what are the dimensions of your wooden dowel? for 36 caliber.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

About .375 on the big end, .240 on the small end, and .912 in length. Of course there is a little wiggle room on length and the small end diameter, but the big end needs to be real close to ball size.

@Yosemite-George-61

4 жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost Thanks ! Cheers from Normandy

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

@@Yosemite-George-61 Yes, sir! Glad to hear from Normandy. (Sidenote:) Found out recently i have "Norman" ancestry.... which may or may not pertinent. Thought it's very interesting, though.

Having just received a percussion pistol, I'm going to make paper carts for it. You're right, for a beginner it makes the loading process quicker and more fun.

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

It seemed like an easy enough way to me.

@ArizonaGhostriders

2 жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost Works well on the range, then?

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders They did for me. Once in awhile I'd get a paper plugged nipple (giggity) and have to run a nipple pick through it .

@ArizonaGhostriders

2 жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost HAHA! Sorry, but you had me at "giggity" I wonder if coating the paper in Potassium Nitrate would help? That's an extra step though...

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders Don't know if it would help or not. It didn't happen often, though.

That's got to be the simplest technique I've seen for making cartridges yet and if they're effective that's awesome I'm going to try that next with my 31 Cal at .315 in this fashion. Thanks for the tip!

Thank you ever so much. You made it so easy and simple. Kindly appreciated my friend. Excellent the convenience and low cost of the paper cartridges. Effortless and I will be removing the cylinder and placing it on a loading stand for comfort and ease. Luckily I have a range in my backyard. Win win.

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to be of help!

A .36 round ball with a full load is NOT a joke. Civil War Confederate veterans said it “took all the fight” out of the enemy and was very effective. They liked round balls over conicals. This is from actual interviews of veterans by Elmer Keith back in the 1920s.

I've watched a bunch of videos on this very same topic and your method is by far the easiest way to make the cartridges. Thanks for sharing! Stuart

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful. Thank you.

Hello, I just tried making some cartridges for my .44 Remington using conicals. I kept the former straight, no taper and it worked great. I experimented with 12 grains 777 FFFG I was more interested to see if the cap ignited the charge. Pretty good 5 out of the 6 went great, 1 was a little tricky so that was probably me. I'm couldn't slide in a lubed conical so I will roll it with the former next time. I liked the technique, very simple, cheap and easy. Can use up a bit of spare time at home and maximise time at the range. Thanks very much for the video.

In my opinion, your paper cartridges would be more durable, less likely to fall apart than trying to leave the ball half out of the paper. Not something you want to put in an ammo box and shake about like a martini but they'll not fall apart at the slightest bit of jostling.

already said by someone else,but I must tell it again:you're a Genius!The simplyest things are the best!

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think I was the first to do it this way, but i can't remember seeing anyone else do it. Thank you, though.

Hi from Australia. There isn’t a more earnest and kindly spoken video anywhere.

@plowboysghost

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Not bad, Simple and quick!

You can always tear the small end open on reloading for more positive ignition.

This is much simpler than some of the other methods of seen to provide a more historic paper cartridge. This seems far quicker and just fine for recreational shooting. I might push a greased wad in when I try this method just to help with the barrel fouling but that would be all I would change. Thank you for sharing.

@BaddFrogg777

2 жыл бұрын

Or if you use a low grain charge. They say you can use corn meal for filler. Use ballistol to clean and lubricate. Some use dishing washing liquid and warm water to clean. And some use ammonia.

@mkshffr4936

Жыл бұрын

I imagine a smidge of grease over the chamber mouth should be fine.

I have not rolled a cartridge in some years. I started back in the 70's. Back then some rolling papers were already nitrited. Take a paper and light it, if it flares up it is not, if it glows and dissappears it is. I think I'm gonna go dig out my old '51 and see if I can make it work. Good video man. Thanks

Excellent technique! Quick, easy, and effective, thank you!

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

This is the way its SHOULD work THANKS . YOU ONLY NEED ONE MOLD

Thank you for a simple, effective method and presentation

@plowboysghost

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it.

