I understand that changes were made for athlete safety. My gripe, as a fan on site, was that there was zero communication with us as to those changes and location of events. I was especially upset about the record breakers. It was moved, and the time was changed. We fans assumed it would be in the same area the other strongman events were, so we queued there. They were setting something up, I asked three staff members if they were setting up for record breakers and got sarcasm from one and non-answers from the others.

@brandonm4550

7 ай бұрын

Can anyone honestly say how that bull was setup safety was in mind? They initially weren’t using a rope either.

@kerrykelly9591

7 ай бұрын

had a somewhat similar experience at the arnolds I was there mostly to see my friend compete in the recor breakers and they changed the time and I went to that area 15 mins early to make sure i could see him and he had just gone done I was pretty pissed.

@kerrykelly9591

7 ай бұрын

@@brandonm4550 I wouldnt say they werent thinking about there safety, it was the first time its ever been used, shaw tested it and liked it. Just because one person got hurt doesnt mean they werent thinking about safety. Things happen sometimes especially with new events.

@hmcdonut

7 ай бұрын

@@brandonm4550 the entire apparatus was moved from the open field to a covered area so it would be dry. That was absolutely a change made for athlete safety.

@brandonm4550

7 ай бұрын

Yet it wasn’t throughly tested, weight wasn’t right and it constant stop and start because it was poorly designed. The constant stop and start is injury causing

If all the athletes are happy with the way things went then that’s one thing. But if as you say, Rogue are trying to reach a larger audience then the experience for the fans also needs to be taken in to account. And I think it’s clear to say that a lot of fans did not enjoy the experience of watching it as much this year due to a number of issues. Hopefully Rogue listen to the athletes AND fans and improve to make the competition better next year.

@shemian8757

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, most athletes will say they are happy even if they aren’t anyway because they are being paid so there is a conflict there….I’m sure most athletes are just happy for the opportunity, especially in sports like this which don’t have organizations behind them like nba, nfl, football etc etc

@youtubestopmakingmechangem8035

7 ай бұрын

They aren't all happy. They're just not speaking out directly about not being happy. Like thor did with Eddie

@petershortland478

7 ай бұрын

​@youtubestopmakingmechangem8035 but Eddie didn't do anything to deserve controversy he just did his business at WSM unless u mean beyond 2017 then fair enough

@SergiuNw

7 ай бұрын

And it's mostly because it rained and they had to make quick changes. Nobody in the world can have numerous different options in order to make it the best event. Sure the down calls and the go signal can be better, but that's just expected with strongman rules at this point. It's not a sport with 100% precise rules. I was happy with this competition and I was always happy with what Rogue brought. Audience should have a voice sure, but audience sometimes are just haters and that's not productive at all. In the heat of the moment any person can make mistakes, when it comes to fractions of seconds. Even robots make mistakes. Let's give them a break, cuz they could've just cancel it, if they didn't have a backup plan like the bull.

@chuckjones5379

7 ай бұрын

Rogue cannot control the weather. Almost ALL the issues fans and spectators stated were as a result of the changes made due to weather. Had the weather cooperated then the show went have went on without a hitch.

I understand not biting the hand that feeds you. And on a certain level, I agree, especially because the last 2 years this competition was superb. But even so, this one was a let down. Some problems: - 5(!) events for a 2(!) day show is really low. It was supposed to be six, so that adds insult to injury. - No axle and fingals, fingals may be understandable due to the weather, axle is not. - The last event was underwhelming, just 3 sandbags

@BuffPomsky

7 ай бұрын

Alsp not streaming the awards or record breakers was just sad

@fakename5015

7 ай бұрын

Pretty sure the last event was originally going to be a three round elimination event which is why it was called “The Duel”. Rogue seems to have gotten scared about injuries as Mitch said.

