>naive and silly as a child >kills people with joy and without hesitation "Like I said, kids are cruel, Jack."

@yourluckynumber7

Жыл бұрын

"AND I'M VERY IN TOUCH WITH MY INNER CHILD."

@solar_savior4118

Жыл бұрын

@@yourluckynumber7 "I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE"

@ethan1441

Жыл бұрын

AND I LOVE MINORS!

@Ungus727

Жыл бұрын

@@solar_savior4118 "GIVE WAR A CHANCE"

@Frogman189

Жыл бұрын

@@Ungus727 THE FUCK?!?

The thumbnail is giving can we pretend that airplanes in the nigth sky are like shooting stars? I could really use a wish right now wish right now wish right now

@WaveShock007

Жыл бұрын

Is it this doesn't happen to anyone else? Because that's my wish right now.

@skyguy713

Жыл бұрын

All I can think of is the 'no fuck off' one

@bombomos

Жыл бұрын

Nah

@SoulFlames.

Жыл бұрын

@bombomos the twilight drawing is literally from that meme bro

@mrosskne

Жыл бұрын

what?

Lol milk of the poppy isn't fantasy opium, that's what real opium is

@SUP3RAMAD3OUS

Жыл бұрын

I was about to say that

@dontyodelsohard2456

Жыл бұрын

Beat me to it.

@aaronhughes9831

Жыл бұрын

​@@SUP3RAMAD3OUS 0

@Kaminkaese

Жыл бұрын

Pssht kids don't know about drugs yet 😆

@rollanddev

Жыл бұрын

Psh, nonsense. Next you're going to tell me "green maple-leaves" are a real-world drug.

Honestly "Wide-eyed innocent enamored with war stories that turns out to be an unhinged psychopath when the actual combat starts" could be an interesting character in a dark fantasy campaign.

@CrusaderCrunch

10 ай бұрын

We accidentally made a npc into one of these. So we where playing a campaign where we where defending a town but the city was nearly killed off completely by the attacking army. Durring the days of body/survivor recovery we found a young abandoned Kenku child who our Zelot barbarian Revenant (She effectively was a pseudo undead being with amnesia and a goal she didn't quite know) saved this child and some feeling flooded into her as she couldn't remember her child or anything about them except that she did have one. This pretty much kicked in her maternal instincts and she carried this Kenku 5 year old in a papouse on her back. The thing is as crazy stuff started to go down this child started to get into its own killing rages like its new mommy, and would shout, "Child Soldier!" because it heard me once yell at the mother in what I thought was in private about how she was making the Kid a child solder. It was definitely hilarious and because of some time warping bull all the players characters got sent to the far future and learned that the kid without its newfound mother became a great warrior that tried to protect villages on the fringe from monsters and would take care of Orphans. It was definitely sad to see many characters that helped or worked with our party or Old characters from other campaigns died of old age without us.

@nathanjackson9560

8 ай бұрын

@@CrusaderCrunch I need to know more about the campain you played, and the story you made.

@DarkAvatar1313

6 ай бұрын

"Wide-eyed innocent enamored with war stories that turns out to be an unhinged psychopath when the actual combat starts" Or the plot to the first half of the Vindland Saga anime...

@DaWoWzer

4 ай бұрын

that's basically how militaries still recruit to this day, tell naïve innocent kids how epic war is and how heroic you'd be fighting in one then turn them into killing machines. Would be interesting to see how the other characters react realizing they basically fantasied war to their party member with their stories and then having to deal with that.

This never got as bad as I was expecting it to... but then again, I went in expecting her to try and have her way with OP, as her horse, so...

@red0421

Жыл бұрын

Honestly? So was I. Wouldn't be the weirdest D&D story I've heard, just sounds like a particularly lively Tuesday on this channel lol

@kowikowi8718

9 ай бұрын

Dude dont spoil, i came Here for horsesex!

@danielgreenwood793

8 ай бұрын

Soon as I heard famous for "horse breeders" and wargs with horse I immediately thought the we were about to get the worst combination of the two.

Milk of the poppy is not "fantasy opium". It's just a fictional name for actual opium. Which is harvested from poppy pods as a milky white fluid.

@gwoody4003

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it sounds like it was boiled down to be more potent and mixed with wine.... Pretty much Laudanum

@tommerker8063

6 ай бұрын

@@gwoody4003 they don't mix it with wine iirc correctly, thats another "drug" called dreamwine. basicaly something to help you sleep.

@feed_me_tasty_videos8326

6 ай бұрын

Okay nerd

@He-who-wakes

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip​@@gwoody4003

@Sir_Fres

6 ай бұрын

@@feed_me_tasty_videos8326 knowing how to create a drug is not nerdy

So they had a rape-y universe and wanted to warn Horse Girl about the dangers of the world but thought that it went too far when she called her dagger "Rape Dagger". Isn't that just a play on a "rape whistle"? And they live in a world inspired by ASOIAF but killing bandits is too cruel? And Horse Girl couldn't act like an alcoholic cos it was triggering to the other members but OP could RP severe withdrawal symptoms? Sounds like they just didn't like her as a person. Period. Like, the way this was written is like "Look at them just sitting there, breathing. What a bxtch."

@v2micca

Жыл бұрын

I know, give the utter disdain dripping from OP's every word in this post, I kept waiting for Horse Girl to do something truly terrible. But, ultimately, she just sound like an inexperienced player with some maturity problems that hadn't yet learned how to mesh her character and story ideas to the concept of a collective story-telling experience. And yeah, it sounds like OP just really didn't like horse girl and likely interpreted all of her actions through that bias.

@APerson-ws4cw

Жыл бұрын

A naive and childish character suddenly going psycho and trying to kill a *fleeing* bandit, it is a wee bit cruel. And the issue wasn't the drinking, it was an rp interaction that made the recovering addict want to avoid the current addict, while she...apparently drinks like that irl? Im not sure where the defence for horse girl comes from ngl

@queercandy1

Жыл бұрын

​@@APerson-ws4cwthe post did say that players out of character who had dealt with substance abuse were being triggered by it, it wasn't just op's recovering addict character.

@antonikuak2740

10 ай бұрын

​@@queercandy1then why the f didn't she say so, when OP started RPing abusing milk of the poppy? She kinda forgot? And frankly, getting angry that someone challenges(not talking about being an asshole, like attacking teammates for no reason or getting them into major trouble out of ooc spite) your character in game is... goddamn childish, and made me think that their "Heavy RP" is just circlejerking how much their characters are great and how much they like each other and get along. Honestly, OP missed a great opportunity to RP with Horse Girl bringing him down with her, but of course, that would actually cause him to RP something slightly challenging.

@1dingerr

10 ай бұрын

​​@@antonikuak2740 yeah this is not role playing. All of the players had their story from beginning to end written in their head, and they hated horse girl because she got in the way. This honestly sounds like the most boring campaign, with some of the most cliche characters. Padme is rigid noble that learns to relax and lives happily ever after, OP is recovering drug addict, chewie's only defining trait is sleeping around? Why is it far fetched for horse girl to hook up with a sleazy bard and drink often, but somehow it's completely unquestioned that padme immediately get engaged to a knight, or that chewie just hooks up with people all the time? This group sounds like a bunch of sensitive and clique-y a holes with no imagination. And they gang up and write a whole manifesto about how she's "playing the game wrong?" Then tell her she needs therapy? What a bunch of losers.

Non serious curse of Strahd actually sounds super fun. There are so many characters that would be so much fun to really ham up. Then just let Strahd go full incel rage and you have a fantastic game

@KamiEneru

Жыл бұрын

The abbot is just a furry

@--enyo--

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what I was thinking. If it’s what your group is into I see absolutely no problem with it.

@itisyerdad

Жыл бұрын

Yea, there was some weirdly judgmental stuff coming from OP in this. Doesn’t excuse the rest but having a fun murder hobo game where you bully strahd isn’t bad. There isn’t one single way to play D&D. I like high RP games with lots of goofs and anachronistic components. Not everyone will like that. Doesn’t mean me and my party are playing things wrong.

@JessalienYT

Жыл бұрын

Hehe he can't kill a level 1 wizard (I chose something random btw and this sounds funny))

@AtlasRathbane4346

Жыл бұрын

Funny to here a Incel talk about Incels 🤣🤣🤣 #clownworld

i was literally about to close out of the video before the crab said "I know this sounds gatekeepy but bear with me" bc of how much of an asshole OP sounds like lol

@InVinoVeratas

3 ай бұрын

He doesn't just sound like one...

Horse girl is creepy, but it was even worse of GM to dig up horse girl's private things and tell it to the group so they could make fun of it at the end after she finally decided to take care of her own mental health after GM insisted she go to therapy. People like GM are exactly why people dont want to seek help.

@MeepChangeling

Жыл бұрын

Untrue. I don't want to seek professional help because... What do they do, exactly? Talk. Talk's cheep. They have no legal authority to provide real assistance. If I could solve my problems myself, I wouldn't *need* help, now would I?

