someone mentioned already, but a steel pole barn is a necessity to keep that loco healthy during the winter. also you might want to wear a respirator, theres lead paint on that loco for sure.

@Trains-With-Shane

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to mention lead based paint as well. Also I hope they're going to spray something on it for rust abatement or prevention or else that steel will start to rust so fast you can see it after all that paint comes off. Wouldn't be a good base to put a coat of paint on without that step.

@richardbause2453

2 жыл бұрын

Brian, after Needle scaling 2 Alco RS-18's on the Adirondack Scenic, your engine would be a piece of cake 🎂. 2 days ready to be painted 😀. Got a color scheme for it? Richard Bause

I would suggest wearing a good respirator as there is probably lead in that old paint. Even if there is no lead it would be a good idea. You can buy a test kit to check for lead.

@bsalightning69

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with the respirator, they kick up a lot of rusty, dust, etc. Not something you want to inhale.

The infamous’ Needle Gun’ . Used many times in the Engine Room of the USS Hewitt DD 966. Don’t miss it but respect you guys for getting that Locomotive. “ Squared Away “ . Great Videos guys, don’t stop 🇺🇸

@cwcarr2002

2 жыл бұрын

USS Peleliu and I definitely dont miss the needle gun. Lol.

Having used the needle gun extensively myself, i recommend not only protective ear and eye items, but also the heaviest grade gloves you can get - the vibration that needle gunning gives is not only very unpleasant after using for long periods, but can also cause nerve damage. Personally, i reckon grit blasting would be much faster and efficient - the less time exposed metal is left untreated, the more problems it will cause. As to livery ? Take a look at JR's livery styles - best in the world, much like their railways. i'd go for the diesel shunter DE 10, DD 51 livery myself - grey, red and white.

You would better served by renting a sandblaster. Much faster and more efficient. OR, look for a company that does this with a portable media blaster. They can come out to the jobsite and take care of business in no time. HOWEVER route you choose, make sure you spray the exposed metal with an etching primer to prevent it from rusting again. Also, in regards to the two engines, there are outfits that have portable steam cleaners that will again, come to your worksite and steam clean both engines and the engine bays. Just an fyi...

@kittty2005

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah why not donate the dough for the sand blaster and steam cleaner services, He's using what he has because it's paid for and it still works.

@kman-mi7su

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same, a sandblaster or soda blaster would be much quicker and easier. The ETR may not have the budget for that being it is a young startup operation. But, the sooner they paint it and it looks good and professional, they can start to attract clientele easier.

@kmcwhq

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sandblast it

@gotchagoing8843

2 жыл бұрын

@@kittty2005 I live on my VA disability and my SS. If I had ANY extra money I would kick in. How about you springing for it?

@kittty2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@gotchagoing8843 I have a single income too 24000$ a year, I'm in low income housing and the only reason I have a car is a friend bought it for me ,when I retire it will be SS period. This man already knows what he needs. My brother was a helicopter mechanic in 'nam in '66 he was on SS ,but he wasn't disabled and made more money than me, he died this past January, he suffered from PTSD but got nothing for it, but worked through it by helping those that came home without limbs and other body parts working with his church to help his brothers find peace and some normalcy, my brother died of pneumonia. I miss him. Have a wonderful evening.

Sandblasting is the only way to go that’s going to take an eternity.

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

sand is terrible to electrics.

@WHJeffB

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but frozen CO2 blasting would be best. "Sand" blasting works great, but the grit gets in all sorts of places you don't want it to. Ideally, if you were going to sand blast everything (Aluminum oxide abrasive) you'd want to strip the locomotive down to it's major components--- Pull the engines, generators and trucks. Strip out the electronics/electrical, windows, etc... Sand blast the superstructure down to bare. Disassemble the trucks to protect the traction motors and then start in on the structure. Anyway... Lots of time, work and money. Probably more of everything than they can or want to pay for.

@gotchagoing8843

2 жыл бұрын

@@rearspeaker6364 There is more than one type of 'media' that can be used. 'Sand blasting' is a catch phrase for media blasting, sand just being one type of media.

