I would love to see a follow up video on how Ali Express deals with your complaint, what actions they take against the scammers, etc.

@Ricek73

10 ай бұрын

They won't do anything to the scammer, at most they will grant him a return and a refund, but the scammer will still sell on the portal.

@estusflask982

10 ай бұрын

@@The_Noticer. We do care. Ali should remove the sellers for good.

@sharpless

10 ай бұрын

I would assume that AliExpress would give the seller a bonus payout.

@Ricek73

10 ай бұрын

@@The_Noticer. 這就是騙子

@OGruurd

10 ай бұрын

They are the scammers. Come on people, dont be so incredibly naïve. Also, CCP has 50% of ALL cameras on the WHOLE planet. JUST TO SPY ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE. I have never seen a flag this red, well maybe Mao, but thats where they are going again. And if you are still not sure, read some about Tiananmen Square or Xinjiang. People of China keep strong.

The thing I hate about these scams isn't that people fall for them, it's the resources wasted to make these scam products. From the metal and plastics used in the casing and electronics to the energy used in manufacturing.

@sephondranzer

10 ай бұрын

Honestly couldn’t help but notice what a shame it was too - the amount of effort put into making that look like the real deal is sad.

@ChBhanuPrakashBCS

10 ай бұрын

A lot of people fall for these scams. These products are made fake so obviously that anyone with even a little knowledge will know that this is fake and won't buy it. But to these scamsters it's just a way of filtering out the smart people and the left over are the most innocent, unsuspecting victims. That whom they prey on unfortunately. Its the same with all those email scams of Nigerian prince, customs tax etc etc

@MasterThief117

10 ай бұрын

You're allowed to hate both.

@aonoloki

10 ай бұрын

E-waste out of the factory

@Live1509

10 ай бұрын

The dummies that buy them are guilty, that's what happen when you won't understand that there are limits to price lowering. Remember the first rule of market: if there is request there will be offer.

P.S. The 10TB+ USB SSD scam is sold everywhere from Amazon to Ebay to Walmart, it's farfrom an AliExpress issue

@joesterling4299

10 ай бұрын

Sold by whom, on Amazon? Never buy tech items from third-party sellers. Even if they're trying to be honest, they're not savvy enough to prevent getting scammed themselves in their inventories.

@kakhak

5 ай бұрын

Moreover, scammers who somehow operate from. Amazon, all are Chinese, Pakistani or India people.

AliExpress = Chinese scammer heaven.

It's kind of funny that they haven't changed the way they do this type of scam for 10+ years...

@snakeplissken8887

10 ай бұрын

Because counterfeits are their way of draining their opponents. If they can flood every market with counterfeit or low quality products at a markup price, they have effectively cornered and outmaneuvered the other guys market. They have every market segment flooded. Ebay, Amazon, WalMart, and so on. They can flood legitimate markets with bad quality stuff, they can replace easily for a mere fraction of the cost.

@mjc0961

10 ай бұрын

Why change if it keeps working? They keep doing it because people keep falling for it.

@DanielKarnole-fs3hm

10 ай бұрын

For real. I remember fake 64-128GB USB sticks from 2012

@andreasu.3546

10 ай бұрын

@@mjc0961 Yeah, never touch a running system.

@andreasu.3546

10 ай бұрын

@@DanielKarnole-fs3hm I just bough a Kingston and a Sandisk 128 GByte USB stick from Amazon and was honestly surprised to find out they actually work as expected.

Great video, thanks for looking into it and helping out the community!

Thanks der8auer for another great video! I really appreciate all you have taught me here on this channel.

You're a good person, Roman, and that's why any of us watch your content. Never quit.

one thing ive learned long time ago, is never buy storage in ali

@Zysperro

10 ай бұрын

Just don't buy SSDs with 0 reviews and that's all. Looks like the moderator here really hates Ali since he's deleting every comment that is remotely positive or neutral towards it...

@theMaster...

10 ай бұрын

​@@ZysperroDon't be a Simp for Communists. Not a good look...

@mohdrai-og4kh

10 ай бұрын

​​@@theMaster...I'm not a simp for anyone I just follow things that benefit me, the first reply said something right, if you buy something without any reviews regardless of the shitty website you're buying from, you will likely get played. It's been years for me buying from AliExpress because it's cheaper than Amazon and my country's stores. However, I am cautions whenever I buy from there.

@Zysperro

10 ай бұрын

@@theMaster... LMAO, are you American or smthn, bringing politics everywhere. I give credit when it's due, Ali provides good service and fair prices, especially for those outside of 1st world countries.

@JonesysMomma

10 ай бұрын

I have literally never had a problem buying anything off AliExpress but storage, which I got around by buying directly from the Samsung store, which I also have to do on Amazon. Besides the 3 storage products I didn't receive one product I've bought and I got a refund no questions asked. I also get to ask about warehouse conditions if I want, which is why I started shopping there, hair extensions.

