hide my playing.

@knottheory79220

2 жыл бұрын

Bro. Me too.

@Michaeljack81sk

2 жыл бұрын

Started in the 80s here but thankfully the UK was mostly immune to this crap so I only read about it in gaming magazines. Our Headmaster actually played D&D with his son and even let my gaming group do a charity D&D event in the school

@WolfHreda

2 жыл бұрын

My mom brought up the Satanism thing connected to D&D... In 2001. She also doesn't believe ADHD is real, so there's that. Thanks, ma.

@keithulhu

2 жыл бұрын

I was a player in the 80's and one of my aunts was a real Karen about how evil D&D was.

That comic really makes that religion look more like a cult than what supposedly D&D is

@shinystars2475

2 жыл бұрын

It really does , in the churches that I’ve been in people are frankly pretty chill so it’s so weird seeing Christianity depicted like this by Christians

Fun fact: that comic in the last segment....they made it into a film. Yeah, apparently they needed to reach more "lost" and "corrupt" teens playing the "devil's" game that they decided to make it into a movie called Dark Dungeons. If anything, it's hilarious simply depicting all these TTRPG players as chads so probably worth watching just for the memes.

@TheZMage

2 жыл бұрын

Actually the film was made ironically, not sincerely. You’re supposed to laugh at it

@randomnpc2716

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheZMage really? I didn't know. The way the people acted on it makes you think they were serious about it. I think they even asked the author of the comic for his permission which he gladly granted because he thought this would help promote his message.

@randomnpc2716

2 жыл бұрын

@Vladimir Putin I mean regardless it worked. The film itself is "bad" enough to the point where it becomes funny and entertaining.

@thor30013

2 жыл бұрын

​@@randomnpc2716 Well, the people who made that are the same people who made The Gamers movies - comedies about people playing various fantasy games (namely D&D and a Legends of the 5 Rings-type CCG) where they switch back and forth between stuff happening in-game and stuff happening around the table. A good bit of their stuff is on KZread; I highly recommend watching them.

@robertogaribay6230

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yea Jontron made a review of it

As a Christian and D&D player since 2nd (arguably 1st) Ed, I've lived through the satanic panic. And the older I get, the more I gravitate to the immortal words of Jesus: judge not lest ye be judged. Let he who never sinned throw the first stone. Honestly, if I can say something after 4+ decades of Christianity and tabletop gaming it's this: get off your goddamned high horse and take a cold hard look at yourself before you try to pick that speck out of someone else'e eye. And if you think you're too good for that God help you because I know I can't.

I've been playing D&D for about 30 years, and I must be doing it wrong because I have never been invited to even a single satanic orgy. I also once told someone who was nervous about the game's occult potential that "These are the rules for a Fireball spell from the PHB. If you can take the numbers describing the range, duration, and damage dice per level, and use them to magically conjure actual, physical flames, let me know immediately because that is an act we can take on tour."

I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons for over 30 years. Still waiting to learn REAL MAGIC SPELLS.

@WolfHreda

2 жыл бұрын

That's what you get for not being a Warlock.

Of course, I totally self identify with the medusa I am playing in DnD. I keep trying to petrify people and it works about as often as it does in game. The Satanic Panic was a wild time, man. And I was horrified to learn that it never really stopped in some corners of the world.

@WolfHreda

2 жыл бұрын

If only real people didn't have such good Constitution saves. 🤣

"Random chance of the dice!" -- clutches pears in horror --

Crispy is usually so calm and collected, but with this one his sanity finally went out the window.

I have no idea what a 'vampusa' is, but part of me wants to see more of it now

@darwinjones2059

2 жыл бұрын

Glorantha is a fucking WILD setting

"Mazes & Monsters is a far out game."

@omegamysterio3701

2 жыл бұрын

"Poison, spells, battles, maiming... KILLING??"

