omg the ending line hahaha

@CryptoCriticPod

9 ай бұрын

One of my favorite Cas endings

@picahudsoniaunflocked5426

9 ай бұрын

Cas mic drop lol

The problems aren't that SBF is being treated badly by the jail and the criminal justice system. The problem is that he's now being treated how everyone else is treated in this system... which is horribly

Agree. I hate it when I hear people crying for extra-judicial ‘justice’ of various kinds within the prison system. They’re there to serve their time and hopefully be rehabilitated, not to be beaten, rped, starved and medically compromised.

Hey, you guys forget, that E Holmes also put countless patients' lives at risk with false readings, resulting in unnecessary procedures. Also the loss of Singaporean tax payer's money and lost opportunity of a local Singaporean who could have gotten her internship position in Singapore when she interned here.

@TheCandystripedlegs

9 ай бұрын

The sad thing is though she wasn't convicted of defrauding patients, just her investors.

I feel like even people who support the concept of criminal justice reform tend to roll their views back when confronted with specific cases. It's a difficult position to take since you're technically siding with terrible people. The argument that we should treat criminals better will fall flat for most people. But dehumanizing huge numbers of people is just terrible for our society. Especially since many people have the perspective that poor/black/criminal are nearly interchangeable terms.

@theroyalcrane

9 ай бұрын

You acknowledged the reason it's difficult to hold a firm stance on CJR in the last paragraph.

I spent eight weeks in a small corrupt California county jail a few decades ago. they teased and beat me until I passed out, ran me through a local hospital for checkup, then I was in a cell for 4 days before I was allowed to see any quasi medical professional for follow-up. I was also denied any needed medication but otherwise treated decently, though I am a straight white sis male so.... it's hard to ask local DAs to prosecute their friends and colleagues in-law enforcement and prison administration. I believe we desperately need a 21st century federal prisoners bill of rights. We need stop electing incompetent meme lords to congress, so that these kind of reformes are achievable. seems like our goal as society should be to reduce population by at least .66... then treat the remaining .33 .500 times better. cash bail is a holdover from the days of where no one had an ID and there was no GPS no interpole or much inter colony cooperation. it's an outrage that these wealthy people can use allegedly stolen funds for bail and to put on a fancy expensive defense etc. it seems a form of asset freezature needs to be enforced when they defendant is allegedly using stolen funds to defend against the victims whom they robbed.

Agreed. Everyone deserves human rights. On the other hand, I bet there's so many people in that prison, who should be taken care of first.

@rollinkendal8130

9 ай бұрын

every person could be considered "special needs". i need orchid salad every day or i'll cry.

@smc4229

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. It's not a question of if his rights should be honored, but a question of priorities. There are a lot of people at Rikers getting abused and tortured in solitary, yet that doesn't get the attention that SBF gets for not getting vegan meals

Great points you are bringing up! And what you said was right, that fixing the broken judicial system in the US is much more important than the temporary schadenfreude we get from seeing SBF getting a taste of it. Thanks for using your platform to spread that message.

Thank you for your honesty and compassion. If we all empathized unconditionally first, then took a step back to think critically about circumstances, we would all be better people. You guys are helping people do both and hopefully through introspection we can all grow, again I thank you for everything!

"A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals." It is especially hard to want to treat people who have harmed others, like criminals, with any degree of fairness or humanity. But as fellow humans, that's what is right and that's why we should. (Annoying, though... isn't it? 🙃)

@jdmac157

9 ай бұрын

Not only that. People have a presumption of innocence, not matter how obviously guilty they are. This isn't just how we treat criminals, it is how we treat suspected criminals. (Edit: didn't remember it but Ben does mention this too.)

I think this was a wonderful episode to make, and I totally agree. Thanks guys!

Here's to not being in prison 🍻

No one commented on Cas's jars of Opium and Heroin? lol! Back on topic... what about the Jan 6 prisoners? Guantanamo Bay. 😕 On July 23, 1846, Henry David Thoreau was arrested and jailed for not paying his taxes in Concord, Massachusetts. He refused to pay money that would support the war against Mexico and hated slavery. The incident prompted Thoreau to write his famous essay, "Civil Disobedience," which was published in 1849 as "Resistance to Civil Government." The play "The Night Thoreau Spent in Jail," written by Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee, was first published in New York in 1971 during the Vietnam War. The play was a clear protest against the war and used a related incident from America's history to comment on the current war. According to legend, while Thoreau was in the Concord jail, his friend Ralph Waldo Emerson came to visit him and asked him why he was not there. Thoreau's response is "Why are you not here?"

There was a shortage of Vyvanse in the last few weeks, which caused probably caused a shortage in Adderall, so everybody has had trouble getting those.