@Trains-With-Shane

2 жыл бұрын

@@WHJeffB frozen CO2? So basically blasting with dry ice sleet? I've never heard of that before. sounds pretty neat and you're left with zero left over abrasive media once the ice sublimates.

A needle hammer is in my humble opinion good for removing 'heavy' dirt (concrete on steel, for example); But it does also the job on old paint. I rather prefer a wire brush on an angle grinder, because I think it is faster. There are also air-driven Angle grinders available somewhere. Anyway, have a nice weekend!

Train restoration is great. Especially when its done by people who have a dream.

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

more heart and pride too.

@jd3497

2 жыл бұрын

None of this brings in any revenue or gets the track in shape to handle cars, loaded or unloaded.

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

@@jd3497 no, but if the customers visits the railroad, a good image is important.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

JD You are hard core! You can be V.P. of business development. Brian

@daveb5540

2 жыл бұрын

@@eastterminalrailway5975 I agree Your time (and expertise) are best used on the railroad and mechanicals . A repaint job would best be done by those with that skill set, professional or volunteer :).

I wish I had known you were doing this and I had the time to do this, I'd of volunteered to do this Skipper. I am a former Coastie and in my early days on Coast Guard Cutters out of Boot Camp when I was a lowly, Non-Rate Boot, I was on the deck force of my first boat. We called these "Needle Guns" and I "fired" more of this kind of "gun" in the service than one that shoots bullets. I actually loved to use those to get after the rust that always cropped up on a metal boat operating in a saltwater environment. The pneumatic sanders, needle guns and grinders sure do make sure and short work of rust. You may want to knock down more if it, get it down to bare, shiny metal. We used two types of primers. The first was a thin green primer we would quickly put on that we called "Green Death," putting it on as we went along, then later putting on a red colored primer called "Red Lead" prior to putting on the paint. I don't know what either of those primers were. They came from the military version of Lowe's, Menard's or Home Depot. I never found a civilian counterpart to these two part primers. I've been working the past month or so getting a long held lake house at Indian Lake for sale, and with that mission accomplished, I am about to head back to Florida for the winter. About a week or so ago when driving around Lebanon, Ohio, there was a crew spray painting one of the locomotives and an old Pullman car that run on the LM&M passenger line out of Lebanon. They were spray painting them out in the open air on a side rail. That is the way to go. I wish that we could have spray painted the decks, bulkheads and deck fixtures on our Cutters. We did it with brushes and rollers. The work would have really gone much faster and would have done a better job. I love this video. I want to see this loco all nice, pretty and shiny with a fresh coat of paint. Good day, ya'all. SEMPER PARATUS. When you are done with her, I'll be happy to say your work is BRAVO ZULU.

Cool to see the ol' loco going to good owners!

The things I am learning in this on-the-job training!!! Love this channel.

I'm reminded of the guy who saw a farmer holding a hog up in a tree so he could get to the apples. The guy said to the farmer "Isn't that gonna take a long time?". The farmer replied "I guess so, but what's time to a dern hawg?". That needle gun is gonna take forever. I think I would go with a chemical strip, THEN hit the rust with the needle gun. Or an air powered disk or wire wheel. Respirator, eye protection and gloves, for sure. As said elsewhere, I betcha lots of that paint is lead based. Wish I was in the area, I love the songnthose old Cummins sing. I'd surely take a turn at the needle gun.

Wow you guys have come a long way since the beginning until now with progress! I can't wait to see that locomotive painted and customers starting to use your services.

Wow, a Needle Gun! We used those back in the Navy on the submarine during in-port periods to repaint the topside!

Nice work , I love seeing the paint layers fly

You’re doing a great job. Making lots of headway. Keep up the good work. 👍👍👍❤️

It's more fun to watch paint FLY than to watch paint dry!

You guys made me proud you and your son brother .

Had a flashback when you pulled out the needle gun. Used it several times in the Navy.

