Classic preceramic for me. More character, better proportions esp for smaller wrists, super comfortable, and under the radar Rolex goodness.

@mohnnadmercedes8246

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely!! The ceramic ones are bulky and super pretentious

@fontyyy

3 ай бұрын

I don't think the ceramic no date or even the black date really stand out, well not on a big wrist. Obviously if you have a precious metal one, or a coloured bezel, or a sunburst dial it's far from "under the radar".

@jussil5762

3 ай бұрын

Ceramic 0,3mm wider so basically no difference in size. Sub 41 wears most comfortable of all of them on my 19cm wrist.

@fontyyy

3 ай бұрын

omegaforums.net/data/attachments/1134/x1134310-51f16a06e2e77489cc61b3d05b4e19cc.jpg.pagespeed.ic.yxqqL7WvTt.webp Next to each other, 14060 (last pre ceramic) and 124060 (current model), not a lot in it really.

@anthonyb2990

2 ай бұрын

@@mohnnadmercedes8246 most people will tell you they look the exact same. The new watch is objectively better in every way, doesn’t have that trash bracelet and clasp.

There is something so special about the 14060 , it’s just the one to have .

Have a 1986 16800 bought new; very iconic and worn everyday since then.

The pre ceramic is more of a tool watch while the new sub looks like a jewelry. I’ll take the pre ceramic anytime.

@pauliewalnuts5241

Ай бұрын

Same here. I don't like the new maxi case and size.

Absolutely love this comparison video, very informative, I love the videos that go over the older references, keep up the good work… Love from London💕

@watchyourstyle

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks as always my friend 🙏

I own a ‘96 14060 tritium. Glorious Rolex!

I have the 14060M and I'm curious about the new model - that's why I'm here! One often overlooked difference which is relevant for smaller wrist sizes (mine's 6.5" too) is the pre-ceramic bracelet can only go down to 5 links on the 6 o'clock side, whereas the ceramic models can have 4 links. This means the clasp sits in the middle of your wrist and not slightly off to one side. It's not a deal breaker, but it's something that bugs me slightly on the older model.

@Tigster

Жыл бұрын

You can have one permanent link removed from the 6 o’clock side.

@adwnpinoy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning! Plus the ceramics has a half link. So nice to be able to be able to get the clasp centered without a watchmaker

Thank you for the refresher , I have both but tend to wear my M as my daily , I have a little more wrist 7&1/4 and I can sleep with it on its so comfortable . Enjoy your day .

Awesome comparison! I got the 14060m a couple months ago for many of the reasons you stated. It's the perfect tool watch I don't need to be delicate with, while still feeling a bit vintage.

Excellent analysis. No cheesy music, just the facts. Very well done. I hit the subscribe button.

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Scott! 🙏 happy holidays and happy new year

I had both the modern ceramic and the pre ceramic and I think one of the biggest selling points for the pre ceramic was the versatility of the watch on a variety of straps. From nato to artem style sailcloth and even leather it’s a much more classic look with the slimmer case shape that lends itself to looking amazing on different combinations of straps. The older hollow end link hollow centre link bracelet is really lovely on the wrist but the modern clasp bracelet is a huge improvement over the older style folded metal version. Both great watches but for classic looks and versatility the 14060m for me.

I bought a new M in 02. It was a spur of the moment purchase in the Bahamas. I could have waited a day longer and $500 more for the date sub but didn’t. For years I wished I did, but now I so appreciate my M! Great vid.

@watchyourstyle

14 күн бұрын

Very nice! No date is for the purist and enthusiast 😁

The exact video I was looking for.

I love my 41 Rolex submariner it’s my favorite watch to to wear 😊

14060m is greater. I am not sure if the new one is more robust. The issue I have is the 40.5 mill but also the ceramic bezel. Had a couple of friends shatter the bezel on rough terrain. I remember the replacement he a bit expensive compared to the steal insert. Also, the steal insert may scratch but won’t shatter. I prefer the lighter bracelet but the glide lock on the new one is very nice. Which ever one you have, you are getting a great piece that should be worn daily. Get all the dents and scratches on them and give it life. To be transparent I have had my 14060m since 05. It has been everywhere with me and still keeping great time. I have only serviced it once this past year and it has been running like a champ. This watch has been through surfing, scuba diving, snorkeling, climbing, working out at the gym and still is a beast. If you chose a 14060m even today pre-owned you are getting a tank.