@kerrykelly9591

7 ай бұрын

yeah they need to not get so worried, these athletes just like any other understand injuries happen. Especially in a sport so physically demanding.@@fakename5015

@Pepesilvia267

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I think when the organization breaks down then you have more “controversies” with athletes. Also I swear the weather is bad most years so why not plan for it? They could have covered the top of the Zeus rig and I imagine the iron bill would fit under it and the rope climbs would have been dry. Etc. It just felt like organization this year was lower than previous years. Idk maybe I’m just being harsh

@fakename5015

7 ай бұрын

@@Pepesilvia267 I don’t think you’re being harsh. Not hard to rent a tent at least. I’ve seen better contingency planning for children’s birthday parties. Any company I’ve worked for would fire someone for this. And the notion that Rogue will stop the event because of criticism is ridiculous. Rogue will do whatever they can to make the most money. Strongman isn’t a charity case and Rogue isn’t a charity. They aren’t doing favors - they sell a shitload of products at great profit margins.

The main problem was not giving and updates to fans I checked there Web page every hour and still had to go back and find multiple events I hope they fix it next year the whole thing including CrossFit i will watch next year

Glad to hear your take on this, and congratulations again. Strongman is in the process of exploding out of it's niche into mainstream and that's going to mean some growing pains. I feel like Rogue is working to fuel that growth, engaging with the athletes, rewarding them, and let them test themselves in new and interesting events. Innovation often requires refining and it's important to keep perspective when issuing criticism. I enjoyed watching the events (favorite was rogue-a-coaster) and appreciated the free live stream. That said, there were two things that stood out to me as a years-long fan of the sport - a) I didn't like seeing Trey Mitchell get hurt and I wouldn't mind seeing the Bull tuned back a bit to allow for more finishes. I understand injuries happen when you're pushing yourself that hard, but it seemed like an absolutely brutal event for everyone aside from Mateusz (who could tow a train up a mountain). Add to that the fact that it was world-level talent doing it and I think there's an argument to be made for workshopping it. I'd also be interested to hear if you had any thoughts on improving footing, because it felt like poor traction was a big issue. b) I'd like a more climactic final event. It seemed to be based on the classic Atlas Stones and I feel like Rogue's version pared the event down too much because if you blinked you missed it. Perhaps you'll hate me for suggesting more lifts at the end of a long day, but it seemed like the three bags didn't challenge in the same way as a stones event does. Maybe I'm wrong.

I believe reffing has been a big problem in the last few years. This however doesn’t discredit the consistency and ultimately your win.

@Insane_Power

7 ай бұрын

Trey got robbed last year locked out completely got no down signal while other athletes didn't even lock out and got it faster then he did cost him the whole contest sad when you see the strongest competitor not win.

@Ian-if2lf

7 ай бұрын

@@Insane_Power yeah they need to bring in some sort of tmo replay or Ai system that can judge without discrimination if a movement has been completed properly

@Ian-if2lf

7 ай бұрын

@@loganhilderbrand8194 Ai has no bias, can scan your body skeleton and all.. and then tell if you have completed the movement or not. cheating eliminated!

I think Bobby's post on Instagram put it best. Did they hit some speedbumps? Yes. Will they improve? Yes. You are right that Rogue can run the Invitational without strongman, so all feedback needs to be constructive and useful. Just saying 'the Shaw Classic is better' or 'Giants Live is better' doesn't improve anything (and often those comments seem to align with fans who were just disappointed their athlete didn't win), and it did feel like some fans from those two camps were coming in wanting to see Rogue fail. I really hope the backlash doesn't make them get rid of the Iron Bull because it can be an amazing event with a bit of tinkering. In reality the only bad event was the last one, where I think they more than anything just underestimated how far you guys could carry the bags. No axel was disappointing but I'm sure another competition will take the opportunity to get it in soon (wouldn't shock me to see Arnold's bring it in).

I think, Mateuz missed the rule of lapping the log = good to lift. He seemed to stop his lift at the "beep" although he had it lapped - and looked disappointed. Sad, if people do not understand the rules proper, especially if it comes down to language barriers...