While, yes, that comic (the Chick Tract *Dark Dungeons* by Jack T. Chick) was absolutely genuine in the author's belief that D&D was Satanic (along with the works of Lewis and Tolkien), there was a movie made adapting it that is very much a satire of it. Despite this fact, Jack Chick gave them his approval of the final product. It's great and I recommend it. Or just watch JonTron's video on Dark Dungeons. It's very good too.

i can confirm that dnd wasn't what brought me to satan and evil. that was video games and pokemon

At first, it did sound fine but it’s slowly but surely devolved into a BS anti-DND pamphlet and then it got to the vampusa part and I’m like “WHAT?! WTF!” Also the way you read the pamphlet help convey the ridiculousness of this article

I love the voice acting on this. You really get that "oh I can barely breathe I'm so appalled talking about this!!" Tone down perfectly. Now some stuff in there can be kinda true, like we have seen people get way too into this and get overly upset when something goes wrong. But those are such a minority of people.

I mean, seminary schools are now huge hubs of d&d games nowadays... lol ETA: I was a kid playing d&d and other rpgs when the Satanic Panic became a thing, and also had to burn all my stuff. I cried. My mom was a champion snooper. I got in trouble for talking about Dr Strange in notes with my cousin. Intricately folded notes too... smdh

I was a child during these dark times and the satanic fear was so all over everything even proctor and gamble got thrown into it wild

My roommate freaks out the same way Crispy does when things aren’t cited properly. Love it!

I see you with the Baba Yaga from Smite on the thumbnail lol

Oh, the legendary comic that the infamous DND movie is based on XD

Ah, the memories! I grew up in and began playing D&D in the heart of the Satanic Panic. There was a rumour in my school that my friends and I were devil/demon worshipers and we got a lot of flack from the [very numerous] religious people/institutions in our area. Sadly the scapegoats touted by the Panic took attention away from the very real issues of teen mental health. In light of all the Christian conservatism, homophobia was also rampant in the 90's. It was just a really shitty time in a lot of ways. I guess they still are. I'm very sad now. On a lighter note, I was lucky and my folks were rational (as well as a bit nerdy.) My mom even played a few games with us. She played a half elf ranger/cleric and drew a really cool picture of her. I wonder if she still has it.

"You've been trapped in a dungeon of bondage" Uh..... Okay. Do go on....

I began playing in the early 80's. That was the height of the "satanic panic." Even had some friends that played in secret. It was ridiculous. I do miss 10 dollar books though. Watch Mazes and Monsters. A campy film about this. A movie that Tom Hanks starred in and probably would not want you to see.

I had a really good friend from my last job who used to be a youth minister. At his church back in the late 80’s/early 90’s he became friends with the D&D kids as well as the local skateboarders and got them interested in the youth ministries. When the church elders complained he told me he straight up told them,” you’re always complaining that kids don’t want to go to church and now you’re complaining that kids are going to church. Why?” He told me they didn’t have an answer for him other than talking about how they dressed. Well they eventually found a reason to get rid of him and the new youth minister made it his business to give the skaters and players a hard time and eventually they stopped coming, along with the other kids who’s parents were having them go. He said hearing about those kids leaving made him sad but now he sees the humor in it as the youth ministry was kind of in limbo at the time! Edit: my bad for not finishing the video first but I have something to add. There’s actually a low budget movie based off of the last comic, JonTron even made a video about it and it’s one of his funniest!

tbh if that last comic were real you can bet your ass that the Millitary would be waaaaaaay more interested in DnD xD

People: *have fun. Karen: Not on my watch.

@doriansanchez7536

6 ай бұрын

Not so fast Karen your under arrest

Ah, the Chick Tracks. What fun times, especially the part where he is serious about all this. And he can draw so well too. Such a waste of artistic talent. Also, just to tell you that I'm a Catholic and I find this whole panic as ridiculous as anyone else. My first D&D character was a Tiefling for crying out loud. If anyone tells me it'll convert me to satanism I'll laugh in their faces.

