When a man compares a Temple to Scottish Pub can think of his level of understanding ….he failed to understand that Keralite and Bengali is not same. The way they worship Druga is different the way Keralite worship. And Kerala is not Bengal. Bengali might worship together(Men and women) , but in Kerala they divided FEW temples for Women separate and men separate. You want everyone to think and act like Bengali is not possible dude.... People are more focused on Shabarimala because it became more famous over a period of time and not everyone is bothered other temples where men are not allowed. I am not sure why people are comparing with Satti. Satti is not part of South India.

@maheshfunde6950

5 жыл бұрын

That's where the problem lies Hindu religion is very complex , we have hundreds of gods and we worship each god in a different ways and rules unlike other religion which has a single god . That's why even the supreme Court misunderstood the whole case

@natarajansaminathan668

5 жыл бұрын

Yes Bro, he think he is very articulate. Frankly I find him not well read.

@lizzystar1907

5 жыл бұрын

What about women paying taxes for breasts? What tradition was that happening in your state? Didn't the travancore kingdom and panthalam rajas enforce that that in the name of religious authority?

@arunrajap

3 жыл бұрын

Bengalis were fooled by Left for 3 decades by showing utopian idea of socialism.

Akash, Dessidre and the biased host, don’t bring your crude sense of feminism into every darn thing. I wish you had done some research on why these rituals are being followed. For God’s sake, this is not about menstruation or women being impure. The form of Lord Ayyappa at Sabarimala is about an eternal brahmachaari wanting to follow a strict regimen of brahmacharya, and hence wanting to avoid women who have reproductive capabilities. Hence the age restriction between 10 and 50. A deity has its own set of rituals that it wants to be respected in its sanctum sanctorum. True devotees are those who respect those rituals and worship the deity. These so called feminists just hear misstated facts about women’s entry being denied, and jump to conclusions. There are hundreds of other Ayyappa temples where women of all ages are allowed. Why not go there! These ‘feminists’ won’t go there, because neither do they believe in the deity nor do they think they will get media attention by doing so. Bunch of arrogant pricks just trying to prove a point and hurt sentiments of millions of devotees, both men and women!

@maheshfunde6950

5 жыл бұрын

And the irony is that the "real" woman followers of sabarimala temple are perfectly fine with temple not letting them enter from age 10 - 50 because a real follower will respect the rules of temple and they are aware of the reason why they should not enter . When the real women followers of temple are fine with it then what problem do these feminists have. Bunch of idiot feminists activists with college degree but no knowledge.

@MrArjunappu

5 жыл бұрын

@@maheshfunde6950 I totally agree with you on that!

@iamvkabhinav25

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Do me a favour. National Tv S should not discuss about this. Your panellist don't have any clue about sabarimala and they are treating this as a man Vs women issue. What a bunch of jokers.If you don't agree, below is actual evidence about real reason on why women aged 10 to 50 are not allowed. First I ask, how many of you been to sabarimala at least once in your life time? If it's zero, before your make a fool out of yourself, read this. Now here is the real reason for women aged 10 to 50 not allowed in sabarimala with evidence. Ayyappa is a diety, a person who actually existed. There is a difference between diety and god. He followed eternal celibacy which basically means he cannot be in touch with women or in their viscinity in that state. The diety in sabarimala is a prathishta in that eternal celibate state and that's the reason why women aged between 10 to 50 (Those outside can) are not allowed to visit him. Not menstruation. In all other Ayappa temples women are allowed as the deity in temples outside sabarimala are not in eternal celibate state. Those who are insisting that women should enter, think of this Eg. There is a purely vegetarian person who never had non veg in his life. Someone says that it's not correct and the veg person should have non veg and forces him to eat non veg. That's similar to (or worser) what is happening by forcing women to visit an individual in eternal celibate state. Now all these are the truth and these truth are actually followed by Every Ayappa devotee and here is the evidence. When a person decides to Visits Lord Ayappa at sabarimala, he starts a penance for 41 days during which he himselves have to live like Ayappa. Out of the many practices that need to be followed to live like Ayappa, one is that you have to be devoid of female sexual contact, both physical and mental. Physical means no sexual activity including masturbation and mental means that you shouldn't have any sexual thoughts. Basically you will live a celibate life like lord Ayyappa during the penance. This is a direct living evidence that the reason for non entry is not due to the menstrual period but due to his eternal celibacy state. Moreover, if menstruation was really the issue, women would have entered at all times at sabarimala except the menstrual period, just like how it is like in all other temples. These two facts are direct evidence for the fact that the entry ban for women from 10 to 50 is due to the eternal celibate state of the diety. If still in doubt ask any person who visited ayappa who took proper penance, what all he observed during these 41 days and he will talk about first point. Check yourself before making a fool out of yourself. Anyways, those who are trying to enter are just trying to make a point. So far no real devotees came forward and Every family who are Ayapa devotees in Kerala understand this. We wont let anyone discriminate against women. Kerala have more females per 1000 males than any other state in India. Female Birth Data talks a lot about attitude to women. The fact is that current govt changed affidavit against women entry by previous govt and filed new affidavit for their personal gain and are not in the side of devotees. Thus the supreme court order and all this mess.