I know a lot we’re not happy but I enjoyed it. Strongman rule number 1. Events subject to change. Weather is a factor with an outdoor show. Has not been in years past so this year had to pivot. Congrats on the win. Mateusz and Tom looked great. Looking forward to future comps. Should be great to watch when Martins also comes back

Brian Shaw said in a Q&A Monday that shoes were a big factor. He noticed most guys didnt have the correct shoe and Mitch and Mateutsz had good shoes. He also said he wasnt expecting to test the bull so he didnt bring the correct shoes either.

@vanessaruiz4705

7 ай бұрын

oh, so Brian was there? :)

@dustinm800

7 ай бұрын

@@vanessaruiz4705 Yes, he has a behind the scene video out too.

Thanks Mitch. Really appreciate the breakdown and insight. Would love to hear more retro's from athletes.

This is the same at every competition, saw it at the Arnold with the women's deadlift, they were not locked out, not even close, but got the drop signal anyway. The point is to see who's the best, not hand out a gimme to someone who is "known for deadlifting", but didn't perform on the day. You're only as good as your last performance, if they don't get the lift, they don't get it, simple as.

So intelligent. Always observing, analyzing and planning/acting accordingly. I tip my hat for you for that, for winning and for even bothering to address the comotion. IF there was anything "wrong" with your lockout in the log lift, the only one to blame is the referee. You acted on his calling. 👍👍👍

im pretty sure that 1300lbs on some small steel rails is going to make some crazy high friction

Appreciate the detailed background. It's interesting to hear about some of the more details and strategies behind it. I'm guessing watching it back from our perspectives you can probably see why there was a lot more confusion with the wrong scoring graphics and lack of information.

Glad to see you step into this space of disagreement/controversy, maintain a positive perspective, and live up to your motto, “Lift heavy, Be Kind.”

I thought they did a pretty fair job of last-minute adjustments for insane weather. WSM had the same issue a few years ago. It's the peril of hosting outdoor events. Still was a great, free, professionally-streamed event. Aside from watching our boy lose his Achilles, I thoroughly enjoyed it!

Gotta be one of the smartest strongmen out there. Always thinking ahead with every event and the best way to get ahead

I was there live. My biggest complaint was that we wasted our money on nice seats. Strongman effects were mostly tucked into random corners, so we barely sat in them. We should have just paid for general admission and saved a few hundred dollars.

@rachelpark8700

7 ай бұрын

That's what I was saying when deciding whether or not to go to Rogue. Decided to go to OSG instead in December!

I understand adjusting for weather and it hadn’t been a problem in previous years, but it’s October in Texas. It’s not like it never rains, and the forecast over a week out was for rain on and off all weekend. I think Rogue should have had plenty of time to come up with a solution that didn’t suck for the people who paid for tickets and travel and hotels to be at the event. I’m tall so I was able to watch the log press but it wasn’t explained well at the event and anyone under about 6’2” was just out of luck.

Firstly, congratulations on a fantastic win. I'm glad to see you address some of these issues with the event and judging. While I overall enjoyed watching the event. I felt like there was some room for improvement. I would have liked to see the Apollon wheels instead of the log. Obviously weather was a factor. Again, well done.

Sounds to me like Hooper is smart enough to study the rule book and make appropriate changes

@stevemurray8257

7 ай бұрын

Just like Shaw, the brains and brawn combo working to good effect for him. Fair play, great season.

@MC-ep8cu

7 ай бұрын

Very true. Learning how to read is important. Having his Masters is valuable on many levels.

@MellonVegan

7 ай бұрын

What rulebook though

Good video. He's covered all controversial areas. The big one for me was the lack of communication to viewers, to give us the reasons behind changes. And also changing scores after the events, i.e. Mateusz bring given a point for deadlift then changed to zero

So basically on the iron bull, they should have a floating attachment such that the tension is always parallel to the ground

Great play by play. Congrats on the win! It was a tough competition, and a lot of adaptation last minute.

