There is also the 14060M, which in its early stages of production, was not COSC certified, so it was still a 2-liner. When comparing the 14060M with the newer 114060, the only differences are physical differences, because they both have the same 3130 movement. Not exactly sure which one to choose, but it comes down to the dial simplicity and finer case aesthetic of the 14060M vs the sturdier, more resistant construction of the case, bracelet, bezel, the 4 lines of text, and the larger hour markers and hands of the 114060.

@FreddyMacT

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is really the only debate. I think if you're just concerned over the aesthetics, then I think the old 14060 is the watch to get, it looks vintage while giving you the 'newer' movement that doesn't make it feel like you're compromising. But I got the 114060 because I wear that watch almost as my beater, so the tougher qualities (ceramic bezel, bigger more robust bracelet) comes in handy. I probably shouldn't wear it like that given the value and the way the grey market is going about pricing out these watches... but I have 2 other watches that I rarely wear and so the 114060 becomes 'the watch' for me. In any case, best advice I can give, is just wear it... that watch was made to be a tool and it's an awesome look either way you go.

Love the 14060....beautiful dial, subtle...Newer model 'super case' bugs me

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the 5 digit is beautiful. I’m not sure why they ever changed it. Thanks for the comment. If you enjoy the content, I’d really appreciate it if you subscribed to our channel!

This is my first automatic watch and I absolutely love it despite the negative reviews rolex seems to get. I think the weight on this watch is perfectly heavy and I love the metal band! Overall great buy!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

TylexNor it doesn’t get much better!!

Great job on this video! Really nice comparison side by side. Great time pieces either way you go. :)

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

Jon Carter Voice thanks brother

As a person who prefers "tool" watches, the Sub (no date) is the standard. I would suggest to review ones' daily activities, and to review the current watch one has on. If it is banged up and you want the Sub, get the 14060. Replacement costs for the aluminum bezel are far cheaper than the ceramic. I prefer NATO straps so would replace the Rolex bracelet, keeping the bracelet clean for those special occasions, only. Happy Holidays!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

Kevin Davis i like your logic! Merry Christmas friend!

Just for reference, the pre-ceramic (14060M) was made up until 2012. I own a 2011 one, and it's a random serial.

Beautiful watches and great review. One of my grails for sure!

A single service cost will be $900+ ... so, they really would be the same price (if purchasing 14060 for $1,000 less plus service). That makes it a no brainer between the two ... the 114060 has a better movement, 10 year service period, better bracelet, better bezel, better dial, better case, and better clasp.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Doug Hindman thanks man. I don’t disagree!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

It's really crazy. From a spec standpoint, there's no contest between the two...for essentially the same cost. There is something special about the "vintage" aspects. I really wish there was a modern version (ceramic), new bracelet, but with the older proportions. Maybe one day.

@kittenfan

6 жыл бұрын

you are lucky if you get 900. my father serviced datejust and he got charged 1,150 USD. rolex keep on jacking up the price.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Panda wow, did they have to do something special?

@kittenfan

6 жыл бұрын

there is nothing special in what they did. what is special to me is that how rolex can fuck over many people but people still play their game LOL. they jacked up the price of their sport models every year and play with supply. Oh dear. i used to like rolex and their offerings, but now i just cant justify of how much they are charging for sport rolex. in some areas, i heard they also started to implement some ridiculous rules like you cant have your warranty card or sth. they originally wanted to charge my dad for 700 USD extra for replacing the dial etc and being sneaky. i was so shocked when they asked 1800 usd. Are you kidding me?? what you wanna do with a fucking datejust anyway? this is not even a complicated watch. and then they said Oh we wanna replace the dial, etc. I said , no thank you. dont touch the dial, JUST SERVICE THE DAMN WATCH!! they finally took away 700 usd and charged 1100 usd. i still feel that my dad was fucked. but what can we do? fuck rolex.

There's a reason why 5 digit Subs are often selling as much as or higher than the new C's. They just look and feel a thousand times better. I would not be at all surprised if Rolex reverts back to the classic proportions at some point, with all the mod cons.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

1000lightyrs good point man, i think you may be on to something!

@Laennec568

6 жыл бұрын

1000lightyrs I think next basel they will do this , when then put 32XX inside it .

Great video and of course beautiful time pieces. However I mostly prefer the 14060 because its size and history. Aren’t we all somehow attracted to submarine particularly when seeing this model in movies or on celebrities :) If someone offers me this two watch with unworn condition and same price, I would definitely prefer the 14060. Thanks for the video again.