@King-ky8qf

5 жыл бұрын

Toh fhir ram mandir ke naam par jo dhandha khol rakha h sarkar ne and baki ke news channel walo ne unko jake phle bol Or apne ghar me impurity na dekh bulki apne dimag me dekh

@RohitGupta-fb4bd

5 жыл бұрын

You are a bigger joker who have no clue how a democracy is run

@lingunite

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes, sabarimala is in Uganda! Go and get a life man

@akshaymurthy1143

5 жыл бұрын

lingunite Since everything is in India....You can't enter......Y don't you enter Ladies Toilet Moron

@akshaymurthy1143

5 жыл бұрын

Rohit Gupta Democracy......Then you wanna dump Diversity

Extra hyper libresism should be considered as disease

Hinduism in north is different from Hinduism in south

@pam4840

5 жыл бұрын

Does North hindus have a high moral standing to lecture us on gender equality. As ,most of the social evils and superstition for which hindus are still trolled originated and still followed there.

@kaustubhken

5 жыл бұрын

pam4840 the aryans brought monotheism in India otherwise idol worship was going on for 10 thousand years.

@yashratanpal5317

5 жыл бұрын

@@pam4840 Not at all brother i'm a Mumbaikar and I think the hindu culture down south is much better preserved that in the north. I stand strongly with the devotees of sabrimala. I don't buy a word of what these panelists are saying.

@pam4840

5 жыл бұрын

@@kaustubhken Well, monotheism is the root cause for religious intolerance and is a failed experiment...Whether there is one god or many god is subjective but my religion is better than you is unacceptable. The beauty of diversity that India boasts of has its roots in the polytheism that's the majority follows.. nothing to ridicule about, you cant mould tradition to fit your modern sensibilities and can't attach . rational or logic to it.. Its simply faith and leave it at that so much of furore over a innocuous differentiation in one temple is a plain no brainier. Until such time women teach their male kids to respect women this mentality will not change..

@anandramnath732

4 жыл бұрын

@@yashratanpal5317 absolutely true. The Hindus cultures down south is much more preserved compared to North.

akash and the host and that feminist lady don't even know hindu traditions and culture and just here for the debate. I feel that ndtv is just broadcasting just for the sake and spread hatred. shame on you ndtv. bringing up stupid people and host to debate. who hasn't done any research. who has jsut read some google answers and come up with this. bad.

@satish1724

5 жыл бұрын

You are spot on...

@Iamlatha

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. Very half baked.

@maheshfunde6950

5 жыл бұрын

100% correct

@SHNKRDS

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the host was pretty balanced. She made some good points favoring the traditionalist too.

Mr. Akash Bandarji... If you do not believe in sabarimala temple rules then nobody forcing you to go ! Temples are for devotees... Its not your night club.

Equality doesn't mean churches are same as temples. Both should be respected culturally but doesn't mean they should be treated in same way. Unawareness of Indian culture leads to such nonsense activism.