Very interesting, I just might try that. I like making things like this in your video ... I have spent the last two weeks making my own percussion caps ... very happy with those. Sometimes things are easier than they seem on the onset.

@rayst.2934

2 жыл бұрын

Hi. John B. I was just thinking of making my own percussion caps, and l would appreciate it if you could share your method with us you tubers.

Excellent technique. I’ll try it soon. Thank you for posting.

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Hope it works out for you like it does me.

Great video! I have watched and tried several other methods found on KZread without success. I think this will be much easier. Thanks for sharing.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

I hope this video helps. Thanks!

Pure genius , so simple !

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

It had to be simple for me :) Thanks!

Thank you Plowboy, gonna try. Your method looks very easy.

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

Had to be easy for me to make it work...heheheh

Great diy fun! Simple and cheap tool!the top tail could be my handle to insert and catch the excess paper from the ball ring cut.

the civil war belt box was just a square leather box with a wooden block filling the leather box. Wood block had holes drilled for paper cartridges. The paper cartridges were stuffed all the way down the holes. Reason I mentioned this, is the tail on the paper (formed by twisting) allowed something to grab onto to pull the paper cartridge out of the holes in the wooden block. You could grab the nub of that tail. So they did not cut the top tail down so tight when making the cartridges so they would have enough to grab onto to lift the cartridges out of the wood block. I don't know if they bit off the tail, or cut it off, or just left it on after loading the cylinder out in the field.

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't following a historic pattern or process with these cartridges like i do with the 1855 british rifle-musket cartridges I make.....but they're better than loading loose powder and ball in the field.

Thanks for this video...... I'll be giving this a try. It seems to be a lot more simple of a process,the way you do these paper cartridges. It's definitely worth a try.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

You're quite welcome. Hope it works as well for you as it does for me.

This system is a lot simpler than trying to glue the paper half way up the bullet. I think I'll do this for my 1851 replica. It would probably work for my Old Army also. Thanks

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It's not the most historically accurate, but it's fairly simple and it works for me.

Amazing video. I've watched a lot of paper cartridge videos that make the process seem way too complicated. I'm gonna make a dowel so I can try this in my 51'. Cheers

The issue with not using lube on the cartridges is it will cause the bore to foul out and this WILL decrease accuracy. At day’s end it also helps with cleanup of the bore, but the main reason to do it is for accuracy.

Great video, I’m gonna roll up some cartridges for my 51 Navy right now!

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and good luck.

Great job on the demo! I make cartridges in a similar manner from time to time, it sure makes loading a lot faster and easier, and you don't have to bring out all the powder measures and flasks and all.

@plowboysghost

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I wish I had started rolling these 20 years ago when I got into these guns...but only really started doing this a couple years or so ago. I used to carry a bag or box of loading components and powder measure and spend a lot more time loading than shooting. It's a lot more fun this way. Now I carry a little Sucrets throat/cough drop tin box filled with cartridges and a little cap tin in the same pocket for all my shooting.

@blackpowdershooter44

7 жыл бұрын

You ever make cartridges with conical bullets? I want to give that a try and see how they come out

@plowboysghost

7 жыл бұрын

I haven't even shot a conical from a cap and ball revolver yet. I plan to get a mold for conicals and I'll try them in these cartridges myself.

@blackpowdershooter44

7 жыл бұрын

I just got mold for conicals last month for .44, never shot them yet either.

So here's a point I 100 percent agree with. As a man who has lived most of my life in grizzly country one can not justify light loads. It's far better to have to much for the rattlesnake than to little at the other end of the spectrum. One the brass of today has no resemblance to those of yesteryear. As to the paper cartridge subject of the video. Another simplicity for those who over complicate a process. So here's a thought for contemplation. I'm more a new model army guy, that being said I am baffled no one seems to utilize or talk about the potential of a replica new model Navy's full size army frame. Seem stuck on traditional loads. Casting aside potential Mountain man

I have made over 100 rounds using this method. The video on making paper cartridges I have seen. In addition, to the exact size for those who asked, I use the of a crab mallet and used the cylinder and a file to trim. It took a while but it worked.

