Thank you saying Sako correctly. My Finnish relatives approve of your pronunciation. To everyone saying it wrong, Seiko is a Japanese watch maker. Thank you for the review!

Best quote: "A moose is not made out of paper". Love it!

Very nice! I own three Sakos myself. The 85 Grizzly in .30-06, the 85 Hunter in .223 Rem, and the Quad Varmint in .22 lr, and I'm in love with all of them. Sako 85 is a no-brainer for me when it comes to bolt rifles. I want to buy european, and I don't want a manual cocking system, like on the Blaser R8, Merkel RX Helix or Sauer 404. So the reasons I go for Sako 85 are as follows: No plastic parts. The custom action length. The brilliant magazine, with extra release safety, and the ability to top-feed as well. Very smooth bolt slide. The ability to chamber/unchamber rounds with the safety on. The controlled cartridge feed. The list goes on... And yes, the rifles are a bit expensive, but they look amazing and the feeling of quality is well worth the price.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

That's fantastic Grazzhopper. Sako should make a catalog with you. I know what you mean and the 85 is one of the best. I had no issues and often reach for the Black Bear I have - simply a super rifle.

@njr8744

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Haha, thanks. Maybe they should. It has taken much of my hard earned savings over the last 6-7 years. ;) I use my Grizzly for deer hunting, and some days I actually regret not buying the Black Bear instead, or one of the other synthetic or stainless models. The Grizzly's beautiful stock needs a bit of love after a whole weekend in rain or snowfall. I'm sure your Sako will serve you well. How is the market for Sako and other european rifles over there in America? Do you see a lot of them? I live in Norway, and I believe the #1 selling rifle here is the Tikka T3. I also see lots of Blaser R93, Sauer 202, Browning X-bolt, and a bit of Sakos at the range. Shooters and hunters from say, age 50 or more, often have some good old, well-used Remingtons or Winchesters. Also, lots of people still use their Mausers, left behind by the germans after the war, that were re-chambered to .30-06 Sprg. Those guns last a lifetime or two, as you know. Anyway, I just recently discovered your channel. I really like your videos, they're good and informative. It looks like you really know your guns.

@pawcrawlowens8730

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I'm kindy sick, I just bought a 3006 off guns international, first time I dropped 2400 on a rifle, you made me feel better

It's very rare finding an american trying to pronounce non-american names correctly. You did it right - bravo. I've traveled around the states and Canada and most people I've met didn't even try to say it right. I'm not snob but it almost gives me the creeps when I hear americans say Porsche, coupe, Korth etc. My name is impossible but other than that I love your countries, big roads, hospitality and kindness.

Ever since I was a boy I was interested in firearms. And I quickly fell in love with Sako as I did my research. I now own two 85s a Varmint and a Brown Bear. I really wish you'd cover their Safari model especially the 90th Anniversary one. Also, please try to get your hands on the S20. Next year Sako will celebrate their 100th year can't wait to see what they'll come up with.

Don't sweat the nomenclature. It's a bit pedantic for people to be overly sensitive about it anyway. The military loves the nomenclature nazis.. I suppose it builds strong bones or character? I know someone that has owned, repaired them (as a gunsmith) his entire life and he pronounces it SAY-KO, both long vowels. I suppose in Finnish it could be different. As a viewer I love your videos, they have a unique niche that only you are filling. You have opened my eyes to guns I would have never considered. Thank you!

@worddunlap

5 жыл бұрын

@Art Anson Stop being pedantic with me. You are not my teacher or my mommy. Certainly you are not my Sargent, brother, or training instructor...

Beautiful piece of engineering. Thank you for sharing this video. Much appreciated .cheers.

I think the Sako rifle would be one of those “Holy Grail” rifles. They sure are nice! I doubt that I will ever have one but I sure like my 98 Mauser! Mike, you have a wonderful collection and we are all so fortunate to be able to watch your commentaries!

@cpmayo

Жыл бұрын

They are kind of a disease though. I got infected with an 85 in 375 a while back and got a second in 7mm this week as a brothers pair in the "Classic" series of 85s. They are almost too nice to even consider shooting though.

Another well enjoyed segment. Thank you

They certainly have some very pretty guns in that Bear Series of theirs. Also, it is a breath of fresh air to see so many iron sights on standard production rifles from a manufacturer. When it comes to nomenclature so long as people understand what is being discussed that is what is important. Unfortunately there are people who would rather argue about the perfect use of terms such as clip or magazine, and that can drive people away from gun ownership. Anyway, thank you and your team for another great video.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Trapdoor - you have the wisdom of the ages.

@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888

5 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you for the very kind words. It has just been my personal experience that it is easy to drive people away from a hobby or interest, and that it is difficult to attract people to one.