I love videos like this, I've seen those drives before and wondered what's inside. No idea why they try to go so ridiculously fake capacities, surely they would con more people saying like 2TB for €40, not 64TB! I would love to see a follow up video on how Ali Express deals with your complaint, what actions they take against the scammers, etc.

@vocassen

10 ай бұрын

The thing is, they don't want normal people to fall for it, or it gets too much attention. Better have a few people fall for it that can not for one reason or another discern the scam within time for a refund, which includes people that simply do not have the time to lookup normal prices, reviews, or verify a drives full capacity, and are a bit naive/dumb

@issacehowardjr679

10 ай бұрын

Those scammers in some cases spend more money to make even more money than it's actually worth in the end. No worries... I almost confused myself there on that statement. lol

@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt

10 ай бұрын

@@vocassen quite possibly, I'm also surprised Ali Express doesn't have an automatic product description to price checker, this would clean it's site up of things like this and people would have a little more faith in ordering from them.

@vocassen

10 ай бұрын

@@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt Why? They profit from this And it won't be reliable anyway, right now at least normal people will delude themselves that they would never fall for a scam, and the allure of cheap products will keep some types of people coming anyway

@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt

10 ай бұрын

@@vocassen but that's like saying why do any shops ever sell anything that's real? I would fully expecting the total revenue Ali Express generates to increase significantly in the long run if the world fully trusted Ali Express listings and sellers.

As someone who has bought sketchy MicroSD cards off Wish before I'm very familiar with H2testw and how LONG it can take. I appreciate your time making this video.

@Vysair

9 ай бұрын

the test would be faster on a real ssd

Excellent video, I like how you go into depth and try to figure out these scams and what they use, Well done! You earned a subscriber.

AliExpress scams always make for great entertaining video. Would love to see more AliExpress scam videos in the future - or other oddities you typically don't see on everyday PC market

@mitch_the_-itch

10 ай бұрын

How about we stop giving money to Communists? Its not going to be nearly so funny when youre being sent to an oven by the Commie/Fascists.

@realryder2626

10 ай бұрын

The genuine products themselves are actually stolen IP.. Samsung has been stealing 'NETLIST's IP and manufacturing chips illegally. They have also teamed up with google (colluding to bankrupt netlist in order to obtain netlists patent portfolio due to a clause in the JDLA, but theyare trying to 1. Reinterpret the contract, and 2. Telling the judges to redefine law and language) to cause maximum financial, and material damage... so far, samsung is getting off lightly, they are on the hook for 303m, but have stolen billions, and even stopped Netlist supplying their own chips to their own clients, intentionally caused them tax problems and more.. Samsung are top-tier scammers

@rhuephus

10 ай бұрын

you'd be spending 1,000 hours a day 1,000,000 days a year watching them. Obviously you don't have a life

@Anticorriente

10 ай бұрын

At this rate we will need an open source ssd card for avoid this scams.

@kuoasify

10 ай бұрын

im not dumb enough to buy dumb things from them but did have good luck with there 11P 11pin USB Data Extension Cord 1 Female to 2 Male Y Splitter Cable after i needed it for controlling my RGB fans with but so far no issues after i had modified it into a 10 pin one which wasn't hard to do after i couldn't get one from Corsair

Thanks for the video!..Fake products is also becoming a real problem today

It's actually quite common to see the removal of IC markings on components that are purchased from the grey-market, rather than them being removed by the OEM/scammer themself. This is often just to remove date/batch codes so that they can't be easily traced back to a supplier.

It's good to spread awareness about it As a trained eye I instantly recognise these cases, there's dozens of them with different branding

You should be using the fake flash test program, it has a quick test mode that doesn't need to write the whole drive. It writes a small file every 1 MB or so apart, instead of filling up every single sector. It is pretty reliable at quickly testing these kinds of drives, even at slow speeds.

@SaraMorgan-ym6ue

5 ай бұрын

connect with computers well glad that is what it connects to🤣🤣🤣

@lavenderlilacproductions

4 ай бұрын

I learned of that software after getting a "deal" on a USB Stick advertised at 256 GB that overwrote every 32 GB.

@LostOnTheLine

2 ай бұрын

@@lavenderlilacproductions my experience as well. It will say the drive is good even when it is not 2/3 of the time

Note for the external drives with microSD cards, these days they use a controller that reads some config off the beginning of the card (hence why you were prompted to format, because it's the config and not the MBR at the start) to set the capacity and USB identifiers. If you put in a card without that config, it works like a normal SD card reader. The controller is off the shelf, the only trick is they can be configured by the card. The microSD card tends to be real capacity (when you use it in a regular reader), just low quality.

