Whoever was thoughtful enough to name the front suspension "Without Telescoping Fork" is genius.

@kz.irudimen

Жыл бұрын

It's not even a stretch, the name is actually accurate

@KenanTurkiye

Жыл бұрын

I assume you hope he/she is not the same person who engineered the linkage, calculating the static/dynamic forces and determining the material/construction aspects? Maybe he/she was busy with all that calculation and just......named it the obvious. : )

@inventiveowl395

Жыл бұрын

@@KenanTurkiye CEO to engineer: "So we want to innovate the front suspension." Engineer: "I'm listening.?" CEO: "We'd like you to design a front suspension system without a telescopic fork." Engineer: ". . . Without... Telescopic... Fork...?" CEO: "Exactly. I will get going so as to not impede your work. Thanks and good luck!" *door shuts* Engineer: . . . *"What the fork!"*

@KenanTurkiye

Жыл бұрын

@@inventiveowl395 🙃

@KenanTurkiye

Жыл бұрын

@@inventiveowl395 Hooold ooon.....considering your username! aha! lol

First of all, thank you, Matthew, for making this test rig available for me! Sorry about the fork, but we now know that's not the final design. Also, it's interesting how the motorcycle industry has tried the same thing with front linkage and has never had much success with long term adoption. Consumer resistance is clearly the main reason, and often times it comes down to looks. I think the SCW-1 looks friggin' cool, maybe even beautiful. But I've spent my life drooling over mountain bikes with telescoping forks, and there's something unexplainable inside me that feels more comfortable with that. Getting to the root of this could teach us a lot about human nature. Either way, I can't wait to see what Structure comes up with next!

@Mentholox

Жыл бұрын

The best selling bike in europe for the last 15years has this design. The GS lineup from BMW. Though BMW is the only one who made it succesfull as far as i know. They call it a telelever

@cameronwashington6187

Жыл бұрын

Rode Matts bike down in Sugarland Texas and was super impressed with it. At the time he had a electric motor mounted it flew through the trails with ease.

@GarageBilt

Жыл бұрын

As soon as I saw this and you said Bentonville I knew exactly who lent you that bike. Matthew is a real one for sure. Also that being Matthews bike its been through it. That guy goes big 100% of the time.

@fiveletters

Жыл бұрын

Mentioning motorcycles made me realize I've never seen a bicycle with a leading link front suspension on the street whereas it's been common in motorcycles for a very long time, especially underbones and sidecar rigs. I don't think brake dive is nearly as much of a problem on bicycles because of the magnitude of forces involved, though it might be interesting to explore for a tech-y video.

@kilianortmann9979

Жыл бұрын

@@Mentholox Not quite, the Telelever still has telescoping stanchions (tele+lever), but they don't contain springs or dampers. This is very similar to the Duolever system of the BMW K1200/1300/1600. Think Telelever = McPherson for bikes, Duolever/Hossack = Double Wishbone for bikes.

Your the reason I got into MTB about 3 years ago and I've never looked back. Now my whole family is into it and we ride multiple times a week. So thank you for not only making great content but truly changing my life

@benkearney8459

Жыл бұрын

w comment

@The_Real_JN

Жыл бұрын

​@Patrik course you're called Patrick lmao

@endtimesarehere1322

Жыл бұрын

Me too. Family of 5 and we all ride. Two 42 year olds, and three 13 year olds all full suspension mountain bikes. Its been a crazy 3 years.

@Jake-0

Жыл бұрын

I hurt my spine but I’ll be cleared to ride in three more weeks I can’t wait to get back out there

@cduemig1

Жыл бұрын

Me too. Haven’t been this year yet with back issues but got me into it years ago when he was riding around the city and “trying” mtb.

BEARING MANUFACTURERS LOVE THIS ONE COOL TRICK

Of course this has been done 20 years ago with the Whyte PRST1. I’m surprised it’s taken this long to come back as the Whyte had a loyal fan base and good reviews. Though it was heavy at a time when lightness was considered the most important quality for a bike.

