I was the first one who made a video about this design flaw, but I'm not sure if I was the first one who noticed this problem. We received a bunch of laptops with fried controller chips on Samsung's SSDs that didn't have proper cooling and the chip didn't even touch the thermal pad. Later, Samsung came up with the 980 PRO with a built-in heatsink. And if you remove that heatsink, guess what you'll see inside? Yes, there will be several thermal pads with different thicknesses, just as I showed you in the video. But they went even further and made separate pads for small chips as well. You can check out the pictures: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg

@cmos64

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video and for showing the thermal pad height difference on a built-in heatsink. I want to point out a worse issue that it still going strong without a single try to be fixed by motherboard manufacturers. Because of the height difference between the NAND and the other chips (controller, ram etc) build-in heatsinks on the motherboards push the M.2 drives down resulting in bent PCBs (google "nvme bent under heatsink" to see pictures of the issue). Different height thermal pads or putty are necessary not only to maintain normal temperature on high load but to avoid damaging the drive physically by applying too much force on one side of the PCB.

@KOT-ANGRY

9 ай бұрын

OMG, found your video ❤, i have 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus in my Lenovo laptop and...one disk when im gaming reaches 84C (controller temp), now HWinfo64 is showing 3 temps for these 970 Evo Plus, and 3rd temp is controller (like in your video)! Looked for pads - these 0.5mm costs 26€ for 1 little pad (why so expensive) 😮? I will try my luck in aliexpress mby 😢

@KOT-ANGRY

9 ай бұрын

P.S. I noticed it ~year ago, now one amigo said that im crazy and these temps are super hot for SSD! A lot of forums here... When i installed it (changed my 970 evo 500gb to this 970 E P 2tb) i noticed that here are height difference on Samsung ssds!!! Thats annormal, Samsung, what are you doing?

@ElectronicsComputers

9 ай бұрын

@@KOT-ANGRY There are way better thermal pads nowadays like GELID: alii.pub/6t99o1

@othername2428

5 ай бұрын

​@@ElectronicsComputers very helpful and informative, thank-you. I'm curious though, would it be okay to just buy 1 thermal pad only, 0.5mm, and double-stack two 0.5mm pads on top of each other in place of the 1mm section, just to save a bit of money? Or would you highly recommend using the dedicated 1mm pad regardless?

Finally someone with a really good advice who does not force me to watch 20 min video. Big thanks!

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help! Thank you for the comment!

@pdazajhon2160

Жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers Appreciate videos like yours, direct and straight to the point, thanks.

@Tressie13

11 ай бұрын

Oh yes!!

@leonelantonio36

11 ай бұрын

Indeed nice video!

@videocruzer

8 ай бұрын

Yah well clicking for views is what it seems to be all about. if I were to create a video on this topic, I would have opened it showing what kind of data loading and or video editing it takes to get the drive even close to its thermal throttle speed of 80c. as the average users of this kind of hardware will never even get them close to the throttled limits. `if the drives temps were high, they would have been engineered / sold with heat syncs from the factory to ensure customer satisfaction, Ie like the high-end gen 5 drives all seem to have heat spreaders from the factory.

You just solved my mystery, bro. I also have a laptop with Samsung 970EVO Plus which gets hot like hell it even starts to smell like something's melting inside. I replaced the thermal pad twice and it didn't help. Today, I installed two cheap thermal pads 0.5mm and 1mm thick and OMG what a difference. And how as a regular consumer am I supposed to know that Samsung SSDs need two different pads to cool them down properly? Please Samsung tell me.

@ElectronicsComputers

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I could help you with your problem.

@WarPigstheHun

Жыл бұрын

You can also put a thermal pad on the back of the PCB and place it (gently) against the mobo- the pad is electrically insulated, and the mobo itself is a giant heatsink. The m.2 socket is a tiny spring loaded hinge, and it will not break.

@divers.studio5666

Ай бұрын

same problem here I just hit 108°C

Love the fact that you made a base line stock vs stock + new thermal pads

For most situations where the original pad was 1mm, I needed to use 1mm and 1.5mm. I tried using 0.5mm at first, since thinner is better, but in a few applications this resulted in poor contact with the heatsink, or even none at all. Meanwhile, adding the thickness to the controller side has worked well every time.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

You can use any combination of pad thickness that works with your cooling system, but the difference between pads should be 0.5mm just like in your case.

@HaywoodCrossJr

11 ай бұрын

If you were to do it agian would you do 1mm and 1.75mm? Or does the 1mm and 1.5 work perfect?

@computerjantje

Ай бұрын

Yes I also used 1 and 1.5 to be sure it was touching the enclosure. Like the video creator says: as long as the difference is 0.5 between the two.