Hello from British Columbia Canada ! Love your videos . Great content 👍

I own a 85 Classic in 308 win and a 85 Blackbear in 9,3x62. The 308 has a Kahles Helia 2-10x50 on top and the 9,3x62 a Kahles K16i. Great reliable and ultra accurate rifles. I use the 308 for stalking and the 9,3x62 for driven hunts. I gues the 85 is more “Tikka” like than the older models, and theres not quite the same soul in the making. But it’s a deadly accurate tool. I’ve never had more accurate rifles than these two 85’s, and the double stack magazines and overall functionality is just superb. I Will never go back to either Sauer or Blaser. Greetings from Denmark

@tapanilofving4741

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! 9,3x62 is such a good caliber! Too bad i don't have a rifle anymore in that caliber. I even used it for roe deer with Lapua Naturalis bullet's and it wasn't an overkill :) Greetings from Finland!

@kristianbrn2959

5 жыл бұрын

The 9,3x62 is actually okay flat shooting If you don’t use to heavy bullets. I’m using Sako Powerhead 16,2 g Barnes TSX. You should get yourself a 9,3x62 again ;)

@kristianbrn2959

5 жыл бұрын

I hope to have the opportunity to experience hunting in Finland someday!

@tapanilofving4741

5 жыл бұрын

@@kristianbrn2959 Yeah i had too i think 14,3g and 16,2g Lapua Naturalis bullets. Those copper bullets are great for roe deer because they don't open up too much! I know i would want some custom Mauser in 9,3x62 but i'm left handed so it makes it slightly difficult ;)

@kristianbrn2959

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Some of the guys here in Denmark are buying old K98 Mausers from WW2. They rebuild them with new stocks and barrels. Mostly Lothar Walther or Schultz & Larsen.

Another nicely done review. Your efforts are always appreciated. I own the same model in .308 topped with a Kahles 3.5-10x multi-zero scope in Sako rings. The rifle also worked great with the sturdy Recknagel iron sights Sako supplied. Since I often get the opportunity for shots longer than my ability with iron sights, the scope helps in cleanly harvesting game with much better bullet placement. Those who put down the stock or say the barrel is too short miss the whole point of this being an all-weather hunting tool. The numerous game animals I’ve taken with a single shot from my Sako Black Bear certainly haven’t complained that the bullet’s velocity and energy were a bit less than they might have been out of a longer barrel. This rifle was not meant for the battlefield. It was crafted specifically for hunting and its size makes it a great tool for stalking in rough country where a longer rifle would be more difficult to manage. Mine is extremely accurate and a joy to handle in the field. I have experienced zero ejection issues and no spent brass has hit my scope. Yes, the Sako was more expensive than some other options on the market, but it’s features, usefulness and value to me in the field have never caused me to regret the purchase. It is always my first choice whenever there is the possibility of encountering bad weather on a hunt and has a permanent place in my collection. In the mountains and thick woods where we hunt it is simply a better tool than some others. While I’ve done it plenty, humping Grandpa’s old 1903 Springfield in the bush doesn’t improve my hunting experience. And stainless steel and composite materials are just easier to maintain than carbon steel and wood in snowy, rainy, damp conditions. If somebody wants a wood stocked rifle with a 24” barrel, Sako will be happy to sell them one. In my opinion, this rifle works great for its intended purpose. Thanks for all you do with the channel.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi David - such a fine and considered comment. I agree on all counts. The 85, and especially the Black Bear - wants to go hunting. One of the best handling rifles. Your experience in the field is the best validation of what I can only conclude from comparison and limited testing. Thank you for writing. I felt safe in telling viewers that I think the 85 is first class - now I'm even more certain. All the best to you.

I have one in 9.3x62 with a Khales Helia 3-10x50i, a pleasure to carry all day in difficult terrain and accurate as hell, and with a Pachmyr prefit the recoil is quite tame. I generally prefer a wood stock but I just like this thing. Thanks for the video!

85 a great rifle! And as a fan of 202, can't wait for the upcoming review :)

Just got my Sako 85 Carbine in 6.5 x 55 here in Australia. Fantastic rifle in a great caliber.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Lord : ) Perfection in a rifle - that 85 - and the cal. you chose still towers over most others. Good shooting and hunting!

I love my 85 Finnlight 6.5x55SE! Flawless. Accurate. Awesome rifle. Have a Laminated stainless in .300Win magnum on order now. I’ve told you about my results with it. Glad you found yourself one. You’ll love it.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I'm so impressed - and the Finnlight might be the best model of them all.

Great video as usual.

Excellent review USOG ✌️ Sako 85 Black Bear is definitely a beautiful hunting rifle I’m going to try and get in .308

I watched a manufacturer video of the Sako 85 and they highlighted the fact that their bolt was designed from one bar of steel. The bolt the handle are one piece. Is there any other firearms that use the same practice or should I say design? I would imagine the design and tolerance adds to it's accuracy.

