It took a while, but I finally got an answer from Samsung about the (many) reports of 990 PRO SSDs losing (reported) health quickly. Still more to be done, but I've made a post on it here: kzread.infoUgkxtMEfrMCkVOy0CsJZI-o7wax9BKOYoub0 Honestly not sure what to make of it yet. Definitely update your firmware, but imho Samsung has to show a little bit more than one simple statement. TBC!

@KennyT187

Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see a short follow-up review with the fixed firmware, as in does it make the 990 Pro run slower and more in-line with other high-end Gen 4 SSDs. Maybe the original speed was too hot to handle for the hardware, hence the health degradation? I also read that some people are unable to update the firmware with the Magician software and are just going to send it back for RMA. Was thinking of getting the 990 Pro but all things considered I think I'm going to get Kingston Fury Renegade (upgraded KC3000) or Solidigm P44 Pro.

@jonathan45732

Жыл бұрын

Was this specific reason I went with an SN850x over the 990 pro

@airtightbox

Жыл бұрын

Do the performance numbers hold up after the latest firmware update?

@carrickdubya4765

Жыл бұрын

Nice follow-up and you got my sub! Got my 2TB 990 yesterday, but it's going back and getting something else

@matthouston8411

Жыл бұрын

Need an 850x 2TB drive tested

This seems to be the only place on KZread that has consistent high quality SSD reviews, keep up the great work!

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :D

@carrickdubya4765

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Just subbed, can you recommend a 2TB M.2 ssd? I just put a return request for my 990 after seeing your video. Thanks

@kingjon5818

8 ай бұрын

She should have put the 850x 2tb to compare since 1tb is generally slower

The Original Gangster of SSD testing is here. Awesome review as always.

Why you don't have a million subscribers is a mystery to me! Great review as always!

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Maybe one day ☺ And thank you!

@Rkcuddles

Жыл бұрын

It seriously is baffling to me too. I think it’s a timing thing, this channel would have blown up if they started a little sooner. I still think they will grow steadily as those of us who don’t enjoy the unprofessional bro culture end up looking for alternative sources of reviews and updates on tech.

@Boemtie

Жыл бұрын

Simp

@45eno

Жыл бұрын

@@Rkcuddleswhat’s bro culture? Is Hardware Unboxed bro culture?

Glad you're expanding your content but good to see you come back to your SSD review roots. Waiting for that SN850X review.

Grabbing my WD SN850X for $199 making me feel much better hearing the difference between the two 🤘🏼 great review by the way. Love the detail you went into to show all the differences between the top drives atm

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! And the SN850X is an excellent choice, especially at current prices. I'll have a video on that soon, hopefully tomorrow already.

@stevetb7777

Жыл бұрын

Sweet, I also recently nabbed the 850x 4tb for $399. Will probably go back down there for Black Friday or Prime Day.

@NINJA_INVESTORS

Жыл бұрын

Just get a 4 tb

@vultureTX001

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters thanks again for that launch price vs. fall off expectation a couple of weeks later. now if only GPUs would do that.

@trollmeister69

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Waar is de video ?

I love that you go in depth on SSDs, this channel is the best source for that and it makes it stand out.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Glad you think so! :D

What a great review and presentation. Thank you for taking the time. I bought a 2TB 990 pro just 2 days ago, and it was the "exact same" price as the 2TB 980 pro at the same store - amazing. Queensland Australia.

@KasaniGT

29 күн бұрын

i’m also in queensland and looking to buy one. may i ask where you got yours?

@CalaisRider

29 күн бұрын

@@KasaniGT I got mine from UMart at Mansfield. They are quite helpful.

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I was literally 2 minutes away from ordering my 2nd 980 Pro 2TB but I thought to look it up first. I did not know that this existed. ❤🧡💙🥂🍾🍹Pre-ordering right now!

I put 2 990 Pro 2T drives into a new 13th Gen I-9 on an Asus Z790 Maximus Hero and have never seen faster response time. One dedicated to game and OS on other. Was worth the wait and the dollars spent.....this review confirms everything I see real time. Excellent review!!!

@patfre

Жыл бұрын

Watch out man there are reports they are dying very fast saw someone who had one that reported to be only at 68% health after just 2TB so check it and honestly you should probably contact Samsung for an RMA

@isz

Жыл бұрын

@@patfre even tho there are firmware updates should i buy the 990 pro? or are WD SSDs better overal...

@patfre

Жыл бұрын

@@isz you should still wait the firmware update isn’t out just yet. Only for the 980 Pro and even when it comes out it is best to wait to see if it is actually resolved

The SK Hynix P41 would be a good inclusion for the comparisons. For example, it tops the 3D Mark Game Loading test section. Also, I'd love to see the real world loading time differences. Whether it's 0.1 seconds, 1 second, a few seconds, the synthetic benchmarks leave us in the dark about how much faster it actually is in daily use. I think performance in the end comes down to the difference I can actually tell while actually using, so that would be something good to know even if the difference is negligible because then I know that the higher benchmark numbers don't mean anything to me.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

I hear it a lot, I'll try to find one :) As for gaming loading, storage is only a small factor, so you're usually talking fractions of seconds between the top gen4 nvme drives in most games. But it'll be a different story if you compare a 2022 PC (13900K, RTX 4090, 990 PRO) to a pc from a few years ago where every part is slower.