My boy got one of the dopest watch reviews in the game! That 14060m FIRE😎

I like them both for different reasons. I own the 116610LN. Fantastic reference but it is a bit clunky. I really liked the 14060M at $3500-4000 when they were priced in the early days of 2010. Rolex does sometimes down size and go back to original case designs like they have with the Explorer 1 - 124270 which is a home run! Vintage size and feel with all the modern upgrades.

The old one looks perfect and very elegant and it has that classic Rolex look. MUCH better looking. New ones have very "Breitling Superocean"-like cases and crown guards. Don't like them at all.

@marshalbass7098

Ай бұрын

Great comparison. That exactly why I dont have a Breitling. Tudor is starting to come down on case size, but so many companies are lagging behind and think that a bigger watch will inflate the ego.

@detonator2112

Ай бұрын

@@marshalbass7098 Breitlings are fine but point is that Rolex should not look and feel like a Breitling. It lost its characteristics with these new models. To me those "spiky" crown guards will always be the correct Submariner look. Almost like when Porsche changed 911 rounded headlights to egg plants LOL.

I just got my Sub41 a week ago. I absolutely love it! Great review!

@watchyourstyle

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!! And congrats on your pickup 🤩

I loved my 16610 Sub but then I tried the 124270 Explorer. All the modern tech + the comfort of the old references.

@alphaviet6428

2 жыл бұрын

Agree!

I'm impressed with how in sync the two watched are... even the second hands aere almost in identical positions

Great review!! I would chose the 14060m over the 41mm and the older 40mm. The M is truer to the submariner while the new one is more luxury. Also, if I were to drop the M the bezel insert my or may not get damaged. It it gets damaged it is cheaper to repair. If I drop the ceramic bezel it may shatter and is also more expensive to replace or repair. Also, because I have friends that own the 40mm version. One wears it to everything. Gym, work, hot tub, adventures and so forth. The bezel still looks new but I cannot say the same for the case. It is scratched and a small ding which to me is great but there is a bit of a mismatch. Especially if you look at from the side and then you see the bezel looking perfect just seems off. Case is lived in but the bezel still very sterile. That all being said I don’t think you can go wrong with either. Both can take a beating even those from the 90s with the caliber 3000. Wear both every day and they still will put survive/love you.

I have the 14060M 4 liner which I love for its vintage air yet it’s modern movement. I love the lume and it’s overall aesthetics. I also have the 126610ln which has the tapered case which I feel is far neater than the blockier case of it’s predecessor. I love both watches for their different qualities- the modern sub date and the vintage style original sub. Congrats to you for a wonderfully balanced and informative video.

Useful video. Thanks I’m on the “list” at my two local ADs for a new sub no date. I figure the call should be coming in any decade now…ha

Just a week ago I almost trade my all set box and papers 2009 aluminum no date M sub bought at an AD for the newest but earlier next generation no box & papers 2012 ceramic date sub version and had to pay $3,700 usd plus for it. I wanted to have the same version as my Sub Hulk. If I had gone through that deal and see this video today I will be regretting it for the rest of my life. Great video!

I just like the understatedness of the 14060M it does not shout wearing your money on your sleeve.

@kraquin

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. You don't need the extra lines of text on the face or the pretentious ROLEX all around the rehaut. The ceramic bezels look cheap to me. They shine like plastic.

Great review, thank you so much. I purchased 124060 Submariner for my newborn son and 124270 Explorer for myself. Both watches produced the same year. Someday this will be his two watch collection.

@watchyourstyle

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing! That’s a lucky guy 😊 congrats 🎉

Very nice comparison! I own the 114060 and the 16610ln and i actually think the aluminum insert of the pre-ceramic is even a bit flashier than the cerachrome insert with its platinum-filled indices. Well, perhaps not really 'flashier', but it has more contrast (between the black and the indices), let me put it that way. If that makes any sense. :) Idk, i love the 6-digit but recently i seem to gravitate more towards the classic Sub. Great channel btw!