@horsemany

2 жыл бұрын

Mauser 98, Pre 64 model 70 and Ruger 77 have one piece bolts. Others too

Love your videos. I’ve watched this one a couple times now. I recently purchased a 30-06 in the Black Synthetic model which is not that well known but essentially a Finnlight in a grippy black synthetic stock n barrel. You mentioned the ejection issue and when I took mine out to sight in with some various factory ammo. I noticed my rifle did not eject the Hornady Superformance 165gr GMX cases and the Hornady Custom ammo in 165 gr SP. in fact a couple of the Custom ammo brass hung up in the chamber. The GMX grouped +1.55” and the SP grouped 1.25” which is ok. However, the Federal Premium 165 gr Nosler in nickel brass and Federal Fusion 165 gr both ejected just fine with no issues at all. Fortunately both of these loads shot sub 0.9” so I’ll use the Fed Nosler for hunting this year and the Fusion for back up. I’ll continue to experiment with other brands and bullet weights after hunting season. I must say I just love this rifle and the 85 action.

Thanks for reviewing this outstanding rifle. I have a black bear 85 for almost a decade and i will never sell it. One(and only) negativ point was that the rubberized stock became sticky and I replaced it with a laminated wood stock . Mine is in .308 and shots incredible tight groups. I like to ad a couple points : 1. there is no plastik on this gun . 2. They come with open sights from the factory. The magazin has a build in saftey against loss, you need to push it upwards and push the release button to take it out. The magazin can be topped of with rounds when it is in place- just like a rifle with a fixed magazin. And it has a bolt open feature/ button that allows to open the bolt with the saftey in the on position to clear the chamber. The trigger is adjustable. In my mind the Sako 85 is in every regard a more sophisticated rifle with better build in quality than a Tikka.Admitably a Tikka will shot just as good, but the Sako is a superior rifle.

Very nice review, thank you again! I have a Sako 85 Grey Wolf in 338 Federal that I used to take 2 wild hogs a few years back. I love my Sako in 338 Federal and will never sell it. With the best factory ammo the best accuracy I could get was about 1 to 1.25 inches at 100 yards. With Handloads and Barnes TTSX 210 gr and IMR XBR 8208 powder I get well under 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. Fantastic rifles minus their unique scope mounting system but that's easily solved by buying an adapter to use a picatinny rail. And yes, thank you for pronouncing Sako the correct way! Leupold is another one of those brands everyone pronounces incorrectly. I know Lapua is not pronounces La-poo-ah, but I can't get myself to say it the correct way of lap-wah because it just doesn't sound as cool! :)

Recently purchased a 222rem Stainless laminated Sako. Its a joy to shoot and the built quality a person can look at and admire the whole day

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful action and the laminated stock goes well with stainless. Glad you have the small action - so fine.

I remember watching some older coyote hunting videos that showed Ed Wimberly of New Mexico hunting 'yotes with his trusty, Sako in (either) .223 or 22-250 and I thought it was a simple looking, but elegant woodstocked tack driver. He never seemed to miss!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Solar - they really are top flight rifles and I've not heard of a single one that was not accurate.

NICE FIND! Currently listing over an 85 Bavarian. Few factory rifles feel quite like that when you bring it to your shoulder.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Adam!

Great looking rifle my friend.

What i like about the sako 85 is that it comes in suitable action lengths for the smaller calibera like the 223 rem.

@Nick-wn1xw

5 жыл бұрын

6 action sizes to be exact. No 1 or at most 2 size fits all with them. The magazines are also built caliber specific.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hello TheMrkunekune and Jaeger - I have to get a .223 - must be one of the most gem like rifles out there. Maybe they will make a .300 Blackout - or already do - like Schultz & Larsen.

Great gun

Such a nice rifle!! It's a great gun, really made for hunting! Functions well in 308/30-06! But also in 8×57IS.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Max - I agree - and the 8X57 is under-appreciated; or maybe not - but I don't run into them often. Remington used to have a loading for the 8x57 that was wonderfully mild for older rifles. I used it for my under 200 yard work and it was ideal. Thanks for writing.

Excellent video about an excellent rifle! Sako goes an extra step the bolt is machined from a single piece including the handle, they offer six different receiver lengths and as far as I remember control feed. Overall very well.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I wasn't sure about the bolt being one piece. Some people said yes it is - others said no. I could not find any evidence of brazing or welding of the handle. Thanks for the confirmation.

Yes sir! Please do a review on Sauer 202.

“But you know a moose is not made out of paper…” So well said! 😎

I've seen a number of these Sako rifles over the years and they're always well built with slick actions. I liked the irons and the barrel band that were on this model. Speaking of questionable pronunciations, Kahles is another European name that Americans tend to inject with long vowels. Having said that, I've learned to hold my tongue when I'm in hunting stores and gun shops... Most Bubba-types didn't like Reading and English in grade school and they still don't. LOL! Great review, thanks!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha - I know what you mean. Sometimes I see an 18 letter word in another language on a gun box and more or less point and gesture the meaning I have in mind.