@davidchiarletti4648

10 ай бұрын

I REMEBER that where bike very well never liked it though !GATE13SW6CREW cfc

The "Shop Cone Wrench - 1"?! Cool :) We had the opportunity to ride one out at Sea Otter Classic and it felt promising!

The fact that it gets slacker as the shock is compressed is the real gamechanger for me. That is just an incredible feature for a mountain bike to have. Other bikes have already engineered that feature into the rear linkage at this point, which combined with this front end could be the future of mountain bikes!

So glad you got to ride and enjoy the SCW-1 and SO Bummed the fork failed on you but SO Happy you weren't hurt. Great meeting you and see you soon in NC.

I love seeing companies trying new things. That’s how we get better stuff!

@krazed0451

Жыл бұрын

It's not new, not even remotely.

@waynemarsh3771

11 ай бұрын

​@@krazed0451 Explain to the person how it's not new then... Instead of sounding like your being a dick about his comment of not knowing that this is just another progressional adaption of old design ideas from other companies. 👌🏻

@krazed0451

11 ай бұрын

@@waynemarsh3771 Nah. Looks like you've got that covered.

@inhale27

2 ай бұрын

@@krazed0451you’re tight 😂

Something about Seth's videos just puts me in a good mood. Been having a rough day at work, and watched this video at lunch break. Now I'm just in a better mood, it's weird. Lol. My job is definitely doing things differently everyday......but kind of the same....

Totally agree with "soft spot for bold, creative engineering"! I remember when Cannondale was pushing everything in bicycles & dirt bikes...fantastic years!

@robvanduren761

Жыл бұрын

And ATK with off road motorcycles

@danielrauer5864

Жыл бұрын

I so much fell in love with Marin bikes when the put front telescope forks at the rear, must have been around 94? But this design... Well, need much more time to try and like it.

@guest6423

6 ай бұрын

Interbike 1995 was glorious. Almost nothing worked well or lasted, but it was so exciting. The potential seemed limitless. Now, everything works pretty well, but it's kinda boring.

Looks like a modern version of the Pro Flex we loved back in the 90s 💪

This looks very interesting. Great to see some innovation in MTB engineering that's not just about adding or subtracting a few millimeters or degrees here and there every other year.

@Ferrari255GTO

Жыл бұрын

The big findings have already been made, but they are getting added slowly overtime for people to adapt to them because they still need to sell the bikes. For example, DH MTB would bennefit a lot from far higher bars, but it would look whacky enough that people might be skeptical about it.

@AndreasRavnestad

Жыл бұрын

@@Ferrari255GTO There's also the Grim Donut and its successor, which I consider evolutionary leaps :) Regarding DH bikes, I think you're spot on. I've put riser stems on my DH bike as well as my two enduro bikes and added Spank 35 60mm riserbars as well. Makes the climbing slightly worse, but it's really nice in steep sections.

@whitetrashblackops4998

Жыл бұрын

@@AndreasRavnestad I have a tall stem and 76 mm dirt jump bars on my trail bike. It’s fantastic.

@jimsonjohnson3761

11 ай бұрын

This is old and just marketing BS. If it were smart it would still be in use and popular everywhere

@lawrencefranck9417

10 ай бұрын

Not new bmw , Honda, and mountain bikes had this decades ago.

You make the best MTB videos ,thanks for entertaining me and learning new things ❤

This is the future of mountain bike suspension we need, but not the future we're going to get.

@onlysendsmtb

Жыл бұрын

Stay strong. We're not All luddites!

@mattkock

Жыл бұрын

@nickhudec I feel the same way. In my 32 years riding and racing mountain bikes it is by far and away the Best Bike I have ever ridden. Mike Levy might have said it best. "There is NO combination of stanction tubes and sliders and bushings no matter what fancy coatings that can compete with the level of calmness, composure and control of the Structure Cycleworks WTF linkage suspension."