Thank you! I looked for differences between silicone thermal pads and there really isn't much information on them, I didn't really want to use what comes with a $15.00 m.2 heatsink so this showed me I'm right to get something better.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I just mounted one of this 980pro recently, but didn't realize about that different on surface. I'll update the thermal pad next weeks. Thanks for making this video.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Thank you so much for the demostration! I am on my way to order this thermal pads to solve the overheating issues!

@ElectronicsComputers

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@kingcobralive3081

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers on bottom side do we need to apply the 1 mm one or .5 mm one ? Want to install firecuda 530 with heatsink on ps5 ?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingcobralive3081 If that heat sink requires a thermal pad at the bottom of the SSD, then use 0.5mm one. Otherwise I wouldn't use it at bottom of the drive.

Thank you for this great self help improvement. I did not know a Ruskie can be as detailed as a Gerry.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about?

Great video, thanks. I’ll be sure to do this with my laptop. I was wondering if you’ve seen a big difference between thermal grizzly pads and other brands? Are we talking about only one or two *C or is it a bigger difference of say 5*C or more in the delta between stock pads and third party?

@ElectronicsComputers

3 жыл бұрын

The difference between the expensive and cheap no name pads is no more than 3-5C

@alvareo92

2 жыл бұрын

Biggest aspect should be durability

@drl52488

2 жыл бұрын

Thermal grizzly always amazes me. You have to be careful buying it though, a lot of Chinese knockoffs out there

@reshad711

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers Hello, I have a laptop, I can also install it this way, or which nvme is not enough to warm up. which model will fit.

Very enlightening. I would not have thought to worry about the different thickness of the chip-set and the controller. I might just pick up a Samsung 980 Pro, (or two.)

Hi @Electronics&Computers, thanks for the great video. One of the best tutorials in the last decade. My question is can and „shall“ I use the 0.5mm Thermalpad method on my samsung oem 980 pro (pm9a1) 2TB and my 980 pro 1tb. I am going to use both under the thermal guards (onboard heatsinks) in my desktop gigabyte gaming x z690 ddr5 mainboard. Both heatsinks have pre installed thermalpads by gigabyte. My plan is just to use the cutout 0,5mm thermalpad on the controller side to align with the height of the nands to make it even. The thermalguard of the mainboard with the pre installed thermalpads would then overlap/sync with both the nands and the 0.5mm controller compound. Are u seeing any issues with doing so or any better idea to close the controller gap under a pre installed mainboard heatsink. Thanks in advance.

This point, that the heights are different, is critical. Good video.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

THANK YOU!!! My 980 Pro running on PCIe4 went from 67 degrees down to 46 degrees after doing this!! :D

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Great job!

@CaptainScorpio24

2 жыл бұрын

damn 😰🔥👍

Everything is clear and understandable. Thank you. I have 970s.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

thank you for the comment!

Thanks for the demoinstration. Got those Grizzly pads and was able to level all chips on my SX8200 PRO. Without the extra 0.5mm pad, the controller, which is the chip that actually gets hottest, was not touching the heatsink at all ! For SX8200 PRO, you actually need both 0.5m and 1mm pads - 0.5mm over the controller and 1mm where the SSD board misses a chip (on one side near the pin end).

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

@revanvonheaven8270

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers I have a question how do you wrap a Ram card with thermal pads on it and is it okay to slowly untape the brand Crucial per say and paste it on top of the thermal pad or would that just void my warranty not that I care I just want to put thermal pads everywhere doing a huge repasting of my laptop I have never done the M2 and Ram but this was educational thank you!.

Great video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

perfect! I had the same problem, thanks to your modification I'm 10 degrees cooler now! Many thousand thanks for this valuable video! :🥳💪👍

@ElectronicsComputers

11 ай бұрын

Great job! Glad it helped.

Really short and informative! Thanks for the video!

@ElectronicsComputers

5 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Bought some items from your links so I hope I helped a bit. Thanks for the video tutorial!

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy to help and thank you for your support!

I noticed this exact thing on the Kingston Kc3000 and was wondering if I should do something different with the heat sink. Very glad to find your simple solution

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I could help you!

Muy interesante que ese pequeño espacio haga la diferencia, gracias por compartir. Saludos.

This is a good follow-up from your "Upgrade your Dell XPS 9500 Series" video, which I followed to upgrade my 9510 with the 980 and am now experiencing even worse heat than I was before!

@ElectronicsComputers

11 ай бұрын

What thermal pads did you use? There's a 0.4-0.5mm difference between chips. So you need to put for example a 1mm pad on the controller chip and a 0.5mm pad on the memory chips.

@imakethesites3048

11 ай бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers I didn't know I needed thermal pads, I just put a heatsink that seems to have one already

nice info thanks! i saw some people complaint about the pro not performing well under heavy load :)

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Cheers buddy, this video was awesome!