Thanks for the video, always like to hear what you think of certain rifles. I own a sako 85 carbon light in 308 so was nice to hear your thought on the rifle. I own a tikka also, however I do think the sako is a slicker rifle/action than the tikka, but that’s just a personal opinion. It was hard to see in the video, but the mounts/bases on the rifle looked like optic lock bases? Looking forward to the next video 👍🏻

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael - most people agree with you. The 85 probably is slicker - maybe mine has a bit of grit or something.

Again thanks for a great video. I hunt with three lads who have the Sako Finn Light,: a 75 in .243, a 75 in 30-06 and a 85 in 30-06. All are fabulous rifles, '06's eat any thing put down them grain and brand wise. The 75 .243 is the noisier of the three. The '06 having a 'booooom' (if you know what I mean) compared to the god awful ear splitting 'baadommm' from the 75 .243. Brilliant mountain guns, carry them all day.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hello a Point 5 film - I know what you mean : ) The .243 can be an ear cracker - I had a short barreled Mauser 66S in .243 and my goodness - what a noise. Anyway, you know how great these all are. Thanks for the good words.

Hi! Thank you again for an excellent review. I do however miss a more in-depth explanation of the bolt design. Especially how Sako has tried to combine the «best of two worlds» from both the Mauser/ controlled feed and Remington 700/ push feed designs. If I am not mistaken, they have attempted to incorporate controlled feed, but without the claw extractor spring, to maintain smooth bolt operation. I guess the ejector is a blade style, and not plunger?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Sondre - I agree and sorry about that. I'm going to re-visit the 85 due to the many people who commented on ejection issues - I'll also explore the bolt design more. Thanks for suggesting.

@sondrefagerliie6895

5 жыл бұрын

USOG Oh no, please don’t apologize. I hope you understand exactly how much we appreciate your videos. It was more meant as an encouragement than something to apologize for :-) So please keep doing what you do. There is no other channel which is even close to what you have going on.

@janosvarga6159

4 жыл бұрын

It is correct. I have a Sako 85 Bavarian 300 win mag. So far no ejection problem. It has a robust, spring loaded Sako-type extractor and as you've mentioned an ejector blade, just as the Mauser design. I had a CZ550 before, it was a real CF action rifle. The Sako rather in between. The extractor does grab the cartridge definitely before locking the bolt, but not so early, as the Mauser external extractor. On the other hand it is possible to load a cartridge directly into the chamber, just as in a PF rifle. The extractor is so stable, I've seen video, where it has been used for an Rem 700 upgrade. I hope I could give you some useful information.

Nice, the plastic stock is a shame but otherwise looks and sounds beautiful, thank you!

@mrparlanejxtra

5 жыл бұрын

Plastic is the way of the future Rain will not affect it and it is far more durable than Walnut.

@apoint5film743

5 жыл бұрын

The 75 is a much slicker looking rifle with two tone grey.

@jimdent351

5 жыл бұрын

Why's it a shame? They are available in different configurations, including wood. The one USOG has is called the Black Bear because of the black plastic stock. These rifles are buyers preference. If the buyer wants a wooden one then Sako has one too.

Yes I've heard they are quite exquisite. I almost got my hands on one, someone snapped it up before I got to it...

In Finland, Sako is pronounced like you pronounce it. As many of us know, the name "SAKO" comes from "Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja" ("Civil Guard Gun and Machining Works" in English), which was the full name of the old Sako factory until 1938. As a Finn, who is very familiar with Sako rifles, I encourage you to keep on using the pronunciation you've already used :)

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Harri!!!!! Nice to know I get something right once in awhile. Haha! Life is good.

@coaltrain4423

4 жыл бұрын

I was corrected many years ago concerning the pronunciation of Sako rifles.He said I got RIFLES right,but SAAKO wrong.He said "SSS-AHH-KO".He owned several Sako rifles and would get quite "butt hurt"about the incorrect pronunciation of Sako.FWIW.

Hi I have the Sako 75 model in 243 and mauser m 03 in 308 Sako every time for deer here in uk great show and informative 👍

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John - I like the 75 a lot - people seem to have forgotten it to some extent. Anyway, all the best to you in the UK!

@johnleigh349

3 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns same to you take in all that you do 👍

I had an 85 in 375 H&H and got rid of it quick. A beautiful rifle, but with a very serious design flaw. The ejector is located at the 6 o'clock position which tends to throw the spent casing straight up into the scope and frequently lands back in the action. Lots of marks on the scope also when they did halfass eject. I own 2 other Sakos, both AVs, and they are my favorite rifles but i would never touch another 85. You could easily lose your life because of one in a dangerous situation.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeff, Thanks for writing about your experiences with the ejection issue.

@ethanabrams6250

3 жыл бұрын

I have had the same problem as Jeff on three of the Sako’s I have owned and got rid of them for that reason! Love Sako just not the 85’s

All it's lacking is a Leupold scope, nice weather resistant rifle.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I'll get one : )

I have 2 Sako 85's, a 7mm rem mag, and a .270. I also now got hold of a .223 with a 24" barrel. These are almost collectors rifles. Wood is nicer than camo look! More than just guns..