The weather made the comp a mess unfortunately. Leaving out the Axle because of it was really disappointing. Was looking forward to seeing that. Also the bull pull was a disaster, great idea but just not dialed in, surface didn't work and the bull itself needs some work. Brian Shaw said the same.

As others have said, it is a sport and part of that is bending the rules and finding was to get an advantage while not cheating. This is just Novokov does with split jerk on the circus dumbbell or any other person who does a different technique. Great job on the win, you are very talented!!

Congrats on the win! Enjoy the rest of the year with your family and get some well deserved rest. See you back at the Arnold and World's to defend your titles💯

Having a truckpull event that works on frictional-resistance is just a bad idea as the performance wont ever be consistent. There's mechanical wear which will change the resistance of the rails over time, but also something like humidity can have a big impact. They should get some wheels under it and make it rolling-resistance based, it will be much more consistent. Mindboggling they made it that way, anyone with a little bit of mechanical understanding would've known that. And also, if there's one way to make a loading race as boring as possible, make it 3 sandbags. Don't do that. It should be ship anchors, washing machines and lawn mowers.

As far as the iron bull goes, to even the field a little just using a longer towing rope would help. As he says when Mateutz is pulling with his hips it moves. Because the tow rope is so short the angle it makes between the shoulders and hips is quite different. Which means that the forward part of the force vector is smaller as well.

Instead of 3..2..1 why didnt they say wait for the beep. Doesn't matter when the beep is just that you hear a beep and run. Or use an air horn. Countdowns leave room for this kind of drama just wait for a loud sound and do it.

@danmoyer4650

7 ай бұрын

They were having trouble with the beeper. That's why they told them to go on "GO".

Pro tip for reviewing film on KZread. If you have the video paused you can go frame by frame by using the > or < buttons on the keyboard.

Nice video, I really enjoy this type of analysis. Cheers Mitch.

Watching the final heat from different footage (Stoltman channel, your own channel, etc), you started just before the 'go'. Very interesting analysis on the iron bull pull. All those who treated it like a truck pull didn't do well while those who just muscled through did well. Your trajectory was arrow straight, must have helped as well.

Appreciate the explanation of logpress technique. Congratulations on another win!

It's good to hear the athlete's perspective. I hadn't thought about it before, but I think you're right: In the end the leaderboard didn't show any major upsets. That is one sign of a fair competition. Nevertheless, I have to say that from a viewer's perspective the Rogue Invitational left a few things to be desired. I was honestly kind of shocked, because Rogue have been broadcasting Strongman and Crossfit for many years. I didn't think that the weather (which has been an issue at the CF Games before) could pose such huge problems. Unfortunately, viewers of the livestream were pretty much left in the dark, concerning the changes in schedule for both CF and strongman. Of course, many changes happened on the fly, but still there should have been better communication to the viewers. Especially bad imho is the complete omission of the record breakers. Anyway, thanks for your insight. Congratulations and all the best for recovery and prep for your next goals.

The Iron Bull is an easy fix: ditch the rail system, add metal skis under the sled, change from mat + rope to a ladder.

Good job Mitch! Can’t wait to watch more battles with you an Tom.

A fair and reasoned review. Thanks, and congratulations Mitch.

It's in the athlete's best interest to defend Rogue, they're bringing exposure to a larger audience (and a rather large prize pool) to the table. That doesn't mean Rogue should get a free pass for putting on what was, ultimately, a decidedly mediocre strongman show, especially compared to what Brian achieved this year with the Shaw Classic. I watched the free livestream on KZread, but if I'd paid money to attend, I would have been *pissed* at the experience

@RubbishGimpy

7 ай бұрын

How did you find Rouges in 2021, 2022?

There's a really good post on r/strongman called "Thoughts on 2023 Rogue Invitational" and it sums it up pretty well.

Would you agree that a ladder, train pull style, would completly fix any problem with the Iron Bull? It would lower the angle of the pull and enforce proper pulling form for such a weird implement.