@ericmafl2847

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Agreed, please include the P41 SK Hynix 1TB and/or 2TB if you are able to. Thanks for the consideration.

@till-tat5907

Жыл бұрын

First thing I notice too

Ive seen this used in one of our newly assembled 3D mapping drones at work. The amount of data capture stream is just right for this.

Haha I liked the shot of the little fallout guy holding it… Thanks for such a detailed review and for talking through how these tests correspond to real world

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

I watched a lot of SSD reviews but this is the first video I’ve seen that explains what these tests mean to the user (I usually just looked at which one has a higher number lmao)

Nice test as always, can't wait to see your Gen 5 tests, hopefully they actually come out this year😁

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Me too! But no sign of any yet. I've heard from a couple of different vendors that their model is delayed.

@GamePat96

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Ah that's a shame, I wanted to Build an itx Build with the new AM5 Asus ITX Board you showed of at launch. Which only has 2 NVME slots as you probably know... The 4.0 Was for Windows and the 5.0 for games. Guess I have to keep my Sata SSDs a little longer than expected, and port them over to my new build😅 p.s. thanks for the heads up Nada and Im sure as soon as there some available you will have a review up. Can't wait for it😁

The performance increase is insane, will buy it for my new pc build

Great video as always! It would be interesting to see a comparison between the 990 Pro and the SK hynix Platinum P41.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

I'll see if i can find an SK Hynix SSD!

@hoemey

Жыл бұрын

All the reviews I've seen have omitted the P41. Think it's quite obvious why. Samsung money really talks.

@felixg3

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not available in Europe, at least not easily (all consumer SK Hynix SSDs, would’ve loved to get the P31 Gold

@felixg3

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters and, ever seen one? :(

I'm actually interested to see how direct storage 1.1 does with these drives and will gen 5 show any actual improvement over these. I think forspoken will give us an idea in q1 when it launches. Definitely would be a reason to wait for gen 5 if it does.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, still waiting for those Direct Storage games though :(

@glenwaldrop8166

Жыл бұрын

Given how Direct Storage works it should show gains on everything across the board. I'm looking forward to someone making a wrapper for older games. People have made mods that swap Fallout 4 to run on Vulkan and then added FSR to Vulkan, hoping for Direct Storage as well.

@HeloisGevit

Жыл бұрын

@@glenwaldrop8166 I hadn't considered that, if it's possible would be sweet. Then again, older games like Fallout 4 don't really need the help, they load pretty much instantly as is on modern hardware.

@glenwaldrop8166

Жыл бұрын

@@HeloisGevit I dunno, I've got modded as well as unmodded, they all take nearly a minute on an NVME, it's the decompression that slows it down, that's where Direct Storage really helps.

@johndoh5182

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Umm one comes out soon.

You do a great job in your presentation and offer information in a very nice way, concise and to the point.. Perfect!! I loved seeing the graphs you put up with the testings for the drives.. I did not know there was as much difference between the WD Black drives and that of SamSung 990 pro Drives..

it would be interesting to know if motherboard heatsinks are actually as good as the SSD heat sink option , maybe they are more for decoration of board and don't work as great. might be an interesting point to add in the next motherboard showdown

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

That would require a lot of motherboard swapping :P From my experience, as long as there is an OK amount of metal and you have a little bit of air passing by, you'll be fine even for a stress test.

@c4nchi

Жыл бұрын

so, this drive is not recommended for laptops ? or there is a way to attach a heatsink in a laptop ?

@OvisTech

Жыл бұрын

@@c4nchi not these high end models. But you can try the lower tiered models from Silicon Power (P34A60, P34A80) or from Crucial (P2, P3).

@Mason_bluegrass

Жыл бұрын

i did some test with and without the heatsink that was provided with the Gigabyte Aorus Z390 and The SDD was like 15 degre cooler with the Heatsink so Yeah lol all heatsink will make a huge diference because those drive seem to run hotter then older ssd sata so it realy need a heatsink.. i use the samsung 970 pro gen3

@-opus

Жыл бұрын

Board heatsinks tend to be larger, so should be able to transfer/hold/disperse more heat

Quite a concise and comprehensive review as always Nada.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

I've watched a few of you're reviews and its always nice to see you replying to everyone's comments. I like you're energy don't ever change.

Great work as usual :) But... Where is the promised SN850X review? :)

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Today! Almost done 😅😉

@davereen5103

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Awesome thanks! :)

I've just discovered your channel. The tests you offer are incredibly precise, professional and clever. Thanks a lot for that, I now folllow you.