I was told that, " the only things you know for certain in life are, your Mother and your name, all else can be suspect". This is not to say that we just HAVE to pronounce names correctly, but it is perhaps, nice and maybe polite, to do it so. My nephew's wife is from Finland , and she told me that Tikka, is pronounced as Tik ka, but as she pointed out "you are not from Finland, so you have to speak your own language!" The main point here then, is just make sure, you BUY one of these fine firearms, for your collection. I have one of each, my Tikka T3 is in 22-250 and recently was offered, so I bought, a Sako L461 in .222 caliber and I'm very happy I made the right decision, 'with a little help from my friends'. Thanks you for this show and tell one the Sako 85,

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Reg - your nephew's wife deserves a medal. I have so many people saying so many things - so long as I understand them - I know they are close enough to correct that I get their meaning. Thanks for writing.

Nice rifle. Your correct in that this is how a rifle should come from the factory. That is ready to go with iron sights. Yep. Just like you I prefer my rifle to have irons on them. It one thing the Ruger compact magnum and guide series and this Sako have going for them. Proper irons.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

So funny isn't it Aaron - that one can go into a store and spend $2,000. on a rifle and as it is - not hit a thing. Then comes the bases and rings and scopes.....they all deserve rifle sights - just as you say.

Very popular here in Quebec with the Tika, very well machined, well balanced.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Makes sense - can be tough conditions in Quebec and lots of experienced hunters - they would like the 85.

have a sako 85 greywolf 300 win mag. Perfect weight proportion and stock design, no harsh recoil at all. yes the brass hits the scope but ejects every time and smooth. The barrel is amazing, not a hint of copper fouling after a few hundred rds. would have liked more aggressive checkering. Scope mounting is a pain, went with talley and ended up having to use a offset base. Kinda ugly but never selling it.

What make and model of bolt action hunting rifles that are made to this day, still use both the Mauser claw extractor with a fixed blade ejector (Control Feed)?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hello - the Zastava rifles all have Mauser controlled round feed. Superb rifles. I just bought one.

@razieldrakis

5 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks, I was considering purchasing one of those Zastava M70 series of rifles as a good future Multi Purposes/Dangerous Game gun for North American based hunts. Do you recommend any specific caliber available for this series of rifle for primarily the following wild game: Deer, Elk, Moose, Bear, Bison, Alligators, and Wild Boar(Feral Hogs)?

what about the geometry of the extractor and ejector ? there was complaints online and videos to back it up that on the long action 85's the brass would eject and hit the underside of the scope and drop back in the action causing a jam.... id be pissed if i bought one and that happened on an expensive rifle like a sako! i almost bought one and while discussing it with the salesman he admitted that they were aware of it (only on long action calibers though) and had a bloke come in with a brand new scope that the underside was all scratched up (he thought theyd sneakily sold him a second hand scope). what are your thoughts experience with that issue?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Scott - Good note - thank you. I installed 3 different scopes and had nothing happen. I'm going to try a big 30 mm scope with a a windage turret on the right - many scopes are like that now. It is possible the scopes are so big now that the cartridge case hits the scope - I've seen a huge Schmidt & Bender do that on 3 different rifles. I'll comment in a video. Thanks again.

So I have an issue, I want an accurate gun in a nice wood stock. I was looking at an m70 super grade in maple or French but it’s accuracy is in doubt. So I was looking at a sako s20 today and it’s a wonderful rifle but I just wish it had decent wood. Now I’m thinking of getting a sako Bavarian in 6.5 prc. Are there any accurate modern wood rifles left that you could recommend?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Blake - Any of the rifle you mentioned will be fine. I'd buy a Model 70 in .308; any Model 700 is fine; any Browning X Bolt or A Bolt - my Remington 760 is as accurate as most bolts - there are so many out there - you can't miss 😁

Hesitating between the Sako 85, the Heym SR21/30 or a classic Sauer 100. Difficult choice but a least all 3 exist as left systems. How would you compare these rifles?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Hello LL, I'd rate Heym 1 ; Sako 85 2 ; Sauer 100 3. Those Heym SR21s are hard to beat. The 30 is unique - but in the straight pull camp. Good luck with your purchase.

Have you ever reviewed the modern mausers? Say vs modern sakos

As far as barrel and actions go how would you compare this 85 black bear to your FN model 70 Alaskan as far as quality and design goes.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

The Model 70 has CRF and is based on the Mauser - as you know. Nothing improves on that. The 85 has the removable mag, the cool barrel, the short barrel, flutes and a modern-ness about it. But is it better. No.

what do you think of the little recoil lug on the 85?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

I guess it works but maybe they can return to a regular 98 style lug. IMHO

I briefly owned an 85 Grizzly in 9.3x62 (basically the wood stocked equivalent of the Black Bear). Unfortunately it suffered from the ejection problems that people sometimes report: it tossed the spent brass straight up into the bottom of the scope. Thankfully the gun shop took it back. It was a shame, because it was others beautiful rifle.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Josh - I'll make a video on the ejection - a few people wrote me. Thanks for your note.