He is so much generalising the situation.... Dude this is the flavour of India.... Multiculturalism of country must b preserved until n unless faith n believe is harming and threatening life of life.... Jio aur jine do...

Then why doesn't a man have the same right to go to the temple which don't allow men to enter in 2018 , since feminism is about equality. Let me tell you there are many temples not only in India or in Hindu religion but across the world which don't allow men to enter.If these women are real followers of the sabarimala temple then they would have respected temple laws. The guy with black t-shirt is comparing temples with old Scottish clubs , seriously then why aren't men allowed in women kitty party . About law, there are many laws in India which are wrong and gender discriminatery like dowry and rape law, anti - national law etc also, The Temple has the Constitutional Right to decide who are to be allowed and not allowed to visit the Temple. This is because the Temple is a private property owned by the Deity (Considered as a minor person) and managed by the committee (Guardian of the Minor). Thus the Temple has all the right constitutionally to deny entry to anyone . In Hindu religion there are many different gods unlike other religions and we worship them in different ways and there are different rules that are to be followed by the devotees. A Punjabi Hindu or a Bengali Hindu and a kerela Hindu might have different opinion on sabarimala issue because they might worship different gods in Hindu religion and would not be aware about the rules of sabarimala. Hindu religion is very complex to understand, that's why majority of people are not understanding the issue. That girl in blue dress used big words like faith, patriarchy blah blah, I didn't understand even one point what she was trying to say. Do correct me if I said something wrong or used wrong facts.

@PeaceAkaShanti

5 жыл бұрын

Which temple in India legally bans men? None that I know off. In 2017.. 270 women were arrested for attempting to pray at Sabrimala. When did praying became a crime?

@raginireddy3

5 жыл бұрын

Mahesh Funde you are so right sir!

@SHNKRDS

5 жыл бұрын

@@PeaceAkaShanti May be if men attempt to enter the women only temples to pray, they will also be arrested

@PeaceAkaShanti

5 жыл бұрын

SHNKRDS there are no temple in India where men are legally banned. Arrest happens when something is done illegally. WHATS THE CRIME IN Sabrimala entry? When did praying or attempting to see a deity/god became a criminal activity and a civilian offense? Supreme court helped to resolve this dilemma of the ordinary citizen of the country. So essentially the court has well dissected the case by going deep into the belief system, various opinions, historical analysis how this belief came up and tested all those with our constitutional provisions to see whether it can be enforced or not. Fortunately, the court observed, these beliefs can’t be enforced as a law and hence removed it. It doesn’t mean the belief has got killed. Those ladies who still believe, it's not appropriate to visit the temple, they are free not to visit. No one is forcing others to go there. Rather removed the legal obstacle to go there. Now those who want to go there can go. Simple!

@raginireddy3

5 жыл бұрын

Peace ✌️ the point is not just about who can go and who cannot go. It’s the whole practice of celibacy. There are women sanyasis who avoid men. Why disturb the practice on the name of equality and discrimination.

Once again this channel, true to its nature, to show Hindus in bad light has pitched 3 people to one. All the three are from the north and have nothing to do with Sabarimala and I am confident that they have not heard about Sabarimala until this issue was in SC. So what kind of discussion was this. This channel brings in people who have ZERO KNOWLEDGE about Sabaraimala and pitch them against one person from the south.

The important point need to be mention here is people of India is loosing faith on supreme court, where they have missed to maintain their standard. Supreme court of India is loosing it's standard by not analysing the matter in depth.

Secularism and feminism ka Hangover hai isko

What about the famous pharse Unity in Diversity🤔🤔🤔

God..... why he is communalising the situation...????

1- Court should have given the verdict as an observation or advice asking Govt. to start a plan to have discussions and debates in public to change the tradition . 2- Feminists should not provocate and show haste in enforcing change . The verdict was in their favour and should feel good and rest , for the time being . 3-- BJP leaders are inciting and encouraging towards violence by devotees , this sould be checked by the Govt and police and courts .