I really really love that little NVMe/SATA M.2 data extraction gadget you featured!!!! Awesome idea!

You're much more brave than me lol. I wouldn't even plug these into my PC. Who knows what kind of ransonware comes on some of these 😂

@marcogenovesi8570

10 ай бұрын

the test benches are disposable anyway

@sephondranzer

10 ай бұрын

He probably only used it in test environments. Guy’s too smart to plug that into his personal PC.

@silentleges7988

10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't plug it into anything of mine 😂 even if I had tons of extra PCs. All that stuff costs money and rolling the dice like that just isn't worth it to me I guess. I suppose just for the sake of making a video about what not to do I would plug it into an old/low end rig I didn't care about. Or plug it into like an isolated virtual machine of some kind if I knew how to do that lol.

@alispeed5095

10 ай бұрын

I expect he is using a test rig or something.

@joetuktyyuktuk8635

10 ай бұрын

My thoughts too, who knows what kind of software is hiding on these, especially the one that insists on internet connection, Keylogger, ransom ware... the only good thing is it might take awhile to steal your passwords.... 🤣

The firmware VA001CBN reveals a bunch of similar drives with about 128GB capacity, but the flash chip markings (lol, the random mixed ones on the "pro") are not Intel nor Micron (the main problem is the missing capacity after 29F). But if you unsolder these and put them into a nand programmer, it should read out the ID of the chip - to tell what it actually is inside. Ask around at some data recovery companies if they could ID the chip with their tools electronically.

@fleurdewin7958

10 ай бұрын

The flash chip logo looks exactly like IMFT (Intel) ones. I own an Intel 760P SSD and the flash all have that logo on them. Micron logo has an "M" inside the circle. The SSD controller silver colour top looks like a typical one from SMI .

@cameramaker

10 ай бұрын

@@fleurdewin7958 yes I noticed that too.. the typical intel double arrow oval. But if they made up the part number.. they could just forge the logo as well.

@katherinesilens2994

10 ай бұрын

calling in the nuclear option with supply chain identification lmao

New sub from Canada, PS love how your cat's just laying on your table and not caring about what's going on around him/her lol

I still dont understand why some people buy these things thinking they are going to get a good deal. You just cant get something for nothing. These scammers steal peoples hard earned money.. Thank You for showing this. Love your videos.

@crytocc

10 ай бұрын

Because people who aren't doing tech stuff on a constant basis will have no idea what a reasonable price is for this sort of thing, especially with the "tech constant gets cheaper" thing - and on the surface, there's no obvious difference between the misleading marketing that tech companies have been doing for decades, and the misleading marketing that these sellers are doing.

@lenaisx

10 ай бұрын

Not all money is hard earned, many earn easily.😂🤑

@midniteoyl8913

10 ай бұрын

'Everybody knows that China makes things for pennies on the dollar and if you just buy direct, cutting out the greedy middle man, you can save hundreds..'

@llothar68

10 ай бұрын

Talking with some Filipino and Thai tech sellers, it's really so bad that a mistake of 64GB vs 64TB is possible. They just don't know anything and don't care about precise specs. There is a absolute no money back gurantee even on fraud cases in this countries.

@Chris_Cable

10 ай бұрын

But then you couldn't make click bait youtube videos :)

Ah good, another episode of 'Engineer debunks stuff on Aliexpress'. Please, continue.

@InternetListener

10 ай бұрын

Not so engineer if he went to buy, import, avoid paying taxes, duties or custom clearance of a restricted product you can simply go and buy at any European shop with proper taxes, warranty and customer protection. Just a xenophobic video genre. What do you expect to find in an international Bazar? Aliexpress is good for cheap original Made in China or compatible (licensed or not) electronics, etc. Or to find very expensive western gimmick at very eastern cheap debunked tech. $5 Magic Brand Eraser sponge or 5 usd set of 10 sponges of melamine foam? Or ceramic magic coating for 100usd for 100 drops or a gallon of hydrophobic silica solution to spray? Or strange cable adaptors, electrònic misvelania, etc.

@wvjeepguy8178

10 ай бұрын

Xenophobic? Lol....ok..

@tokajst

10 ай бұрын

and it's not even debunking, he just bought from a scam vendor like a dumb person would do lol literally just read the reviews

@riphunter5100

10 ай бұрын

​@@InternetListener Dude he is just buying computer hardware so what restricted products are you talking about?? and the corrupted bureaucrats ain't gonna use the tax money for any good for society so better not to give them any.

@InternetListener

10 ай бұрын

@@wvjeepguy8178 too strong of a word in English, maybe. I'm sorry but didn't find any better suited synonim to the ethimological meaning. And didn't want to write a philosophical essay tech media youtube content neither do a Wall of Text. Fear to strange/foreigner things, I meant. Sometimes one gets lost in translation...