Here in the states right now April 2023 there's only $20 difference between the 990 and 980 pro so I went ahead and bought one of each. The 990 pro as a boot drive is super fast on Z790 with 13900k.

Bedankt voor de review, bizar dat de launch prijzen zo hoog waren, heb hem eergisteren besteld voor €130 😁

Hi Nada, I‘m coming back to this video as reports are coming out of quick degradation of the 990 Pro. Are you using it as a personal drive and if so, does your experience match? Additionally, I‘d really like to know which drive gets how hot if you‘re using the same heatsink on all of them, so kind of an efficiency test and if you get the chance to test that that would be awesome because that should give us a better indication of how these would perform with a standard motherboard heatsink for example. Thanks for the great work!

Is this drive good for running VMs without heatsink inside laptop? Also are all NANDs are one sided to be fitted inside laptop?

@Technosapien1213

10 ай бұрын

Yea I have same issue

Thank you so much. The most impressive standout from your data is the WD Black SN850X. Currently $450 for 4TB. Every Amazon review is CONSISTENTLY showing PS5 read speeds of just over 6,500 MB/s; highest I've seen registered for PS5 application

When I look up something for reviews if I see you have a video I always migrate to that one, very good fair reviews

Wait.... its not PCIe 5.0?

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Nope. And from what I understand that'll take a while. Samsung was also pretty late to the Gen4 party.

Great video, thanks. I'm only missing one thing, which is an endurance comparison (at least theoretical / warranty ). High end drives are expected to suffer heavy workloads, so it would be nice to know which ones last longer or have longer warranties

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

I don't think I'll add theoretical durability as some people will take it literally no matter how clear we make it's "theoretical". It also just doesn't really change much for 99.9% of users. I might add a warranty graph though, will think about it!

@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62

Жыл бұрын

For the vast majority of people, the write life of SSDs are mostly irrelevant; you can have an SSD be the boot drive to your computer for a hundred years and still not run the drive to zero.

@javiej

Жыл бұрын

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62 It depends on what you call "vast majority". This video is about a high need NVMe model, so the vast majority of its owners will not be ocasional users.but people with more intensive requirements.Im one of those and I have burned low endurance SSDs pretty often, in just a couple of years or even less. Typically by doing thinks like letting the computer rendering during the nights, using them and as scratch disks with some applications , and also due to intensive swap when the computer didn't have enough RAM.

@kingjon5818

8 ай бұрын

@@javiejdo some research, you’re not going to destroy these in a couple of years. You will never destroy it that way. Do research

@javiej

8 ай бұрын

@@kingjon5818 I have indeed destroyed several of them by doing just that.. High end drives are supposed to be for intensive usage like I do, not for normal consumers like you seem to be. I do intensive rendering for previews (render, play, delete, then rewrite), also combined with serious NAS usage, 24h per day, 365 days per year. Pretty often I write several terabytes per day, that means writing the whole drive several times in one day. Only the best nvme drives support writing several terabytes per day during the warranty period, if you don't believe me just do the research that you claim for. Because obviously you didn't.

It'll be interesting to see how hot SSDs get with the larger heatsinks on new motherboards

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Not really an issue in my experience. Any decent size heatsink with a little bit of air flowing by it and you'll be OK.

@GSP-76

Жыл бұрын

Need airflow more than heatsink.

Is 4 tb 990 pro faster then 2 tb version or is it the same??

I think you should be using SN850X 2TB model cause it is rated to have better IOPS than SN850X 1TB. Would give better insights to how it compares to 990 Pro 2TB.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

I'll get back to the story of capacity soon, but generally speaking there are tiny differences (also between the SN850 1TB and 2TB for example), nothing that changes the narrative. The consistency benchmark is the only exception usually, but even there the 1TB 990 PRO (that's going through the tests now) is also way, way ahead of the SN850(x)

@teemuvesala9575

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Well I'm not surprised considering how hot the WD Black drives run. Think even 980 Pro beat SN850X in consistency benchmarks. The reason why 990 Pro did so well in consistency benchmarks most likely has lot to do with their new controller, which is said to be 55% more efficient compared to Elpis controller found on the 980 Pro. Slightly off topic, but I'm just wondering is the SN850X controller really made in China? Cause from what I've seen on pictures, SN850X's SanDisk controller really has "made in China" label on it. I just remember SN850 (non X) controller having "made in Taiwan" label on it if I'm not mistaken... So if SN850X controller is made in China, it could be that it is not made by TSMC, but by Chinese SMIC instead... And for me that's a big red flag for multiple reasons, not just the fact CCP is involved in SMIC.

I love your voice and the way you explain, great channel and great information keep working congratulation for such a great channel!

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@AmonStrix

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters You got a new follower thanks for your work!

When it comes to NVMe SSD this is the best channel by far for reviews and comparison. On its way the KG FURY renegade!! Thank you so much. Keep Going

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Renegade requested! 👊

@Voivod74

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Boom. Right there! Cannot wait. Thank YOU so much.

wow tbh ur the 1st to cover this ty they announced it a while ago and no one covered it anywhere

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Review embargo lifted today, but you're right, they announced it ages ago which is a bit weird.