I think an easy change to the Iron Bull to make it a little less miserable is to have metal skis on it and make the rails out of wood. The problem with dragging wood across metal is how the wood deforms. You still get deformation with metal across wood, but it affects the resistance differently and isn't quite as brutal.

Congrats on the win!! Could the event have been better? Yes. Will Rogue work to make it better? Yes. Can’t control the weather, push through. Can’t predict new event (Bull), everyone enjoys the same suck. The devils in the details (log lift rule). Love that Rogue kept safety first as the rule and adjusted fire as information came in. Great competition! Again, Congrats on all who competed.

Nothing wrong with using a rule set to your advantage, tom was unreal with the log and was also great to see your strategy. Love seeing the evolution of the sport its a great time to be a fan, looking forward to seeing how rogue inprove next year.

I think the wood in contact with the rail heated up and resin accumuladed between the surfaces. With that weight it would not need much. And at this level just a little more resistance wod make a big difference.

Sled pull could be pinching on the rails when they guys are pulling from a higher angle. A tiny fraction of an inch would make difference in tension with that much weight.

Good insights. quality vid,, tnx.

My take on your Log is there is no pause/stop at the top, yes the feet are planted, yes the elbows lock, yes you look at the judge but not in full control as there is movement. Other than that the conditions dictated changes and congrats on the win.

The problem with the iron bull is the rig can skew and the sides of the rig can rub on the rail. They talked about that in Brian’s video. Their solution seemed to be some fingered tightened locks that created more friction. IMO they should have done something like a rollercoaster that uses wheels to keep it aligned but won’t add side friction. Does that make sense?

My only real complaint was with the final event. It was too quick and (seemingly) easy for you guys. I would have preferred the bags set further back for a longer carry. Or ideally, go back to the natural stones over bar from the year Martins won - that was a great final event. Congrats on another big win Mitch!

Rogue give high prize money and Free stream. Better than what you could say about WSM

This is the most exposure Strongman events have ever gotten in the modern era (say 40 yrs?). Hats off to Rogue for doing a great job, (def better than WSM, right?!), and your point about injuries is very valid. I’ve been watching Strongman for decades, but the injuries at the Shaw Classic actually made me ask myself if I would watch it next year, it seemed reckless to me, even though the whole point of Strongman is to challenge the weights and the movements. There will always be armchair critics, let them pull a few hundred pounds, then we’ll start to listen to their opinions. Congratulations on an amazing year, hope you can rest up, after February you aren’t going to be getting much sleep, Dad!! Thanks for everything, for your inspiration, your performance, and for being an amazing representative and spokesman for strength and Strongman sport. ❤ from Canada

Fwiw I read a lot of negative comments regarding the refereeing and the whole set-up but hardly any negative comments about you mitch or any of the athletes. It was quite refreshing to see.

I like rogue, I like their efforts in building amazing implements, I like they are pushing strongman, I LOVE that they put out different streaming options. All that being said, scrapping events, a dismal final, and a couple questionable calls just cheapened the whole experience. To top it off they didn't really show the trophy ceremony for you guys. I'm not gonna trash them and say the show was a bust, they just need to do a couple things better. Congrats Moose!

The issue of the sled is specifically an issue of material science (physics matters too obviously). Wood reacts to atmospheric conditions quite rapidly and importantly, in a different way than steel does. Friction, moisture, temperature and many other aspects will change both materials. So yes, it was an issue of technique, yes it was an issue of weight, but also yes - and potentially significantly so - it was an issue of how the materials changed over time, even a short period

good to see your opinion on the event, watching it on YT from the UK reminded me of the early days of strongman when the events were spectacles and not just heavy weights on bars (although there is nothing wrong with that either), i know the bad weather played a huge part in the proceedings, and you know its bad when the stoltmans complain about it! rogues electronics took a major hit which also affected the crossfit, athlete safety has to be paramount, we want to see you guys push the limits of whats physically possible, we dont want you to get hurt doing it, and we dont want to see people get hurt because the equipment isnt safe, rogue are still new to the strongman game, they'll get better each year

tom’s lockouts are phenomenal and if there was “reviews” on reps, tom would have won