I really like this video easy way to make paper cartridges Thanks

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to be of use.

Plowboy. I watched several good videos on rollin cartridges but could never get it right. I seen yours and saud ine more try eont kill me and dang if it didnt work! I set and made 9 in a few minutes. Thanks man. Im new to your ch so im still catching up on your videos. Keep em coming.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

I'm very happy to hear that I was able to help you. I really appreciate the kind words and appreciate you watching.

Thanks for making the video. I'll have to give this a try with my home made powder.

@donaldrhea1414

7 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah i found your videos yesterday & subd. This is Reagun by the way.

@plowboysghost

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I hope it's helpful. Yeah...Rheagun from gunslingersgulch. Glad you liked it.

Common sense approach. thanks for sharing

@plowboysghost

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Plowboy. Really enjoyed your video on simple cartridge making. I have seen many videos of cartridge making that are maybe too complicated and/or time consuming. Will be trying your method in the future. I checked out some of your other videos on BP revolvers and enjoy them also. I would recommend Blackoracle (Black oracle69 I think) and duelist1954’s channels on BP revolvers. Thanks.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot. I hope this method works as good for you as it does for me. I watch duelist1964's videos often. I'll check out the other one. I appreciate the kind words and I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.

I'm going to experiment with getting extra long papers and try rolling a wad on top of the powder just to make the projectile closer to the barrel. One reason people do this is to reduce the "jump" the ball has to make from the cylinder to the barrel and it's supposed to make it more accurate. I dont think itll be too hard to put a wonder wad or something on top of the powder before putting the ball in.

I use the tube from an old Bic pen for my 36 if it's down the chamber pretty nice with a little wiggle roomI basically just wrap the paper around the pain like I was going to roll it into a cigarette hold the wad and the ball at the tip whilst I lick and stick around and once I get it stuck twist the top of the paper around the top of the ball to hold it in, pour 20 grains of 777 from my flask cut the excess, glue another small square over the exposed powder it's still a work-in-progress but I use a raw hemp papers

Lube or lubed wads softens fouling. You can shoot a long time without cleaning.

Any chance you could show us how you made that dowel?

@BertieW0oster

5 жыл бұрын

Just buy a .36 cal dowel and widdle a taper into it.

@fiddlesticksbessette398

5 жыл бұрын

USE A BULLET CASEING,BRASS.

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

I use a 3/8" dowel, chuck in a drill and use sand paper to taper the end down some. Does not have to be exact but enough taper to allow the paper cartridge to slide into the chamber.

If the dowel former extends beyond the paper, you don't have to shake it out - just pull it from the paper cylinder. Of course with the form dowel only as long as desired, you avoid any step up or step down, but I would prefer some kind of handhold for control.

Very simple I like it do you have any videos of shooting it

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

One of a few: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpWJuthvepzfpto.html&t

Yes show us how you made the dowel please

I would probably smear a little Crisco on top of the ball.

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

There's really no need, but many do it that way.

great

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Old thread but I'll give it a try. Any ideas on the dimensions for a Walker plug (40 grain)?

Awesome video! How do I size the dowel?

That was pretty neat. Your cleaning method works way better than boiling water and using every clean hand towel in the house.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

Window cleaner with ammonia makes short work of powder fouling. I rinse with hot water (tap temperature), and oil well...making sure to remove all oil from percussion nipples and chamber of course.

do you have a video on how to make that wooden dowel?

Tell me how to make the tapered dowel. Like what size wooden dowel do you start with and how much you reduce the diameter to get the finished product.

Club papers are the best. They do not leave any ash at all.

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Good info. Thanks!

Ima try this with flashpaper

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Let me know how it works, please. Thanks.

What size caps, regular or magnum caps

Great video! Can't wait to try it. Just curious, what would be the dimensions of the dowel for the .44 cartridges? Also, will those same papers work for the larger cartridges?