@nevillebriggs1002

3 жыл бұрын

I had the same problem with my 9.3x62. It was a Bavarian Carbine and I more or less fixed the problem but sold the rifle on.

The Sako 85 Varmint rifle is available with a set trigger. Do they offer a set trigger for most of their rifles?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

I think so Kenneth

This Sako has a 51 cm barrel. I have the classic (walnut) in 300 WM with a 62 cm barrel. I prefer the rings directly to the dovetail. For me is the closest bolt to the M98 without being it.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Beautifully made - you chose well; can't go wrong with an 85.

Great work sir! Do you own a steelaction rifle or do you have it on your mind for a future Video? Best regards

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hello Jamal - you bet! On order but it is slow getting to me. I can't wait to try the Steel - as people tell me it is the best and awesome.

@schneelutz

5 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns thank you very much in advance!

Watched a lot of your videos and ended up buying a Sako 85 Bavarian 30-06 which I probably won't be using. Because it's so beautiful I'm reluctant to shoot it, just pet it.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

That's a top 10 or top 5 rifle - superb buy - not easy to find now. I hope you take it out hunting or shooting. We live once. : ) My best to you.

@akrounds

Жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you!

I think you should do a video that features rifles that use bolt's with solid/one-piece bolt handles. ie BSA, SAKO, etc.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea - thank you!

Thanks again for the nice video... May i ask a question?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Of course my friend. Please ask.

@akhladi2

5 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns thank you, I just have a question as you are expert.. i have a single shot sauer and sohn heavy barrel in 22 lr It is in very good shape ,i wanted to sell it but i do not know the price,could you please let me know how much is the price range?if you need to see it ,I can send you couple of photos. thanks

Some 85’s had issues with ejecting cases that would hit the underside of scope with enough force that the cases were damaged.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

That's not good Dan - I suppose people were working the bolt very quickly as it is the speed of the hand that determines the force; the mechanism itself is a blade with no spring; the case can fall onto the top of the follower if the shooter wants that. Thanks for the note.

@danstevens2204

4 жыл бұрын

USOG very true although I’ve not heard it happen before. Sako is a premium rifle no doubt about that.

I love the 85 classic my favorite

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

That's a gem Gennero - I should get one again.

@gennerobootz6490

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I love it my 85 classic and my ruger are the only two rifles I use when I hunt

Are Sako triggers adjustable by the user? When I was a kid the feed store in our little town sold guns and he had a Sako .243, not sure of the model, but it was beautiful to this poor farm boy. I don’t know how much it cost but I do remember that it might as well be a million dollars.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I think so - but I never adjust triggers so I have little experience with what to do. Sorry.

@kennethbailey2616

5 жыл бұрын

USOG that’s okay. I don’t mess with them very often either. My BR rifle has a Jewell that measures in ounces. If I remember correctly, Jewell offers triggers in different pull weights but they aren’t adjustable by the user.

@alberttresslevic914

2 жыл бұрын

They are very easily adjusted with a small Allen key, you can even do it without removing the stock but it's much easier once the stock is off.

Hi, would the Tikka 65 action and barrel fix the sako 85 rifle stock or close fit??? Thanks!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Herby375 - sorry - no it won't. Anything can be done but too much work.

@herby375

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Ok I understand but out of all the rifles you have could you please tell me what rifle stock looks closest fit to the m65 rifle stock. any info appreciated. Thanks!!!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

The Tikka 695 can work - and if not available, I usually find a way to get the Remington 700 Long Action walnut stock to work - but plenty of time and thought - Dremels and epoxy. : )

@herby375

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks so much for your time mate :)

I just bought a SAKO TRG-S M995 300 Win Mag.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Incredible rifle. These can do things at long range that are hard to believe - but true.

I pronounce"SAKO" the way you do. It happens to also be the way that the Finns do as well. Nice rifles as usual.

@mrparlanejxtra

5 жыл бұрын

Yes there is no 'r' in Sako. it is pronounced "'Sake-oh" Also while we are discussing thexe things it is Carbine, rhymes with wine not rhyming with bean.

@mrparlanejxtra

5 жыл бұрын

I did not see the magazine ads so have now been educated. Thanks for that.

@gwcracker

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrparlanejxtra Actually it's pronounced Sock-O..

I heard that the 85 ejects upward with aggressive cycling of the bolt, and the case can hit the scope on the way out. I have no personal experience with this, it is just what I have heard. I can't really verify this.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hello - thanks for noting this. I heard from many people about it - I am going to make another video on the 85 ejection.