The 14060 is a really cool watch that many would love to have in their collection. The problem I see is that you have to pay almost 13,000 for a good one with box and papers. And then when you wear the watch on your wrist, it feels a far cry from that price point. If you were lucky enough to get a 14060 at normal prices, then yes, otherwise no.

@josecarlos11

Жыл бұрын

Solid points, couldn’t agree more.

@peterlewis3540

Жыл бұрын

Within reason, whatever price you pay for your pre owned, full set Submariner, its money well spent. It will retain its value, and over the years, if its serviced and maintained properly, it will increase in value as well. We would all love to be able to walk into our AD, like you could back in the 1980s, and buy a new Submariner at list price, but those days are long gone. ALL Submariners, both vintage pre ceramic, and current models, will be deemed iconic watches, dream watches for most of us, but you will never lose money owning any Submariner.

@ralfwindte5986

Жыл бұрын

13000 is a normal price!

@pierrebozon01

9 ай бұрын

@@ralfwindte5986. I bought mine 4500€… 8 years ago. 13000$ it’s ridiculous for me…

I have the 126610 and I love it. Even though the 16610 might fit me better, I feel I'd be getting overall much less watch at its market price compared to the retail price I paid on the 126610.

Like comparing a 993 and 991. Love the 5 digits era. Nice video !

Great video and thoughtful analysis. The M takes it for me. As for reliability it has the proven 3130 movement. There have been noted issues with the newer 32xx series movements namely low amplitude. Both is the obvious answer😅

I think the old 14060M was actually 39.5 MM and slightly smaller than the date version at the time. Thanks for the comparison video.

Superb video and dialog. We'll done

Love both, but just brought the 14060M a 2001 model as its my daughters birth year (and i will hand over to her in a decade or maybe her 30th. I have in my collection a JC DSD a 2022 batman on jubilee and a pepsi on oyster plus a 42mm Tudor Pelagos ...so this semi vintage sub attracted me with the clean 2 line text the case size being retro but with a fairly modern internal. I like the fact it has the old clasp, although not as well made as my DSD clasp.

This is a great video!!

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Thanks David!!

I have a 14060M and I love it but I just can’t seem to get the sizing right due to the 5 links at 6 O’Clock. I do not want to have to remove 1 permanently. So I am now looking into a 124060. Thanks for the good video

I had a 5513, never bothered with the later watches. The new one is the one Rolex should have made ages ago. Leaves the old one in the dust. You need to have the wrist for it though which the youtuber doesn't have.

I say I don't hate the ceramic at all but I love the pre ceramic Submariner. They have that legendary Rolex Submariner style. And yes I do own a Submariner 14060m from 2003. I even love the super comfortable folded end link bracelet

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

The older models feel super light and comfortable on wrist and stay faithful to their forefathers. Thanks for watching!

It's the 14060m for me any day. I find the newer Subs just far too 'flashy' for my taste. If I'm buying a dive watch, even a Rolex, then I'm not going diving with it but I definitely want to wear it a lot and not feel too precious about it. The pre-ceramic just has such a classic look to it, I absolutely love it.

Great vid, I am looking at the 14060M and this vid has helped me decide, it is a better watch for me, thank you...

@watchyourstyle

9 ай бұрын

Good choice and glad I could be helpful! Congrats on the new pickup

Vintage for the win!

rolex really ruined all their new watches lol. saw my first 14060 in person the other day as well as a same era explorer II (black dial) and I was blown away by how much better those watches look in comparison to their current references.

@marshalbass7098

Ай бұрын

Some people want the amplified luxury feel of the newer ones and they dont care about the proportions and styling of the originals.

I like much more the older one. Had a maxi case sub… I never get used to it…

I'm planning on the ceramic, because of the glide lock clasp. Once you experience the comfort of fly micro adjust, it's hard to go back.

How do you think the older ref 14060M compares to the Tudor bb58 in terms of size and fit etc, as there seems to be a lot of design q’s coming from that piece, I’d be interested to see a comparison of the two, especially as the Tudor is much easier to get hold of too.