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

The big end will be .454-.455"., the small end of mine is .300, and length is 1.990" I use those papers for both .36 and .44, but there's no extra paper when using them for .44s.

...could we dip the front tip on paraffine?

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

You could, i guess, dip the ball end in SPG or whatever you feel is a good lube. Good thinking!

Thanks for showing your process. If one wanted to add lube, do you think just putting a little lube above the ball would work?

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not 100% sure. It will probably be soaked up in the paper..which would be fine if the paper stayed over the ball once loaded, but often the paper doesn't. It wouldn't hurt to try some and see. It's a good idea, either way. Thanks!

Have you ever shot "shot" from a black powder pistol using this kind of cartridge?

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't.

Instead of using a separate powder measurer, why not use a flask with a spout that throws the proper charge?

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

Whichever you have is fine. I don't have a flask, myself.

ployboysghost. How did you make that dowel for this? Thanks, Mark

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

I whittled it down with a knife on one end and then chucked it up in a drill and spun the dowel in sandpaper. I then cut off the piece that was chucked up in the drill. I've thought about making a bunch of them and selling them.

I'm your 406th subscriber

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

so once you load em in you dont put vaseline or anything over the top? you dont get chain reactions?

@plowboysghost

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. No grease....and I've only had a chainfire once since 1997...which was no big deal.

@lifeasadreamrecords4479

3 жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost thanks for the reply!

Plowboy do you wax the cylinder shut in addition to the paper cartridge?

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

I don't put any grease or anything over the mouth of the chambers after loading(and I don't use wads between ball and powder) but my chambers are tight enough to shave a nice ring of lead using .375 Hornady round balls. I have never experienced a chainfire in this .36 Griswold or the Pietta 1860 .44 using .454 balls. I have an (unfired when I traded for it a couple months ago) earlier built (1995) pietta "Navy" .44 steel frame that doesn't shave a good ring of lead from .454's, and it has chainfired on me....the firing chamber and the next one to the left. Didn't hurt a thing, but I'm either going to get a new cylinder for it or a conversion cylinder for .45 Colt.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

I will neither recommend leaving the chambers unsealed(as I do), nor will I say that one HAS to seal the cylinders with grease.

Looks simple. Did you make your own dowel or purchase it premade?

@plowboysghost

Жыл бұрын

I made it

@this-Cowboys-Ride

Жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost thank you sir

How does the 36 cal. compare to a 44 cal. in stopping power??

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

In terms of "destructive" power, the .36 makes slightly smaller holes than the .44 does, but .36 round ball holes are much larger than .38 Special holes...especially when the ball strikes something harder than target paper where the soft round ball starts flattening out. In a later video, I shot a .36 through a car windshield thinking that I had used my .44 cap and ball (yeah I know how embarrassing it is to have to admit I shot my car with the wrong gun :) ) and the resulting holes were so large that while looking at them, I had no indication that they were made with a .36 instead of a .44. They were huge. In terms of energy, of course the .36 with 25-grains of 3F is less power than .44 on top of 35-grains of 3F....but though I've done no penetration tests, I am very confident in the .36's ability to do some damage. .36 at the owner's manual recommended powder charges is pretty weak, though. My .36 loves 25-grains of 3F Goex and that powder charge really wakes up .36 cal.

would hair curler paper work?

@plowboysghost

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know if they will. I used them for Sharps .54 cartridges, but these are a lot smaller...of course.

Try ZigZag or Bambo papers.

I may have to try some paper cartridges again in the future.

@plowboysghost

7 жыл бұрын

I'm going to roll them from time to time and stock up on them like I do for my long guns.

...what's the size of the dowel?

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

It's in my reply to the (newly) pinned comment/question above.

What diameter is the dowel and length?

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

.375 on the big end, .240 on the small....and length is .912.

No wad?

TRIED TO FIND A PRE MADE DOWL. INK PEN AMONG OTHER THINGS OLD FISHING ROD WORKS WELL CUT IT OFF WITH HACK SAW LIL BIGGER THAN BALL WORKS GOOD

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

Cool!