Calling all communist like Akash and feminazi.. Wow.. so much balanced debate If you really want to see a debate and the real issue see the arth conclave vid on this issue.. Then you will know what real case is

Mir.. Nabyarrr... Support you

Akash... Mindless

The women who wants go Sabarimala have no shame. If a person is not invited and they said to get lost and why they are still want to enter there. Simply feminist have to shame at all.

@yusuf.k.m

5 жыл бұрын

Then do you not think women should be allowed in mosques?

@24638

5 жыл бұрын

@@yusuf.k.m i am not a Muslim and i did not know the traditions of your religion and culture.

Two many cuts

Howmany kerala ladies are supporting women entry?. Unable to find even one. Why???, sabarimala for them is not a leisure trip for their men. Earlier times, women also used take vrat at home till their men back home without being killed by wild animals. It is a faith you people do not understand

@ShekharSircar

5 жыл бұрын

patriarchy and rabid reliogisity are intertwined. No wonder, the patriarchal women are most vociferous supporters of their own degradation.

@parameswaranalakkattoor2296

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShekharSircar Kerala has matriarchal system followed widely. Do not assess this state which is far ahead in social equality and gender awareness comparable with europian countries.. First communist govt elected in the world.

@anaadyantaa

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShekharSircar Your presumption that the majority of the Kerala Hindu women, who are in support of tradition, are influenced by "patriarchy and rabid religiosity" exposes *your* patriarchal attitude. Kerala Hindu women are generally more literate and independent than the average Indian. There is not need for a male chauvinist like you to advise them on what is good for Kerala Hindu women. Please mind your own business.

@akshaymurthy1143

5 жыл бұрын

Shekhar Sarkar Kerala Women is most Literate in India.....You stupid ideas is not welcomed....

@PeaceAkaShanti

5 жыл бұрын

Parameswaran Alakkattoor Kerala is a Matrilineal society steeped in Patriarchy. It’s not Matriarchal society . Social statistics does not reflect the anti woman misogynistic mindset of Kerala men and woman ( who are agents of Patriarchy)

She is not even letting him speak for a while

Akash bhai ne le li dusre ki 😂

Akash is slowly becoming a LeftsTroll in fighting the Rights Troll....

Mr akash.....what nonsense are u talking about?

It's discrimination vs Equality.. It's Constitutional law vs Religious law

faith u can debate, but do not debate on shabarimala,unless u understand its a to z . its just for show . NO substance. please do not waste viewers time.

The one who's sitting left to the interviewer who's claiming that he's from Kerala better not come to Kerala anymore

@hridyadivakaran2428

5 жыл бұрын

@@sanoopmv2463 There's no more life for these trashes in Kerala. And yeah Kerala is owned by more sensible people. Good to know that you realised what he didn't.

@hridyadivakaran2428

5 жыл бұрын

Brother, kindly read the supreme court judgement regarding the same and 'Thandrashasthra' textbooks like 'Thandrasamucham' to check the credibility of the so-called custom that you name it as your faith in this context. As you are a literate, don't talk like an orge who's so ignorant with basic facts.

@hridyadivakaran2428

5 жыл бұрын

And I didn't call anyone trash. It was about the fatuous arguments he did. Hope you can understand.

@hridyadivakaran2428

5 жыл бұрын

*Thandrasamuchayam

@dannydanny5714

5 жыл бұрын

Men rule 💪💪

21:00 Tera Religion sabse bekar hain. Kabhi Ambedkar, Phule and Periyar ko bhi book par lena Hinduism ki upar. Dusra main nehi sochta hoon ki jo lok Hinduism ko chorkar dusre religion main convert ho gaya oh sare narrow minded hain.

i am sorrty.....the dedate here......i am sorry theses people talking doesnt know what it is........what devote and who whos is devote.........but ultimately ...we we will see

This kind of debate is so healthy and face to face. It reminds me of debates in schools and colleges.

That bit old guy doesn't know english grammar.

Atleast pronounce Shabrimala right kid, and do a bit of research before u wade into subjects u have no clue about. Offcourse your commi owner may have other ideas.