@watchyourstyle

2 жыл бұрын

They are VERY similar in fit and finish. I would take the bb58 in black over the sub, especially on a budget crunch and beginner watch enthusiast

@dazlarg

2 жыл бұрын

@@watchyourstyle that’s interesting, is there much difference in weight on the wrist?

Thank you insightful video! If you could have only one which one would you choose from aesthetic perspective not technically speaking and why. Thanks in advance

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Anytime! I’d still go with the modern reference. Just enjoy the modern materials and tech. Also has that more “luxury” vibe to it

I have the 16610. I really think the preceramic has better contrast. The ceramic is somewhat too shiny looking. I tried to talk myself into the new 41 sub but everytime I go and look at one I still walk away feeling more authentic with my preceramic.

dope watch how much is the 2022 submarina retail if you can get one?

@watchyourstyle

2 жыл бұрын

Retails for around 8500 I believe

@YYTwice

2 жыл бұрын

@@watchyourstyle How long will the normal wait for a customer with no purchase history? I just went to my AD last week and he seems pretty cool, let me tried on the preowns and exibition models. Asked me what i wanted i said the any GMT or SUB then went and put my name down on the list in his ipad. He said most likely the Sub will be easier to come by at the store. So im just wondering

I have a 2010 14060m 4 liner and a 2018 114060. Both purchased new from AD. I've never worn the 114060 and don't intend to. It does nothing for me. Considering trading the 114060 in for a new 124060 but afraid I will feel the same way about that watch.

Best comparison having the boxy “Maxi Case” mistake skipped 👍🏽. Beat of both worlds 41mm and pre-ceramic

Between the 14060m and the Explorer 124270, which do you prefer?

@watchyourstyle

2 жыл бұрын

I think I like the 124070 more! Better versatility and tech :) and a bit lighter on the wrist

@karismorris3486

2 жыл бұрын

@@watchyourstyle Thx for the reply! Hope to see one in person soon to try. Enjoy!

@fletch557

6 ай бұрын

I wore a 214270 MK2 everyday for 3 years. This year I picked up a 14060M 2 liner from 2002 and haven’t taken it off. I’ll be selling my Explorer and sticking w/ the Sub. Love it!

Love the older subs but they go for $10k to $13k and thats just crazy for an old sub…might as well get a new one

@ralfwindte5986

Жыл бұрын

But why should you get the new one if you can get the old one for the same amount of money?

@mrff728

Жыл бұрын

Why on Earth would you purchase 5 digit, when you can have new one for the same price tag?????

i would choose the 14060 40 mm

The 14060 which you have here ran from 1990-2010. The 114060 (2010-2020) is the maxi or super case. Distinguishable by chunky lugs and a hefty square look. Maybe people on the less knowledgeable forums call these out as fakes cause they don't look quite right. The 124060 (2020-present) which you also have is the 41mm case, and back to the narrower looking lugs.

Good review. If you had a choice, which one would you pick, 124060 or 126610LV (Starbucks)?

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

I’m 124060 all the way :)

For those of you on the fence between a 14060 and a 14060m, I can confirm (as an owner) that the 14060 keeps incredible time even though it’s 3000 calibre movement is not “superlative chronometer” certified. I don’t think it’s worth it to spend extra money to get the “m” as you’ll be more than satisfied with the 3000 calibre work horse movement and it’s +\- 2 seconds a day. Additionally, all 14060’s have two lines of text on the dial whereas “m’s” often have four lines of text, which ruins the perfect symmetry the 14060 is known for.

@andrewmain8022

Жыл бұрын

Actually my 14060M has two lines of text perhaps later ones had four lines. I think that drilled lugs are also essential on a proper tool watch don't you.

@tebieku

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I love the drilled lug holes. Makes putting on NATO straps very easy

@marshalbass7098

Ай бұрын

I specifically bought the M for the 4 lines of text. I know it's not perfectly symmetrical, but that's ok, I prefer asymmetry and a slightly "busier" dial. In fact, photographers know that perfect symmetry is usually not as pleasing the eye, so they use the rule of thirds. Plus 4 lines gives it a more technical tool-like feel in my opinion.