Gotta give you respect ole man , you’re not afraid of work. You and I both know theirs a better way to do this job. This way seems like it’s going to take more time than needed.

@davidcormier2014

2 жыл бұрын

And no disrespect I know it’s your dream and you’ve only invited us in to watch and inspire. Just I’m from a generation of making the machine work not me

Thanks for keeping us updated 🚂👍

So happy to see you guys this morning! Hope you guys are doing well! Would love to buy some merch!

Great video. Best wishes on the jobs ahead.

First time I've seen a needle scaler, very interesting, thank you

Thank you for sharing. You two are going to be forever with that needle scaper, have someone sandblast it for you. Much fast and I am sure you already know this. Volunteers are waiting to help.

Whenever I have to get paint off of something to weld it, I use an abrasive sponge or wire wheel on an older Hitachi grinder. Works great so far.

Love the new video. Thanks. Rule 108 Civil and courteous behavior is required of all employees at all times. Rule 109 Do not get paint chips in the new Coffee Mug. Great that the loco supplies the air needed to remove the old paint. Really like the nice stone ballast under the loco. You are great Americans showing us the way to get things done. Every day is more progress and the work is impressive.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Buck Thank You soooo much! You are the wind under our wings! Brian

I have a needle scaler that I bought from Horror Freight a while back, and have gotten a lot of good out of it blasting through really rough scale on the frame of my old truck. One thing about them is the fact that if there's any kind of weakness it will find it whether its a crack or a hole. It found a broken spring on my truck hidden under a bunch of rusty scale. I've found that holding back a bit helps rather than holding tight against the metal. Eats right through heavy stuff. Worth the money to keep around. If I do find a good brand at a pawn shop I will snap it up!

Can't wait to see how it turns out.

I am a stone cutter/carver, and I do use some Harbor Freight tools (sanders/angle grinders), but I consider them to be disposable. I do not buy any warranties. I do keep the dead tools around so that I can make "frankentools" when one fails prematurely. I have had brand new HF tools fail almost immediately, and it has been my experience that you never know which component of these cheap tools will go. I include the cost of any HF tool that I will use in a job in each bid. If the tool outlives the job, it is profit, and that extra cost is not significant enough to price me out of the market, even if there was competition for what I do in my market. On the other hand, my air hammers that drive my stone chisels are bullet proof, and I have several that are more than 100 years old and going strong. Several are brands that went out of business during WWI. If I need a new piston for one of those (rare!), I just have a machine shop turn one for me. The end bushings are also replaceable. They are similar to your needle scaler, they just hit a chisel rather than a pack of needles. They also run like your needle scaler, as that they don't have any triggers, and if you want to vary the impact or frequency of the tool, you just put your thumb on the exhaust.

I can vouch for the quality of Harbor Freight needle scalers. They work just fine and I have used them to take off hundreds of square feet of old paint.

you guys do a great job

This is a labor of love 💙

That Air Needle work's great in small use But doing that Engine will Take FOREVER.... You will be there a Year Good Luck can't wait to See it painted and the Rails open...

After buying all the Appropriate PPE, I wonder whether sorting out a solution for a lock-up to stop the weather getting to your precious vintage locomotive. Thanks for all your enthusiasm & giving me my D.D.O.T for the day. 😎👍👌😷

That Ingersoll needler can be rebuilt, and you'd have a great tool again. Just look up the model/parts number from a GRAINGER catalog.

@davidturk6301

2 жыл бұрын

Or McMaster Carr catalog.

I bought one of those Harbor Freight needle scalers to take the rust and scale of the frames of a 30 year old pickup truck. The needle scaler cleaned that frame right up. I just painted the frame with rust killer primer after that. No need to worry about the smoothness of the finish there. :-)

Needle gun!!! Used them on every ship I was on! Memories!!!

Aircraft paint remover may be quicker in this application. My main concern here is rust, on some of the more trouble areas POR15 is a great rust converter/gloss black basecoat made to go over weathered metal, definitely worth considering

Amazing how quiet that engine is, even with both motors running.