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great video and thank you for your detailed explanation. In my case, I have a 970 pro samsung nvme in my desktop. Is the procedure the same if I purchase the thermal pads (0,5 & 1)and a EKWB EK-M.2 NVME Heatsink? I am having serious temprature problems with the controller of the nvme.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, 0.5mm and 1mm pads will do the job.

@aidenreaper4196

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers Do I have to buy both? I am using the nvme in a tower not a laptop. I think that you mentioned in the video that a thick thermal pad should do the trick.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@aidenreaper4196 If your cooling solution allows you to use 1-1.5mm thick thermal pad then in most cases no need to use two thermal pads.

@maxhughes5687

2 жыл бұрын

The location of your m.2 socket will matter also. On the mobo under a GPU is awful. Mounted up on a PCIe AIC the cooler gets more air flow. If you have a GEN4 socket away from other components use that. If you have the clearance an air cooler with heat pipes is best. Or of coarse a Corsair water block is the best solution right now. I agree with E&C match the pad height to the chip height and use the best pads you can find. 12W/kM or 8WkM, standard pads are just 1.5WkM.

@Lead_Foot

2 жыл бұрын

The EK m.2 heatsink already comes with thermal pads with different thicknesses.

You kidding? This is super helpful. Wow what a quick and simple thing to improve Temps of the M.2's

@ElectronicsComputers

10 күн бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Which type of heatsink should I get on my laptop that can pair well with thermal grizzly? My laptop is asus zephyrus g15.

I went to re-pad my desktop and discovered the 970 Evo Plus doesn't measure the same as the 980 Pro. The controller was making contact at the same height as the memory, but with no contact in the middle where all those smaller components are. This is in conflict with some other reports of the same model, it may be different for various capacities, or they could have updated the design at some point.

@trixniisama

Жыл бұрын

Same for me, the NAND and controller of the 970 Evo Plus are at the same height

@wc.j3911

9 ай бұрын

@@trixniisamaso theres no need to separate / cut the pads?

Without any heatsink and thermal pad, i was pumping up to 98'c when stress testing on my NVMe Samsung 970 pro 1tb. Suprisingly, it has lasted a whole year without a heatsink, but the temperatures for sure, were making me very nervous when i discovered them. So: Having now installed a heatsink after buying one, i am down to 75'c max under stress conditions. Still a bit hot, but this is faaaarr more normal, and i can have more confidence that i am OK to push the drive. Definitely invest in a heatsink for Samsung 970/980 nvme's. Knowing what i do now...i am SHOCKED that Samsung did not provide a heatsink with this particular product. The temperatures are clearly Dangerous by design.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you! With such uneven surface design, they should have applied a built-in heatsink (just a custom built copper or aluminum stripe) like other manufacturers do. That would solve the problem.

@car3448

2 жыл бұрын

What brand cooler did you buy? I am looking at a be quiet m.2 heatsink right now and want to know if yours is better

@paulmiddleton7168

2 жыл бұрын

@@car3448 I bought a QIVYNSRY M.2 Heatsink from amazon for like £7 (US $9) and it solved all my temperature worries. It was cheap, all i wanted, and did the job. Installation difficulty: 1/10 Its super easy to install, as easy as lego bricks. I used the One thermal pad method, and its fine.

@teemuvesala9575

Жыл бұрын

They are not. I've used 960 Pro for over 5 years without heatsink, still works well and according to Magician the drive is still in perfect health.

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

970 is normal though wo heatsink it maxed at 60s (67 or smth)

Thanks alot. You helped me alot with this. Squared away my overheating issues with my new drives.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Excellent video!! It makes a lot of sense too. Thanks for the information. I have found this problem recently with my Dell XPS. It has been causing me issues. Now, I have it on the run.

@ElectronicsComputers

7 ай бұрын

Glad it helped! Samsung actually fixed the problem with their SSD heat sink version in the same way: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg

Thanks so much for this! My laptops 980 Pro temps have dropped to 54c on the same benchmark and even after running Samsungs magician benchmark right after the max temp was only 63c! It is only on pci gen 3 but still impressive as the m.2 is next to my cpu and only uses a thin aluminium heatsink.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Good job!

What a great video. I'm currently looking into acquiring a pcie slot for SSD and researching all the needed info. Thanks a lot. This was so helpful.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I could help you!