Hi like you I have a circa 1978 Rolex sub and a newish 114060, both are great watches with the older one probably my favourite due to owning 40 years. I am interested on your thoughts on whether you think your older one due to lower reflectivity or perhaps say less bling factor seems more black? My old one has a plexiglass crystal and aluminium bezel and the black just seems blacker on the bezel and the face of watch.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

That's interesting, I've never really thought about it. Your 78 is obviously a lot different than the 14060 with sapphire. To me, the 14060 almost seems "flat black" when compared to the high gloss of the ceramic.

I have the new date sub and I like it, and in comparison to my Explorer II 16570 it feels a lot more solid but a bit heavy on the wrist while the Explorer feels like its not even there. How do you compare both after a full day of wear on your wrist?

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

The newer versions are MUCH heavier. I think after a day or 2 on the wrist, you forget about it, though.

The size differences are dramatic side by side. I have 2002 Sea-Dweller, and I really like the older look.

@rollywood2793

6 жыл бұрын

You are right! Whether the SD or the submariners: Ceramic VS Pre-ceramic, they feel and wear totally different. One is a "vintage looking piece" and the other is a modern Rolex. Wether ceramic or pre-ceramic, just gorgeous looking watches!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Well said on both regards, they are very different, but both great.

@Madmanmarque

6 жыл бұрын

I still prefer the older model. The lugs and crown guards seem much too heavy for the rest of the watch. I've had a 16610 for 25 years, diving all over the world and it's still going strong. I know it's fashionable to bash the date but when I bought mine they couldn't give the 14060 away. :)

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Madmanmarque thanks for your feedback. Have you had it serviced before? If so, did you go through Rolex?

@Madmanmarque

6 жыл бұрын

I had it serviced at the shop I bought it in. About 10 years ago. Since then, I've gotten into watchmaking and have been servicing my own watches. It can be a challenge finding genuine parts as the major watch manufacturers control it with an iron fist. Also, don't get me wrong the new watch's bracelet is head and shoulders above the old. I'm not so sure about the ceramic bezel, we'll have to see how that holds up with time.

Those watches are synchronized and Now I can sleep peacefully at night again.

Nice video man; which years is the 114060? And, have you service it yet?

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a 2016. No service yet & don’t plan to for a while. I’d like to get another 5-7 years out of it before I budget for a Rolex service.

Just bought the new no-date from the AD in Cozumel. It was $7,079, minus 1.5% cashback from my credit card rewards, and minus 8.9% from the tax refund for travelers by the Mexican government. I could not believe what a great deal I got.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Dan that’s incredible!

@nezra3514

5 жыл бұрын

I’d check the movement of that watch ASAP. Most likely Chinese super replica movement inside.

@MarkMphonoman

3 жыл бұрын

You should be happy to see that your watch is selling in the 2021 resale market for around $12k. 👍

I have the newer version with maxi-dial. However, I think I like the older version better. 😏 By the way, the newer model sells for around the 12k range in 2021 resale market. The model was discontinued in 2020.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

I was a little bummed the new sub didn’t go back to its roots and use a smaller case! I have yet to see the new one bc they are getting gobbled up so fast!

I prefer my 5-digit. 14060m Modified with the 3130. And the case size along with thickness holds back to the past Rolex and close as you can get to modern specs with some of that 5513 ilk.

Wish your prices were still accurate! Good review!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

2 жыл бұрын

No kidding!

the background music is a little louder than your voice anyways awesome review

114060 is the better overall watch for the money. larger body = more metal. I wear it daily and it’s comfortable and still has a classic size. Mechanicly perfect. Both models are surely great watches.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

It’s hard to argue the other position! 114060 is solid. I would have like to see the new sub carry the traditional dimensions but they didn’t ask me! Thanks for the comment David. Please subscribe!

@davidyunnan

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 I will subscribe

With the current shortage, I had to prepay mine over a month ago. Still haven't gotten yet, but the next one that comes into our Rolex store is mine! :) great review. I really wanted to see a comparison to the older one. It's pretty drastic, they did away with all the gripes I had about the submariner with the new one (small size, and hollow, cheap feeling links).

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

Saif A did you ever get your sub?

@TheColumbiaWatchSociety are there any noticeable difference in the bands where swapping the bands across would cause any fitment issues?

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

Good question. I don’t think you would be able to flip flop the bands but i could be wrong. The lug width is the same but they fit so perfect, I’m not sure it would work. Why would you want to do that? Assuming you like the 5 digit watch head and 6 digit bracelet?

@boostlee876

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 well it’s more like me being concerned if an aftermarket Everest Rubber band from the older mode Rolex would fit the newer Rolex without any issues. Given that the bands are curved end rubber bands and claimed to fit very precisely.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

@@boostlee876 ahh, i don’t know about Everest straps but they can definitely answer that question. I have a few Ribber B’s for my c sub and i know they advertise them as two different products. Thanks for the insightful questions. Please subscribe to the page if you enjoy watch content!