I just found your channel as a major hardware enthusiast. Very impressive stuff! Subscribed!

Very nice review. Thanks! It looks like the MSRP today would be justified for hard-core content creators that are constantly accessing their drive. Looking at the Gen4 limitations you mentioned, I wonder if it would be better for them to build or buy a system w/ Gen5 support w/ speeds more than 2x-4x what we are limited to here.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! And yeah, MSRP isn't unreasonable for a true pro user I guess.

@charlestilley2576

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters No, just what you're getting for the money is the issue. A non-gamer would be better off with the Samsung 970 PRO (Gen 3) model. Because it's their last true MLC SSD & has true DRAM NAND on the drive. In time, just as Intel regretted going away from solder to cheap thermal paste on CPU's, Samsung will regret doing away with true MLC Flash on their PRO line of drives, be it NVME or 2.5" models. Glad I purchased two 1GB 970 PRO's when Amazon had a 24 hour sale, $109.99 each with next day shipping. Had to buy two at the price!

@charlestilley2576

Жыл бұрын

@notfiveo Great brand there, Hynix has been making OEM RAM for a long, long time. Glad to see it now in use for PC RAM, only regret it's not MLC type. But buyers says it's fast as any they've bought. It's also been in many GPU's for a very long tome as well.

I'm really late to the party but I'm having trouble deciding on this or the WD 850X. I'm thinking of having one of these for my C Drive. I primarily use my PC for Photoshop for Digital Painting and editing, InDesign/Illustrator for Graphic Design & ZBrush/Blender for 3D sculpting and modeling. I'm essentially a concept artist and Illustrator. I do however play some games on my PC but nothing competitive lately. Primarily an mmo (Final Fantasy XIV) and some single player games. I sometimes play competitive games but typically just with friends casually. I do also plan to replay Cyberpunk 2077 now that I'm building a much better PC. So I'm wondering which would be the better value? I do know the 990 Pro 2TB w/ Heat sink is on sale for $230 CAD & WD 850X 2TB is $170 CAD

@surajmistry7078

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I'm also aware of the issues with the 990 so if I did get that one I'd make sure to update the firmware the moment I boot up the PC

@TiborMiklosAE

Жыл бұрын

Samsung is very reliable! I own a 980 Pro and it's very fast. The 990 is even better! : D I also have a Samsung 850 EVO with 98 terabytes written and the drive health is still in good condition according to Samsung Magician. I haven't tried the WD 850X. I only have a WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm for storage. The recent 990 models probably have the latest firmware ( 5B2QGXA7). If not then you need to update it for sure.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Hard to say. I really like Samsung for my main workstation drives. They haven't let me down yet. Then again you probably won't notice a difference in use.

@surajmistry7078

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the replies! Appreciate it!

just curious.. why is the 990 pro 2tb compared against a 980 pro 1tb? or does it make no difference, the 980 pro 1/2tb variant?

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

We try to test as many 2 TB drives as possible but sometimes we can't get one. For performance: 1/2TB makes very little (no real) difference. Only in the consistency benchmark pretty much. I'll do a video on this soon!

7:08 what would happen if you put the SSDs in a Gen 5 slot? Even if the SDD is a Gen 4, will there be an improvment?

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

No. Another motherboard might change performance a tiny bit, but Gen5 won't do much for a Gen4 SSD :P

In a couple weeks or months, we will be seeing Gen 5 drives that will thrash these drives. Of course, you need a platform that supports it, like the AM5, and even then, it will make these prices seem like a bargain.

@Octet

Жыл бұрын

In theoretical sequential speed, yes, the PCIE 5.0 SSDs will be much faster. In IOPS, barely, and IOPS matters more for loading games and feeling fast. Current PCIE gen 5 SSD on the market has 1.5M IOPS and the 990 pro is 1.4M, quite similar.

@def6420

Жыл бұрын

@@Octet so what is best price ssd for games regural sata even will do?

@christopherjackson2157

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how fast gen 5 drives will actually perform. Its a rare gen 4 drive that is constrained by the bandwidth of the connection (8 GB/s). If I remember correctly, pcie gen 4 drives had been on the market for quite a while before they exceeded gen 3 speeds. Even in the charts presented here I suspect the bottleneck is the phison controller used by most of the fast gen 4 drives and the related thermal and power limits of the nvme spec rather than the speed of the connection.

@AethryPixel

Жыл бұрын

@@def6420 get a 970 evo or 980 pro if u have a good enough mobo that won't suffer from sharing lanes and you'll be good to go. No need for anything faster at current gen

@maxstr

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonhayman9521 What you mean it doesn't matter for games?? It matters a lot for games. Patching Unreal Engine games requires writing the entire 50 gigs or whatever which can take like an hour on an HDD, half that in an SSD, and seconds on nvme. Also, faster drives means less popping in graphics, loading times, etc

i love how you explain things

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

My 990 Pro 2TB died recently as it's no longer recognized by any system. I think it was a controller that died with less than 15 TBW in the 8 months I've had it. I even had a heatsink on it. The defective firmware didn't come with my 990 Pro out of the box and I updated it as soon as I got it. Just wanted to share my experience.