Great video. I also avoid "retail partner" sales on Amazon, Bestbuy etc. If it doesn't say "sold by Amazon", I'm suspicious. In the case of Bestbuy, I always avoid things designated "marketplace seller." There may be times when you can afford to take a chance, but be prepared to have to deal with a counterfeit. When it comes to usb devices, ssd drives, that sort of thing, I avoid them completely. It's also a good idea to have testing programs, such as the ones you used.

@joesterling4299

10 ай бұрын

That's it. Amazon should be held liable for anything fake they allow getting sold on their storefront by third parties. But they're not, so they're lax in policing such scams. It may be best just to go directly to the source of what you want--Samsung, e.g. Or a physical reputable store, like Microcenter. (We're regressing back to brick and mortar?)

Thank you, sir, for your information with regards to these 'fake' products.

Nice to see OEM surplus boxes being put to 'good' use... The same sort of scams occurred shortly after USB storage drives (pen drives) hit the market... very common in China...

There are plenty of people out there who are clueless when it comes to this. They won’t know what TB means or what makes the legit products so much more expensive. Imagine an old man who has been a carpenter all his life. To him, a hammer is a hammer and dealing with all the technical stuff is way too complicated.

I've been into this stuff for quite awhile now and when I started to see these "So Called" good deals pop up I already had a clue to what was going on and refused to waste my time and money on this stuff. Comparing price to size is Very telling and common sense will tell most people that this is nothing but a SCAM! If Aliexpress will allow this to go on then use your common sense and Don't buy this junk!! I think it's called To Good To Be TRUE😉. I thank everyone and YOU for showing how crooked a lot of these sellers are!

I'm amazed that you plugged that crop into your computer 🖥.

It's nice of them to hot glue the SD card in, that's more care than some OEMs of non scam hardware give.

@h8GW

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate the amount of air they give me inside the case. All the "legit" companies try to pad out my air with PCBs and ICs and use things like "solder" to try to stick things together...😔

you're one of my favorite tech youtuber der8auer, keep it up👍, i like when youtubers show fake or rip off products so more people are aware of them so they don't get duped or scammed, watch out for lack company logo and even mispellings in company logo, test it on asystem you don't really use or don't have important content on it and check if its specs especially in storage match the description of its box on your system specs and even if the system reads its for example 64 GB on the box or even its specs run tests on it to see that if it even have the correct storage internally cause sometimes these scammers write software on it that gives u the wrong specs and when you use tools to verify its real specs it might read differently but yes watch for lack of misspelled or not labeled products by the manufacturer product you planned on getting

There are multiple variants of those fake 980/990 Pros. If you deal with the retail versions of those SSDs long enough, you can immediately spot the fake ones right from the packaging. I believe there are even fake 870 Evo as well (seen the packaging, the text is way off from the real ones).

@KokoroKatsura

10 ай бұрын

a n i m e n i m e

@OGruurd

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I have a 980 and a 980 Pro, and I immediately thought; what a weird font for the text.

@minbcraft

10 ай бұрын

@@OGruurdThe font screams cheap chinese product to me lol

@OGruurd

10 ай бұрын

@@minbcraft What do you reckon? Chinese entities + tampering with tech = some kind of spying? is what my gut says. Inbefore they start replacing DRAM and Cache, with mini cameras & mics. I hope I have my tin foil hat on lol.

@rhuephus

10 ай бұрын

Yeah ... especially the ones labeled as "Pors" or "Psor"

You're very knowledgeable on the matter of tech. Hope all your other videos are as good and with the same translation.

At least the first one isn't pernicious to the point of writing over the old data. You may well find out the scam before it bites you hard. Very cool of you to do this.

To get full speed with these drives you need to plug in a USB mounted SC/AM adapter, it opens up the limitation. Only now for $50.

@AnimationByDylan

10 ай бұрын

I hope you’re right, I have two of these. Where can I get the adapter? Thanks!

@yoshy2628

9 ай бұрын

@@AnimationByDylan You have to buy more external hard drives from Ali, the SC/AM adapter is included.

I bought an external HDD also, and found that it had weights inside even. Crazy lengths they go to sell these

@delresearch5416

10 ай бұрын

some ssds are so light hey need weights

@Physics072

9 ай бұрын

Why would you buy from them? Do you buy TVs out the back of a van in a dark alley too? You pay for junk you get junk wake up.

Yeah, I bought one of those 40Tb USB SSDs, sort of expected it to be bogus, which it was. It came up as being "there" as a connected device, but writing files into it got progressively slower . . . and slower . . . and slower, and finally died in the process. Apparently they have some software trick to make it look like xxTb, but in reality, a few Gb is what's there, and basically unusable. Amazingly, I actually got a refund (from Wish) though it took several weeks. Quite fun watching your video . . . thanks.