@viennasavage9110

Жыл бұрын

@@MeepChangeling Thats also true. But I think another reason people don't seek help is out of fear of being judged instead.

@KingSizeUGP

Жыл бұрын

@@MeepChangeling Talking has many faces. It can both drive people to and save people from suicide; Of course, it's not always the solution, but it does help in many circumstances. Also, what do you consider to be "real assistance"?

@MinatheRaichu

Жыл бұрын

@@MeepChangeling The talking you do in therapy is supposed to be about finding what triggers your mental health to go into a downwards spiral, teaching you to recognize what you do when you spiral and trying to find ways to stop yourself from escalating the unhealthy behaviors. It's about finding positive coping mechanisms. Granted, if you have a relationship where you can hear from someone you trust what patterns they notice in you, you can do that instead. But it's not just talk. It's basically reprogramming your panic responses so that they don't hurt you or the ones around you. It's not just cheap talk.

@littlemoth4956

Жыл бұрын

@@MeepChangeling That's stupid.

"They're kind, decent people who treat women more or less fairly" Bruh, that doesn't make them "a counter", that's just the Dornish

@Sophia-vk5bq

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I mean a counter would be a matriarchal society that tried to interfere and get women into positions of power in the other society or countered them in more forceful ways.

@k.v.7681

Жыл бұрын

So-so. Dorne is better for noblewomen inheritance, and social mobility for bastards, but there are still aspects that are not so fun for women. The Martells tend to treat women better, but the differences between Dorne and the rest of Westeros are I think exagerated, especially when you conside that there are quite a few cultures mixing in Dorne. Sort of like how Amina of Zaria ruled a muslim city-state in the real world, or how Anne de Bretagne inherited her duchy in what wasn't yet part of France, remaining sole head of the place until her death (in spite of marrying the king of France) at which point her second son took over (while the first became king of France after the father's death). Those places had women in power, but that doesn't mean they were "equal".

@thaloblue

Жыл бұрын

The misogyny in GOT repels me like garlic and wood to a vampire.

@viniciussardenberg706

Жыл бұрын

@@thaloblue that is half because the tone of the story is meant to be Edgy, dark and Tragic i wouldn't even call it historical because really, westeros does give any real world country a run for its money in terms of how bad any particular aspect can get, and half because GRR is a collage hipster with a fetish list longer than the US tax code he wanted to write into the books.

@bartudundar3193

Жыл бұрын

@@thaloblue oh no this MEDIEVAL FANTASY SOCIETY isn't a total utopia of acceptance and inclusivity! How could this possibly be ? surely women who aren't as combat capable as men would hold equal position. Stupidity repels me like sunlight to a vampire.

I don’t understand why people at the table were fine with op rping substance abuse but then they suddenly get triggered when a different character rps substance abuse. If you’re going to allow rping topics like that then you can’t just decide ‘no this person I don’t like isn’t allowed to rp this even though I am’ Edit: and I don’t understand why Op was annoyed about horse girl’s comment about him and the blacksmith. Op stated multiple times that horse girl’s character is meant to be naive, and not understanding the consequences of the blacksmith being outed sounds exactly in character. And I also don’t really blame her being jealous of other people in the group because it’s very obvious she was the least liked in the group

@watermaster5154

Жыл бұрын

My guess is he was doing a respectable representation of what drinking problems look like while she was just knocking them back? I have no clue though, best I have 😂

@S-Possum

Жыл бұрын

I want to think that it`s because OP went through the recovery from it, and doing it respectfully. While Horse Girl was still abusing it and using it after OP snap at the character after what she was saying/doing.

@--enyo--

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is another one of those stories I’d really like to have all sides of the story for. I’m not saying Horse Girl is a saint or actually a good player or that nothing was her fault. BUT I really feel the OP just had something against her from the start. Also they seem pretty gatekeeper-ish.

@feydrautha012

Жыл бұрын

@@--enyo-- Agreed. It felt like there were in-group/out-group dynamics from the start. It also REALLY sounded like the game was framed as 'you're allowed to explore sexuality here' but then followed by kink-shaming. There also seems to be some economic privilege showing with the 'terrible background' of the person who made 'unwise' economic decisions to move out of their parents' home. Does Crit Crab et al fail to realize that not all of us come from bourgeois/wealthy households, we have to pay our way through rent & board, college, etc, as we aren't guaranteed any sort of parent-subsidized lifestyle?

@blazaybla22

3 ай бұрын

@@feydrautha012Yeah the whole “she’s irresponsible because she moved out of her parents’ house” just made me go “oh hell naw man fk this guy” right from the beginning 😂 I mean I don’t think there’s anything wrong with living with your parents past high school but I honestly think this is the first time I’ve seen someone have a superiority complex about it

Killing downed bandits and shooting them when they run is par for the course. I don't understand why that was such a problem.

@0eroTheHammerSlayer

Жыл бұрын

Because OP didn't like horse girl and that's the only reason why. 90% of what she did was par for the course but gatekeeping OP didn't like her form of play.

@averagejoe455

Жыл бұрын

@@0eroTheHammerSlayer I noticed that. And even the horse stuff didn't seem as bad as they made it out to be.

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

Didn't quite like this one. Unpopular opinion, I rather feel sorry for her, than feel contempt. I genuinely believe that she just wanted to make things fun, but had mental health issues that haven't surfaced. What she did were mistakes, not from being a horrible person, but sick and just seeking to make things interesting in a way the others thought was unconventional. She probably just didn't understand, or felt differently when it came to some things, wasn't truly aware of what was wrong. I don't know. I just felt bad for her. I don't think she deserved to be shat on for that. And I won't apologize for having a different perspective.

@averagejoe455

Жыл бұрын

@@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe I get you. It seemed like she was just doing more minor annoying things that OP and the group just went off on. Like, why was the corny speeches she gave so disdained? Why would another character drinking off on their own effect what your own character is doing?

@tarvoc746

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if you're a bandit in Westeros, you attack a group of mercs and nobles and you fail... it means you die. It really is that simple and there are a lot of examples for this in the books. Even Brienne kills bandits without hesitation, and she's one of the most heroic and virtuous characters in the books. This sounds like Horse Girl was going more for an Arya-esque character, and for a character like that, it makes perfect sense to slaughter bandits gleefully and indiscriminately.

So rape, death and pillaging is ok with them but alcoholism is crossing the line? Lol, makes sense

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I think it had to do with a sudden change in character that resembled the player's actual drinking problem. And the other stuff sounded like it was built into the already dark setting.

@KrasseOdaVonBayern

Жыл бұрын

OP puts a trigger warning for all that shit, but it’s his party doing it and not horse girl. Fucking bizarre.

@injetavel279

Жыл бұрын

@@KrasseOdaVonBayern That's so true lol, even tho horse girl is kinda crazy the whole group sounds like a nightmare tbh.

@LordDaret

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@KrasseOdaVonBayernimagine session zero “Ok, so we are going to be playing a GoT campaign. This will be a brutal, dark reality where there is murder, rape pillaging, torture, addictions… you must be ready for anything to happen… except for drinking. As we all know, drinking is a sin and we can’t have that in our campaign.

To be honest, sometimes I wonder. Depsite how cool it can be to read about a problem player being kicked out, just how true these are? How much actually happened, how much was exaggerated or foggy due to memory? There have been cases where Critcrab had to make a follow-up because the OP of one post completely lied about their "murder hobo" party, and I doubt he's the only DND Reddit YT person whos had to do that. How many are just the OPs being unnecessarily cruel to a player who doesn't understand much about the game?

@Macrochenia

Жыл бұрын

I've wondered this for a while. And how many of these stories are "I'm upset with this player/GM/group and going to totally trash their reputation online! That will show them!"

@RoosSkywalker

Жыл бұрын

@@Macrochenia They always anonimize the people in their posts, so that kite doesn't fly. You cannot slander or ruin someone's reputation when you keep them anonymous.

@yvaskhmir

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it's generally the case that the majority of the group is doing their thing and there's some minority (most of the time one person) that behaves in a way that is unacceptable. It's far more plausible when OP supposedly shares their opinion of the situation with the rest of the group (except [problem person]). And it's definitely possible that some of the stories aren't true, because that's just how the world works, but as long as they share a positive message or have good takeaways, I don't think it's an issue. And besides - for example I don't need the greater message, because I'm already assertive and cautious, but I just somehow enjoy listening to horror stories, especially while eating or waking up. And for that purpose - I don't need the stories to be true, especially since The Crab Lord doesn't have the intention of lying (I think).

@Macrochenia

Жыл бұрын

@@RoosSkywalker Anonymous or not, they can still get validation from looking at how their story is getting told on a fairly well known KZread channel and the comments section is buzzing with how awful the person the story centers around was. I'm not saying every story is that way, but I do wonder how many of the stories here are.

@peacefultengu6384

Жыл бұрын

Most of them are probably fake or highly exaggerated, CritCrab ones seem fairly black-and-white, so hard to tell considering how crazy the world is (For example, while making their villains suddenly out themselves as a pedo is convenient, unfortunately those people do exist, so it's not out of question), but, outside of this channel, there are examples of it being just "This player was slightly annoying, so I chose to never talk to him about it and kill his character in a dubiously canon post-session encounter, that sure showed him not to mess with almighty me!".