I used one of them when i worked on the river we took off the paint on a towboat.and primered it and then painted it we worked from top of the pilot house to the waterline and it turned out good even though we were stripping 8 layers of paint to get to the bare metal

I have that same needle gun I bought it at an estate sale and had my local industrial supply rebuild it for me

A large grinder with a 4" wire wheel will work just fine. Take off the rusty bubbly areas down to the metal and scratch up the painted areas for primer adhesion. It is almost November with temp's dropping. In a few weeks it will be too cold to spray primer and paint. More grinding and less coffee time.

once painted, a cathode on one end of the body and an anode on the opposite end with a 2 or 3 volt trickle charge will prevent oxidation. Yes...it works. There is equipment that is built just for trains.

Recommend wearing a dust mask. Some older paints have lead. Much impressed with your entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic. Wishing you and yours the best of luck. I will keep following.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Walter Thanks, it means alot! Brian

Good job on the paint/rust removal! If I can suggest another method is to use a dewalt wire cup brush attached to an angel grinder. I have found it does a great job in removing paint/rust without damaging the metal.

Back in the 90's when I did volunteer work for a transportation museum and we were repainting boxcars and cabooses and even locomotives we used a "Bead Blaster" that used ground up corn cobs instead of sand to knock off the paint and it worked GREAT... Maybe you guys would consider a similar process on 2021 because it is quicker and leaves the carbody a lot smoother after bead blasting it with the ground up corn cobs... Just make sure that you have your protective suit and other PPE on because the corn cobs will sting...

its safe to say, you could get some volunteers to help you.......just make sure everyone signs a liability release. yes I know it's those dirty words, but he don't need ankle biters either.

And use rust Mort it willkill the rust and turn it into primer you two are doing a great job

In the UK we monitor HAVS exposure (hand, arm vibration syndrome) and I would expect the needle gun is going to be a problem with use over any significant area of the loco.

I Love old railroad equipment and old cars. I like to restore and fix things. If it was my locomotive I would give it a top restoration top to bottom. Make it something to proud of to represent the company.

Your locomotive is going to look stunningly good when you have completed repainting it.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

I think so too!

I was a merchant seaman for 30 yrs and we used needle guns but now they have a laser gun to is so much easier and quicker. Also use to use sand blasters but that makes a mess.

We called it a needle gun and we had it on the sub I was on and we used it when we were doing painting repairs. Great for breaking up rust bubbles. Have you considered sandblasting?

Pin scaler for very heavy rust, Wire air brush to knock off surface rust and heavy flaking paint, Sand blast with heavy to finer grain. Prime as you go to prevent surface from rusting.... Just a lot faster. In some cases a gas welding torch can knock of penetrated rust too! ..... Then again a toothbrush and tube of Colgate seems interesting!

Harbor freight needle scaller works good and.under 40 bucks. I have used one for years on heavy truck repair. Alittle ATF used as air lube and cleaner,they last just fine.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Cecil That's good to know, I might try one. Brian

May I suggest using a wire brush in an L Head Grinder. It will remove the paint down to the metal and will leave the metal shiny and un-pitted all in one step. It will be much faster than the needle scaler, too.

I saw the needle scaler when I worked for a Toyota back in 2011/12 during the Tundra frame rot recall. They would use those to remove the rust so the technician could determine if it required a new frame or just cleaned and coated with protectant.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

I know people that got a better truck out of that! Brian

Yup just ordered some :)

The first and only other time I saw a needle gun in use was on the Dirty Jobs show when they were stripping and repainting the interior of the Mackinaw Bridge. I seem to remember their needles were shorter than yours.

Great Video. I learn something every time. Never seen a needle scaler before. It looks like it would take forever to get all the pain off though. How about sandblasting it or something like that. Once you get the paint removed, you need to paint it pretty soon or it will rust. I ordered one of your coffee mugs last week.

Very cool but I have to agree with the safety tips mentioned below. First thing I was taught in restoration was "you may love that engine but that engine does not love you and will hurt you every chance it gets."

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Great point!