The M is the two liner ;) the other ones have more lines

How about a comparison between your seamaster and your subs

Helpful review, however you're using the word "predecessor" incorrectly. The 14060M is not the "predecessor" but, rather, the 'successor', to the 14060; and, the 14060 is not the "predecessor" but, rather, the 'successor' to the 5513. On the other hand, the 5513 is the 'predecessor' to the 14060, and the latter is the 'predecessor' to the 14060M. For future reference, 'predecessor' means 'came before'; successor means succeeded or 'came after'.

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification! I actually realized this after finishing the video. 😬

The 124060 for me.

Love my M

The 5 digit would be better if it was half the price. Too much for what it is, might as well buy a new one

M is the GOAT. Rolex won't remake it.

I think both are great watches, and both are flashy. I bought 41mm because it’s my son’s birth year watch. For myself I bought the Tudor BB 58. Another great watch.

The current market price for the 14060m cannot justify hollow endlinks and stamped clasp for me... overall just feel cheap compared to modern Rolex, heck even the much cheaper BB58 feels better made on the wrist.

@watchyourstyle

2 жыл бұрын

You could make an argument for the collectibility of the sub, but still not enough to justify the price

@misterbianco6202

Жыл бұрын

So what about a 5513, 5510 or even a MilSub then? I think this argument is missing the point. The 14060 in my eyes is the last true Submariner and probably the perfect blend of vintage and wearability. It will continue to rise in price as its forebears already have shown impressively - and absolutely rightly so.

@marshalbass7098

Ай бұрын

The 14060m is 39.5mm and thinner, and the bracelet feels perfect to me. So the "upgrades" of the new models are actually downgrades, for me at least.

The 14060 looks better but that clasp transition looks horrendous lol

14060M for me by a mile. More like the original

I just bought a 41mm clone as a travel watch now that my 2006 14060M was increased in value over the years and I don't want to be wearing it in Italy in particular. While I have a relatively smaller wrist size I think the clone may actually be more comfortable. So who knows, I may actually be putting my name on the list to get one of the latest model no date Submariners. Does that surprise me - yes ! ! !

Who’s the luckiest guy ever??? Me…. I got mine for 3k back in 05’!!! My 16 year old son will love it when it’s his turn…

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Wow!! That’s one lucky guy 🤩

Unfortunately I need the 70hr power reserve, glide lock, chronolight...

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately Rolex has you covered! 😉

@dangerpowers5939

Жыл бұрын

Never really got why people are so crazy about higher power reserve? If you hate to wind watches maybe you should go quartz instead, or you know wear the watch...

@vijaymehra1101

Жыл бұрын

@@dangerpowers5939 this doesn't have a date so not end of the world but when you have lots of watches it can be a pain to set them all the time...also power reserve is a testament to the quality of the movement

@dangerpowers5939

Жыл бұрын

@@vijaymehra1101 no it isnt lol.

@vijaymehra1101

Жыл бұрын

@@dangerpowers5939 if you have a lot of watches with dates you have to spend 5 minutes changing the date wheel when you want to wear the watch, or but lots of watch winders. And I wind them but the ones with terrible PR don't get worn as much

The 41 is technically the much better watch.

@pauliewalnuts5241

Ай бұрын

But the case is horrible compared to the original case design

@user-do3rm1yu1p

Ай бұрын

Agreed. And the bracelet and clasp are too wide.

Don’t think you know what “predecessor” means 😬

@watchyourstyle

Жыл бұрын

Hahah sorry man, it was late and I wasn’t thinking straight 🤣

For a average wrist or bigger the newer style is much better Solid and beautiful I had all the 5 digit and 6 digit model subs Yes all of the styles, the sub 41 is hands 🙌 down the BEST

Eh go China buy la

Rolex Sub 41 wins hands down. People just like to be cool and say the opposite.

@marshalbass7098

Ай бұрын

I don't think there's any argument that the 41 is technically a better watch. But that's where it ends for me. The vintage vibe of the 39.5 wears better in my opinion. But to each their own.

the ceramic bezel clicks are as trash as the watch itself

over priced junks now...

In Toronto canada I buy a super super clone I bring it to a rolex expert he say it was real rolex . Unbelievable. Your super clone look just like mine. You a expert but a regular person like me will never know. Imagine on NKUWAN

@marshalbass7098

Ай бұрын

What is this gibberish?