OP literally admits the issue he has with horse girl is that she was playing soap opera and he wanted to politic

@zachscarbrough2727

Жыл бұрын

Unless you're Game of Thrones, this will never mix well.

@OogieTheMad

Жыл бұрын

@@zachscarbrough2727 I am working hard to blend in with humans, why would you call me a series title, rood. Years of har4d work scrubbed

@Eye_Of_Odin978

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it sounds like *everyone* wanted to do a fantasy-based political drama, not a Soap Opera. Padme was trying to politic her way into a better position, and everybody else had political aspirations as well, seemingly. Idk why everybody in this comment section is just bending over backwards to side with Horse Girl when I've seen you all be WAYY less charitable with other "creepy, fetish-obsessed players" Ohhhhh, I forgot, those players are *dudes.* Sorry, I forgot that rampant misandry and double-standards against men is just something I have to tolerate in society, now. That's the only reason OP is catching so much crap here but anytime the "horror story" is about a creepy GUY, you all put on your white armor and start calling yourself "Sir Knight" to ride out and protect "m'lady" Well, thanks for showing everybody just how sexist and anti-male you are lmao. Really helps weed you out.

@Specialmindz

Жыл бұрын

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 It has nothing to do with gender. The fanfiction thing completely destroys OP's credibility. It wasn't meant to be shared, but he and the girls stole it and shamed her for it on the internet right after she emailed them about seeking help for her mental issues. It takes a terrible group of people to do something like that. The whole post is most likely bullshit. The rape daggers never became a problem (it was just a funny name and was never brought up again in the post), OP's entire backstory and playthrough revolved around substance abuse (yet everyone got upset only when Horsegirl started drinking), they brought up her real-life home/financial situation (none of our business and not important, it was just there so Horsegirl would know they were talking about her if she ever came across the post), and they got upset when she tried to cheer people up or tried to start a relationship (one of the other girls got fucking pregnant, are you kidding me?). Horsegirl was 100% being bullied. I doubt she was as "dramatic" as OP described and I'm willing to bet she told maybe two horse jokes that the group intentionally took seriously because they saw it as a fresh opportunity to bag on her. They had money and she didn't and they looked down on her for that. I lost count of how many times OP claimed she was jealous of everyone. That's such an egotistical and arrogant thing to say in the first place. Who the hell would be jealous of a bunch of real-life "recovering" substance abusers? He said everyone except Horsegirl had that issue, so it sounds like he and his ex-junkie friends (who probably leech off their parents, because drugs/alcohol are expensive to buy on a regular basis, but OP claims they're financially stable) didn't see her as "one of them" and decided to badmouth her when she left in the middle of the game. What garbage human beings. I hope she finds better/actual friends in the future.

@treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Жыл бұрын

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Just because situations exist where a woman is in the right, that doesn't make people anti-male... Plus, we don't know if it was actually communicated to her that the goal of the game was to be a political drama. I get the point you're trying to get across, but it just seems like you're desperate for a story about a creepy woman because you hate the idea of people calling out men. Ironically, in your attempt to call people anti-male, you came off as anti-female.

i honestly expected this story to be way worse, especially with the way OP kept the tension up the whole time. i'm gonna agree with other people in the comments here and say it seriously felt like the whole party just didn't like her as a person and so they disliked everything her character did too. the majority of what her character did would be messed up in a normal D&D setting yes, but in a setting inspired by ASOIAF not a lot of what she said or did seemed wrong. i feel like that's something some people are forgetting; game of thrones is FULL of SA, substance abuse, discrimination, sex-related fuckery, etc etc. if you don't like those themes that's fine, but then why are you playing an ASOIAF-inspired game?

@GreenSabre187

Жыл бұрын

i feel like that's something some people are forgetting; game of thrones is FULL of SA, substance abuse, discrimination, sex-related fuckery, etc etc. if you don't like those themes that's fine, but then why are you playing an ASOIAF-inspired game? exactly, a bunch of normies playing ASOIAF who are getting a meltdown over a evil PC. Some things you cannot play with snowflakes. So they should stay to the game they actually like before the end up accusing people to be crazy persons because of fiction. Its an exhausting topic.

@bluebay1031

Жыл бұрын

@@GreenSabre187 I don’t think thats an excuse. Evil aligned PCs should still be discussed, as no matter the setting if you’re the only neutral evil in a party of chaotic goods, you’re gonna either be the only one having a good time, or the on,y one *not* having a good time. Yes terrible characters are common for the setting, but this is still first and foremost a ROLEPLAY GAME. Boundaries and team harmony are just as necessary as they would be in a fluffy fairy realm. I don’t think it’s all on horse girl, but if you’re the only one playing an Evil PC, or honestly any PC significantly different in alignment from the rest of your party, conflict is to be expected. There’s also plenty of good in ASOIAF. Whooole lotta bad, especially in Westeros, but plenty of good, or at least neutral, as well. So it’s not out of left field that they’d want to have a group that aligns more with Starks or the Martells (pre-later seasons) or even Tyrells, rather than Lannisters or Boltons. The latter isn’t bad, but you can’t expect a Lannister in a party of Starks to go well.

@sapare7838

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, idk this channel, just ended up here, but I agree. Its nice to see the comments not totally one way slanted. The whole retelling was weird. Horse Girl probably was a bit immature but the rest of the party was not half as complex as OP likes to think. The fact that he admits they were the ones making "body humour" and that half the players seemed to be banging someone throughout the campaign, but then horse girl joins in on their jokes and being she got shunted on everything she does she goes to joke about the only character she has(by sounds of it) and they all go "oh, how dare you.". Even the ending, digging up her fanfics and making some big claims over it when the story/campaign literally started with talks about sexual misconducts and is based on a setting that is heavily drenched in such tones.(and let us not lie to ourselves about how the "sex sells" was a big part of the shows original success) Hypocrites, honestly. They wanted their dark fantasy story about backstabbing and hooking up but turn on a dime and become judging harpies.

@1dingerr

10 ай бұрын

Dude I was thinking this the entire time I was listening to this story. All of the theme's that OP listed as "content warnings" are literally core themes of ASOIAF. She didn't really do anything wrong besides being a little weird and awkward - something 90% of DnD players are. This definitely sounds like OP and the group just didn't like the girl and were finding any reason to gaslight her into thinking she was being wildly inappropriate. On top of this, everything the other characters did was boring. This campaign sounded boring. If anything, horse girl was at least a wild card to keep things interesting lol. OPs group sounds like a bunch of pearl clenching gatekeepers.

I have never read ASOIAF or watched anything Game of Thrones related, so I know next to nothing about the lore. When you read that Horse Girl wanted to be a "Skinchanger," I assumed that was the same thing as a shapeshifter, and I was completely expecting her to bang her horse, become impregnated, and then have its baby. I'm...relieved that that was not the case. 😰 Edit: I expected her to bang her horse AS A HORSE. I didn't mean that she had to bang her horse as a human in order to transform into a horse, just that she loved horses so much she wanted to be one, mate with one, create one... but that's not what happened, so chill.

@Elvalley

Жыл бұрын

She may still want to be her horse while impregnating a mare though, which is... Peculiar still. But yeah, by regular standards not nearly as bad as your own assumption!

@QueenofBrambles

Жыл бұрын

Knowing the ASoIaF lore, I was expecting her to take mental control of her horse's body and then SA another character.

@findout2655

Жыл бұрын

@@QueenofBrambles THIS I'd quit the video right there if it happened lmao

@Fearienify

Жыл бұрын

Bruh since when do shapeshifters require geting knocked up Get yo mind out the gutter gd ☠️

@westernbody

7 ай бұрын

My lord. Thankfully it did not go that way😅

I've played with so many problematic players that horse girl feels a bit tame compared to others. Annoying, sure, but she didn't try to force herself on any of the other PCs (or players). She threw fits but that's common in so many games. She had a weird horse obsession. She never assaulted anyone with her "R" Daggers. Was there more in the background that wasn't shared because, as it was, horse girl doesn't sound nearly as bad as others out there who don't get written about. Mind, I wouldn't want her in my group. My patience for players like this has been all but exhausted.

Padme focused on taking the colt would be theft, meanwhile I'm just thinking, "Sure, let's sit around in this quick moving military/political drama for about a year while we let a horse gestate. I'm sure our rivals can't raise armies and march them up and down the continent while we wait around for the miracle of life."

@selflesswarrior

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure if we explain the situation, and ask REALLY nicely, they’ll understand and put a pause on the war until we’re done, I mean, you said it yourself, it’s the miracle of life!

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Padme was also pregnant in this story, so I guess that must not be an issue in this game?

@redholm

Жыл бұрын

@@rynowatcher True. She would just have to retire the character more or less.