Good review, and thank you for the effort to spread this awareness about ssd scam, and also, that's is one cute orange tabby cat :D

exFat is actually quite common for an SSD / external device. NTFS can be inefficient / not supported by other systems.

@jimshannononsounds

9 ай бұрын

My recent Samsung 970 Evo plus 2Tb m.2 ssd using Samsung's in house cloning software by default sets the cloning process as NTFS. Pardon the clunky writing. Still waking up. LOL

These SSD scams were so prevalent in Facebook ads. As quickly as they showed up, they were taken down. It's shameful how much effort these scammers go through to rob people when they could go to making actual contributions instead.

@davidrobertson1980

10 ай бұрын

Friend of mine was taken for a ride on "used almost new laptops" for $70 with good specs, and an new electric bike for a stupid price (price of a battery pack), they use average looking white folks standing alongside the boxes "in the warehouse:" so these might well be local scammers - fakecrook doesn't shut down the fake ads either, greedy thieves both of them!

I gotta say, I am impressed with the scammer's modifications to the controller to slow down write rates. That avoids getting an outright write error and gives them a way to extend the scam by creating as much confusion for the user as possible. Since SSDs, and NVME drives in particular, allocate blocks dynamically (literally they use a key,data scheme internally where the 'key' is basically the block number), it is possible to make the SSD appear to be as large as you like. And it will even work up until the point where the flash fills up. Since vendors put varying amounts of extra flash in real drives, the "capacity" is just a programming parameter in the controller, completely independent from the actual amount of physical flash available. The scammers programmed the parameter to be super huge and then it looks like they must have implemented a write-slow-down feature to delay actually filling up the true capacity of the flash, preventing the end-user realizing that the device is a scam. Impressive. -Matt

@ampac

10 ай бұрын

There is no speed modification. These devices usually contain two basic components: an off-the-shelf USB SD card controller along with the corresponding storage medium, and a dedicated programmable chip that implements the scam (and you can buy these chips in aliexpress). In the most simple scams, this chip is just falsely advertising the type of device and its capacity. In more elaborate scams, the chip is actually manipulating the read and write operations so that the device produces no read/write errors when exceeding its capacity. Basically, the storage is overwritten in round-robin fashion which will produce data loss but no write errors. So, some testing software that uses "small" test files is not able to easily detect the scam. The only very noticeable problem is the slow transfer speed.

Thank you for a great review - excellent job.

15:52 tells it all on the screen print its a Realtek demo board with 128GB. I got 2 of these a couple months ago, Ali express gave a full refund.

I think for those M.2 drives they took some generic drive and reprogrammed the controller so that the speed would approach 0 as the drive reached its real capacity.

@chengcao418

10 ай бұрын

If a real SSD has the controller forced to a size larger than it actually has it will probably just drop speed to zero because it can't find any more empty block. Also with less capacity left the drive drops speed naturally, it's just how SSDs work

Nice video, well done, thanks for sharing it with us :)

The effort you put opening those things made me subscribe

Not only does a 980 Evo not exist. As far as I'm aware (I was looking for one a few weeks ago), Samsung doesn't even make 4TB NVME drives. The highest they go is 2TB. Western Digital makes 4TB NVME drives, but not Samsung. The only "4TB EVO" drives Samsung currently makes are 2.5 inch SATA drives.

@AntonChekhoff

3 ай бұрын

I don't see Samsung on the packaging. People, who buy these products, need to be more attentive. Did the seller claim it was a Samsung product?

This happened to me a few years ago. I bought a 2TB external drive, turned out to be 80GB drive. AliExpress returned my money immediately without having to return the drive AND the store disappeared a few days later. :) EDIT: Also, two weeks ago I was trying to buy a Samsung 980 Pro 2TB. I tried ScAmazon, BestBuy Canada, and Staples, all of them wanted around $200 plus $150 for shipping ( ! ! ! ) Yes, I live in a remote area, but checking shipping rates it only costs $12 to mail me the parcel. So, I reluctantly looked to AE for one. Found a 980Pro for $203 CAN$ with free shipping. I made sure that the company had at least 1000 sales and a rating of 95% or higher positive feedback. Got my drive 3 days ago and everything is 100% legit, and registered with Samsung for warranty purposes. :)

@anuvette

10 ай бұрын

150$ shipping 😭 that is outrageous

It's pretty standard for these scam drives to use a generic USB enclosure, from what I've seen from other people. Also the controller has a hacked firmware, that makes the storage device identify as a specific size. What it does is just to recycle data when it gets full, so it overwrites itself. Which makes it look like it's working if you put a file that is smaller than the actual storage capacity of the SD card inside. So if you put in something larger, it will seem corrupted. Sometimes they put some weights inside as well to make it feel like it is a legit device. So at least you get a "free" and crappy microSD card! ;P

@winterscrescendo

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, the USB enclosures are something you can buy for ~£5. The first one der8auer looked at in this video looks almost identical to an enclosure I owned about 4 years ago. The enclosures themselves aren't scams though - you take the end with the USB connection off (normally secured with a single screw) and there's a USB to Sata interface underneath. Plug a 3.5" Sata SSD in there to make a custom external SSD or just to re-use an old system drive. Looks like the vendor for these scam drives is just pulling the original end off the enclosure and throwing a 3d printed one on.