@Ruefus

Жыл бұрын

When the 'cheap one' is $7,000+ !?!?!? Yeah - I'm never gonna get it. On of the problems with the bicycle industry right now is the *ridiculous* cost of these things.

@JoshuaTootell

Жыл бұрын

People hate proprietary components in bikes, and this makes the entire frame proprietary. I'm not against this, but it's probably not going to catch on in a mainstream way.

@onlysendsmtb

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaTootell Is it really more proprietary? I mean, think about it. If you want to change the feel of your fork on your "normal" bike, you have to buy the entire system: structure, spring and damping system. With this bike the structure is separated from the spring and damping. You can buy a different shock way cheaper than a different fork. Seems to be less proprietary in that regard. You can't put Rockshox Buttercups on your fork if you are running Fox. You'd have to buy a whole new fork.

I love that you explore technology even if it is not "cool" tec. I think the front end of the MTB is where we will see the most transformative changes, as far as engineering and creativity goes, over the next 30 years. It will take about 5-10 years before the real dramatic stuff happens. As I peer deep into the future I see a two wheeled vehicle that behave and perform vastly different from todays bike. It looks like something H.R. Giger would imagine, almost organic. In fact parts of it are. I see interconnected front and rear suspension that communicate with each other, but not in a traditional shock construction sense. The bike will flow over things in ways we can't even imagine(I can). Things as crazy as Rampage being done by intermediate riders. Cables and chains are gone. Wheel sets are airless and your mind is connected to the bike in some barely imaginable way. . . Well that was fun. So Seth you should do a show on the future of bicycles, specifically bicycles decades away. That would be way Cool Dude! P.S. Great show as always Sir. Cheers Kid! - M

I remember when I saw this bike at Spider Mountain a few months ago. I was shocked. I immediately commented on your latest video (at the time), asking for you to review this bike. I’m so glad that you did because it’s such an interesting bike. Great video as always Seth, keep it up.

@mattkock

Жыл бұрын

That was my bike at Spider. I take the Demo Bike there quite a bit. If you see it there again you HAVE TO give it a go.

i stopped riding my mountain bike years ago. still subbed to your channel. always a pleasure, never a chore.

9 minutes & 50 seconds Speaking of things that bring joy to people, thank you for the videos & the channel.

This looks like a modern version of the Whyte PRST-1. Its good to see a company see the advantage of such a design and try to resolve some of the original flaws as I've always felt there was potential there.

@heathb4319

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that comment. I knew i had seen something similar over a decade ago but couldn't remember the name and style at all.

@PavelBarbanegra

Жыл бұрын

The original patent is Hossack double wishbone front suspension

@MrProctitus

Жыл бұрын

I had a PRST 1 and then a PRST 4. Loved them both and only just sold the PRST4. This looks like the next level. Wonder why Whyte moved away from the design. Maybe they just didn't sell that well.

@robbybobbyhobbies

Жыл бұрын

Was thinking the same. I had a demo day on one way too many years ago (20? Over ten anyway). Ended up with an Ellsworth Truth (sadly sold within a year) instead but it was an interesting day's riding for sure.

@jimsonjohnson3761

11 ай бұрын

That'll be 7k please

Hey seth thats a crazy cool bike. Keep the bentville content coming its been great.

I found your channel while looking for ideas for a new bike and since then i have followed your content, I can’t wait to see what this odd bike has to offer.

Awesome content again I learn a lot watching your channel Thank you Seth your bring the best out of your rides

I live in Calgary, where these bikes are designed, and have never seen one on the trails here. Thanks for bringing some attention to an innovative company.

Kudos to Structure for doing what's right.

I love that response regarding the fork. That's how we handle stuff over here too, and I'm glad to see other small, bold engineering firms doing stuff like that! :D Kick ass, Structure Cycleworks!

I really enjoyed that video. Great new format and your presenting has really come on!