One problem with being a railroad nut, versus a car nut you can't pull your locomotive into the your garage to get out of the weather.

For sure old needle gun get it done but eats up a lot of time . Sandblast it or wet blast it be the fastest way to get it done! Be a good idea to spray or paint on some ospho rust killer! I pot on gallons of the stuff offshore on oil rigs it kills rust and the a good coat of primer and paint she be shining like a diamond! Keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing that Loco pulling some cars or at least some mow equipment.

Needle Gun...pure old school Navy. If I had a nickel for every minute of going to sleep on a ship listening to sailors at work with needle guns, I would be well off indeed. Like the plan for the thick metal. quite right about the thinner sheet metal on the inside of the cab....mgb

My question is: What are you going to use as an engine fueling station? Will you use a short siding for an engine house AND fueling station? Will it hold your ETR office?

Hey you made me laugh. The second you pulled out the needle gun/scaler, I’m like, yup….I know what that is. Then you mentioned the Navy! I was impressed you knew!

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Same, we are "Birds of a feather"! Mk1

Awesome!!!! You need an face filter mask and eye goggles for your protection / safety when removing paint. It's one of OSHA's Work Safety Requirements.

Watching you with the needle gun took me back to my days aboard ship. Your locomotive is a lot smaller than the ship was so it shouldn't take too long.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Mark Thanks for your service! Mk1

@markgruenberg6277

2 жыл бұрын

@@eastterminalrailway5975 You're welcome.

Graham needs to knock off an armored truck and use the money to hire some guys to strip and paint that locomotive. I'm not trying to make the boy into a fugitive, but I don't want him to start disliking the railroad either. As legoscout says, "Train restoration is great....." I say, "Yes, especially when the prep and painting is done by someone else". Great video.

It's been a long time since I bought one but the Harbor Freight needle guns used to be crap. We needed one to finish a job (maybe 25 square feet) and from unboxing to uncontrolled disassembly in my hand was less than a square foot in. Ended up borrowing a IR from the garbage collection company garage. It doesn't look like they even sell the one I bought anymore, so your mileage may vary.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

RT You know what I was talking about by experience, Brian

The needle gun bring back nightmare's from the Navy, oh the drama of painting the ship

Well in the UK we call them a needle gun For descaling rust not paint we use a flapper disc for paint removal or shot blast paint off and we use UPOL GREY ZINC primer for the first undercoat it's a cellulose-based paint

The start of engine repaint. Are you considering sand blasting for rust removal as much as possible before applying primer?

As there's about a 100% chance that's lead paint, I'm thinking you probably want to wear a good respirator too...

@charlessharrardiii7086

2 жыл бұрын

And goggles..

@adamzysk7321

2 жыл бұрын

Good safety minute

@landcruiserin

2 жыл бұрын

I had that same thought.

@csterett

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking lead paint also. You need to have a plan to safely dispose of what you take off. You may end up hiring someone to strip and dispose of the paint. You know, guys dressed in bunny suits. It would be lots of $$ but maybe cheaper than an EPA-OSHA fine (and they'd still force you to hire those people).

@dock_yard1149

2 жыл бұрын

I'd not want lead paint chips/dust/residue getting on my skin! Wear long sleeve denim/etc and good gloves too. And all the other suggestions here. I know you're just demo'ing for us, but please protect yourselves AND the ground(water) too.

Evening Brian and Graham. Nice that loco is moving up and down 😂 Now you’ve stated on the paint job you can’t stop 🤣 Have you got a colour scheme in mind for the ETR 🤔😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Etch primer? What will white viniger on a paper towel do to the rust after it stood for a while wetting it plus minius 2 times with fress white viniger?

The compressed air tank looked a bit rough. Don't you need to get that inspected to make sure it is safe to take the pressure still?

Here in UK the tool you were using for paint removal is called a needle gun . I am looking forward to seeing the locomotive in a new coat of paint.What colour are you going to paint it? 👍😁😁😁😁😁🚂🇬🇧

Looks to be at least 3 paint jobs on 2021. The original yellow I've seen on photos of 2021's sister units in employ of the power company so I'm assuming the green is either a second paint job in that service or the first ADM paint job. Grant's got that needle gun down.