I have a question, I have a 1862 Colt Police 36. I use wads with butter bore between the powder and ball, in the paper cartridges does it foul quicker? And do you use conicals? Very nice video!

@plowboysghost

7 жыл бұрын

I'm using Hornady round balls...but I expect conicals would work the same. I'll find out when I get a couple conical molds in the near future and start casting them. As to the fouling: I can't say for sure how your gun will 'act', but my Pietta 1860 Army .44 and my Pietta .36 Griswold run fine with no wads, so i don't use them. I've never tried to put a wad in a paper cartridge, so I can't speak from experience on that. I would think that as long as the wad remains relatively flat and rams home straight, it should work the same as placing a wad between powder and ball when you're loading loose powder and ball.

@montanamountainmen6104

7 жыл бұрын

Well I'll try your recipe, looks good and if my Cimarron likes it then I found a easier way to load it in the field.

@plowboysghost

7 жыл бұрын

I hope it works for you. This method has worked for me for years...and it's the easiest/quickest way I've personally ever made pistol cartridges.

Does it work on rifles too?

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

If it were kept to a maximum diameter that would reliably fit the bore, then it would technically fit...but I don't know how easy it would be to ignite the powder through the paper in a rifle's chamber. It would probably bust the paper like it does with the pistol IF it were seated hard enough with the ramrod. Seems like the worst case scenario is that you might have to pick the flash hole ...IF it's one that allows you to get at the chamber directly like a flintlock.

I see lots of vids of people making rounds. I hardly ever see anybody loading the rounds they've made.Wish you would have told us the length of your wood piece, its length left round, its length tapered, what dia was at the bottom.

@plowboysghost

6 жыл бұрын

From my reply to another comment about 7 months ago: "About .375 on the big end, .240 on the small end, and .912 in length." kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpWJuthvepzfpto.html At 3 minutes into this video, I load these exact rounds I rolled in this video into my Pietta Griswold. Hope this helps....and thanks for watching/commenting.

That make a good blunt.

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I hear. I'm 47 and never tried it. Hard to believe when I think on how much I loved (and still love) Cheech and Chong's movies....

whats the size of the dowel..on both ends

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

.375 on the big end, .240 on the small...with a length of .912.

@shermansparks5542

4 жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost any specs on the .forty four?

@plowboysghost

4 жыл бұрын

@@shermansparks5542 I'll hunt it up, measure it and get back with you.

@shermansparks5542

4 жыл бұрын

@@plowboysghost thank you

The only thing that sucks about this is there is paper left in the chamber.

@platformperformance4497

3 жыл бұрын

The papers need to be treated so they burn completely

@plowboysghost

3 жыл бұрын

Very, very few times is there any paper left in the chamber when I've shot them.

And y’all have never had any adjacent cylinders cook off with no crisco or lard?

@plowboysghost

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't in this .36 Griswold, nor in the Pietta 1860 Army .44 that I had. (Ive owned many over the years, but only started loading without wads or grease (don't think I ever put grease over the chamber mouths...pretty sure anyway) with those two revolvers. I DID, however, have one adjacent chamber chainfire in the older(1995) Pietta steel framed "Navy".44 that I ended up putting a gated Kirst .45 colt/Schofield conversion on. It lit off the chamber that was next in line of rotation. There was a little louder report, but other than that, I noticed nothing when it happened. there was obvious lead residue where that ball had struck the wedge and split with part of the splatter going up and part going below the wedge, but no harm whatsoever. Looking it over good afterwards, I'm convinced that the only chance of getting lead spattered toward any part of the shooter would be the most unlikely chamber...the bottom one, going off...and even then you've got the frame and the cylinder between it and your face, so I guess I'm just not that concerned with it. The ball coming out of that short cylinder without speeding up in the barrel isn't that powerful, yet. I continue to shoot without wad or grease in my Griswold without incident....but your mileage may vary, so consider what I've experienced, but use your own good judgement. If I see you use wads or grease, i promise you I won't think anything negative.