@Everything_Comes_And_Goes

2 ай бұрын

Thank you (along with other poor customers online) for sharing this. I had early indications that Samsung are now to be avoided. The firmware issues were a sign, but there's more bs - see my long comment just posted.

Thank you for another great consistent review. It really helped me make my mind. I purchased the 2 TB version and a hefty Axagon CLR-M2XL cooler.

@TechTesters

9 ай бұрын

Glad I could help!

Thank you for the review. I'm am Samsung guru since I can remember and I was waiting for this 990 Pro, but tbh. Firecuda 530 2TB and 4TB are more then double the endurance which is huge and virtually on par with speeds. I think this time around and for the endurance alone Firecuda 530 2TB takes the lead and my vote.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't know how to judge those endurance ratings. Technically if you manage to pass them within the warranty period and your drive breaks it's nice, but I doubt that'll happen and I'm really not sure if it really guarantees a better quality either.

@kingjon5818

8 ай бұрын

I highly doubt you’ll surpass it. Ever

The 990 Pro is 2TB while the WD and some of the others are 1TB. Does the size of the drive make a difference? Also, why didn't you use 2TB for all the cards?

Thanks for the review. One of the best tech review channels on youtube, glad you're here!

I am a casual gamer and was wondering if the performance difference between the 990 vs 980 is worth the extra $70 for the 2TB 990 Pro. Will I really notice the difference for the extra money? Great informative videos by the way.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

For a bit of casual gaming only? Get whichever is cheapest, or even save some more money by looking at other brands.

Great video. I am curious what NAND type is being used on these 990 PRO SSDs. Is it 2-bit MLC, or 3-bit TLC? If they are using TLC, then the 970 PRO (MLC) drives might be slightly faster in random reads/writes, and when copying huge files that exceed the cache size of the drive, and they are also more durable.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! the 990 PRO is 3-bit MLC/TLC, but it's faster in every test, including a lot of them that I don't cover in the video because it'll become too long. Durability, maybe, but I doubt it'll make much of an actual difference.

@Crossfire2003

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters Thanks for the reply. Have you tested copying huge chunks of files, for instance 100-200GB of data? (This is where TLC NAND shows its weakness).

@-Batman-

Жыл бұрын

Yo, glad that I found someone who is also interested in this. Yes, as she said it's TLC, so 3 bit Cells. It's just that Samsung's marketing geniuses apparently thought they might get away with using the term MLC, since it's technically correct, it is technically Multi Layer, but they are an outlier. Nobody else in the industry uses MLC to describe TLC... Anyway I was surprised that the long-term consistency workload didn't show it here, especially seeing the last MLC drive 970 Pro very low on the chart 🤔 I guess that one being 1 TB and the 990 pro being 2 TB helps with the "SLC Cache"? But yeah I think if one did a test as you said it'd show.

It would be interesting to always do the tests with products that are similar to each other, because we should never compare a 1TB nvme with a 2TB nvme, because that is a huge mistake, 2TB nvme in 90% of the times has a much better performance than one of 1TB, the interesting thing would be to keep them all in the 1TB or 2TB chart, but never mix it up, a practical example is when the Samsung 990 PRO 2TB beats the WD 850X 1TB and the difference is little, as for example in the PC Mark 10, where the 990 PRO scores 700 against 642 for the WD 850X, even the 980 PRO had a result that could have been very different, certainly the 980 PRO 2TB would have better results in the tests and would have reduced the difference in scores, in short, comparing an nvme 1TB or another 2TB nvme ends up making the wrong choice for those watching, I understand that this is something that was not thought of by you and that was overlooked, in many cases the difference is not that big, but anyway this difference from 1TB to 2TB are there and they exist, that is, the results would be even better in any 1TB nvme in the table if they had used 2TB models instead, it would be interesting to acquire 2TB models of these same 1TB nvme and do tests and add in the tables and maybe an update on the video, anyway, 99% perfect and well done video, just this detail that I mentioned really should be revised, but I really enjoyed watching it, see you later. (Sorry if my pronunciation was weird at times, I'm using Google Translate)

@TechTesters

11 ай бұрын

I have a seperate video on the impact of SSD capacity 😉

Gen5 should be using it in professional industries. Normally, pc user unable to feel big difference between gen4 & 5. Gen4 is big enough our need. Using Gigabyte A. 7000s perm 2tb & Seagate firecuda 530 2tb heatsink.

Damn, I just bought a 980 pro for my latest build. I wish I knew this was coming out. Oh well, the 980 Pro is STILL a fantastic NVMe SSD drive.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@Chigasaurus

Жыл бұрын

I’m in the same boat, just built mine a few weeks ago!