This is a GOOD video. No.. Its a GREAT video. Brings a murky problem into specific relief. Concise. Bravo Sir

@ElectronicsComputers

10 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Today I found this video again, and after many searches and researching this video is the best way to do it. The only thing to think of is that the memory chips don't like cooling they work beter with some heating.🤔 Well that's what I read. Now it's time to see if massive heatsink from ICY box will help my 990 PRO m. 2 But I am impressed by how good the motherboard Z590-E can cool by design. Because my first tryout with a heatsink and fan wash not working, and think this video show why that can be. Thank you for the opportunity again to rethinking the best way to apply the heat patches. 👍💯

@ElectronicsComputers

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment! I'm happy to help. And don't leave those NAND chips without a heatsink. There are no electronic components that like heat, well, maybe except for electron tubes/vacuum tubes. Even if there's some slight performance boost for a warm chip, which you'll never notice in real life, there's a bunch of other components around that definitely won't be happy with high temperatures.

Great video. I feel it would make sense to do each chip separately. This way the conduction from the hotter controller doesn’t heat up the other chips. This probably isn’t possible in a laptop but in a desktop would be ideal.

@Fluvance

2 жыл бұрын

This only makes sense if you have individual heatsinks. But it's actually better to have a large heatsink so that the controller and cache have a large shared heatsink to dissipate into. For SSDs, the heatsinks aren't really for continuous heat dissipation, but more as a temporary heat buffer for short bursts. Because the typical workload involves short burst transfers that will spike the chip temperature for a few seconds, rather than long sustained transfers, in which case your small heatsink included on most SSDs or motherboards isn't nearly enough to handle the ~3W heat output for long periods without airflow.

@carlose6010

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fluvance So in otherwords you're saying I'm screwed xD. I want a drive to hold 1tb of gopro 4k footage.. seems transfering this footage the ssd gets hot in my laptop.. Gonna try bumping the fans and see if it'll help nexted time. Atleast once the data is on, it should be ok.

@DavidsonLoops

Жыл бұрын

@@Fluvance it sounds like you know what youre talking about im in hotel now i cant get my tv to work, how i can change the source without the remote working properly on an old phillips tv that hasnt got a source button or full functionally on the device itself?

@simont7045

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidsonLoops what ?

You can put the pad between PCB backside, and against the mobo to act as a heatsink. You can also put a thermal pad on only the controller, that way only the nand flash runs "warm" (meaning between 15-45° C), while the controller stays cool. Doing both allows you to cool the components that prefer cooling, while allowing the nand to stay "warm" - nand flash will actually degrade if too cold.

@ImDembe

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, so in theory using a worse thermal pad is the way to go on the flash and a high quality one on the controller for best "durability"

@davebing11

Жыл бұрын

@@ImDembe BS it is NEVER a good idea to run memory hotter as long as you are above -30C. space operations is a totally different story. This is if you are using a real heat sink that moves heat and not a block of metal that is just a heat 'capacitor'

@ImDembe

Жыл бұрын

@@davebing11 -30c? Nandflash should not be to hot or cold, the controller is always better to have as cool as possible. The data on that was before, im not sure anything els have come out. Even if you have a good headsink with active cooling it will still store heat. so the controller will heat up the rest of the components either way. Most people don't need shit anyway, few people do benchmark level stress on a regular basis nor write heavy data daily, for that little group of people they might need to care.

@Schanyee2

Жыл бұрын

nand flash will perform worse when its colder (not very noticable though) but it will extend its lifespan

@HSGG_

10 ай бұрын

It will never reach the 'too cold' state when you are on earth dude, stop BS LOL

Hello, would the 0.5 and 1mm pad sizes be eough to reach the heatsink plate for a normal desktop mb with nvme slot with a heatsink?

Thank you for posting this video 🎥🍿🍺🇺🇸. You have a new subscriber 🎉. Keep up the great 👍 work 🎉.

@ElectronicsComputers

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

Thanks! I was getting crazy with the choose of the right thermal pad's thickness for the nvme upgrading of my Dell XPS 9370. Are three 0.5 mm pads a bad solution to obtain one of 1.5 mm thick?

@ElectronicsComputers

3 жыл бұрын

Don't do that, those 0.5 mm pads stacked together is not gonna perform even close as good as a one 1.5 mm pad.

@hikosan7563

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers so the more thick it is, the better.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@hikosan7563 No! There's 0.5mm difference between two surfaces and that's how you can level it.

Спасибо за видео, очень полезная информация!

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Amazing work sir ... just installed Samsung Pro 980 2TB in my PS5 using your technique.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Good job!

I don't know why I end up in this video but I love the fact that this is straight to the point and full of useful informations.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment!

What actually makes this particularly egregious is that the nand modules actually like being hot while the controller performs best at low temps, so without varying the pad sizes the cooling is super inefficient.