@clumsyzombie3144

9 ай бұрын

The Adderall shortage has been happening for several years now, which led to a shortage in Ritalin as patients moved to similar medications in response, the shortage is all trickling down to related medications now like Vyvanse.

these jails/prisons order food by the boatload. bread, rice, veggies, im sure they are there. sam must be asking for special things. just because 1 nerd wants 'special' vegan meals, doesn't mean the place should send a runner to get them for him. it is jail/prison, not a vacation. responding to detainees demands is not inside the mandate. sorry sam, shouldn't have let customers send wires to alameda & also allow alameda have 0 liquidation in your system. i hope he gets max sentence for the broad damage caused, but i doubt he will.

@salvetas2544

9 ай бұрын

Finally someone of common sense, I have the impression that all the people on the comments section think that Sam is deprived of his fundamental human rights... because he did not have access to vegan food lol? because he did not have access to a drug that was not essential to his survival ? WTH man.. Prison is not supposed to be a nice place.

In the Elisabeth Holmes, case was potentially worst, it was medicine

@cauldronofstardust4113

8 ай бұрын

I was listening to this in the park with my mom, & she agreed with what you’re saying. Holmes was lying when it came to people’s bloodwork, putting lives at risk with inaccurate results. That’s worse than SBF’s crimes

Its good that you guys put this episode out. SBF in my opinion deserves to spend the next 30-40 years in prison (as do many of his crypto compatriots) however that does not mean we have to be inhumane about it. Making sure the basics of someone getting their medicine and having a diet that fits their morals and or religious beliefs is the bare minimum. I am not sure a Scandinavian style prison system is the best (I live in a different part of Europe and these structures are not working as well as people would like) however the American system is predicated on at best borderline human rights violations. In the end I hope SBF is convicted and spends decades in prison, but I want it to be humane. I dont believe someone like him can be rehabilitated; but as you said he has no chance of any kind of rehabilitation if he is denied the basics.

Imagine being sped up on adderall with nothing but a wall to plan your next philanthropy project.

"hurt thousands, probably ruined dozens if not hundreds of peoples lives" i think its way more than that ;)

90% of people will hurt their case if they try to help... this is why you get a lawyer even if you can't afford one.

6:19 Yes, over time it is millions of people, but currently there are about 1.2 million incarcerated people.

As much as it pains me to say, I have to agree with your position. I couldn’t dredge up a scrap of empathy for SBF if I had a gun to my head, but if assuring that he gets his meds and stupid vegan meals ensures that other detainees receive the same then I would have to support it. Our justice system is broken.

I was in prison for 3 years. Just because your on a medication doesn’t mean you’ll get it. They do not give narcotics of any kind to anyone. The vegan diet though they should have no issues accommodating

I agree with the medication part, but not with the diet, or computer access. He was granted those things until he broke bail conditions.

Agree with everything you guys said, but also it's funny when bad things happen to bad people

I'm anti-carceral in general & into restorative justice so I can disdain his illegal acts while supporting prisoner rights.

Redicivism (is that the way it's written - English is not my first language) should be foremost here. It's much lower in countries where prisoners are treated as humans. Like, here in Finland, there are convicted murderers, who are serving their sentence and going to work or school during that. They live in prisons, but in some cases you wouldn't even know they are prisons, because they look exactly like apartment buildings.

@AkiVainio

9 ай бұрын

Also, there are prisons for people, who parent through their sentence. They are designed in such a way that the kids can live normal lives.

It may be a fact that he is unable to assist his attorneys but it's not because of the Adderall it's because he doesn't have a case. He IS getting Adderall it's just not time released. I think they should adjust the timing of his dosage but only so he can't use it as an excuse.

Ill save my compassion for his victims. As a black man i could give af

I especially dislike the people who enjoy knowledge of rape in prison.

Give him his vegan meals. Rice and broccoli 3 times a day for Sam. Let’s get it done. Maybe even a scoop of beans on the dinner tray. I don’t believe are prison systems shouldn’t be the poop peepee rape dungeons that the American system is so proud of.

He’s getting high on that adderall why should he be taking it in jail. He should cheek it and give it to bubba for protection.

10:37 - 10:50 Right on~! Nothing else does make sense. And you are also correct in the ease with which vegetables could be served. Just give him extra helpings of the vegetable of the day. Big 'effing deal. And religious rights are ridiculous anyway as 'a category'. Religions are just another facet of people's beliefs, same as veganism. Whatever happened to separation of church and state~? Not to mention: religious organizations and churches (wrongfully, as they are very political) DO NOT PAY TAXES, vegan organizations do~!!

Of course everyone should get human rights, medical attention and access to their lawyer. Get him his medicines. Does he have access to his lawyer. Yes he does. Does he need a computer for his defence? Possibly but I would argue the risk of letting him on the web. Plus laptops in prisons are... strongly discouraged. Risks. Vegan meals? Nice to have but I bet the prison higher priorities for the money. He may have to eat vegetables. "We should strive to provide an excellent prison system, with entirely separate remand facilities, A1 medical care and a choice of menus. So, I'm raising taxes" Good luck with that. Prison is and always has been about the budget. If you want perfect it costs.