@jasperlorenzo3102

Жыл бұрын

Same here, 1tb for OS 980 pro and 2tb 980 pro for steam library...

@califorupha1574

Жыл бұрын

It's probably the reason why it's on sale now as it the 990 pro comes out on Nov 14 which is tomorrow for me

I have the 980 Pro 2TB and a WD Black SN 750 1TB, I had my first 980 brick on me trying to correct a bad sector, and after jumping through 50 hoops, Samsung kept their end of the warranty up and sent me a new one, and it has been rocking for over a year. I think next time I will go back to all WD Black, I have never had one cost me so much lost data and time.

@teemuvesala9575

Жыл бұрын

It's fool's errand to think WD would not have defective drives. Oh believe me, there are plenty of WD drives (SN850s for instance) that have bricked. Every manufacturer will have defective drives, its down to how each manufacturer handles the warranty that matters. And Samsung once again is the most reliable on that front.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

It's just luck tbh, everything can break, and when SSDs break it's usually a total failure. So you'll need to make good backups either way. We have had 100s of SSDs here in total, I don't think we can say one brand has done consistently better or worse. Only very very old SATA drives have consistently broken (OCZ Vertex 2, and our last Crucial M4 died iirc :P)

@teemuvesala9575

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters I had Crucial M4 128GB that died, but the 64GB M4 still works (was used as boot drive in Windows 7 era). Not that I use it anymore. The change from HDD to SATA SSD as a boot drive was still much more noticeable than any improvement going from even SATA to PCIE 4.0 SSDs.

@noname-yb5jt

Жыл бұрын

Have had good luck with Crucial products. 1tb MX500 in my laptop is around 3 years old as well as the 16gb of Crucial ram added. I use a Crucial P5 Plus 2tb in my PS5 and a 2tb mx500 for external PS5.

Would you recommend it for a laptop with the basic copper plate and thermal pads or it's too risky? Awesome reviews!!

@FirstNameLastName-tx6td

Жыл бұрын

No way

Not sure that this actually has an impact, but have you tested different drives in games that have stutters due to shader compilation issues? Stray would be an example, Elden Ring and Kena had big problems with it at launch and I think I noticed it in A Plague Tale: Requiem benchmark videos as well. I do know that memory/CPU latency does have an impact on those hence why Intel is still doing better in that regard and I would be very interested in knowing if the SSD latency could also reduce the duration of those stutters. If that really does have an impact I'd argue that it is much more important for gaming than copying game files or loading times because smooth gameplay should always be priority number one. Thanks for testing and if you have any insights on this subject I would love to know about it. Otherwise I'm just gonna buy a 990 Pro as the latency king when the prices drop and compare it to my 970 Evo Plus by doing a few runs of ingame benchmarks and then compare the frame time graphs I guess.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Shader compilation would be interesting but is very hard to test consistently. I guess you'll at least notice a proper NVMe SSD over a SATA one there. But in-game latency issues shouldn't be a factor.

You're the best. Love all your videos and you definitely sold me on buying this tomorrow! Thank you.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! And thank you! ☺

I would love to see if the top tier SSDs impact 4k FPS on a RTX 4090 system.

Great video!! Thank you! Liked and subscribed 😊

really cool stuff! yeah im getting this m.2 soon and a new pc! :) have a good day!

I would like to see a game loading comparison with the 990 Pro vs an 870 QVO, because every video I've seen so far online shows gen 4 making no gains over SATA SSD's in gaming specific tasks

@kingjon5818

8 ай бұрын

Wow, just buy and see. And do better research

Been watching for a while so I just subbed.

Damn, such a thorough and useful review on an SSD. Thanks!

Wonderfully done. Thanks for this comparison video.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

I like how you put components in or near bushes.

I bought a samsung 990 pro with heatsink (4tb), and a NewQ external enclosure, but the 990 pro with heatsink does NOT fit into the NewQ enclosure! I am very upset about this. I have a new Macbook Pro with an M3 Max chip. It has several Thunderbolt 4 ports, so I'm trying to find a Thunderbolt 4, type C enclosure that will handle up to 40gps (the fastest enclosure possible) that will also fit this drive. Does anyone know what enclosure will definitely fit this drive?

I've been waiting for these to come come out. I do my artwork on two 970Evo 2TB's striped together... it's really good and I can use it to store clips and do my art. But now I'd like to see about two of these 990Pro 4TB drives striped to replace my 970's. So maybe next year when they're available and that initial higher prices have gone down some. And a 2TB for my main drive for the OS to replace the 980Pro would be good. It sounds like the performance is so amazing that it cannot be denied. Great video as always.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

I'm looking at this one, and also KC3000 for $90 less for same storage and very close performance in gaming and overall averages, think I'll try the KC3000. Thanks so much for your review

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

For 90 dollars less? Unless it's a high-end production system the KC3000 will make more sense at that price.