@syarifairlangga4608

Жыл бұрын

I think being used already make the Nand hot. Except first boot

Would you recommend this installation for an Asus Vivobook 15 k513ea?

thank you, been fighting the heat problem for a few weeks on a new unraid build.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could help

Hi. Do you need two heatsinks for M.2 NVME (one for the bottom and one for the top? What's the thickness in mm for both heatsinks?)? And should we remove the sticker for better contact with the thermal pad? What's the thickness in mm is the big heatsink you used in this video? Thank you. God bless, Revelation 21:4

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

The pad for the controller chip is 1mm thick and the pad for the memory chips is 0.5mm thick. There's no need to remove the sticker from the SSD because it will void the warranty and there won't be any dramatic difference in the temperature.

@SevenDeMagnus

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers You're welcome (on me subbing). If it's ok to ask for advise and recommendations, I need a new multimeter. Among my multimeter choices, BSIDE S11 or the S20 which is best for these repair iPhone 5, Wacom Intuos 4 and retro video game consoles specifically the Dreamcast, most don't have power. BSIDE is the brand name. When I posted the specs and links here, the KZread bot or automatic censoring system blocked it. It can be checked at that popular chinese retail website (my apologies.) They have the S10 model which uses AAA. You're recommendations are welcome. Thank you. Stay safe. God bless, Rev. 21:4

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@SevenDeMagnus To me, those multimeters look like some toys. For 25 bucks you can buy more serious tool from the same manufacturer: alii.pub/5yswee Or if you wont something more reliable and serious but not expensive then I'd recommend buying one of these: ali.pub/5yswl0 alli.pub/5yswlz

@SevenDeMagnus

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers Thanks. I'll save up for those. By the way my current multitester's temperature probe won't work anymore. I'm avoiding buying (it take awhile too, to arrive) to lessen the thrash when I throw the broken one. How do you usually repaire a temperature probe (mine is just that braided wire with a rounded ball at the end, not the rod one).

Can you do this to WD SN750 SSDs? I wonder if the sizes of thermal pads required would be different

I'm sorry for a few newbie questions. Can I only use the the heatsink without the thermal pad? Or the heatsink and thermal pad have to use together to reduce heat? I need to upgrade my laptop M.2 2280 NVMe SSD to 1TB from 256BG. It looks like the M.2 2280 NVMe SSD on my laptop doesn't have the heatsink or thermal pad on top of it. My Dell laptop manual said that it doesn't come with the SSD thermal bracket. Is the thermal bracket and heatsink are the same? Thanks so much

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

You can't use a heat sink without a thermal pad because the last one conducts heat from the surface of your SSD to the heat sink. What's the model of your laptop?

@dannydoan3695

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers My laptop model is Inspiron 7506 2-in-1 Silver. Thanks so much for your help

Didn't know about the gap :-/ Thanks man ! Just ordered my pads.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Just got my hands on a Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1TB) - manufactured 2023-02-22. The NAND memory chips seem to have a lower profile than the ones in your video now, or at least the controller chip + heatspreader and sticker is slightly higher than the memory chips with the ruler test. I understand that the controller chip is the most critical component to cool, and the memory chips are lower by ~0.2mm using a cheap, rudimentary feeler gauge. So there was nothing I felt could be improved with different thermal pads in my situation. Perhaps Samsung have solved this design flaw?

Hi man! First of all, thanks for the video all answers you gave in comments)) Also I'm curious, is it acceptable to place two 0.5mm pads on each other, to create 1mm layer?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

It will work but it will reduce thermal conductivity.

Very useful advice! Thanks for your labor 👍🏻

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

With this method are you accounting for the pre-installed copper plate/pad on the bottom of the 970 pro? Did you remove it? It seems that this pad is approximately .5mm thick on the bottom NAND side, which is why you applied .5mm to the top side, and 1mm to the top controller side; making the both sides equal 1mm. I don't see people being specific about this, so your input would be greatly appreciated.

@ElectronicsComputers

6 ай бұрын

It has nothing to do with a preinstalled copper plate. The surface of that SSD is uneven, and you need either a super compressible thermal pad (which is very bad in heat conduction), or you need to use several thermal pads of different thicknesses to level that surface. Samsung also made an SSD with heatsink, and they basically did what I showed in the video. They even went further and made different pads for small chips. You can see it here: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg

Спасибо! Раньше не обращал на такие, казалось бы, мелочи внимания.

Hi where did you get the heatsink form your Dell laptop?

I dont have any heatsink on my 970 evo in my desktop pc. Was noticing it started to throttle somtimes, but the contoller temp was 75℃, and the drive temp 57℃. Do you still think the temperature might be the problem? I've already ordered a heatsink and thermal pads just in case, but I thought 75℃ was well withing range of these ssd's.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Anything higher than 60℃ is not good for all electronic components. Your SSD will run perfectly well for some time under those conditions, but will it shorten its life and make it unreliable for storing valuable data, yes for sure.