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@redholm I mean, this is one of the things that makes me think horsegirl is not THAT bad. Post of the things OP complains about Padme does too and they had no problem working Padme's romance and pregnancy in while it was an issue with another player doing basically the same thing. Seems they just did not like her, for whatever reason, on a personal level.

@redholm

Жыл бұрын

@@rynowatcher Yea. That's what it seems like at least. Honestly. It's one of those times I wish the crab man would vet the story before picking it. Because many things in the story just seems off. Like the being in love with the OP while treating every edgy male character the same.

Honestly......... this one doesn't seem that bad..... she seems just super awkward and the group was probably full of awkwards who didnt talk with her about it in a actual meaningful way.... also a non serious curse of strad sounds amazing. I'm glad she's getting the help she wants though.

@Pixy494

Жыл бұрын

ikr? I felt like they didn't want to put on the work of integrating a new (very fresh) player. Like, tbh she seemed like she was just a kid with issues but actual good intentions.

@pl2578

Жыл бұрын

The exposition about how she resented everyone because of rent money or something seemed particularly one-sided and probably untrue. They also wanted to buy her a weapon to defend herself when she pulled a sword out on a noble in the very beginning? OP cites her giving a friendship speech as one of the reasons she had to leave. It all comes off very slanted. Horse girl probably had issues OP and co didn't want to deal with, which is understandable, but in that case you pull that player and have a conversation. OP went out of his way to make her seem like the villain, which I find kind of icky.

@AnimatorBlake

Жыл бұрын

They invited a friend to a game of make believe and didn't expect to meet with a lot of baggage (which they are doing fantasy stuff to escape). All they wanted was to keep it that way, and they didn't do anything grossly offensive. Clearly, they are not horse girl's established support system and it is difficult and scary to play that role. Especially when you are just trying to have fun and didn't know that you'd be signing up for all of that.

@221Prohunter

Жыл бұрын

@@AnimatorBlake The initial group of friends are the ones that brought half the baggage, though. This “horse girl” brings up drinking a bunch of alcohol and the rest of them turn it into a self-victimization session because they were all substance abusers. Then they proceed to blame the person who didn’t take part in substance abuse for that bringing up bad memories? They sound absolutely horrendous to be around, and hearing this story from the OP’s perspective means it’s already biased so it’s hardly out of line to expect it’s worse than it sounds here. After listening to this I was already mostly on the horse girl’s side and I normally can’t stand that archetype.

@jeremymullens7167

Жыл бұрын

Seems like they didn’t do a good job on setting expectations. Not sure how much they redirected her behavior. Could be a weak DM didn’t shut down her interrupting but seems they were trying to just chill and horse girl wanted to murder hobo and focus on drama and hooking up.

Its almost strange op is shocked that horse girl plays a childish warrior. So like I actually like the weird characterization of horse girls dnd ocs. Because of course a sheltered person who’s grown up ideas of on blood and glory, would show no qualms with murder and such. So in a dnd world where rape and murder is as inconsequential as star bucks pumpkin spice. It’s fair for a character like horse girls, to be a murder hobo also the alcoholism being triggering with the party is more understandable if the rest of the group might have no qualms with “fantasy opiod addiction “ and how horse girl decided to chose alcoholism seems more like a temper tantrum. In role play respectively. But op also implied several times in this video that he tried to have her respect their boundaries. Overall everyone really seems kinda shitty tbh.

@GreenSabre187

Жыл бұрын

totally xD that plus a game in game of thrones. ofc... GoT is way too brutal and realistic for most people.

Gotta say; This more of a lunch break rant than a horror story. Horse girl doesn’t sound absolutely horrible like OP keeps trying to frame, Just a bit much.

@sere971

Жыл бұрын

I'd play with horse girl before I'd play with anyone in that group tbh, even if none of them sound all that pleasant. Everything horse girl did wrong seems pretty standard-- there are issues in campaigns and with players all the time, and none of that seemed too overwhelming to work past. Being a complete prick to someone in RP because you don't like them IRL and bringing someone's intimate secrets up to kink shame them on the other hand... Fuck that behavior completely.

@The_B_Button

Жыл бұрын

@@sere971 Rape fantasies are pretty creepy in general though (namely because it's a serious, distressing and triggering subject), and this girl was bringing her fantasies into a table where people were very clearly uncomfortable with it. She was hinted several times to change her character, yet she did nothing.

@thaloblue

Жыл бұрын

Are you kidding? Are you actually joking?? Rape fantasies via horse.

@thaloblue

Жыл бұрын

@@sere971 i am so baffled.

@jackoleen1236

Жыл бұрын

@@sere971 it is not about kink shaming, forcing people that have made it clear that they don't like it to listen to you talking about rape isn't cool, no matter the context

"They ran Curse of Strahd as a joke campaign." - To be fair, that sounds potentially hilarious and fun.

@hdnfbp

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, i did something in that vein for my first time GMing, really damn fun, sheer insanity from all sides

@ZundelArt

Жыл бұрын

Though the same thing

@heltaku9397

Жыл бұрын

Well we didn't MEAN to play it as a joke, but my group of all first-timer players were definitely hilarious.

@adriannaranjo4397

Жыл бұрын

Strahd is the biggest simp in the multiverse

@warlordwinters

Жыл бұрын

Play it like a Scooby Doo episode

This feels like she wasn't as bad as she was made out to be. And while her fan fiction and stuff is weird it really had nothing to do with anything so it feels really dickish to dig it up and shame her for it for no real reason. Why in the world did your group even do that? What was the point? It feels like a thing of "we don't like this person so let's put something else there to make them look worse even if it is irrelevant"

@thamachoswedishpotat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, most of the things that it's described that horse girl did aren't even that bad, and often are kinda fun. Seeing your horse as royalty, latching on to other npc's and the violent tendencies all just sound like ways to flesh out the character rather than something bad. A lot of OP's text just comes off as slightly elitistic, like she's not doing it the correct way because she's not doing it the way they would have done it.

@GreenSabre187

Жыл бұрын

@@thamachoswedishpotat we talk about roleplay at least yes! THATS IMPORTANT! xD im joking. I dont see how these people ever have fun, especially in a griddy realistic setting like GoT, sounds like non stop crying around and snowflakery.

Honestly, considering her non-con fantasies it makes a lot of sense in retrospect why she would make an "innocent" wooby character for ASOIAF campaign, as well as her harping on about the horse dreams, her obsessing over the sleazy pickup artist bard, etc. She was probably hoping dm would rp her getting non-conned by the bard, horse and side characters. Got mad at Padme because she needed her character to be insta-loved Mary Sue style. She probably also had an issue with her and the other female PCs because they were getting their "fantasies" but she wasn't getting hers. Ooc she just seems to be a fire starter and attention seeker.

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

I mean, you bring up a good point that Padme was getting what she wanted out of it with the relationship with a knight and a pregnancy while horsegirl got the npc she was after making fun of her through dm fiat. Seemed like pademe was kind of doing the same thing but they let her because she was better liked personally. I also recall all the sexual fantasies were in horsegirl's private fiction that op "found" after she left, so she did not bring that into the game. That was just kink shaming; not my cup of tea, but The Song of Ice and Fire deals with a lot of sexual violence, genital mutilation, forced marriages, forced prostitution, and torture. I do not know how you can be OK with the stuff in the books/show but throw shade on someone for basically doing the same thing... she did not even cut one Greyjoy. Also, not sure if horsegirl presented anything she wrote because op just says they found her writing after she left, so may have never intended for that to be public. Not entirely sure based on the story?

@kaylawoodbury2308

Жыл бұрын

@@rynowatcher You don't go on ERP sights, do you?

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@kaylawoodbury2308 not my cup of tea, so no context for how folks do that. This is an in person game, I believe, so that might be a factor. I do not think anyone ERP'ed; Padme is described as having a romance and getting pregnant, so they might have faded to black? Might have happened behind the scenes? Not really clear on that.

@nekomancer47

Жыл бұрын

Dare I ask wtf “wooby” means?

@kaylawoodbury2308

Жыл бұрын

@@nekomancer47 Wooby is actually not an inherently adult term so don't be frightened. It's just a term for a character that's naive, innocent, pathetic and/lor tragic but in a way meant to be viewed as cute and endearing. However when it is used in an adult fashion it's usually to make the character predator/ non-con (non consensual ie. Grape without the G) bait or "corruptible". Considering her non-con fantasies and this campaign being based on a property that's typically full of extreme non-con situations, it's obvious to me at least that she made her character like that in the hopes of fulfilling those fantasies.

Anyone else having a difficult time following what's even going on in this story?

@bubster8670

Жыл бұрын

Im so lost, and im high as hell and thats not helping in the slightest

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

no.

@HanDaimond

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and the multiple ads don’t help at all.

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

@@bubster8670 What have you been taking m8?

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

@@HanDaimond AdBlock m8.