Thank you for an excellent review of this drive. I have two of them and got hit with the flawed firmware issue in both. I have updated the firmware versions and I hope the drives will stay healthy now. For a different desktop system, I have opted for the Western Digital SN850X.

Jut an FYI, right now, (11-22-22) in the U.S. Newegg and Amazon have a pre-purchase of this drive for $289.

I love your review but I'm a tad disappointed that you didn't include any SK Hynix Platinum P41. I was considering getting either this or the P41 but I don't see your benchmark on it.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Trying to get one but they’re nowhere in the EU :/

Still rocking the 980 pro with the heatsink. This one looks very interesting. Keep up the great work you guys and stay safe. Groetjes uit Nederland.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Dank je wel! :)

@chesshooligan1282

Жыл бұрын

"Stay safe"? Haha, is she volunteering for the Ukraine war or something? As far as I know, she's a normal person who makes KZread videos of PC products. How on Earth did we become such safety-obsessed wussies?

When will gen 5 be coming out ? Congratulations on Verstappens title ! A gifted young man .

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

All manufacturers I've asked have said "not soon" or "delayed", so we'll see. And thanks I guess? :P

Disappointing the 1tb 970 pro still has double the endurance rating this drive has and it's still a tlc instead of being a mlc.

Going from HDD to SSD early on in my PC building days, it's like night and day. I was thinking about getting abother NVMe drive. Honestly the read and write is not even going to matter when G5 comes out.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

First SSDs were amazing. Shame they all died :P

@imthemetalguy1

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters I know! I found out about SSD's back in 2015. A year later my buddy tells me about M.2 NVMe drives. A year after that I built my first rig with up to date parts. Only to learn I'm still behind the curve XD

My mobo has a heat sink for SSD and luckily I ordered the right one without the heat sink. Although I supposed if i did accidently order the heat sink version I could just remove and not use the mobo heatsink so I'd still likely be ok. Only issue may have been if I didn't have a heatsink on my mobo and ordered the non heat sink SSD which in that case I would likely have had to get a 3rd party heat sink after the fact unless I wanted to delay my build by exchanging it. I actually was going to order the 980, but it was sold out at time I ordered and found the 990 pro available instead and now i'm happy that 980 pro was sold out, haha. All parts for my PC coming in next week so just continuing to review videos about various parts I ordered while I'm waiting just in case i missed anything.

Another great review. Q: Are you testing these SSD's with or without heatsinks?

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! All testing is done with a heatsink :)

Any reason the SK Hynix Platinum P41 doesn't make your list of drives?

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been trying to get one for months but they never seem available in the EU.

Thanks for the test 👌

Hmm! Thanks for doing this. I was considering the 990 Pro, but may go with the sn850x based on the gaming performance. If this is the same for PS5 and not just for normal PC, then it may be the one to go with.

Nice to see the crucial p5 plus up there. Just got it during cyber Monday. Very nice deal for its price to performance ratio

@simonb.8868

Жыл бұрын

how much?

@BaconBearOfficial

Жыл бұрын

got it for like 100$ or so

Very surprised this isn’t pcie gen 5

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Gen5 ssds from Samsung are supposedly some time away still

@mikerzisu9508

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTesters again, very surprising honestly. All of the newest platforms are gen5 ready. Also surprised the new gen of gpus aren't pcie 5.

Beautifully done Nada!

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! ☺🍻

Thanks for the update, love these products.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Good presentation. Missing the o in loading on the 3D Mark Storage Gaming Storage in MB/s slide. Would be nice to have a link to the data.

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Fixed for future videos, thank you! And what link do you mean?

Nice review, you can also use more then one software to benchmark an SSD. (Crystal Disk Mark as an example). P.S. Still rocking with my 2TB Seagate FireCuda 530 😁

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! For the record, SSDs get tested in several other applications, but the data gets complicated and for my video's I'd like to keep them accessible :P Maybe that's something to add to Patreon or something in the future, but right now, unless it really changes the narrative (like it did with a Transcend and ADATA SSD in my roundup) I don't include them. Hope that helps!

that's funny ... was looking for a new/bigger SSD like the 980 2TB ... and then I see there is a new 990 with way more performance 👍😍

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Hope it was helpful!

What about endurance? The 990 Pro still seems to use TLC Flash. Has Flash quality improved since the 980 Pro? I really wish there were MLC SSDs again, even if they are more expensive. Talking ablout Flash types, TLC devices only are fast because of the SLC cache. What's the size of SLC cache on the 990 Pro? What's the throughput during high load scenarios that exceed the SLC cache's capacity? The 990 Pro may be better than the 980 Pro, but for some scenarios I would still recommend the expensive 970 Pro, which uses MLC Flash that can handle many more write cycles and safely hold data for a longer time without being powered. It would be nice if we could get an updated MLC SSD sometime.