Thanks for the video! I have just ordered the WD Black SN850, could this work also with that modell? I wasn't sure if the heatsinc would still fit into my thin Aero 15 laptop, so I didnt' order one. probably bad idea, right?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

There's no heatsink for that model, so no sense to use thermal pads. WD Black SN85 is a Gen4 SSD when your laptop has only Gen3 speeds support, so your SSD won't overheat.

so, for 990 2tb is it the same pad thickness as in this vid for 980?

thanks for the video. very professional and informative :3

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

Thank you for your video just a quick question, shouldn't the labels be removed on the Samsung SSD to be directly in contact with the thermal pad?

@ElectronicsComputers

3 жыл бұрын

Don't remove that label. First of all it won't make a big difference. And secondly, it will void your warranty.

@hellexs68

3 жыл бұрын

many thanks for your reply tomorrow i get my heatsink and install it this weekend. Thank you.

@opikbadig2711

2 жыл бұрын

hello, if I don't remove the label, will the thermalpad become sticky and damage the label after a while?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@opikbadig2711 It won't damage the label. It's not that sticky to damage anything it's just like a silicone pad.

Thank you for the solution, bro!

@ElectronicsComputers

3 жыл бұрын

Any time

Excellent video! Really professional and valuable information! I will definitely subscribe!

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome

@gutnick

Жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers I put the blue insulation on top of my SSD, under the aluminum holder. The HWInfo suggests the temperature is remaining low. Thank you! I'm going up change the Trackpad. Does it make sense to put another layer of the blue insulation on top of the aluminum SSD holder? Thank you

@KOT-ANGRY

9 ай бұрын

Me subscribed too! Will look for cheap pads (grizzly costs unbelievable price) 😢

I just got the 970 EVO 2tb installed in my Alienware m15 R4 in the last week and noticed immediately that I was having extreme heat problems. It was even affecting my cpu. I've had to undervolt the cpu by 100.6 to get the temps under control but the 970's Drive Temperature 3 is still running at 76 minimum. It's freaking me out. Thank you SO MUCH for this information. I was worried I was gonna burn out the whole laptop if I couldn't figure it out.

@ElectronicsComputers

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, 970 gets really hot. try to use two pads with different thickness. In my laptop I use two 2TB 980EVO and it's a big difference in terms of temperature.

I have an HP laptop with a PM991 mzvlq256hajd which instantly goes to 90+ degrees and throttles. A fast 50 MB test gives 2000/1000 max, but anything else more throttles to only about 500/100. It is still under warranty, but so far HP support says it is not a big problem. Any way to prove sorting is wrong? Thanks.

Thank you for your informative Video, I have 970 evo plus 2TB and become overheated up to 63C on disk mark test. My motherboard is Gigabyte Z790 elite ax D4 and i am currently installing this M.2 on the second slot. Do you recommend to replace the current thermal pad with thicker pad that could does better like Thermalright ODYSSEYⅡ2mm 14.8w/mk or stick to your method and size (0.5mm & 1.00 mm). your advised is highly appreciated.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that you can put 2mm pad under that heatsink. The higher thermal conductivity the harder the pad. So it may not be properly compressed. The optimal solution is 1mm and 0.5mm pad for those SSDs. But don't use Grizzly pads there's way better solutions nowadays. We switched to GELID Solutions gp-ultimate 15W/MK: alii.pub/6oz44c

Great video :) I just want to ask you a quick question. In your video you used Grizzly minus 8 thermal pad stickers. They have a thermal conductivity which is 8 m w/k. Also there is Arctic thermal pad stickers and they have a thermal conductivity which is 6 m w/k. I have an Alienware 17 r5 laptop and I want to put thermal pad stickers and a heatsink on a Samsung 980 pro. 8 m w/k will transfer heat faster to the heatsink than 6 m w/k but I was told that you need an ideal environment which has excellent airflow to take advantage of the faster heat transfer and the heatsink will get rid of the heat fast because of the excellent airflow. My environment is not ideal because of the weak airflow to the nvme ssd area so the heatsink will get rid of the heat slower for me so there is no need for the heat to quickly reach the heatsink so it's ok if I use the arctic thermal pad sticker. Is what I said correct? I am worried that if I use the Grizzly thermal pad sticker then the heat will quickly escape from the nvme ssd but I may end up with a hotter heatsink because the heat will slowly leave the heatsink due to the weak airflow. Which thermal pad sticker shall I get?

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Both will work perfectly but I'd still go with 8m w/k. it's an optimal thermal transfer conductivity for a regular passive heat sink. If you'd have a liquid or air cooled heat sing then I'd go with even higher thermal conductivity.

Hi! Thanks a lot for the video - this is really helpful. Do I understand it correctly that if Thermal pad is initially 1mm(on my motherboard MSI X670E Carbon) then I can simply put SSD without accounting for height difference?