@ficklampa

10 ай бұрын

@@winterscrescendo Well, sadly nowadays these enclosures are scams. Sadly there is no USB to SATA interface on the inside, it's just a USB-C female to SD card reader (which you would've seen if you watched the video). I think they just buy the case without internals in bulk for cheap, and then put their reader inside... doesn't look very 3D printed, looks just cheapily molded and hot glued in place, or they just reuse the original bracketry without the stock electronics

@ric_dk-9520

10 ай бұрын

Most I have encountered just write into nothing when they reach their max capacity. So first data is ok, but what ever is written after capacity is reached is lost.

@ficklampa

10 ай бұрын

@@ric_dk-9520 Yeah, I forgot about that scenario as well. That I think is more modern maybe? Since it makes it harder to find out that it's fake storage when doing the quick copypaste a file, see if it opens test

Thanks for doing this! I was looking at getting one of the external ssd for my x box that is in my semi truck. Guess I’ll just get a western digital black for it.

Good thing you have a test bench, I would be greatly worried plugging this in where it can inject malware and whatnot.

The moment i saw the transfer speed of the 64TB drive i got the feeling it was just an enclosure with a small flash card inside. I've never used AliExpress and likely never will, I tend to go to established tech retailers even if it means paying a small premium for peace of mind.

@vocassen

10 ай бұрын

Yeah really no reason to use it unless you have very specific needs for electronic components. Consumer products? Better stay away

@guycxz

10 ай бұрын

@@vocassen It mostly depends on where you live. Where I'm from Amazon is both more expensive and slower, so I'd more often get things from Ali. I got replacement cushions for my HD6XX, a Wok, Noctua NF-A9 fans, Phantex T30 fans, a torque wrench, IEMs(Tin T2 and Moondrop Starfield), CPUs(Haswell and Skylake), a whole bunch of dev boards and electronic components, and a bunch of other stuff I don't even remember. Never got scammed. Not even once. And whenever something didn't arrive or couldn't be sent either the seller or Ali would issue a refund. I'm not saying it's perfectly safe or as good as Amazon in terms of customer service and protection, but in the utter majority of cases you're going to get what you paid for.

@JustSomeDinosaurPerson

10 ай бұрын

Just use it for anything non tech related.

@snakeplissken8887

10 ай бұрын

@@guycxz Those CPUs they sold you are likely ES or QS and not production qualified / ready.

@snakeplissken8887

10 ай бұрын

They aren't allowed to sell production ready CPUs that aren't crippled in their market. We have very strict control over what they are allowed to keep and sell.

I never thought I'd hear the words "Scammed" and "AliExpress" togehter in the same sentence! lol j/k That's about all I expect. Thanks for the video!

Great timing for me on this video as I was looking at some of the NVME drives on Alibaba, I know they are fake and are using old chips and controllers. With the outright lie of capacity and speed is enough to detour from any purchase. Then with anything is the reliability of this garbage. Should have learned my lesson from the SSD I bought a while back that would pop in and out of Windows and was really slow. Couldn't even use for file transferring as it would just stop reading after a bit. Good Video!

Honestly after seeing all of these scams I'd just have bought a 1TB NVMe SSD, put it in a USB-C enclosure and call it a day. (if you're planning on doing this remember to make sure the SSD has DRAM cache or else it might be using HMB that does not work over USB - it does work over thunderbolt though if it has access to PCIe lanes)

The funny thing is that I actually bought a 64GB MicroSDXC card from AliExpress for my Nintendo Switch. Price was around what you'd expect, and the performance was also as advertised (around 10x the speed of the product Roman actually received, lmao). It wasn't a deal that sounded too good to be true though. 😅

@JonesysMomma

10 ай бұрын

I'm amazed. The only storage I've bought from them that worked was from the official Samsung store 😭

@Deses

10 ай бұрын

Aliexpress is not a scam per se, and you can get plenty of good quality stuff in there, you just have to buy from you reputable brands and stay away from "too good to be true" deals.

Thank You Roman for showing others how this SCAM is done. I tell a lot of people but im unknown lol

Always make sure you are purchasing from reputable vendors, especially if you are thinking about backing up your collection of CD's.