@boostlee876

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 thanks for the feedback. have you ever swapped rubber b bands between the subs?? If you ever did that would probably answer the question because I’d imagine rubber b and Everest would all have to conform to the same mounting point despite brand. Subbed!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

@@boostlee876 no i have not, I no longer have the 5 digit (wish I had not sold now that value had skyrocketed )

the new one has the "Super-case" hence the fatter lugs and crown guard etc

personally prefer the 114060, more robust and better

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

Michelle Serradet} {Armando Serradet i tend to agree. That’s my every day watch.

If it's a two line 14060 it wasn't COSC to begin with. That started on the four line.

Still prefer ref 14060m

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

choe69 can’t go wrong with it, that’s for sure

I actually like the bracelet rattle lol. It keeps reminding me that it's a vintage piece.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Mazin alhamdani good point!

@Dranreb865

4 жыл бұрын

Ala seiko? One of the most overrated brand imho.

@brandonnickerson8934

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds you of the marbles in your cranium.

Love the maxi dial. Makes it look much more balanced.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

Ring Jäger it’s a beauty!

The older one is like a beautiful, slim mistress with a LOT of "history". The new one is like a fat, good and sensible wife who cooks good food. Seriously, it's not even funny how much better the old one looks.

@mohawkman4506

4 жыл бұрын

Love those older women ! Lots of experience 😈

Great comparison thanks..... love the new one.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

gman064 thanks man!!

The older one is exceptional. That is the original style bracelet. The new one is chunky and probably not going to go up in value in comparison.

@simpson-qk6yd

4 жыл бұрын

hahaha chunky

I like the glide lock but there are drawbacks to it and that’s the thing is thick and wider than the watch itself so not as comfortable.

Do they have sapphire crystal?

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

Yusaku Fudo absolutely

Can you even buy the newer model brand new? Everywhere I check is sold out.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Albert! They are very hard to find new. You can find one but you going to have to get on a wait list for a while! I’m guessing 6 months minimum. Thanks the comment, if you enjoyed the content, please subscribe to the channel!

@Albert-vi7te

4 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 I got lucky today. Called a AD in California and they had one in stock. Model 114060 in the Oystersteel. Picked it up a couple hours ago for $7900 plus tax.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

Albert wow! That’s insane! Had you purchased from them before?

@Albert-vi7te

4 жыл бұрын

The Columbia Watch Society No it’s my first Rolex. I actually never even been to that jeweler.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

Albert wow, you got lucky! I guess the lockdown is impacting the Rolex market. No chance this would occur right now on the right coast! Wear it in good health!

Which is more comfortable: The new one thanks to Glidelock or the old one thanks to its better proportions? I have a thin wrist. Could get the new one for USD 400 less than the old one. Brain says new one, heart says old one.

@nwafboimehness4411

4 жыл бұрын

BrightSparkling@Soul old one. But check out the condition first and maybe have someone more knowledgeable check it with you

@davegunner49

4 жыл бұрын

@@nwafboimehness4411 Ok, thanks man!

@davegunner49

4 жыл бұрын

After all, I went for the new one. It is such a high quality watch (even the new Omega SMP300M does not come close to it) and I love the Glidelock. Also did not want to spend more for the older one. I am very happy with my purchase.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

BrightSparkling@Soul you couldn’t have gone wrong either way. The new bracelet is epic! Enjoy and congratulations!!

@davegunner49

4 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 Thank you so much 👍😃. Buying such a watch is almost like a special life experience.

I still think the fat lugs are unacceptable

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

Luis YL i do like the thinner lugs

I should’ve watched this before getting my 14060 I’m returning now paying extra 3k bc the bracelet hollow links feels so cheap compared to modern ones. 6500 lol I’ll take 100 please what a difference 4 years can make.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

2 жыл бұрын

You said it, man! I ended up selling the 14060 for probably half of what it would fetch today, but the 114060 just feels so much more substantial. I do have a 36MM explorer (solid end links - 114070) that I love. But the solid end links are key!

Preceramic all day and twice on Sunday

@samadrid6321

6 жыл бұрын

Christian Hirsch oh yeah

@anthonyb2990

6 жыл бұрын

Why do you like it more?

@Mdgld

5 жыл бұрын

Burkinater 48 better proportioned IMO. In every other respect I’d go with the 114060

@MarkMphonoman

5 жыл бұрын

Whatever rings your bell. 😁

its lovely

You guys ever meet up to talk watches?

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Cory Dean every few months we do a g2g. Are you in the Columbia area?