Oooh, I really like this one! Ok, so Debbie's little adventure really entertains me. This is such a god-tier intersection of Chick Tracts and similar products, the history of Wicca, and the Satanic Panic as a general concept. The authors had just enough actual bits and bobs that they definitely knew more than they "should have" and had probably read a book or two, just enough to work up something really dumb but not enough to recognize the people they're writing about as normal humans who spent their time not naked in a circle drinking three AM tap water and ordering pizza at midnight like actual goblins. And, you know, paying taxes and stuff, I guess. On a side note, they were making stuff up and what they weren't they were taking well out of context, but Diana was not a name they pulled out of thin air, that's actually the Roman name for Artemis (oversimplifying a bit for time, space, and sanity), and as used here (among other places) it's the name (or one name) of The Goddess or The Lady, one half of a divine binary-gender couple who play out an appropriately weird love story as an allegory for the vegetation and harvest cycles.

I'm just imagining someone seeing this type of propaganda and getting into D&D specifically for that stuff, then just being like "Wait... this isn't magic and demon worship... this is MATH!"

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

I used to work at a University Library as a weekend/evening supervisor. One of these pamphlets and novella's was in the collection. I read it, and it was a fun, also absurd read.

Jack Chick's "Dark Dungeons" - a classic.

The author(s) of this comic book sure has vivid imagination! I'm impressed! Also where's my invitation into the witch coven and cool real life magical powers?

"Some of these D&D books can cost $10!" "Anyways, give me $10." And yeah that last thing was a Chick Tract, Jack Chick was a 100% serious.

I lived through The Satanic Panic in the 80s. There was a dude who lived one city over from us who was arrested for killing his GF with a spear that he owned. The big thing that was all over the news was "Killer played D&D" and his book collection, which included everything from D&D stuff to the Satanic Bible and other fantasy stuff was heavily featured in the newspapers and on TV. But, you know, nobody considered the fact that the guy did A LOT of drugs and had been diagnosed as schizophrenic might have had something to do with it. Funny coincidence, but there was a game store in the same shopping center as one of my mom's favorite stores and she decided to stop in to get me a miniature or two as a little present since she was in the area one fine afternoon. When she came out of the store (The Citadel in New London, CT) she was approached by a reporter. Said reporter asked her if her kids played D&D and some other dumb stuff. My mom answered in the affirmative and when she was asked the follow-up of "Aren't you concerned about their well-being?" (or something) My mom told the reporter: "My kids are fine. D&D has made them better at math and reading, but more importantly, I know where they are and what they're doing on any given Friday night. They're not out running around doing stupid stuff and getting in trouble. They're at my house, gathered around the kitchen table with all of their friends playing a game and eating snacks." Needless to say, her interview did NOT air on Channel 8 News that night as, you know, she made sense and sounded intelligent.

Oh boy, that Chic Tract comic is always a treat to see. As shitty and cancelled as he is, JonTron did a video about the movie version of that comic years and years ago. It's absolutely insane.

@lionheartt15

2 жыл бұрын

to be fair I have seen that movie and I always thought that tom's character being a person with obvious mental health issues was done so well that the thought of it being anti-dnd never really crossed my mind. instead I always thought it was just a symptom of his otherwise unknown degrading mental stability.

@cosmicspacething3474

2 жыл бұрын

Wait what did Jontron do?

Also I love you changing it up crispy!

Love how while everyone else is playing DND, the Satanic Panic Karens are playing Call of Cthulhu

Interesting video great job loved it keep up the amazing work

The second I saw your title, I hoped you had the Chick tract. You delivered! The other stories are amusing and a little sad, but that tract is comedy gold. So happy you read it out loud, too.

Well done, Crispy. Excellent exposition and analysis.

Oh I remember this. My friends and I had been playing for a couple years when this all started in 1980 or so. Our families were like “isn’t that the game you all play?” We were all like wtf? Gary North’s bullshit tho ended up hurting some folks pretty severely. Those comics were a trip. Thanks for covering and the trip down memory lane.