Goes to show why we must "de risk" our dealings with China. Don't buy and you won't get scammed! If it says Made in China, buyer beware. Look elsewhere or do without.

Kudos to you, buying these fakes before they ended up in the hands of those who wouldn't have a clue.

@NobbsAndVagene

10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, the types of people who wouldn't have a clue are extremely unlikely to watch a video like this.

@sihamhamda47

10 ай бұрын

​@@NobbsAndVageneall we have to do is share this awareness to as many people as possible

They're add descriptions are almost always very cryptic, Be very careful of the fine print. They are very slow in shipping and in cases like this that is good, gives you time to cancel. Of products I have gotten from them , finally, have been OK and work. But I feel you are very correct in this case and cancelled the one I ordered. Good work sir.

The one I'm most curious about is the NVME drives. What did they put in there? It works as an NVME drive. But it slows down so drastically the capacity must also be fake. And if it is, how did they do it?

You have to be careful when plug those fake disk. They usually come with malware hidden within the hard drive partition or within the chip itself.

@robertr.1879

10 ай бұрын

How do yo know? ;-)

Be wary of buying SD cards from Amazon. Even ones sold by Amazon are fake.

@verbose2615

10 ай бұрын

Amazon is fake

@tralfazy

10 ай бұрын

That's not my experience (so far). Also, if I were to get something fake from Amazon they would take it back and refund as soon as UPS picks it up and logs it in, not tell me that I can have a refund if I ship it back to China at a cost that's 100 times more than the product is worth.

@snakeplissken8887

10 ай бұрын

Only if you buy from 3rd party. If you buy with Prime you will get legitimate products shipped from the manufacturer to Amazon. 3rd party and second-hand / warehouse deals do not count.

@_--_--_

10 ай бұрын

@@tralfazy Very hard to tell a good fake. Visually they are almost perfect now, even the packaging. A good fake will also have performance that is atleast barely in the ball park. The problem btw is not that Amazon willingly sells fakes, the problem is that (some) Amazon 3rd party vendors are scammers and sell fakes with shipping with Amazon *and* Amazon will then combine the inventory of all vendors that sell a product and their own inventory, so if you order SD card x with seller Amazon you might actually get the Sd card from seller ScamMaster3000 and the other way around someone that orders from ScamMaster3000 with Amazon Shipping might get the genuine Amazon stock.

@pineappleroad

Ай бұрын

⁠@@snakeplissken8887 I have heard of cases where even Amazons supply chain has become contaminated with fakes (from what i know it tends to only be specialist stores that get their products directly from the manufacturer, there are companies which form the link between retail stores/online stores and the manufacturer) It could even be the case that amazon doesn’t keep the stocks of different sellers separate (so you could buy a product and receive a product that was sent to amazons warehouse by a different seller) Even well known physical stores have ended up with fake products on the shelves

apologies. only just now, after all these years, subbed.

Flash drives, rechargeable lithium batteries and power bank capacities are some of the biggest online scams. It's worth doing a little research ahead of time to find out what the average price is for these things.

On Aliexpress you don't get scammed, you get what you deserve.

Who would have thought that a Chinese website would attempt to scam their customers?

@That_Stealth_Guy

10 ай бұрын

HMMM, imagine that...OH wait it happens on US based company websites as well. Throughout history , where there is a penny to be made , SOMEONE will defraud someone else regardless of national origin.

@theMaster...

10 ай бұрын

​​@@That_Stealth_Guy'Throughout history' versus today? And what about the continuously stolen intellectual property? And the Uyghurs? And the very recent Corona that wiped out how many of your family and neighbours? Please, continue to defend the Communists, it's fascinating to see you in action...

@adonissherlock

10 ай бұрын

@@That_Stealth_Guy It's not about doing it or not. China does it way more. Especially this kind of fake product, which you almost never see made in the US.

Thanks U from France ,i'm just wondered if it was interesting to buy this kind of SSD in Aliexpress ,you gave me the answer 😅😅😅

Kitty seems to have a keen scent for scams!

i try to not support authoritarian regimes, so i avoid products made in china, imported from china

@estusflask982

10 ай бұрын

so, almost everything?

@FeintMotion

10 ай бұрын

This nerd sending these comments to KZread via carrier pigeon

@theMaster...

10 ай бұрын

Good for you. I try not to buy anything from China too. Sometimes it can't be avoided, but there's definitely alternatives to a lot of their trash...

@JonesysMomma

10 ай бұрын

How are you using electronics? What kind of phone do you use?

@michal1693

10 ай бұрын

@@JonesysMomma - I use Samsung phone, it's not made in china.