I think it's awesome. I too enjoy bikes, and components that are out of the ordinary. If I had the $$$, I'd buy one tomorrow. Very cool.

It's a bold design, but it does remind me of the Whyte PRST1 and JW2 from the early 2000's great to see a company being bold with their designs though.

@magellan35

Жыл бұрын

We are friendly with the Whyte team and very aware of the PRST bikes, which were way ahead of their time. We do some things differently, with a different axle path, shock leverage ratio, and no spherical bearings in the load path👍

@cup_and_cone

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. I understand the concept about controlling the head tube angle and preventing brake dive, but the solution by Whyte was way overengineered. You could do the same thing with a more simple design...like taking the Girvin Vector design and use unequal parallelogram links so it slackens under compression. It would also fit more frames...

@stevenfairclough5745

Жыл бұрын

Loved my PRST-1

@jenniferbrien3408

Жыл бұрын

Get rid of some of the pivot points by unifying the top rear and bottom front arms into one beam and you'd have a modern version of the Whippet from 1885.

@maddogmtb

Жыл бұрын

Had a Whyte PRST1 in 2001. Rode Moab on it. The spherical bearing was a weak point, it used to wear quickly as the sealing was poor. Later models had a hideous rubber boot over the top. The bolt failed on mine whilst barrelling downhill, the bike effectively spilt in two and the lower part of the swing arm dug in the ground catapulting me over the bars and onto my face. Good times.

Super cool! I love it when people think outside the box.

Seth breaking all the bikes this week. Keep up the amazing content! I love it!

The DW link patent turns 20 in September... Really looking forward to seeing what happens in the next couple years with the rear suspension from smaller bike brands.

@edgardacanay8460

Жыл бұрын

Only the first iteration is going to open up to the public soon. There have been 6 revisions to the DW-link since to accomodate the changes in wheel sizes, chainlines, chain deflection angles, axle standards, travel and recently, e-bike integration etc.

Similar idea to the BMW R1250 GS (motorcycle) the R - GS range has been considered one of the best adventure style motorcycles due to the stability of a shock on the front for over the fork set up. Also isolating the steering from the suspension makes for a much smoother ride.

@ruquik

Жыл бұрын

you spelled knock off wrong

@X85283

Жыл бұрын

@@ruquikthe GS has used telelever for a couple of decades….

Hell yeah! I love different things and I would totally ride this thing.

Very interesting design, thanks for sharing Seth!

Great customer service. That is worth the cost of the bike alone imo.

Dude, I've just recently found your channel and have been binge watching your content for the last three days. How refreshing it has been to find a super-passionate mtb enthusiast like yourself! Somebody who has dedicated their time into making video candy for us all 😊 Thankyou Sir! 🤟🏻

I honestly couldnt care less about the water bottles. I never leave my house without a bladder in my backpack when i am out for activity. I think your aversion to backpacks partly comes from never finding the right one. I love my Camelbak KUDO Protector 10. It has a built in back protector, 1.5 L water bladder and enough storage for an extra jersey, some snacks and replacement parts/tools and i never notice it during a ride. A water bottle on my frame is just nothing i put even a little bit of thought into. I would take it off if it came with one

@loomspace

Жыл бұрын

Same, crazy to me that people still care about "wudder" bottle mounts.

I saw one of these at my LBS at Draper, UT and its definitely an eye catcher! I ended up getting a Rail 9.7 but I'll never forget seeing this bike for the first time!

That's bonkers. And we need more of that!

expect the front part protruding outwards, the design is just wow.

@mudkayak6305

Жыл бұрын

wonder if it can point backwards into the space there?

They should make a hardtail

@fpeter01

Жыл бұрын

With rigid fork!