Sandblasting works too

Yes, Safety Glasses and Gloves, preferably Leather.

I think to make this easier, what you need is a pan big enough to hold the engine hood doors and enough exapo-rust to fill it. A lot less needle scaling you'll have to do.

Oh WoW Eastern Terminal Railway. TEAM...........WHAT a neat crew ,Dad &Son .. We are Extremely impressed with your .."We can make it work if......."Attitude.........But please protect your selfs.. wear gloves,respiratory protective dont keep your food and zCoffee near your work....We know you two do great inspiration work for all of your many EASTERN TERMINAL RAILWAY FOLLOWERS.......Question for the ETR SAFTEY DIVISION......IF YOU TWO GET HURT.....?????$$$$...What are the rest of us supposed to do.....With out our Wonderful great EASTERN TERMINAL TRANSLOAD RAILWAY PRIZED GREAT VALUE....TEAMS..?????.....(Please note this comment isn't met to be mean,rude,or hurtful..we are just concerned...because our Loving father was just like you ,He never wore gloves,or respiratory protective ,He had that "It wouldn't hurt me."....He died 20 years too early ,trying to build a Railway too...we all Miss him Dearly... You two Talk and act thick alikeThe Same.... You would have all gotten along.....Well many God Prayers...and May God over run the Eastern Terminal Transloads Facilities Railway with Customers........WoW we can Hardly wait for the Video...."Moving our first Car" We expect the shots of Car Arriving....,Grafm pouring the first "sparking Apple CEDAR " on the 2021 as she Coulpes up to it ..............

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Bradford What a great post! And I take your advice with the love and respect you meant. Thank you! Brian

Steam crews use those needle scalers to remove scale and debris from the inside of the firebox. Very handy tools, indeed.

I use Marvel Mystic Air Tool Oil on my needle scaler.

Hi folks, ever thought about axial wire brushes for the grinder? "Topfbürste" Select one with thick, twisted wires. But first make sure to wear eye protection!!!!! Wires will break and fly away fast. Could work faster and creates a smooth surface without wasting substance of the locomotitive. The needler ist still good in corners and the door bands etc.

I would looking into a media blaster, which would be a lot better and useful on all metals. You already have the Air for power and get better results

When I ran streetcars, part of tieing up for the night was blowing the tank (unless there was antifreeze in the system).

It's called a needle gun. It is also used to knock flux off of welds in the ship building industry.

Brian, you need safety Goggles for that type of work. Much respect as always and I'm glad it is coming along!

@lorenwillis425

2 жыл бұрын

And at least a mask, when you start sanding.

@dock_yard1149

2 жыл бұрын

And don't ignore lead paint dust on bare skin! It can become absorbed into pores. Not healthy!

I saw a recent YT video on using Dry Ice to clean stuff. It was ground up and then used like sand blasting.

Def get some volunteers!!

Handled needle hammers back in the day. Slow process on bigger things, but good on a small scale. Sandblasting works faster in my opinion. Oh, helpful hint: Make sure your coffee mug is out of the way before you start needling. Paint chips don't make a good taste to great coffee... 🤣

Really like your video and thing is if you do go through with the scrapping of rail cars and I purchase some old passenger car for the passenger freight hybrid railroad I want to start. And if any passenger cars I bought that is are around your railroad I may have it shipped off to you to completely strip and scrap the inside of the passenger car.

Hello, had a thought - what about sand blasting? Could be quicker. Just a thought and enjoy your videos

Well, there goes the patina. That loco reminds me of Mater in the movie “Cars”.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

First vote to leave it alone, I vote no. Brian

Ha ha ha the ole needle gun. I went through a year + long yard period on the USS Dixie back in 78-79.

hummmm wd 40 and paint in your coffee yummmy :)

Great video! Do you plan to take off all the spots or all the paint ? Also should you be doing this under cover because of the weather???