Great video 👏👏 keep up the good work u save people alot of money 💰💰

hahahaha , just love your cat's indifference, LOOOL (you do what you have to do, I will just mind my own business here, IN YOUR FACE!)

As a very young boy I learned that no matter WHAT it is, unless you're at a garage sale or yard sale (those are big here in the States) most likely if it sounds too good to be true, IT IS.

The price is just so obvious . People who buy these BARGAINS deserve all the grief they get

I like this kind of work (investigative) good job.

Greetings from Sydney... I love ya cat bro... Also good review 👍😉

You should also watch out for smartphone replacement batteries with significantly higher capacities than the standard types 🙄 ( 4800 mAh vs. 3000 mAh in my case 🙄 - but it turned out that it was only around 10 % better in a video loop test than my 2.5 years old battery ). Maybe it would be a great idea, if we could make some sort of independent blacklist site, where unhappy customers could report these '"Aliexpress" type scam companies and their false products in various categories, so that we could all help each others knowing which companies and which products to avoid?

Nice to see we have at least something technological still here in Finland

Fun video, suggestion for a followup would be to test aliexpress drives that seems legit. I got a Fanxiang S500PRO 2TB nvme drive for around 70 euro, I did try to test it as much as possible and it looks legit, even has clamied speeds and size so I use it as a game drive, still cheap for 2TB I think.

For the external usb drives, one would just have to flash/hack the ssd/SD card controller to show a false number. It's similar to gpu flashing where for example a Nvidia GTS 450 shows up as a RTX 2060.

@ampac

10 ай бұрын

It is more elaborate than that. The scam chip produces a false advertisement. But it also intercepts the read/write operations so that there are no errors when there is an operation over the real capacity of the device. These devices usually allow you to write any amount of data to the device because they overwrite the storage when the capacity is reached. So, you never get a write error despite the data loss. And this is what makes this scam dangerous: casual users that trust amazon and other major retailers, will write data on these devices and never get a write error. Only later will they find that older data is either corrupted or simply gone.

Thank you for sharing this info! Very interesting.

Should’ve went with crucial as I use crucial for my ram and solid-state drives and they’re on point and reasonably priced on Amazon. I was able to put 64 gigs of RAM laptop and extra 1TB SSD in my laptop for $120 for all 3

Thank you for bringing these fakes to our attention.

Wow! Very interesting! I'm in Japan and ordered some batteries for Sony A7C. They came a month after I ordered. And not only that! In the photo, they advertise 2 battery sets and in reality, it was one single battery. Now I'm worried because when I plugged in the battery, my camera said it was not a reliable product. Still, it works but I wondered if it's going to damage my camera.

i love the orange cat just chilling 😻

I have never seen a CPU casing as the one in the sponsor segment. But somehow I really like the aesthetics of it.

And the EVO even had a cat-scan too.

I'm surprised he's never heard or read about these drives and how they work before, they're quite common. They basically have a small SD card in them, like he said, but they're made so that they copy over itself over and over to make it seem like it can write 60TB of data. Any data written will of course actually get re-written on top of it and will be completely corrupt and unusable.

Why would you even buy an SSD or RAM from AliExpress? You had it coming. 😂

Great video. Samsung m.2 drives are awsome. As far as I'm aware Samsung is the only major company that hasn't a 4Tb drive on the market.

I love how Roman could barely get through the intro without almost laughing.

A few years ago, in Turkey, I bought a beautifully made (and beautifully detailed) Nike belt for next to nothing. I was very happy with it, but it had one slight problem. According to a friend of mine, who, managing a local Footlocker, had a good knowledge of Nike's product range, Nike, at the time, did not manufacture belts.

seagate years ago use to make drives for backups called backups + that is where the box came from. The drives were HDD back then as well

What I don't understand is why (even genuine) are so different in price when it comes to the PCIe SSD & Sata SSD. The SSD's in the case have more to them. Like a case. The PCIe SSD's are just a circuit board. Surely they must cost less to produce, yet they will be 3 times the price.

The outer shell of these looks like some of the generic external HDD/SSD enclosures you can buy.

@volvo09

10 ай бұрын

There is probably a massive stock of them somewhere and they can be bought by the pallet load for scrap aluminum value... Or hauled away for free so someone can get their warehouse space back.

Thank you for this informative video!

exFAT is normal for larger capacity drives also on external drives so to be compatible with Windows, Mac and most Linux distros while internal drives seem to go with NTFS. It also goes with exFAT as the seller doesn't know if you will plug in and leave it or move it between systems with different OSes. exFAT was made to be the most compatible file system instead of one of the high security file systems like NTFS is trying to be. In that using exFAT makes sense even though it rarely is on a SSD as most SSDs are internal not external drives.

They claim to have scam protection. 75-day Buyer Protection. Get a refund if the item arrives late or not as described. You should file a claim and see if it works or not.