I just picked up a L61R 30-06. Nice rifle but can't determine what year it was made. No. 930xx. The online sources stop at 90000. Any thoughts?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hello - this might help. You'll have to check for specific features - or maybe you saw this chart already. Sorry in advance - I don't know more. www.sako.fi/sites/default/files/SakoOldmodelsNumbering.pdf

@indigoflier

4 жыл бұрын

USOG thank you. Best I can tell is 930xx is 1973. I read that Sako was a bit loose with its numbering. 😀

I watched an article about Sakos in Finnish, they pronounced it Sock-oh. You’re absolutely correct but I think in American English Say-ko is more natural to our ears. When you get a chance check out Randy Selby, of Wapiti, WY. His KZread channel is the real gunsmith. He gives a very nice dissertation on Sakos. He’s quite a character but has some great videos.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kenneth! Will do : )

How was the grouping of the tikka 65 ? Really want to know.

@abbherajbaansi7046

11 ай бұрын

In comparison to 85 and 55

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

11 ай бұрын

The 65's I owned were all MOA or less with factory ammo.

Well done..,you pronounced it correctly 🤓

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

10 ай бұрын

Thank you

I have two Sakos that I love. The Sako 85 has a known issue with ejection and I think I'm not the only viewer who would appreciate some comment on that. The attempt to combine CRF with the three lug bolt has led to a weird compromise in the ejection angle. If you compare it to a Sako A7, the A7 has a plunger ejector placed in a much more "safe" location. I love my old sakos and my Tikka T3, but the compromise made to include CRF feels really weird. It has been said that the 85 has been "fixed". How? Is the ejector filed somehow? Have you tried mounting a low scope on the 85? I would be VERY surprised if the Tikka T3 and the Sako 85 were designed by the same engineer.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hello axnordberg, Thanks for your comments. I think I made another video on the 85 and ejection. In the meantime I've tried a half dozen more 85s and found that if the bolt is worked with speed the case is ejected; slow bolt movement can result in the case falling back into the magazine - which happens with other bolt actions. Still, I'm sure they can re-design the ejection system so people have less opportunity to work the bolt in such a way that ejection seems to be a problem. The A7 and most others don't have the 85 style fixed blade - and so are more familiar to shooters. Hope my comments make sense.

@Bad_spark

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you for your quick reply! I don't think the issue is with the fixed ejector. People have been using them in great numbers since the 19th century. The problem people are having is with the ejection angle, which sometimes cause the brass to bounce into low mounted scopes. Or scopes that have large windage knobs. This has been more common with some calibers than others. Of course, the choice to go with a fixed ejector made it difficult for the designers to also have a good ejection angle, due to combining these features with a three lug bolt. The design was made when CRF was still a thing. It's no longer a thing. In this video, the youtuber makes his .375 cases hit his scope. The scope isn't even mounted particularly low. The youtuber is not working the bolt very slowly at all. He even claims that Sako told him to change out the scope. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X6t2qo-rca6qZKQ.html In this video, the youtuber shows his (rather tacky but surely quite functional) solution the issues he experienced. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pn9lzLiNfc_Ulag.html

@joelgomez328

4 жыл бұрын

axnordberg I have an 85 synthetic black in 30-06 and it also has the ejection issues. I’m using optilock rings and a leupold fxii 6x36 scope, which is a narrow and streamlined scope with small capped turrets. The casings don’t even reach the turret! They hit the bottom right side of the scope. Doesn’t matter how fast I cycle. If I slow down, the casing just falls back in. I’m going to try to replace/modify the extractor as I’ve heard that the tolerance is too loose causing a delay in ejection. If that doesn’t work, I’m just going to sell it...cheap probably, as nobody is going to want a rifle that can’t eject properly with a scope mounted on it.

@Bad_spark

4 жыл бұрын

@@joelgomez328 Are you in the US? Over here in Europe people send their rifles to Sako in Finland to get the ejection fixed. From what I've heard they do some small modification to the ejector (my guess is they file a little bit on the right side of the ejector). That might not be practical for somebody outside of Europe. The Sako 85 bolt was designed when the gun rags were still writing about how controlled round feed is essential when hunting dangerous game. The result is a compromise, but for most users there are no problems. Of course, most sniper rifles employed by militaries world wide are push feed rifles, and today the hype surrounding controlled round feed has died down. I still really like Sako rifles though.

Some Sako 85s do suffer from ejection issues. You need to have a scope mounted on it to know if you have a lemon or not. The spent case will hit the underside of the scope and fall back into the action. I looked at buying a brand new 85 Laminated Stainless in 30-06, but a little research revealed that some rifles have problems. As near as I could determine, the 30-06 was hit or miss with this condition, where the larger calibers seemed to be more susceptible. There are KZread videos that highlight this, and there are plenty of discussions on the many different forums. It's my understanding that Beretta is aware of this but is yet to fix or acknowledge it. Please put a scope on that beauty and do a follow-up video. I'd really like to know how you make out. Thanks!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim - I'll try to get it to misbehave at the range.

@jtmachete

4 жыл бұрын

I had a lemon, an 85 in 375 H&H. Spent cases would hit scope 9/10 times and land back in the open action. Not good for dangerous game rifle.