Omg the pamphlet in the first one is hysterical!! One of their arguments is that D&D is really expensive (the only semi valid argument I might add) yet ask for money in the end that was similar to the amount D&D was going for back then. Were their heads shoved so far up their asses that they completely missed the hypocrisy there or what!?

very real. grew up with that guy's tracts in church. Even back then I could tell something was really OFF about the mode of thinking employed in them. Very fear-mongering and exploitive. Remember kids, evil flourishes in darkness. If you ignore it or deny that it exists, it WON'T go away; it'll just get stronger, and you're left not knowing how to fight it.

Just adding "throw dice at a grand piano" to my bucket list.

D&D games played over the phone and mail... in the 1980s and early 90s? Remember, there are no cell phones or email. So, imagine a battle where you need to write out your actions, put them in an envelope, put a stamp on them, and send them to the DNM and wait for a week for the response, then it's the next person's turn. The price of stamps... that's what the evil truly was.

There's all these claims about DND being evil, but really how hard would it be to make a Christian Dungeons and Dragons game? You've even got classes that would be perfect for that. Clerics and paladins are characters driven by faith, so all you'd need to do is design them as followers of Christian belief. A DM could probably come up with a decent story that draws on Christianity and themes that would be considered "Christian." I feel like a lot of these protestors are missing a really great opportunity here, seeing as it could EASILY be used to teach Christian values. I can sort of see how specific aspects of DND might rub some religious players the wrong way. A warlock who has a pact with a fiend... okay I can see where that might make some people uncomfortable. But you know you can remove the parts you don't feel fit with your values?

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

There is a game called Dragonraid that is a Christian RPG. It even has the characters (read players) recite Bible verses to ward off monsters and resist their powers. The game mechanics (especially character generation) is a bit wonky, but honestly not bad.

@WolfHreda

2 жыл бұрын

You have to understand, that would require the ability to have fun. This, they do not possess.

@riptide3340

2 жыл бұрын

As a Christian who’s first three characters all had some kind of demonic ties (warlock, shadow scorc, etc), idk why fiend locks bother them either, cuz it’s still not real. Like you said tho, they could just remove them if they thought it was bad

@phoenixfritzinger9185

2 жыл бұрын

One of my friends played a bard/cleric multiclass that was based on gospel singers and Tammy Fae Baker

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixfritzinger9185 Tammy Fae Baker? O.o

Here, in castilla la mancha (spain) we have a book called "Don Quijote de la Mancha" (written on 1605) in witch the main character became crazy of all the knight swords and dragon books that people wrote so he started trying to get a princess and fought windmails believeing they were gigants. The book is reallie ironic and doesnt take itselve seriously So every time i hear about the mental health and dnd/rock/videogames i remember that not even in 1605 people believed that you could get damaged by fantasy

I actually have that comic somewhere. Funnily enough I got it from a "GM loot table" (a table where all the GMs of the convention were allowed to pick a couple of random items as a reward for running games during the event) when I was at my first ever role playing convention. When my friends and I were reading in the car on the way home we were all just WTF, have these people been serious when they made it? Apparently they were... EDIT: I forgot a funny detail. I was the only D&D player in that car, the game I shared with my group in that particular convention was something funny and harmless called Vampire The Masquerade...

Love your voice acting in the pamphlet section 😂 satanic panic shit is so funny

4:17 the AH- i loved that

Diana is the Roman version of Artemis, the Greek Goddess of the moon and the hunt. By the way, that comic strip was turned into a comedy movie by people spoofing the comic. The movie is called "Dark Dungeons" and was released in 2014

love the part about the practicing witches. no idea what it has to do with the paragraph it was in, but I got a mental image of a bunch of witches rolling dice so I liked it.

we watched the live action of this comic and the suicide note left by Marcie was identical to the one from the comic, including the font and size. My DND group watched it together and we all had a great laugh, worth the watch with your group i believe its called Dark Dungeons?