"It's what my character would do" -Everyone in the first two books of Ice and Fire

@The_pitbull536

Жыл бұрын

How do you get more then two books about two songwriters ice and fire -some who has never read a song of ice and fire book

Lost me at when the DM started back room planning to break Horse Girl's heart with the whole infobroker. Looks like throughout the entire story no one at the table liked them. They had Padme being successful and getting pregnant. They had Chewie getting shacked up in every possible moment. Then OP doing his whole cringey tragic story and being doped on drug abuse. Not counting that the character drinks and everyone gets uncomfortable and the DM doxxing her private life. Horse Girl couldn't get a W once, if she was that bad at RPing, you help, not demoralize. Final note, how is two horses breeding more table woke then all the other trigger warnings in this entire campaign? The entire video I thought it was something worse involving animals or did I miss something?

@littlemoth4956

Жыл бұрын

"she was that bad at RPing" I'm pretty sure being bad and being a creep are two different things.

@rebeccahicks2392

Жыл бұрын

yeah, OP seemed to be giving hints that it was headed to bestiality, but no, she just talked about the horse impregnating a mare. Which is normal for animals.

@lawless7512

7 ай бұрын

​​@@littlemoth4956 She wasn't being that creepy though, the r@pe dagger for exmaple. We have a whistle irl that dagger is just to cut someone if they touch you. It didn't seem to have any beastiality despite the warning saying it would instead it was a horse that imprgeant a mare which btw is a horse. And also drinking is a problem in the RP sense despite this being based off a song of ice and fire, WHCIH has drinking all the time- that's shameful for any party to only call one person out when the other character, for example chiew is sleeping with every NPC. Also doxxing a player isn't right now matter the case unless they are pedos. And digging up your "friends" kinks in a public place is wrong

@LordDaret

6 ай бұрын

Fun fact: I checked the original Reddit post AND THEY DELETED THE STORY!! I think they got more criticism than expected as time went on and removed it to cut off the complaints. The actual Reddit post has minimal criticism on it, but I think they saw the comments section of these videos and went “uh oh, I may have over done it.”

@TheAtomicMango

6 ай бұрын

@@LordDaret hope OP apologizes to that girl after all these years. this is a reverse horror story, and i wish critcrab would've recognized that before publishing this video.

I was confused when they said she was part of a murderhobo group and then started RPing a circus act

@hdnfbp

Жыл бұрын

Anime syndrome? Untrustworthy OP?

@Rossweise

Жыл бұрын

@@hdnfbp Truth probably lies somewhere between those two... OP almost feels like they exaggerate at points, due to the whole "in hindsight" effect of looking back at past atitudes of someone who you grew to dislike... It colors everything...

This is one of those posts that show how much OP's lack self-awareness: No one liked horse girl OOC so it tarnished any RP moment she had in-game. Her wanting to date him is all complete conjecture on his part.

@ZundelArt

Жыл бұрын

It is a little funny how OP himself mentions "they all know IC talk is not real, just part of the fun" and then begins to make assumptions about girls feelings towards him, since she acts a certain way IC towards him

@Anonymous-bi5pv

Жыл бұрын

men moment

@theawkwardpotato264

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-bi5pv Misandrist Moment

@Riftweaver1981

Жыл бұрын

to be fair, when her 'rp moments' were dubbing a dagger 'rape dagger', talking about her horse getting freaky with other horses... it doesnt give her much credibility

@DaddyHensei

Жыл бұрын

@@Riftweaver1981 actually that’s pretty in character for game of thrones. So she was acting to say the least in character for that world.

If people in the party allegedly had past substance abuse/addiction issues they would have been "triggered" much earlier by homeboy's character either going into detail about his abusing the milk of the poppy or during those times he had went without for a long enough time frame that he goes into detail about the character going into full blown opiate withdrawal.

@urielseptim910

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it was about the alcohol abuse itself, but Horse Girl's ignorance of "What alcohol abuse?"

@karkajouautomaton4882

Жыл бұрын

Such triggers should also have been covered in session zero.

@Temperans

Жыл бұрын

@@urielseptim910 some people really can hold their alcohol and their body is pretty good at metabolising it. So it wouldn't surprise me if that type of person questioned it being abuse. People typically consider abuse when it becomes unhealthy, not when it become a lot.

@whatever3543

Жыл бұрын

@@Temperans Yeah I actually experienced this recently. I drink maybe once or twice a month socially but for some reason can keep pace with hardened alcoholics. At a bachelor party this guy I was drinking with was empathizing with me about how hard it is being an alcoholic. I tried to tell him I'm just an occasional social drinker but he wasn't having it. He said something like, "No bro, I'm seriously an alcoholic. I drink every single day and this weekend I've watched you drink more than me. I can tell you have a problem, I understand if you're not ready to admit that but if you ever want to talk about it give me a call." It was both touching and hilarious because I drink less often than most of the people who were there, I just don't get drunk very easy.

Okay, but running CoS as a joke campaign is absurdly fun. This will be my second time doing it this October, and it was a blast last time playing colorful characters in a dark world. This time around I’ll basically be playing Puri Puri Prisoner in dnd, and my character is one of the most restrained in the party lol

IMO biggest red flag was wanting to roleplay a Game of Thrones political intrigue campaign. OP said they got over the soap opera stuff and back to the game after HorseGirl left, but GOT IS an overrated soap opera. Character wants to be gay but is afraid of coming out, politician character falls in love with and gets knocked up by someone before there's any actual adventuring, the story full of bastard sons and cheating. It's just a soap opera. Calling sus on this one.

I thought this story was going to take a sharp turn and it never did. It sounds like this girl tried to play an immature child-like character and just is not good at roleplaying, thus explaining the abrupt changes in her character's personality. It sounds like she just wasn't a good fit for this group and there may have been animosity that the group brought into their personal thoughts from the in-character interactions. Either that or a lot of details about OOC interactions were left out. From what I could gather basically all the stuff this group didn't like about her was in character or otherwise related to the way she played the character. Sometimes people play annoying characters, that's just the nature of the game. Nothing really seemed like a red flag, it seemed like the other players either tiptoed too much around her with their IC interactions or they didn't know how to deal with a PC acting like that. I also think it's pretty suspect to basically stalk the girl and bring up her fictional writing about a kink she has and blasting her for it - she did not bring that into the game, it was not relevant, and that was wrong of OP to do. She definitely sounded like she needed therapy though and I'm glad she sought it. As for the OP's reaction for her just silently leaving the group without addressing the concerns, for some people, especially those dealing with mental issues, the best they can muster is to just cut their losses and now out gracefully. TLDR: Sounds like girl was just not very good at RP and group either tiptoed around her, didn't know how to handle it, or we are missing crucial information and in the end it was just a player that was a bad fit for the group. Also OP dug unrelated fictional writing by the girl to smear her at the end.

@ShinFahima

Жыл бұрын

These were my same feelings on the situation.

@MarcyStevonshy

Жыл бұрын

Glad someone else said it! The final twist being that she makes bad jokes about her horse having sex and taking the baby colt was supposed to be the cherry on top somehow? From the title and the dramatic way they called something “foreshadowing” I thought she would be forcing her horse on another or worse SHE FORCES HERSELF on the horse, but it just led up to a stupid conversation that turned the tides somehow? And yeah, the GM digging through her old stuff is weird and the group thinking she’s insane is also weird, given they now know she’s going to therapy VERY LIKELY FOR THOSE REASONS. Horse girl wasn’t a good fit in the group, but OP seemed to emphasize the “weird horse stuff” over the actually bad stuff, like her misogynistic actions (ignoring and speaking over the other women, downright hating them, etc.)

@viennasavage9110

Жыл бұрын

yeah Horse girl is super creepy, but it was even worse of GM to dig up horse girl's private things and tell it to the group so they could make fun of it at the end after she finally decided to take care of her own mental health after GM insisted she go to therapy. People like GM are exactly why people dont want to seek help.

@sarcosatch1860

Жыл бұрын

Oh good, someone else thinks this too. She comes across as annoying, overbearing and maybe socially inept, but hardly a horror story. And what were those content warnings even for? Uncomfortable shades of beastiality? What? Was it because she could worg into her horse…? Because just talking about a horse mating with another horse isn’t beastiality, it’s nature. Might be a bit uncomfortable, I guess. I didn’t quite get what the joke was though, did she say her horse would get horny from the sexual banter between the NPC’s and the PC’s? Cringe, I guess. Still, THAT was the straw?

@animaanimus8011

Жыл бұрын

I have never played a role playing game, so maybe I missed something. But I am a mental health therapist and all I heard in his description was a group of people who engaged in passive aggressive behaviors, never set clear boundaries, and clearly molded this girl into a scapegoat. There was a low-key implication in his narrative that “horse girl” had a crush on OP and that motivated her dislike of the other women. I can only assume this entire interaction went on as long as it did merely to fulfill the needs of the rest of the group to feel superior. I feel more uncomfortable about a group of people gathering together to complain about a friend to the extent of writing a “letter of concern” than someone who wants to pretend their character got a baby horse. And then to be so “shocked” that she didn’t return to the group?! They held a ridiculously passive aggressive “intervention” and then were frustrated she didn’t want to come back?! There was a lot of game-playing happening and it certainly wasn’t just the d&d.