@ElectronicsComputers

8 ай бұрын

In most cases thick thermal pads cover uneven surfaces better but it also depends on the heatsink and how the SSD is mounted. Check out how Samsung installs their SSDs in their heatsink: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg They went even further than I did and made separate pads for small chips as well. I'd leave 1mm pad for the NAND chips and added 1.5mm pad for the controller chip. But first test the temperature of your SSD using some software, that shows two temperature sensors not one and then decide what to do.

Thank you for sharing this. I've been doing this on some of my SSDs after noticing that the controller is almost always a different thickness from the NAND and doesn't make contact with the heatsink.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

So can I buy 1 .05 kit and double stack the thermal pad on the controller side?

Hey bro , i just found your video and it was extremely helpful thank u❤.. Quick question: what if i used the same thermal pads thickness that u used, but instead i cut it in the shape of the controller , dram size would it be better ? Or just using your way and saving my time?

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it will male any difference but the thermal pad should always overlap the component it cooling.

This is good information about cooling. Thanks.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Hi can you advice me on this, I have just installed a sata ssd in my laptop. This ssd lies on bottom left if I turn laptop upside down. So when I am using the laptop, the right palmrest gets uncomfortably hot when ssd is reading/writing although temps. are quite normal during use, around 45-46C. The issue is palmrest is made of aluminium so it feels hotter than it really is. Can I use thermal pad somehow to release the heat on the bottom instead of top ?

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

What's the model of your laptop?

wow...such a talented fellow ...you jave earned my sub bro...keep it up

@ElectronicsComputers

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

Does this also apply to WD Black SN850 Gen 4?

Really useful fact man, thanks so much

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help 😊

Wow! That tip was well worth kudos ans a subscription. Thanks.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help 😊

Bought a 250GB 970Evo in 2018 that just burnt out in 2022.. after hundreds of hours of video editing/adobe aftereffects rendering, etc. It was worth the performance though. Next time, I will add the thermal pads/heat sink. Thanks for the video.

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

Hi, I’m intend to get the TR-M.2 2280 heatsink. Do you think i still have to buy the 0.5 mm pad just for the NAND chip ?

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

You can use 1-1.5mm pad for the whole SSD with that heatsink. So no need to use two different pads.

Thanks. I'm wondering if instead of buying 2 sizes, just use double .5mm to create a thinker pad as needed?

@ElectronicsComputers

5 ай бұрын

Yes, you can do that. Xbox uses such technique in their power supply but the thermal conductivity will be slightly lower, though.

Really Helpful, thank you

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Unfortunately the Samsung Galaxy Book Flex laptop I bought was too small for a good heatsink. I tried using a couple of copper heatsinks that you just attach to the thermal pads, but that tragically resulted in the heatsink absorbing all the heat and not dissipating it fast enough to keep up with my 970 Evo Plus. I need a really good heatsink with an active fan to keep up with my SSD, or I at least need to upgrade to a 980 Pro even for my PCIe 3.0 laptop because it just runs cooler. Maybe I'll be able to fit the 980 pro w/ heatsink into my laptop?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

You need at least 3 mm clearance to install a heatsink and a thermal pad. Your best option might be just upgrading to 980PRO.

Thank you for this great video.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

wonder if theres a chip height difference on kioxia g2 and g2 plus please tell me if you know

thanks for the useful comparions!

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Fantastic video! I have ordered an sn850 from WD for my PS5, would I be best cutting the thermal pad for that also? Thanks in advance

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like that SSD has the same design as Samsung NVMe SSDs, so it may also work for that drive too.

@cocoplops4982

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers thank you so much for the reply ❤️ nice to see a KZreadr with lots of subs interacting with his community. I wish you all the best

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@cocoplops4982 I'm happy to help!

Curious, I now have a 980 Pro 2TB and a 970 EVO Plus 2TB on my Asus B550-E Strix. Are the thickness for the thermal pads the same for my motherboard?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the same thermal pad thickness for both models, because they have the same size components.

Is it really necessary to cool the NAND-Flash? I recently bought a 970 EVO Plus 500GB and the only thing that is getting hot (over 70°C) is the controller, the DRAM and the two flash chips don't seem to output much heat. I've also heard that NAND-Flash likes it warm.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Just keep it under 60C, heat is not good for all electronic components. You'll never notice that extra boost if your NAND chips will be hot. Your SSD consists of a hole bunch of different components and they might not like the same temperature. And believe me all manufacturers would love to cheap out on the heat sink or thermal pad if it was possible.

Hello, I have a WD Blue SN570 NVME SSD that I am placing into a Sabrent NVME Enclosure. The enclosure came with its own thermal pad applied to the bottom of the top cover/heat sink but, it doesn’t actually make proper contact with my SSD.. I have been thinking of replacing it but I have 2 problems: Unlike your Samsung NVME the WD Blue seems to only have much fewer of those black controllers protruding from it ( 1 larger, 1 smaller,and 1 very small) and so I don’t actually know how to apply it. I suspect I will need more than 1mm of thermal pad and it is hard to find adhesive ones in this range. How important is it that it adheres to the top cover/heatsink?