Should this drive had been a PCI-E 5.0 drive, or would it had made little difference? How much harder is it to add PCI-E 5.0 since no one have done it yet. It could have been a PCI-E 5.0 X2 drive making even more SSD's possible in a PCI-E 5.0 PC.

i assume most users wont see much benefit from this if they are already on a pci e 4.0 nvme however it is a very nice drive. tbh i have no interest in 4.0 drives now that we have 5.0 supporting boards but ill still prob keep 2 of my 4.0 nvme drives even when i make the switch to 5.0

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Hard to say. I'll just stick to the usual: don't upgrade your recent (Gen4) SSD just because a faster one is out. But when you need a new one, it's great that newer drives keep getting faster right?

great time to grab a 980Pro or SN850, I've seen crazy deals

@TechTesters

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they're very often a great deal imho.

2:25 to 2:40 or you can take a small heat gun to it at a reasonable enough distance...to slowly and gently heat it up enough to where you could th n gently twist off the heat sink.. Boards like your ASRock x570 taichi WONT have a thin enough mobo heat sink to also allow using the included heatsink like on this ssd and the Corsair m600 pro xt ssd. If you remove some motherboards' heatsink it also removes the part that includes th chipset fan that IS necessary.

And it's also almost double the cost of the WD and Corsair, so why not just wait for PCIE 5.0?

What about Kingston Fury Renegade? I think it's better than the Kingston KC3000. It's not on your lists. I was thinking to buy it. Is it a good choice vs Samsung 990 or Western digital SN850?

Given that at least a couple of PCIe Gen 5 motherboards are now released, no need to upgrade current, the latest takes both PCIe Gen 5 NVMe SSD's. as well as GPU's, once both are released. Especially a GPU, unless prices tumbles. It was the mining that jacked up pricing there, and if that was the only reason why retail sales matched scalpers, then these should honestly drop in price, as many consumers were left w/o one. As far as this model of NVMe goes, it should be the greatest, with one "but" included. If not a gamer & don't have to do everything or anything at 5,000MB/sec (a few Gen 4's won't read or write any faster, in fact, slower then Gen 3), the 970 Pro is the BEST choice. Because it was the LAST one with MLC Flash. Back when TLC was released some 10 years ago (840 EVO 2.5" was one), some published wrote that TLC would take over the market And he was right. Only he didn't know that flash would be watered down to QLC & this is now in the EVO (or daily user) drives, while Performance users gets TLC drives. QLC are the ones that's called Gen 4, but often doesn't come close to matching Gen 3 speeds. We're going to be missing the good old performance of MLC drives & on the Performance side, QLC (or even TLC) may not withstand the temps, forcing OEM's to backpedal to MLC Flash with true NAND cache once again. Can't keep on going up on the specs and at the same time, water down the components for performance & NOT expect to suffer in some way. Like Intel knows they screwed up with Ivy Bridge using low cost (55 gallon bulk containers) thermal paste rather than proper soldering & on some chips due to consumers complaining, they did go back to this. Whether or not they stuck with it, I don't know, yet look what happened when not soldering chips, overheating was very bad once the 7700K was here. Far worse than when first released. Thermal paste is NOT a substitute for proper soldering of cooling components to save, at best, $10 per CPU. Nor is using TLC Flash chips for powerful MLC ones with a better, more modern controller. I don't mind paying $10-20 more for a proper job & a much longer lasting SSD of any type. Just watch out, going cheap with SSD manufacturing will go the same way as CPU's did a decade to 12 years back in time to save $10 per unit. This is why one can search on eBay & pay (sometimes) over $2K for a PCIe Gen 2 SLC (the best, but expensive per/GB) or luck up and/or find a Gen 3 MLC industrial drive with many years of use & many years of life left. Just have to use a PCIe slot, preferably Gen 3, many boards offered 2, if not a gamer, won't notice a difference in 8 lanes vs 16, unless one has a X99 or similar board more modern that'll run 28 lanes or higher. Mainly the issue here is poor marketing, the OEM's assumes everyone is a PC gamer when it comes to buying components. Not everyone is, how they can use lower grade Flash & claim a long lifespan. All I want are quality PC components for everyone.😄

990 Pro is 120 euros right now on amazon france or 130 euros on amazon belgium. Debating to get this as main drive for productivity (1TB) and keep the sn850x i already got for 350 euros (4 TB) purely for game & entertainment drive. I'm aware its overkill, but I want to split both and future proof abit (as i can afford it now, but maybe not in 5 years) judging by the specs, both these should last me for years, hopefully well past their 5 year warranty. Got any opinions?

Y yo me acabo de comprar el WD_Black SN850X 😧🤦 cuál será mejor ahora ? Entre el WD_Black SN850X y el Samsung 990Pro cuál de los 2 calienta menos ? porque en mi caso es para una Laptop y no puedo colocar el Disipador de calor ... Gracias

@ToMmY-lt7dw

Жыл бұрын

The samsung 990 pro is better overall for everyday use, and for operating system. The sn850x is a bit better, and faster for gaming tho. I belive they both heat up, but between the sn850x has heatsink versions available up to 2tb I belive, so its really up to you, what you would use it for.

you have top of the line high warranty pc components adds, cheers.