Diana's the Roman goddess of the hunt, equivalent to the Greek Artemis. Virgin huntress, favors the golden hind, et cetera. So...not only did they not understand D&D, they also didn't understand Greek & Roman mythology. Probably.

Diana is most likely a reference to the Roman Goddess, the Greek counterpart being Artemis.

Seriously just got a Roll20 ad while Crispy was still in Karen voice bashing DnD lol

The "dread vampusa" is giving someone the vapors, damn.

Garlic? Ok boys get me the garlic powder I have a date with Strahd

My first TTRPG was AD&D which I picked up in 1979 so I remember the satanic panic quite well. That comic was one of the infamous Chick Tracts by Jack Chick and they encompassed far more than D&D. Basically anything that Chick didn't like was going to send you straight to Hell. One of my first lessons in not trusting the media was 60 Minutes doing a hatchet job on D&D. I remember going to a convention and attending a panel with a TSR representative. Someone asked if TSR would consider putting out a supplement on herbalism and all the different uses there were for plants. The rep responded that he thought it was a great idea and hoped someone would publish something like that because TSR never would. If TSR published something like that they would have been attacked for teaching children how to poison people or some such. It was insane. Fortunately for me my parents either never got the message or did but blew it off because they never tried to make me stop, possibly because I was a loner introvert and D&D was the thing that got me out trying to meet people. Oh, I imagine Diana is a reference to the Roman goddess.

16:14 This is definitely going into the “so bad it’s funny” album for me.

I wish the pamphlet was right, imagine if I could learn voodoo,witchcraft, and demonology while playing dnd, that would half the time it normally takes.

Dude how did you read this stuff without laughing your ass off? The second the word "occult" was thrown out I laughed and knew that it would be funny

Well, as someone who lived through the panic, and thought it was cringy then, I just had to say that you really captured the mindset of those horrible people back then, I still run into a few today with the same mindset. One or two will even say stage magic is evil as well.

Yo a rock cover of that Destiny song? I never knew I needed to hear such an amazing thing

My parents had absolutely no qualms about me playing roleplaying games or listening to heavy metal. The Satanic Panic wasn't much of a thing where I lived. Praise be to the Demogorgon for that!!

Loves the "What the fuck" coment on that comic piece.

Diana: roman goddess of the moon and hunting.

Diana is the Roman goddess of the hunt and the moon. Basically Artemis

@theboomzer

2 жыл бұрын

Looking back after going through the video more...I don't think those people were intelligent enough to know Diana was a Roman goddess

3:07 the funny thing is that the line between personalities can blur with almost anything.

Back in the day mom found the first pamphlet in our mailbox. She thought it was hilarious.

When the Jack Chick stuff came up, I got a flashback to... a really strange time.

I like how Debbie accepted the one true God and made Jesus Christ her patron, like a real warlock xD

It’s so funny listening to this because in one of my games right now out of the 7 of us everyone is from a church group except me and the DM.

Hey bro, I'm a very devout Catholic and am a new GM. Been playing for over 10 years. The comics at the end were called "Chic tracts" and they were sent out during the satanic panic. He also sent out those same tracts on the evils of Catholicism, which are hilarious. Not all of us hate fun stuff. A good portion of Catholics love LOTR cause of Tolkien, also a devout Catholic. I explain that DnD is like writing your own version, and they instantly don't care.

Man, that comic had me rolling on the floor laughing to tears... the f was that about xD

Damn ! Where do you find those awesome warlock patrons ? Sign me in.

The sad thing is Chick Tracts are still being made to this day and someone posted on Twitter a couple years ago one they found in a truck stop bathroom.

I actually recall these...I feel old now, thank you, LOL! But yeah, these were rampant back then. Even to this day there are still people who think that rolling some dice equals worshipping satan. =_= Lemme just grab my pearls and call their manager!

When these kind of fanatics can't win one fake fight they start, they just start another.

You have to admit that comic is entertaining. My group read that several years ago and laughed a lot at the line ‘the real power.’