So she played a bubbly character that would try to fix issues that weren't there in all her male relationships. That's character flaws that make for a better story. OP seems to have just not liked her. Also why should it matter that one of her jokes didn't land about the horse thing. The only terrible people I see are OP and his group of friends outcasting a new player then reading her personal stories and makeing fun of her for them without her consent while she left for mental health reasons.

Okay, to give my own thoughts on this story; I have known people who were like this girl in the past, I had several toxic friends with these sort of red flags; the "split personality" where they switch on a dime, the overly jealous tendencies against women and over-attachment to men, the "I can't believe you didn't do what I wanted to do" attitude, etc. They can be very parasitic, and I think it's pretty clear that this girl definitely needs to seek out a therapist and they made the right choice on cutting her out of their group. However, on the other side of things, I don't believe that OP was being entirely fair with her. He seems to have a lot of unnecessary anger out for this girl with a lot of the tone and wording. There's this sort of backwords logic on this girl wanting a relationship in lue of others having a relationship, and frankly this feels like a case of someone wanting a different campaign than what is presented; the group wanted Game of Thrones while she wanted something probably lighter. But instead of trying to find a compromise or just talking to her, the group just let their annoyance stew and boil over. I'll take his word on this story, as I recognize a lot of the traits I've experienced in ex-friends and I don't want to discredit this guy as often times people will discredit men more harshly than women, though I think he was exaggerating a bit on some aspects. It's best to always take these kinds of stories with a grain of salt and to also bring into question the validity of the OP. I believe that this girl was very toxic and definitely needed to leave the group, however I do believe aspects were exaggerated. I hope for the best in both sides, for the right help to be given where it's needed for both OP and this girl

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

@caranostalgico9249

Жыл бұрын

Yes, tbf I think OP was a little more than upset by the fact that his character didn't had his glorious redemption arc of conquering his substance abuse, perhaps he was a little salty...

@noyou9379

Жыл бұрын

@@caranostalgico9249 That was what stood out to me that he was upset about not getting his arc. He may not have been but it definitely showed in the post.

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

I was pleasantly surprised that so many people agree, I made several copy-pastes just because I really thought I'd be downvoted and buried in the comments somewhere, so my thoughts wouldn't be seen. This story gave me the feeling that the group was very judgemental in a subtle way, and just were annoyed, and made it awkward whenever she did or said something out of her imagination. Yes, she is prolly psychologically sick. But doesn't she deserve to be happy? Have fun? To release her wild imagination? Doesn't that warrant for understanding, acceptance, and inclusion? Because really, they all acted like she was just a bother. This was relatively tame from all the other stories that exist, this wasn't that extreme that it deserved to be publicized. There are other solutions that don't include discrimination and shittalking about her. She wasn't a bad person from what I've heard here. Just a bit excited and unaware, all that, not her fault. But the group along with her could have done better, to say the least. As I've said... I honestly don't think she deserved this much criticism publicly like this at all. I would have been heartbroken to hear about this if it were about me.

I was on the fence for most of this one, as a lot of this sounds like "cluelessly awkward person is cluelessly awkward", especially sicne - as the OP pointed out - this was her first time in a game with a serious tone. I was, however, willing to support OP on this right up until the last part when Horse Girl went for therapy. Instead of being supportive that she did what seemed to be the right thing, OP instead berates her for not "crediting" them for her decision. That smacked of OP being vindictive for "not playing the game correctly", and instantly colors everything he's said to this point in a negative light. Another "minor" warning in my mind: Lando's stating that GM was "more her friend then Horse Girl". Sorry, how does she know this and why is she telling someone who's not involved like that? If we agree that Horse Girl is competing for attention, then I see she's in good company with Lando. Here's what I think ACTUALLY happened: an insular group had a "wild child" player come in with a completely different take on things. Her lack of exposure to other play styles and many real-world issues (alcoholism) caused her to miss queues and misread situations that came naturally to the experienced players and to mistakenly think that her disruptive situations would be equally fun for the other players when they weren't. This caused the group to grow more and more insular and isolate themselves from her, all the while sniping at her behind her back. The GM, sensing the growing tension and not wanting conflict to erupt with her friends, took the path of lease resistance and tried to correct Horse Girl's behavior, but Horse Girl wasn't able to grasp what was really wrong to change her behavior. The few attempts at direct communication came too late to change anything as, by then, Horse Girl was growing frustrated with the group ignoring her and the GM constantly telling her SHE had to change and nobody else - like it or not, this likely came off as favoritism in Horse Girl's mind. When she was finally given an open letter from the group (which I suspect is FAR more vindictive then the OP is letting on), she took a few days to look herself in the mirror, realized that she wasn't having fun in this game (and, hopefully, that she needed to clean herself up), and bowed out. GM then decided to share Horse Girl's personal notes and information because, apparently, GM is just as terrible as the rest of the group and basks in the secret shames of someone who is going to mental therapy.

@isumkitchens5329

Жыл бұрын

I don't necessarily agree with this take but that's bc I don't believe most of these. I treat em like green text stories, probably fake and op is usually the weird one even if they don't know it. It's been interesting hearing some of y'all argue over how this story has been interpreted. I can definitely see her view, and their view seems just as toxic for different reasons. I genuinely think if all this was real it's just a clash of personality types and RP style like you and others have said.

@LordDaret

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@isumkitchens5329apparently the story has been deleted. According the text that now replaces it, it was written more for a cathartic ending rather than actual complaining. I image the story itself is true based on the comments of this video (apparently the campaign is filled with brutal content and this OP’s group barely stuck their toes in the water for the available content), however I think the OP let their IRL bias take hold in their venting and used it to paint horse girl in a negative light and the rest of the group in a non-negative one. I agree with you and at its core it’s a clash of personalities problem. I am sure if the horse girl had for some reason wrote a Reddit post in the same way, we would be bashing her too.

Honestly, the entire table seems yikes. Not the kind of thing I, and I know many of my peers, look for in D&D...

@siluda9255

Жыл бұрын

yeah

@ArchArrow1

Жыл бұрын

I don't think this is D&D anymore. Gatekeeping is good and needed because of want to be players like this.

Mixed feelings about this. Kinda weird to give yourself a pass for the tragic backstory bit while criticizing another player/character about it. I mean it's one thing to have a tragic backstory (who doesn't); it's another to have your character randomly go through full blown withdrawal and force the party to RP through that so early on (he just happened to quit cold turkey at the start of the campaign? I don't get it). Also what does her old fanfic and kinks have to do with anything?

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

I was pleasantly surprised that so many people agree, I made several copy-pastes just because I really thought I'd be downvoted and buried in the comments somewhere, so my thoughts wouldn't be seen. This story gave me the feeling that the group was very judgemental in a subtle way, and just were annoyed, and made it awkward whenever she did or said something out of her imagination. Yes, she is prolly psychologically sick. But doesn't she deserve to be happy? Have fun? To release her wild imagination? Doesn't that warrant for understanding, acceptance, and inclusion? Because really, they all acted like she was just a bother. This was relatively tame from all the other stories that exist, this wasn't that extreme that it deserved to be publicized. There are other solutions that don't include discrimination and shittalking about her and feeling sorry for yourself like you said. She wasn't a bad person from what I've heard here. Just a bit excited and unaware, all that, not her fault. But the group along with her could have done better, to say the least. As I've said... I honestly don't think she deserved this much criticism publicly like this at all. I would have been heartbroken to hear about this if it were about me.

Are we going to ignore that Padme could roleplay her pregnancy fantasy thanks to the DM and Horsegirl couldn't? Doesn't seem very good to me.

@siluda9255

Жыл бұрын

op is hiding things

@saintsprayer727

Жыл бұрын

Literally all the red flags are here. OP can bring substance abuse and a withdrawal arc into the role play but binge drinking is super triggering for *everyone* else

@defiledsoul1658

Жыл бұрын

@@saintsprayer727 I dont think it was the fact she was doing it that was the major issue, maybe just she acted about it OOC. It seemed like the party generally had boundaries set up for things like that. I do think that the GM could have done a much better job in making sure everyone got fair treatment and things were talked about in a civil manner whilst doing so. After all, a responsibility as the GM the person who is getting a bunch of unique individuals is to ensure that the experience is shared and enjoyed. For everyone, you included.

@leastselfawarepotassium

10 ай бұрын

@@saintsprayer727man so happy with this comment section. So many times I thought wtf are these double standards during this story.

@1dingerr

10 ай бұрын

Yup, OP and the gang sound like a terrible party. "Why is she jealous of every girl in the game!!!" Idk maybe because everything they want to do in the game is allowed, but she can't even hook up with shady bard...