@alexhubble

9 ай бұрын

​@dans2971 No, I can't say I have. That must have been hard to contain yourself. I am f*ing sure, once I established they meant it, I would just laugh flat in their face. That has to be a tie with collective farming for stupidest idea from the Mind of Man. Might even beat it.

16:12 I think the customers of Walgreens who paid for fraudulent lab tests, some in tears over missed and wrong and/or diagnoses will disagree with you. Many of them had to pay for a second lab test for comparison sake as well. Just mentioning.

Should you be taking SBF’s claims at face value? The vegan issue is different from the meds issue. They should both be verified independently. You are correct that It is just as important that a poor person receive proper medication and nutrition as SBF. SBF can make a claim that it is a religious thing. One part of the root cause is the retribution theory of Justice. Another is the privatization of penal systems across the USA.

It's not acceptable but (again) the light only shines when the rich get the same treatment as everyone else.

I'm here for the MARXIST AGENDA I read you were promoting on Twitter.

WAIT.... If they fuck him over in jail could that HELP SAMS CASE???

Completely agree that basic medicine and dietary needs/requests should be met, including vegan. The system absolutely needs serious reform. For every last person that ends up in the system. But while these unacceptable conditions persist, I will enjoy that SBF is one of the victims of these unacceptable conditions. I am only human after all.

You don't need treat someone like a piece of shit, to show that someone else is a piece of shit

This is nothing new; has been going on for decades, but all of a sudden who this happened to has made this an issue. The poors just learn to live with it and move on. You guys need to watch Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence. Prison is supposed is just thaf Prison.

The general issues… so true

Algorithm gang checking in

emsam sound like a happy patch

SBF should be bunked up with Bubba for a minimum of 30 years!

You say, "we have the money", but we do not. USA is $34 Trillion in debt.

Did he do a rug pull on bond??

He is getting vegan and kosher meals

Comment for deserved algorithm boost

F SBF and his whole Fing family.

Jesus Christ. He's lucky to be getting his meds at all. I wish i had frickin Adderall if I was in jail lol.

In theory I like criminal justice reform but I don’t think SBF should be the cause of change and am fine with him getting the “you can’t have your preferred things and psychiatric fun drugs” treatment like every one else in prison

Sam deserves human rights. Disagree with ending cash bail...

So, if somehow I get sued for anti MLM content and end up in jail somehow I can't prepare a defense with a computer???

Im 100% sure he is the best treated one locked up, if he is even in there

@TT-jg8ju

9 ай бұрын

For the entire usa

He should get his medication, but vegan, come on, he must eat what they give everyone else. Simple...

@Slater2113

9 ай бұрын

The argument is that it should be an option for everyone else. It shouldn’t be special in the first place. It’s honestly probably cheaper. Give the guy his potato, beans, and a banana. I feel like everyone hears vegan and assumes he would be given a 5 star dish. Simple.

@ProtomanButCallMeBlues

9 ай бұрын

​@@Slater2113 He's getting bread and water. Technically vegan

I’d be more impressed by your concerns if they had ever surfaced in the case of a poor black or brown defendant. But in those cases you don’t seem to care. I have to wonder whether Sam’s legal PR budget plays a part. 😡

I also want my meth delivered when I'm in prison. Look the US does not have a good track record for taking care of prisoners. SBF's complaints getting elevated is more likely to move the needle in the other direction.

@theroyalcrane

9 ай бұрын

I would hope so but usually what happens is he gets better treatment and everyone else gets the status quo. When he left Bahamas the prison conditions didn't improve for everyone he left behind.

@rogerhurtubise2150

9 ай бұрын

Was going to say the same thing, does he have add, or adhd. Or is this like the Caroline Ellison tweet?

@andrewfriedrichs9340

9 ай бұрын

Also I don't like the position that if you don't have sympathy for SBF you are against human rights. Yes he deserves human rights, but it's probably ok he doesn't get meth. PS my wife took Adderall as a kid, I am aware of the legitimate & illegitimate use of it.

TOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO TEARS HERE!

Too bad, so sad - Where were you on these issues before SBF screwed up yet again and lost his parole? There are decent and innocent people in prison that should be treated better, SBF isn't one of them.

@MyShakeweight

9 ай бұрын

Everyone deserves rights, why be inconsistent on it?

Emsam is a stimulant. You won't find any place in the world where they serve stimulants in jail.. Think recreational drug.

He is buying the best junk food daily and extras. $50 a day min

Bwahahaha 🤦‍♂️

They’re just excuses. Prisoners’ don’t deserve vegan food

Lol gettin stims nd cucumbers is not human rights U let ur soyboy side out in this 1 fur sure

SBF Apologists, sad to see this channel try it for content

He who was without mercy, now BEGS for it? That's fucking rich 🤣

@turdeau6224

9 ай бұрын

commies...