@InnovativeTrigger

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, actually live in Chapin, but work in the Colombia area.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Cory Dean sweet- are you on Instagram or Facebook? Instagram is how we communicate most events but can get you on email as well. Send me a note.

@InnovativeTrigger

6 жыл бұрын

The Columbia Watch Society I sent you an email via the site. Cheers!

the 14060 is very reflective. dealbreaker

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

4 жыл бұрын

bambino bambini I’ve been wearing one for two years and would have to disagree. The ceramic is not as subdued as the 5 digit bezel but i wouldn’t classify it as reflective.

@traviskoh999

4 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 im saying the 14060 crystal is very reflective. Hard to read sometimes. Gave up mine

I think you have to have both 😀

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

mark Lawrence lol, totally agree

@abigsplash

5 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 +1

If only the ceramic was as deep black as the aluminium type. It just doesn’t look right.

funny all the comments which is better, both are rolex, if ur old fashoned and like scratched things then buy yourself an old won, worn by some ppeople before you, if u want a new firsh crisp look that will age on you then get the new one is so easy

I like the looks of the older model by far

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

excelerater it is a great look. Do you have one? Thanks for watching!

@excelerater

5 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 my local shop has one I tried on yesterday. Full AD price . Not sure yet if I want to jump on the steel Rolex bandwagon.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

excelerater I’m really surprised your AD even has a new sports Rolex in stock. They are impossible to find around here and it’s driving preowned prices up.

@excelerater

5 жыл бұрын

@@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836 o Yeah I was surprised too. WUS and internet fools and their money are easily parted.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

excelerater people get crazy and Rolex is genius!

submariner not submariner no date, the one with pcyclop is submariner date

@makemyday420antoineb.6

5 жыл бұрын

pas wal u right bro. No date it is fake to say no date 😂

@makemyday420antoineb.6

5 жыл бұрын

Submariner and submariner-date. There is no sub nodate wtf.

I have both those watches. Don’t wear the 14060 anymore because of the crappy bracelet and clasp.

@rollywood2793

6 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean, as I have the sub C/ND and a 16600 SD which is in a way comparable to your 14060 as they both feel vintagie with there alu bezel and narrower lugs, smaller hands and dial, and there rattle snake bracelet and crappy clasp... But I love and wear them both as they feel so different, since my SD is now on a vintage leather strap. Why don't you try to also wear your 14060 on a vintage leather strap? That way you would have 2 watches with totally different feeling. I really enjoy wearing, the modern Rolex on it solid end links bracelet with glide lock clasp and SD on a nice brown leather strap from Hirsh but Colored have nice ones too..

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Nathaniel Gregory the bracelet does suck!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

MrBusytimmy totally agree. I’d love to see a SubC with the original dimensions. I say the bracelet sucks but this guy is nearly 20 years old and still gets the job done ✅

@abigsplash

5 жыл бұрын

You gotta get that puppy on a leash... or strap

I was waiting for you to put them both in a bag and violently clang them together...

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

Cy Yem a from the beginning, Rolex watches were made to be worn hard! A little clanging only build character and adds to the story that will told for generations to come! But to many, they are merely a very nice piece of jewelry that are meticulously protected which is awesome in its own right. Thanks for the comment! Would appreciate it if you would subscribe to our channel!

@cyyem7721

3 жыл бұрын

I bought my 14060m in 2007 and I bought my 114060 last week. These are the only 2 watches I have ever owned. And yes I am aware of people saying they are tool watches that were made to be used to hammer in nails and smooth out cement. But imo I think people have taken this too literally. They were always expensive watches from the beginning and people have always taken care of them...

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

3 жыл бұрын

Cy Yem nice choice! Congrats on the 114060!! Wear it in good health!

Hate the maxi case.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of love hate relationships with it!

Ceramic

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

6 жыл бұрын

Guitarrick dsfsd good choice. Hard to beat the improvements Rolex made with the SubC

@MarkMphonoman

5 жыл бұрын

It definitely appears Rolex made several improvements with the 114060. I especially like the ceramic bezel and platinum numbers filling on the bezel numbers. The platinum indices give it just the right amount of precious metals bling along with the white gold on the face.

Ceramic for me any day of the week.

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

Kostas Papadakis it’s amazing isn’t it!

@makemyday420antoineb.6

5 жыл бұрын

Kostas Papadakis me toooooo

I cringe everytime you bang those two watches together !!! Aaaaargh !!!

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

Neil Atkinson tool watches man!

The 114060 is my grail watch... period.

Vidéo de l’étude

The new sub so much better

@thecolumbiawatchsociety8836

5 жыл бұрын

mark Lawrence it has its advantages for sure. I sold the 5 digit and now only have the SubC.

@Ferien7

5 жыл бұрын

The new sub is too large. It's lug size is excessive