Triple Talak is not matter of faith, the hyper ventilating guy got that all wrong along with Haji Ali

Bring Uniform Civil Code....That'll prove is India really secular or not?

Why aren't men allowed in an all women's club? Simply bcoz it's an all WOMEN'S club and the same is true for something "all men".

@user-sj2rz7md2s

5 жыл бұрын

Same is true about women's toilet as well..

Sonal mehrotra also support to left government

freaking ndtv. should be banned from india.

I m disappoint with akash how he can compare sabrimala temple with wrong partice of triple talaq which is not part of Quran of modern teachings also ,Islam religion name was getting also spoil becuse of tht pratice, sabrimala doesn't allowing pregnant women or who r fertility age only how it can be against feminism?it's a bramcharya deity after all,nothing is always black n white ,right or wrong directly simple as it seems

Northy Dumbos - Give us a Break. Phuleeze

We strongly reject SC verdict...... SC don't have the right to interfere in faith.....

@user-sj2rz7md2s

5 жыл бұрын

SC has all legal right to interfere in faith..

@dbeacon159

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-sj2rz7md2s what is legal, They r questioning diversity.....

Kal tum kahoge tum Pooja karate wakt agarbatti nahi jala sakate tum gar me 2gante tak Pooja nahi kar sakate aise order doge to kya hoga shabarimala me Sabi Ko Jane ka halwa hai Mai Manata hu magar tum religion me ye faith nahi ho sakata ye very dangerous.hai

Lost all the respect for akash. He doesn't have a single clue what he's speaking. Absolute bullshit. Ndtv has to seriously get akash and j sai Deepak to debate on this. Akash will surely get schooled for sure.

@SATYASANATAN59

10 ай бұрын

True

In discussions gents seems to be from LGTB community.

I can phad diya silent..... pure silent

👍 aakash

Why is Nambiar wasting his time with these pseudo-secularists who seem to be fully convinced that they are all-knowing and liberated? They have absolutely no feel for the Sabarimala issue, and cultural sensitivity to the diverse customs and traditions of India. They, nevertheless, want to pronounce their "verdicts" vociferously drowning any counter argument. Such dogmatic people are dangerous to the cultural integrity of India, because they want to impose traditions and sentiments of their state, e.g. West Bengal, on the people of other states, e.g. Kerala, that they have little cultural similarity with. This will result in tremendous resentment in the minds of the latter (Keralites). Keep in mind that the lone woman judge in the Sabarimala case, Hon. Indu Malhotra, was against the Supreme Court verdict. How do you reconcile this fact? Do you just discard her opinions, because the remaining four male judges had different ideas. Is it not a case of "majoritarianism" in the Supreme Court judgement? If this majoritarianism is acceptable, shouldn't you give weight to the majority opinion of Kerala (Indian) Hindus on this issue? Bottomline: True devotees of Ayyappa, like Nambiar, should abstain from participating in debates of biased channels such as this one.

every society is male dominated but some are more male dominated than other... malayalees see themselves as very progressive people...but you can't help to notice subtle sexism in kerala....

women turn to 'pokemon' from 10 to 50 ,(turns back to women after 50) only pokemon is restricted , hence proved no gender discrimination ha..ha..ha.. nb: pokemon is a cartoon animal

there r 5 temples in India whch in men r not allowed,n 4 temples where women r not allowed, read books on sabrimala temples experience written by female authors only,there is ancient science behind how temples bulit, certain temples whch not allowed particular gender has an ancient science, study those books which r based on such temples not allowing men or women. Such petty issues became feminism, n actually issues like period leave policy importance, no law on marital rape,dowry,other such feminism issues get sidelined, those men who r not allowed to enter certain 5 temple should also go for gender discrimination?there is difference between mosque n temple, mosque is place of worship ,n temple in sanskrit means hosue of a deity,abrahamic relgion concept of monotheism is being very much different from this Indian mehula land. Even I used to think tht way about sabrimala n other religious places or concepts like aakash unless I came across sabrimala book, n studied concepts of abrahamic relgion There r 1000 of mosques whch dont allowe women to enter still ,y not that much effort for tht?women of that age not allowed as it can affect thier fertility.every relgion concept should be respected, whenever I want I can't go to mosque or church. To maintain secularism no need to go against concepts of religion. I m a north Indian, n proud of kerala 's matriarchy society,thy have highest literacy rate.