@mattkock

Жыл бұрын

Just wait. ;-)

Awesome video dude!

awesome vid like always.. thanx seth.. and that air bnb looks sweet.. :)

Seth I have an idea for a funny video : Build the Comfiest MTB ever , start with a full suspension bike then also add a suspension seat and even suspension spokes I can only think of these 4 suspension types if you know another one add it up 😅

@playgroundchooser

Жыл бұрын

1. Add those suspension handlebars. 2. Add Rev Grips. 3. Add a suspension stem. 4. (I have no idea where I saw it, but at one point I had seen) Add "suspension" pedals. 5. Hopefully not die. 🤣🤣

The linkage is called wtf 😂😂😂

To me one of the most important things that talk good about a company is their support and follow up. Of course in biking you put the equipment through its paces, and a failure might be serious, however I rather have a company who would respond good towards a failure than having a company who has few failures but never responds to anything that comes up or blames it on the user. It really put a smile on my face to hear the good response from the company, and if more companies were like this, I feel all products would just be better

I met a kid at Brumley Forest in Hillsborough NC yesterday wearing one of your jerseys. It was so cool.

Bmw type front suspension that is awesome , i was wondering when that was going to be implemented in a mtb

@jaya8352

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my BMW K1300S was similar, what a badass cruise missile that bike was

@daniblanaru1520

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see there are other motorcycle riders enjoying seths content

@larsnilsson77

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t BMW call that tele-lever? I only tried it once, but that was on track. As I recall it, it was great for braking deep into corners.

@3dcre8r28

Жыл бұрын

@@larsnilsson77 Something like that, there was tele-lever, duo-lever, para-lever, as I recall one was front, one was rear, and maybe one was a generic term, though my memory may be way off haha

This bike needs the raised reverse stem.

@misterpister

Жыл бұрын

I had to search through the comments to see if anyone had posted what I was thinking.

@magellan35

Жыл бұрын

We spent all of Sea Otter 2022 with one mounted to one of our SCW1 race bikes 😀

I would love to ride this!!! Thanks for the video! Always awesome.

Hey Seth, loved the video as always. I think a lot of us would love a big Berm Peak jam, much like how you did at berm creek before you moved. Seems like it would be a great time!

Really thought you were gonna open with it looking a little bit different, but riding kind of the same

@mmodtomic7119

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh... missed opportunity!

Wooow u think Homer Simpson designed this monstrosity!! Lol 😂

Love the look of that fork🔥

You’re beautiful on a bike, bruh. You an ace. I wouldn’t have thought that seeing ya. Lol. Good channel. Cheers 😊

I can promise you right now I will never ride a bike like this or ride one of those linkage forks

I'll bet you $1,000 this does not become the new normal. Again.

Always cool to see alternate engineering ideas make it to production.

What a nice birthday surprise!

Looks like a great ride.

A tribute to the old but awesome AMP parallel forks. Loved them, the only disadvantage of them was the limited total travel you can achieve.

Hey I met the designer when I lived in Calgary. Great guy and very innovative. I took a bike for a ride around the block in an urban setting and it felt amazing. Would love to have one if it wasn't so far out of my price range.

Excellent. THANK YOU.

That's an insane looking bike!

Terrific insights once again. Thank you Seth. Missed you in Bentonville but would have loved to put you on my Pinion drive Zerode Katipo.

I raced for a decade in the 90s and there were 2, ok maybe 3 front ends that did the same thing kinda. The girvin vector, amp b and (almost) the lawill leader. Ive ridden all 3 and still those 3 hold up to anything else ive ever ridden. The arc type travel as opposed to just up and down (telescopic) is truly incredible for maintaining your geometry when being compressed. Im currently on a fox 40 but even that pails in conparison to how a proper linkage front end rides. You have to ride one if you can. it will change how you view suspension ! I would love to give one of these a ride i bet it's lovely.

I love it, and will have to wait a lonnnnng time till the day I can afford one!

Great video and showcase! I kind of want to see a full squish take on both this fork’s and the Jekyll’s rear-shock’s designs in one, that would be a sight to behold for sure.

I'm a motorcyclist and its interesting seeing mountain bike designers try things that have been tried on motorcycles and did or didn't work out.

Always love your videos

I like it! Its art and function.