@ElectronicsComputers

Жыл бұрын

You can use 1mm pad if your heat sink supports that thickness. The link in the description.

I've recently ordered the Samsung 980 pro 1TB, but my laptop already comes with a small thermal pad on the heatsink. Should I remove the pre installed ones? Or add new ones like in the video?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Of course remove and that's what I did in the video.

Smart way, using them on gen3 also big help. Weird thing is my m.2 slot behind the motherboard which means there is like 3 mm space inbetween case wall and nvme drive. Squeezed to pretty tight spot and i can^t put a heatsink on it anways. Suprisingly its not overheating, i was thinking that thigh spot will keep it more hot, i don't do any render tho but games which is doing realtime render actually but i never see that nvme went over 55 degree yet. Its gen4 works good n cooler on gen3 so i decided to go w/o heatsink or i will put a hole to the case.

Hello, should I put thermal pads above the ssd (like your video) and below it if I dont have a heatsink for my ssd in my laptop? Its a msi ge76 if that helps.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

This method is not gonna work for that laptop.

@blowmeaway324

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers what should I do? Put nothing on the 980 pro ssd? (I have the same ssd as yours but its only for gaming) I use it for my 2nd drive though. Its not going to be my main one.

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

@@blowmeaway324 This solution may work for your laptop: amzn.to/3EO5PsZ Use the Style: T-70*20*2.

Does the 990 pro keep the same thickness offset for the thermal pads? I saw they also ship out a model that already has a heatsink installed. Do you think that one is subpar to doing it by your method? I was wondering if the extra price is justified or not…

@ElectronicsComputers

4 ай бұрын

All those models are basically the same and they all have the same problem. In the SSD with a heatsink, Samsung pretty much fixed it the same way I showed in the video. But they went a step further and used different pads, even for the small chips: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg

@Ecktor

4 ай бұрын

@@ElectronicsComputers Thanks! 👍

Thanks for the guide. Going through the this now.

@ElectronicsComputers

9 ай бұрын

Glad I could help

Do you know where to get a good heatsink for a laptop? I have an old Dell Inspiron 7567 laptop without a SSD heatsink. I use it for video/photo/3D model editing and some gaming stuff. I also thought to buy 1TB 970 Evo Plus. Or should I get other brand/type SSD instead? What would you recommend?

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

The links in the description below the video.

@Elberoth

2 жыл бұрын

Get the ADATA SX8200 PRO - they run 10-15'C cooler than those Samsungs out of the box.

just a question... why didn't you peel off the foil manufacturer sticker off? Supposedly they act as a sort of heat spreader so the controller which is hot and you want to cool sheds more heat to the nand which you'd want cooler... granted in this application it's enclosed in a laptop so it probably wouldn't matter that much, but it makes me wonder if you'd get slightly better results with it removed

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.

Thank you for the tutorial!

@ElectronicsComputers

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Just got my idle temperature from 41 degrees down to 30 degrees idle. Id call that a win! Thank you so much

@ElectronicsComputers

2 ай бұрын

Great job! I'm happy to help.

thank you for useful video, i try this and bought cooler master thermal pads for my precision 5570, conductivity is 12 w/mc . i bought samsung 990 pro 1TB and gigabyte 2500E 1TB. i checked thermal sensors, IC controller temperature for samsung in above 76 C during "software crystal disk mark" check. so is it high or normal? my NVME read speed is 5500 not 7450 for 990 pro. i guess controller reduce speed for decreasing temperature. i check heat sink but i cannot check visually for heat sink contact to the thermal pad. do you have any solutions for checking thermal pad contact to heat sink? how? other question, i install 990 pro on SSD2 slot if i relocate samsung from SSD2 to SSD1 slot, it may be better to reduce 990 pro temp.?

@ElectronicsComputers

4 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter in which slot you put your SSD, both have the same PCIe Gen4 speeds and other specs. If you applied a 0.75-1mm pad on the controller and a 0.5mm pad on the NAND chips, then all your components are making proper contact with the heatsink. 76°C under heavy load I'd consider a borderline high temperature, but in real life, even when gaming, you won't reach those temperatures on a constant basis. Also, in my case, I deliberately used a Gen 4 SSD on a Gen 3 capable laptop to lower temps; in your case, to do the same trick, you'd need to use Gen 5 SSDs. Overall, just monitor the temperature for a couple of days doing your regular tasks, and if the temperature stays in the range of up to 59°C, I wouldn't worry about SSD overheating and thermal throttling.