The Battle of the Bigots featuring From Left to Right :Bigoted-Libertarian-ideologue-wanna-be-Comedian-Wanna-be-tharoor, Bigoted Feminist,Bigoted Journalist and Bigoted Fundamentalist.

Iska to muh hi tedha hai

keep it up, Let the world know about this. men and women are equal and have fundamental rights. SC verdict is a historic judgement

To Mr. Nambiar. Kerala is NOT a matriarchal society. It’s a Matrilineal society steeped in Patriarchy. Also, stating the fact that his name’s initial come from his mother is nothing to boast off. He was born to “ Nair” community , where traditionally woman followed “ Devadasi” custom and woman could have many relationships at the same time with men. It was easy to track kids using Mother’s name as opposed to Father’s name. There is no female empowerment in that custom.

@SHNKRDS

5 жыл бұрын

"Devadasi" system is completely different, nothing to do with Kerala. It is called "sambandham".

sonal ,will u marry me ,

@brahmeshwarojha8032

3 жыл бұрын

She is married

In the 60's women of all ages were allowed so it is not a rule of yore days

@alokpramanik7634

5 жыл бұрын

majority doesnt speak truth , logic is .It a clear hindutva politics for gaining foot in kerala

@akshaymurthy1143

5 жыл бұрын

WOMEN we're allowed...did you c.........Have a strong Proof..?

@pam4840

5 жыл бұрын

dude read the survey report of Sabarimal done in 1800s the english surveyors clearly mentions that that women were not permitted and women never came to Sabarimala and this was also a proof that was submitted to the SC... But the judge who was on the cusp of retirement wanted to go off with a bang and came out with this verdict the only south indian and a malayalee on the panel of judges Mr. Kurian was removed too.... The result is there for all of us to see this issue has already made the temple trust lose crores and crores of rupees as fever devotees visited this time around and the riot, bandh and vandalism caused another few hundred crore loss to Kerala govt. lack of business to the vendors there have forced people to worry about repaying the loan, policemen spend days in the forest with little or no amenities etc.. the untold human suffering that the lack of farsightedness and ego of one powerful guy can cause this much is astounding.

@multiverse0070

5 жыл бұрын

Alok Pramanik how do u know

Akash ne fadd diya. Jio Dada.

But God doesn't exist.

@anaadyantaa

5 жыл бұрын

If you believe this, why do you bother about the Sabarimala temple and comment on it. You could use your time in doing something more useful (instead of interfering in an issue that does no concern you).

@gauravsutar4443

5 жыл бұрын

@@anaadyantaa I didn't mention about sabrimala, and womens entry into sabrimala..

@anaadyantaa

5 жыл бұрын

@@gauravsutar4443 But you are wasting your precious time watching a KZread video discussing the Sabarimala issue (and commenting on it). My recommendation is that you use your time in a more fruitful manner, since you do not believe in the existence of a god, and therefore, by inference, the purpose of a Hindu temple.

@n.upadhyay7478

5 жыл бұрын

Because to state the fact, this is why he is speaking.

going to any mosque differs from mecca , similarly visiting any ayappan temple differs from sabrimala

@62133004

5 жыл бұрын

The cultures of mosque, church and temple are different. You have to understand that. In fact in the middle east they say mosque is only a structure for them to go and pray and has no religious significance.. but in India and other countries mosques are built as an identity to their religion and link it to their faith. Temples in India are totally different, every temple is different and is built with a purpose. The rituals, traditions and practices are different in every temple. As such Sabarimala temple is a place where Swamy Ayyappa is in the form of a bramachari. The rituals and traditions of the temple are different.

I am here only for Akash, Justice Malhotra lacks sense and sensibility, Akash is better than her

3 FOOLS BIAS PEOPLE VS 1 SENSIBLE PERSON,the true face of feminism.

As always Aakash was spot on!