This bike looks so cool.

This + the raised reversed stem = match made in heaven 🤤🤩👌

Good review. Glad the company was cool about the fork being cracked. It kind of reminds me of the Girvan/Noleen fork I had 20 years ago. 🙂👍

@mattkock

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that bike had been raced Pro DH and Pro Enduro under Mason DeKeyrel for a year and then it's been my Demo Bike for 2 1/2 years and it's been crashed more times than I can count at AngelFire, Trestle, Spider Mountain and All Over Arkansas. I inspect it but I guess carbon can only hit the ground So many times. It was a Pre-Production Chassis and there have been NO Failures in Production models. Since 1994 I myself have run the Girvin, AMP and Lawill linkage forks and always Loved them. When Spy photos of the Structure hit the internet in 2019 I emailed the company and tole them they HAD TO hire me. ;-)

If it looks right.... And it most certainly does to these eyes. Fantastic that rake actually INCREASES under front suspension compression.

Cool. I have a soft spot for unusual design, too. In my early MTB days I rode a Parkpre Pro 825 with a Lawwill Leader fork and I loved it.

Interesting idea for front suspension👍🏽

Love the Sam Pilgrim clip at the beginning. He’s the best.

I really love the look of this bike. It looks plush. I was in Bentonville riding that weekend would have loved to have seen you riding the bike. WTF is also Welcome to Fruita😂

“Deep in the small category” 🙌🙌🙌🤙

it looks so sick!

A fine piece of engineering. It would be nice to see a Dh variant but i understand what a huge outlay the design and tooling would cost, but the potential for steering geometry tuning is huge. A couple of flip chips in the linkages and frame would give a staggering variety of handling options.

it was weird that you couldn't find a demo because took one out for a few hours at sea otter last year and met the owner, love the vids btw!

Right on. Ya i rode that bike once myself. Off top, it is really good for enduro. Was awesome (smooth) and fast to me.

I got to ride one of these for a few minutes at Sea Otter, it was just a "parking lot test", but I remember it felt pretty good

Thank you. For getting Me in to mountain biking i own a hardtail and i ride the trails next to my house

i have yet to see one in the wild. cool that you got the oppurtunity to test one out. 35lbs seems lighter than id expect lol

As one with a love for strange front forks this is very cool design that as Seth said offers a different feel and the plushiest ride. I’m all for fork innovation. I just wish Cannondale could make a long travel 29er lefty so I can replace the lyrik I got on my moterra. My first mountain bike I ever bought with my own money was a full carbon FSI with a carbon lefty. I loved that bike.

that thing looks nuts

never have heard about this bike, and feel in love immediately! too bad it costs 3/4 of my car 🥲🥲... but what a beauty!!!

I’ve tried this guy before, and I really enjoyed it. Besides the biking public’s perspective and opinions on it, I wouldn’t mind owning one

It looks kinda cool very innovative

I used to own a Proflex 957 this was one of the best frames and fork combo ever I thought

All I needed to hear was "plush". Looks cool to me and I like the sound of the functionality of the suspension.

I want that bike with the big riser stem you tried a month or two ago. That would make for quite an usual looking bike.

Cool to see Seth not limited to diamondback tech, would love to see his take on high pivot and pinion gearbox

The 1990's tried experimenting with suspension (both front and rear). The MTB Industry settled upon a telescopic fork and 4 bar rear suspension. It works. I worked in a bike shop as a kid in the 90's. We'd sell a new "design" every time it came out.

Super cool do you remember the proflex from the 90s was the first full suspension mountain bike but it uses urethane shocks I rebuilt one about 10 years ago I was able to find the shocks and even new old stock LX shifters. I remember in the early 90s I wanted one really bad but I couldn't afford it so it was fun to rebuild one. The reason why I'm mentioning this is because the bike you're riding is so different that reminds me of that proflex when it first came out love your videos sorry for being long winded thanks brother

Always a great day when Seth posts