The fanfiction thing completely destroys OP's credibility. It wasn't meant to be shared, but they stole it and shamed her for it on the internet right after she emailed them about seeking help for her mental issues. It takes a terrible group of people to do something like that. The whole post is most likely bullshit. The rape daggers never became a problem (it was just a funny name and was never brought up again in the post), OP's entire backstory and playthrough revolved around substance abuse (yet everyone got upset only when Horsegirl started drinking), they brought up her real-life home/financial situation (none of our business and not important, it was just there so Horsegirl would know they were talking about her if she ever came across the post), and they got upset when she tried to cheer people up or tried to start a relationship (one of the other girls got fucking pregnant, are you kidding me?). Horsegirl was 100% being bullied. I doubt she was as "dramatic" as OP described and I'm willing to bet she told maybe two horse jokes that the group intentionally took seriously because they saw it as a fresh opportunity to bag on her. They had money and she didn't and they looked down on her for that. I lost count of how many times OP claimed she was jealous of everyone. That's such an egotistical and arrogant thing to say in the first place. Who the hell would be jealous of a bunch of real-life "recovering" substance abusers? He said everyone except Horsegirl had that issue, so it sounds like he and his ex-junkie friends (who probably leech off their parents, because drugs/alcohol are expensive to buy on a regular basis, but OP claims they're financially stable) didn't see her as "one of them" and decided to badmouth her when she left in the middle of the game. What garbage human beings. I hope she finds better/actual friends in the future.

@LordDaret

6 ай бұрын

I think the story beats are true, but the op re-interpreted them to be personal slights against himself. Why do I think this? Because the OP deleted the story and replaced it with an excuse.

@jacobc8036

5 ай бұрын

@@LordDaretI know and the excuse and the “please take down the videos” thing made me sick. How dare you badmouth someone this bad but than play victim

Didn't quite like this one. Unpopular opinion, I rather feel sorry for her, than feel contempt. I genuinely believe that she just wanted to make things fun, but had mental health issues that haven't surfaced. What she did were mistakes, not from being a horrible person, but sick and just seeking to make things interesting. She probably just didn't understand, or felt differently when it came to some things, wasn't truly aware of what was wrong. I don't know. I just felt bad for her. I don't think she deserved to be shat on for that. And I won't apologize for having a different perspective.

@Raptor-tooth

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that exactly and there are a lot of fishy bits in this. Seems like some of it is either exaggerated or made up and OP is definitely a bit at fault here too.

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

@@Raptor-tooth Totally agree.

@songsayswhat

Жыл бұрын

Your opinion isn't unpopular at all. Bulk of comments I've read hear agree with you (and mine up above). It's been a long time since I've heard a D&D Horror Story that makes me certain there is more than meets the eye with OP and OP's account. I've played with a lot of socially awkward and (yes) annoying people over the years. HG would be on the better end of them. ...that probably says a lot more about me!

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

@@songsayswhat I was pleasantly surprised that so many people agree, I made several copy-pastes just because I really thought I'd be downvoted and buried in the comments somewhere, so my thoughts wouldn't be seen. This story gave me the feeling that the group was very judgemental in a subtle way, and just were annoyed, and made it awkward whenever she did or said something out of her imagination. Yes, she is psychologically sick. But doesn't she deserve to be happy? Have fun? To release her wild imagination? Doesn't that warrant for understanding, acceptance, and inclusion? Because really, they all acted like she was just a bother. There are other solutions that don't include discrimination and shittalking about her. She wasn't a bad person from what I've heard here. Just a bit excited and unaware, not her fault. But the group along with her could have done better, to say the least. As I've said... I honestly don't think she deserved this much criticism publicly like this at all. I would have been heartbroken to hear about this if it were about me.

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

@@songsayswhat By the way, do you DM in your games then? I'm wondering if, by any chance, that I could find a group to play with online. I'm basically a total noob when it comes to DnD but I know the basics of how to play it. Thing is just that I'm in a group of _all_ total noobs, including me, it's all our first times. But I love it so much, that I'd love to play with an experienced group. Perhaps even learn how to DM, because it would be very useful if I'd ever have to be a backup DM, or start my own game with loved ones. =)

Really disappointed in the take-away from all this. OP had no problem bringing his withdrawal and rehab therapy into their role play but they all found it sooooo triggering to have horse-girl be an alcoholic. They judged her for every little thing she did and when it was done they dug through her past to find more things to judge her on????? I wouldn’t be surprised if horse-girl had been the victim of sa in the past and that’s why she wrote fics like that. I was and I wrote much of the same as a child. Literally disgusting behavior of the party. She didn’t bring any of that to the table. They even want to judge her for quietly severing ties and seeking therapy! God I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to watch any more videos from this channel if this is the maturity and insight we’re taking into these story times. Just face value.

Sounds like she dodged a bullet getting away from these people. Good grief, everything from mocking how she roleplays to stalking and public shaming her for what she likes privately months after the fact. And for what, attention on a post? I'm rather disappointed that this story was showcased painting the OP in any sort of positive light, really scummy post even with him being the one posting the story and controlling the narrative.

@seekingfurtherlight34

Жыл бұрын

💯

@imr.random

6 ай бұрын

Nuh uh

I'll be honest, horse girl doesn't sound great, but the OP and the others aren't coming out smelling like roses either. They sound like an unpleasant group, and hypocritical. I think it's really gross that the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is this story is that they found her other writing after she left and roasted her for it when she wasn't even there to defend herself. That's not cool!

@SpookyHelder

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, that last straw of their was weird. Like, I felt that things she did earlier were way worse. But! Rape fanfics are fucky and I can't defend that. Ultimately, it's the DMs fault for not doing something sooner. Also: It's a completely irrelevant point to make that they said that she should get mental help, because she has to decide that for herself.

@gwoody4003

8 ай бұрын

I always played D&D with the same group every time back in highschool. I never played with people I didn't know since elementary school. Never had a game be ruined by anyone's narcissism. Thats what it is... in alllll these anecdotes. Narcissists who for some reason joined a cooperative group activity to make it all about themselves and what they want it to be.

@LordDaret

6 ай бұрын

@@SpookyHelderone problem with the fanfic: horse girl never brought it up, the OP’s group sought it out. Also it’s apparently a pretty common fantasy for women to have.

@SpookyHelder

6 ай бұрын

@@LordDaret and?

Idk this seems more like self-righteous group doesnt want annoying girl in their party. You can role play being a withdrawing heroin addict but someone drinking too much (albeit dramatically) is "triggering" for you? Again seems like they used a victim mentality to kick the weird girl out.

@Inverts4Introverts

Жыл бұрын

Very much agreed.

I think the party was just consistently hostile to this “Horse Girl” because they had resented her for IRL reasons. If you have a problem with this girl, don’t play D&D with her, because I would love her in one of my games minus the awkward horse stuff

@GreenSabre187

Жыл бұрын

What horse stuff even? the one scene where she warged into the horse? Was pretty unawkward for me. Why play ASOIAF when wargin into a horse is already super awkward? When normies want to play adult stuff. That what comes out of it. Everybody wants to be a grown up, and in the end, everbody inlcuding the gm are crying and have to get picked up by their parents.

I think the worst part about this story was the girl's fixation on the male character/player while ignoring and being passive-aggressive towards the other players. That kind of attitude doesn't make for a good D&D player. Everything else was minor annoyances or just her "being weird", and it honestly sounds easy to ignore.

I feel sorry for horsegirl, sounds like she has a lot of pent-up trauma

@RepubsWannaMarryKids

Жыл бұрын

I'd say there is a 90-95% chance she is likely an SA survivor if she is writing non-con stuff, cause it is super common that those are written by people who have suffered CSA or SA. I have suffered both and written non-con stuff since I was 12 to deal with it. I write and I get fewer nightmare/dream/memories.

@saintsprayer727

Жыл бұрын

@@RepubsWannaMarryKids same. I thought them digging up those fics and shaming her for them was particularly disgusting. The group sounds like hypocritical assholes all the way around.

@Nordrig

Жыл бұрын

@@RepubsWannaMarryKids I've met a few girls that had that problem. Some... well. Some others actually liked the idea of being..... non-conned. I suppose it's a power fantasy. Some of them were friends of mine and have expressed how they like an assertive man. Really assertive no-for-an-answer type of man. But hey, I don't judge. I've indulged their roleplaying fantasies once or twice. To each their own.

"Check out more funny stories in these end card boxes." One is a pedo story and the other is about retroactively forcing the DM to rp a rapist/ abuser. "Funny... that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

@selflesswarrior

Жыл бұрын

He never said they were “haha” funny….

@gummywormee41

Жыл бұрын

Ah, one of the end card boxes had a video about someone Trauma Dumping (which in my opinion the way he went about wording it was kinda icky. Like I agree with his points but the way he phrases it definitely has a sour taste)

@gummywormee41

Жыл бұрын

Actually Idk if he can choose what vids are in his end card

@ponderingForever

Жыл бұрын

@@gummywormee41 On youtube you can manually select what cards show and header links appear. You can however mark it as random.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Weirdly enough the "pedo story" felt more about a whiny player.

"My character is four years your senior so he doesn't need your mothering" said the man leading a poppy addicted crack priest that couldn't get his shit together. yes, obviously that character doesn't need someone mothering over him. :D

@williamdodgson5136

3 ай бұрын

Atleast he's better than that horse girl trying to do a RAPE FANTASY. Do you not see the problem?