The only issue I see is with the iron bull. When you slide wood on metal over and over the wood does get flatter and smoother and stickier especially in the humidity. I vote use plastic or metal to slide on and then add some more weight to make it similarly hard but more consistent for everyone. Great work Hoop I'm glad I got to see your worlds win in person! Hope to make it to more competitions in the future

Really appreciate the video, Mitch. There were a lot of things that happened that were unfortunate with the weather and Trey’s injury that were mostly uncontrollable. I would have loved to see axel and fingals but I understand mitigating injury. I hope, and I am sure, rogue will come up with contingency plans for weather. It happens to WSM as well and we have seen plenty of weather related delays in WSM, but they always seem to figure out a suitable back up. I’m sure rogue will learn from this. My only complaint about the competition was the last event. Over too fast. Would have liked to see all the bags at the start, and only 2 at a time running the event. Think it would have kept things intriguing versus it being over and done with so fast. They were probably trying to get it over before it rained again so I get it. Your log is fine with the down signals you were given. Had the ref not given you the down signal immediately, you would have probably straightened up a bit. Love that you want to work to improve it for your own performance. Attitude like that is why you are a champ. Whiners are going to whine. Nothing you can do will change that. But offering a calm, fact based video with analysis of the video of the events is the best way to go about it. Cheers to you for that. Keep being great, Mitch. Tom is still my guy in the top tier, but I couldn’t ask for a better competitor to be his “adversary.” It’s a win win for me when two of my favs are always battling for first and second. Enjoy your offseason, and have a bud light for me 😊

I'm actually super glad you made this video. You said many of the things I was saying. Especially with starting off on the loading. Having the countdown to the loading gives athletes the chance to anticipate the go, however that anticipation can cause the athlete go too early. That's not the case with the whistle, which is what we see at other strongman events. With whistle, it's pure reaction time, which I personally feel is a bit better. As for the log for reps, I'm also super glad they had the rule for the last rep. I've also been talking about that for about 6 months. With that rule, it takes out the timing for the down signal on the last rep. If the athlete is in process of a rep when the time ends, the athlete is allowed to complete the rep. It's all about effort, if the effort started, let the effort be completed in full. I honestly hope this is adopted in future strongman competitions, and in other events.

@Testoodope

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely not. The log rule is one of the worst rules I can imagine. Go read my comment on this video to understand why it's a gimmick.

@spazisspaz6074

7 ай бұрын

@@Testoodope was it implemented correctly? Perhaps not, but I still like the idea of start the effort-complete the effort. Maybe it should be actively pressing it from the shoulders at that point. It just removes that timing pressure on the judge and athlete for the last rep. I similarly don't like the timing on events like keg toss how the time is stopped when the keg hits the ground. The effort of the throw was completed when the keg was released, so that's when time should be calculated.

The issue with new kit is that it needs to be tested and perfected before the comp. From personal experience, testing during the comp leads to issues. They also should’ve changed other events. Drop the sandbag and do the axle inside, for example.

@martinnilsson5295

7 ай бұрын

Yes safety of athletes is nr 1

Great performance! The last event for sure is an issue in terms of getting off the line fairly, especially in a timed event where everyone finishes. Regardless, I think it's fair to say that Tom and Mitch are 1 and 2 in the world. Depending on the events either one of them can finish 1st, really just depends on the events

Basic logic pull higher create lift and reduce friction between rail and wood sled just as a sack pull you would try to lift most of sack of surface to reduce drag

Well said Mitch. Rogue has done a great job. Nothing is going to be perfect if they're trying new things to promote strongman to the public. Public attention draws sponsors which in turn brings in more prize money and talent and more money to create even bigger events. So flashy or different events are a must really.