@jimdent351

4 жыл бұрын

@@jtmachete I've seen examples of this on KZread, as well. USOG has done a followup on this rifle showing that his is unaffected. I'm still nervous to buy one myself. Beretta wouldn't acknowledge, is my understanding, that some customers had a legitimate complaint and fix the problem. Did Beretta take care of you?

@jtmachete

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimdent351 Beretta didn't do a thing for me. Luckily, a friend of mine owns a gun shop and I traded it up for a CZ 550 custom safari. Out of pocket maybe $200, a lot better than having a gun I couldn't trust for a quick follow up shot. I own 2 other Sakos, both AVs, and they work flawlessly. They have the ejector at 9 o'clock and the 85 is positioned at 6 o'clock. This is the design flaw of the 85, but Beretta won't acknowledge it. I'll never touch an 85 again.

@jimdent351

4 жыл бұрын

@@jtmachete Thanks, you've just reinforced my decision to hold off on buying one.

I wonder at times if their was no USOG, how would people from far off counties where legal hunting firearms are extremely scarce be educated

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Asim - thank you for the note and your message on WA - I'm 100% and hope you and your family are as well! Always appreciate your kind words and thank you for keeping in touch! All the best Asim.

What You tink about Sako 90. Also briliant?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jack - I don't have one for shooting and review - but I'll bet they're excellent. Wish I knew more.

Is this rifle forsale ? 😊

It would look better on a good piece of wood. Plastic is practical but it isn't always about practical.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I agree - a wood stock would be far better.

When you put a scope on it, you will observe the the ejection issue. Sako needs to address this. My rifle ejects perfectly without a scope, but with the scope on, the empties will hit the scope. I have an Arctos in 9.3x62 with a Leupold VX6 1-6 scope. I also have medium Sako Optilock base and rings. It is a shame because the rfle is so accurate.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you; maybe they'll re-position the blade ejector; but that would require a cut in a lug; still they could do it. All the best.

The ejection with scope mounted fails... with dangerous game cartridges 🤣

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

Uh oh...not so good.

@gunguide9201

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns they saying controlled feed. But not really. On the long run mauser it is still unbeaten...

The Sako rilfes are nice but they do cost a lot more than a Tikka t3x

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Very true Eric - the Tikka is so well priced and does just about everything.

@erichuntter2437

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns have you seen the new Mauser M18 rifles ? There a lot cheaper than a Tikka !

😇

that model is better in 8x57 or 9,3x62

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Robert - If I could only have one I would take the 9.3

I think the Sako 85 is a well made rifle, but it rubs me the wrong way that they advertise it as being controlled round feed. It is not CRF.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

For sure you are correct - this is not a CRF rifle.

@10glocks40

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I have a Sako 85 Black Bear in .30-06. In additon, I have several Winchester Model 70s and a couple of Ruger M77, all of the Controlled Round Feed (CRF) variety. The Sako 85 is no more or less a CRF rifle than the M70 and M77s. When pushing the bolt forward on an 85 and stripping the round out of the magazine, the round pops up behind the extractor as soon as it clears the magazine lips, and the round then comes under control of the bolt face and extractor. Exactly as it does on the M70s and M77s. The 85 doesn't utilize a big claw extractor, but it does acomplish the same type of CRF as the M70 and M77 without it. So, if you can call the M70 and M77 CRF, then I think the Sako 85 must be called one, too. The presence of a claw extractor is incidental to the M70 and M77s CRF actions. Remember, the first Ruger M77s, and even the first M77 MkIIs, had big claw extractors but weren't CRF. The Sako 85 brings the cartridge under control at about the same time, and in the same way, as the CRF M70s and M77s. So the 85 is as CRF as those other two types.

Google Sako Ejection problems.. Don't think they ever fixed it.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

I think you're right.

@gwcracker

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Sorry for posting ejection.. Just read the many more where you addressed the problem.

Sako 85 have ejection problems

@jtmachete

4 жыл бұрын

They sure do, I got rid of an 85 in 375 H&H because of that problem. The ejector on the 85 is located at the 6 oclock position which tends to eject the spent casing straight up into the scope or turret on the scope, and frequently lands back in the open action. Very dangerous for a dangerous game rifle. Sako needs to address this serious design flaw.

@Skilpadjie1

4 жыл бұрын

Well I have the Sajo 85 308 and 222rem. I honestly not once have found an issue on them.

No where near 100fps per inch of barrel lost, more like 20/25 fps

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Danger - that's great! Hardly worth measuring.

@dangerranger4323

4 жыл бұрын

USOG yes I wouldn’t worry about it at all! I’m hoping to get one of the 85 arctos models soon, I prefer a 20-22 inch barrels Mxzq

Finnish: Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja Oy, lit "Civil Guard Gun and Machining Works Ltd Sako.!!!!! Not Sei-ko

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Marko : )