Big congrats! I thought Rogue did a good job making the live stream accessible and updating event schedules so those of us in the Great White North could tune in and cheer you on. Enjoy the off season, keep it up!

On the rogue-a-coaster, It almost looked like you were just missing a ratchet tooth at the end of every pull. This meant you were spending time and effort only to have it roll back to the previous tooth. It might just be a feel thing to figure out how to stop as soon as it's locked in near the end of your range.

I am a really understanding person and I really liked the whole competition. My only concerns are the events (wsm, rogue etc) that are too close to be timed, judged precisely. Like the wsm's bus pull (that was an utterly bullshit but you were awesome) and here the last event. Judges using stopwatches and the differences not in only hundredth but tenth of a seconds are nonsense. Make them events a little heavier or longer. Keep on going, you are incredible! :)

I buy Rogue gear because of their support in the strongman world, and streaming MOST of it live on YT for us with really good commentary and quality. Cheers for the win, Mitch. Can't wait to see Martins and Thor back in the game, and Mateusz back to prime shape.

Mitch got the down signals, so I have no problem with the scoring, but to me a log lift should be getting the log to the highest point possible. Maybe it isn't a problem to stand up straight once the elbows are locked, but it should be done anyway.

Congratulation with the win Mitch🙂

I think loz was right about them needing to make the bull a ladder Either that or soap up the rails or something

Its just super sad to see that this pulling event (or any high level vehicle pull like the Arnold Strongman European Truckpull Championship this year) comes down to a question of who accidentially brought the correct shoes to accomodate last minute changes. Anyways, its actually nonsensical to talk about the iron null, because the results would not have been dramatically different, no matter what would have been pulled. But I do not agree about friction not playing a role or making the event continuously harder, yet i wasnt there. Its just the nature of the game: truck pulls tend to get easier the later you start

Honesly i would like if the iron bull was more like on a horizontal ladder. So guys can geip and push off if discrete steps vs hard to grip slats.

Thanks for breaking this all down. Would be interesting to see the iron bull on a truck winch with a force meter and see what happens over reps. Can hardly wait until Thor’s in the mix…..and then maybe Eddie lol.

@hugodogobob

7 ай бұрын

I don't think Eddie will come back, his health was significantly worse than Thor's and Thor retired due to health. Eddie would be great to see as he is one of the strongest dudes ever but he was on deaths door when he retired

@edwrusty

7 ай бұрын

@@hugodogobob Eddie’s making great KZread money driving his tank over stuff….but I think his health is significantly improved, and others have shown you don’t have to pack on huge amount sod weight to be competitive…and his window is closing…and it’s all about the $$$.

Mitch went on 'go' in the final event. But unless there's something wrong with the sync between the footage and the audio, three people jumped the gun in the first heat (Luke, Oleksii, and Maxime).

Appreciate the video and congrats on the win. Mostly agree, although I really think doing the axle instead of the log would have been a much better choice. And the last event just sucked from a fan point of view. I think you're absolutely right about the log lockouts from a rules standpoint, but it's one of those things that doesn't sit well from an aesthetics point of view. Your log press looks like you're doing a different exercise in comparison to Tom. Like sumo and conventional in powerlifting.

Thank you for the good analysis of the iron bull. I think it is a great event. Mateusz is one of the best pullers in the world, so it was obvious that he might win. And as you said, you went late and nevertheless came in as one of the first - imo this proves, that it not got heavier!

Iron Bull would've been fixed with having metal plates under to wood to have metal against metal to minimize any change in friction while wood's surface is easily damaged especially with heavy load on it.

I don’t suppose anyone touched the iron bull track before and after the event, had a theory during the event that the rig was possibly putting sap from the wood on the track

I'm an amateur but I have pulled vehicles in Strongman shows. Getting low ad using your hips is the #1 rule when pulling a vehicle. That was my thought when I was watching this live.

Great video. Im a big stoltman fan (from Scotland 😂), and I'll be honest I thought you had false started, but I watched it back and think you just got it perfect, and Tom was a little slow.

Strongmen should seriously consider and experiment with trail running shoes for the plane pulls and similar events where traction with the ground is important. Those “nubs” are actually called lugs and the outsoles of trail running shoes have very tacky rubber (some partner with Continental tire company or Vibram which are both very sticky). Additionally, they have good lockdowns and won’t fall off like the one competitor had and they are lighter than boots that don’t have lugs. Look into like a hoka speedgoat or Salomon shoes or Nike Wildhorse.

The bull is a really cool apparatus but it needs a few adjustments like people have been saying. I think the tie point should be raised and there should be some sort of guidance on the rail so it doesn't wedge itself on the rails. I don't think going metal on metal is necessary. Rogue always builds some crazy gear and I love seeing another player in the Strongman scene.

To Mitchell it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that the physics would change during the course of the event of the Iron Bull. His resume doesn't state he is a physics expert, neither am I. But the concept of friction can't be overlooked in this regard. Guessing won't make you any wiser either. Rogue could definitely keep the event, but instead of making it this bad they could make it great. I am a bit disappointed with the coverage this year. Not seeing the final results and a podium, not seeing the record breakers either, as well as cancelling an event. Your performance was amazing though Mitch! Congrats! 💪

Mitch, how did you get your head in that little circle?

they need to have an electronic release, you hold a little knob, all releasing the same instant, then just drop it behind you after the start

Not only did I enjoy watching the Strongman events, but I would love to see them expand to include Strongwomen as well. Just as there is male and female competitions for the "crossfit" portions, I would like to see the same in the Strongman portion. Was the rope on the bull a late addition? Would it have been better without the rope, keeping the body in more of a lower crawl? The even starts and stops could be overcome by an electric pad that starts when the hand comes off and stops when the hand comes back on at the end. It would not matter if someone started a bit early.

I appreciate that the stream was free.

Rogue should be able to check the consistency of the bull with a force gauge and a then just use a winch to pull it a couple of dozen times and compare the distance travelled to the peak and average force used. Seeing the footage with Brian pre-meet, it was obvious this had not been done. I suspect it will be next year so if there are any questions around the consistency between athletes, they'll have the answers.

Moisture between the wood and the metal can become frictionized as you pull the aparatus. I watched each one and first two pullers made it further easier and the later pullers did not get that break with the moisture level.

@justinpaul3110

6 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 On what planet does moisture add friction?

My wife and I watched the whole thing live, from our couch, not the stands and we were super happy that you were able to maintain your podium streak. Congratulations from Ottawa. On a side note, I kind of remember a shirt you had last year that said, good enough everyday. Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought that was a great statement. Casual, yet aware.

As much as this year was disappointing, for many reasons, too many people I've seen online seem to have recency bias and forget how good the shows were to watch in the years prior to this. The judging criticisms are just dumb because we (the audience) aren't even told what the rules are. Also, absolutely agree with your analysis of the bull pull. I don't think the material changes so much in half an hour that significantly. I think if the rope was attached higher on the implement it would have been better.

Congrats Mitchell, take a look at the man in the arena quote from Teddy Roosevelt, it empowers me each day specially when haters are hating......#lhbk #teammoose

I appreciate that the iron bull was heavy. The worst thing for a pull is when its too light and everyone easily finishes

Did you lose points or positions on the duel ? Cheers

Congrats on the win!

IMO on the iron bull... It was damp on the 1st pull and as the pulls proceeded the saps in the wood were hwarmed from the friction and drawn out causing it to create more friction.

@nicholasohare27

7 ай бұрын

I say this with a perspective of being a fabricator, mechanic, athlete and promoter as well as having a very good understanding of how things work.

very interesting, but i think the only difference at the iron bull between the winner and you was the tension in the rope

What's keeping me thinking that the Bull did get harder is the start got progressively slower and i don't think you can blame that on technique. And why did tom do so bad even before the shoe fell off?