None of these people are in the right: Horse girl sounds annoying and maybe socially awkward but she is just trying to have fun, OP has the right to be annoyed at some of her antics but sometimes he sounds gatekeepy, and he didn't need to bring her fantasies into the context of the story, it was uncalled for.

I mean engaging with a PC that had a drug addiction is interacting with their story in a supporting role. This is less of a party foul and seems like op just did not like the horse girl. Seems more personal than situational. Also, you are playing a drug addict and do not want to be talked down to or babied? In rehab some places do not let you leave, choose meals, or bring in your own clothes because the addicts cannot be trusted... this sounds a bit like OP just wanted to be edgy. I see the other lady in the group got a steady npc Bo but not horsegirl... seems like the dm was playing favorites a bit there. Not a big fan of romances in game, but if you give the latitude for one character to do it should at least make it a possibility for everyone else. Taming the "bad boy" pickup artis is a common trope in romance novels, so I do not see why you would shy away from that when you gave a steady hubby to the other girl that is literally a knight in shinning armor. Finding private fiction that never entered the game is a party foul for the rest of the group unless horse girl shared it. This is like saying Steven King has plans to murder people because all his fiction is about people being murdered. The erotic friend fiction is weird, but it is a horse girl. Note on The Song of Ice and Fire being "not a soap opera," huh? The central conflict between the starks and lanisters was caused by the queen sleeping with someone not her husband and questioning the parentage of her children. People are murdered at a wedding because of a broken marriage agreement. Rob stark is killed because of a love triangle, and the imp kills his father for sleeping with his wife. It has political parts, but it has more soap opera twists than a telenovella.

@LordMephilis

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much my thoughts. Makes a big point about padme's arc but when someone tries to help his character which could lead to a character arc it's a problem. Seems like they just did not want her there but wanted to act like they did to seem nice. Better to just say no than to drag things out and make everyone suffer.

@gummywormee41

Жыл бұрын

While I don't know much about the topic, so please take this with a grain of salt, I think maybe the issue was the extremes HG went to, as well as a lack of care towards others. OP mentions many times about how HG will just ignore other people to (as they described) smother them. They've even described not being allowed to interact with other people. Also, being talked down to doesn't really feel great? But I definitely agree about them trying to dig for her old fanfiction (which while weird it's just,, not cool to do if your making a story where you basically portray someone to be the worst person in the world) But that's usually the case in these "OMG I'VE HAD THE WORST PROBLEM PLAYER!!" There are things behind the scenes, and things aren't always black and white

@insertianameia2224

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but HG was and is trash. 🗑 🤣 🤣 🤣

@Elvalley

Жыл бұрын

Rob Stark is killed because of a political betrayal, the love triangle is merely set dressing. Same with the parentage issue, the conflict is less "oh, not they'll discover my secret romance" and more "they'll ruin my big shot and ruling the known world and getting my children to inherit it". And Tyrion was already going to kill his father, it was his woman (not his wife) that he killed for betraying him (AND sleeping with his father). What I mean to say, half the soap opera twists are actually political plot points, ant the other half are a bit more complex than standard soap opera fare. Not that it matters all that much, when you have noble houses and shit, most politics will look like soap opera plots in the surface anyway.

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@Elvalley I mean politics usually have to do with power grabs, security, and acquisition. TSoIaF is more soap opera because it is a more interesting plot twist than a 3% tax or a border dispute... which is how most politics were decided. TSoIaF is Days of our Lives tier melodrama. If it was political, you would have lord x siding with lord y because they can take lord z's land and declare independence because they are likely to succeed in their estimation, not because the queen is boinking her guard captain. Most lords would not care, frankly. Heck, most monarchies let the king name their heir, blood or not. Frankly the relationships and who is with who is what most people find interesting from a story standpoint, so I am not knocking it. No one really cared about the cause of the Northern independence or the Lanaster dynasty; everyone cared if Rob Stark would survive/become king or if the imp would find love... it was a soap opera with rich people in power... hence Tellanovella. Rob Stark was killed at his father-in-law's to be castle after breaking up a marriage with their daughter. That is basically a bad breakup with people with power and murderous intent. There is basically a "shotgun wedding" where they chose to say no. Frey is a minor noble before and after this with no significant gains in the Westeros court other than an off hand reference to some gold; no real political gains there, just sweet sweet revenge for making his eldest daughter cry. The queen had no ambitions of ruling anything till her children were threatened by an already physically abusive husband. There was no eugenics plot to put a pure blooded Lanister on the throne and the king would be house Barathian publicly anyway with no one knowing, lest it start a war. It had more to do with her hating the abusive jerk she was married to and having her back against a wall. You have secret siblings, revolations of parentage, love triangles driving the plot, and people making emotional decisions based on personal grievances and relationships. Totally a soap opera; political dramas are more discussion on how to get away with a coup and what kind would be best to succeed. IE, the war of 1812 was fought over a 3% tax no real personal drama... just tax law to force a treaty.

This just makes me feel bad for horse girl. She clearly has some issues and the party were not kind about it.

So yeah this one seems like the real horror is a table who shut down a player because they disliked how they played. Aka the real problems were OP and the rest of the party. Lets list the "complaint" just to see how dumb they are: • Horse girl played Curse of Strad in a way OP didn't like, the very definition of gatekeeping. Which btw Curse of Strad using anime memes is fun. • Horse girl used a race OP didn't like, despite the GM allowing it. Again the very definition of gatekeeping and "how dare you not play the way I like". • Horse girl was playing a naive childish character is a dark campaign. Once again the issue is not horse girl, but how OP feels the character should be. • Horse girl plays as a murder happy character, which is extremely dark. But OP find it problematic because "its way too dark". (Did you all see the contradiction with the last point?) • Horse girl was too much into bastards and people who are shady, and didn't like talking to girls. Again OP complaining that the character was not being played like he wanted. • Horse girl constantly being compared to "Padme". While horse girl is being complained at for being naive, childish, and liking people with sad stories, "Padme" was being congratulated for sleeping around and being super edgy. Just another case of OP only liking character that play the way he wants. • Horse girl is trying to be nice to OP during his story arc, fitting with her character, and she gets called out for being too friendly. • Horse girl doesn't talk to other characters and gets called out for not being friendly. • Horse girl tries to be friend NPCs and it goes nowhere, and so they complain about that. • Horse girl starts drinking after all that's happen, in what's supposed to be a dark game apparently, and that's bad because "OP's character is a recovering addict and her drinking messes with *HIS* character". • After she leaves voluntarily to deal with their mental health they just start laughing and complaining. Who wants to bet they didn't even wish them well after hearing about that? I say good for horse girl getting out of that clearly toxic group.

@Anonymous-bi5pv

Жыл бұрын

men moment

@AlFredo-sx2yy

Жыл бұрын

also i gotta love how they said she "rage quit" like bruh :v

@ShinFahima

Жыл бұрын

This seems to sum up the story quite well.

@shizucheese

Жыл бұрын

Based on the information presented here, it feels like your grossly misrepresenting what happened. * OP's issue with HG being "murder happy" was because it wasn't consistent with how she had been RPing her character up until that point, which was as naive and childish. And it's 100% fair for someone to find that frustrating if not straight up disturbing. * The way he describes HG's obsession with "characters with sad stories" sounds more like fetishization rather than just here merely "liking characters with sad stories." This is especially clear from the fact that, according to OP, she was insisting that even the characters who the GM made very clear did not have tragic stories to them did (something you seem to have conveniently left out of your analysis), completely taking away the autonomy of the GM by basically trying to impose her own will over the game the GM was trying to run. * On the subject of autonomy, monopolizing the time of another player in a game you're in, at the expense of their ability to RP with the other players in the party, is not "trying to be nice." This isn't even touching on the fact that you're trying to paint someone who, on top of the behaviors listed above, thought that it was okay and funny to call her weapons "rape daggers" as the victim here.

@nadeshikorealnofake2237

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-bi5pv Uh Padme, Dm and Op are female it's women't lmao Op was the only guy, my bad lol

What an absolutely bizarre story. You can just dislike somebody without needing to make up some massive "they were an INTRINSICALLY BAD PERSON, actually" reason; you aren't going to gel with everybody you meet. That's FINE. Also... writing Edgy Backstories isn't either bad or an indicator of somebody having some deep past trauma; I have a character whose backstory involves a hand cannon misfiring in his face and that does not mean that I have been blown up by any sort of munitions. I literally just thought it was neat/wanted an excuse to research medieval adaptive devices.

Nah I don't agree with OP or critcrab on this one. She didn’t really do anything crazy or awful and it just seemed like they didn't like her. Also to bring up her private fanfic and stories is a dick move no doubt about that. It had little to nothing with her "bad behaviour" just an excuse to shame someone's kinks?? Also the part where horse girl leaves for the sake of her mental health after the group wrote a whole ass letter detailing all her problems to just toss that big move on her part to "well they told her to get therapy befire but refused" wtf??? Coming from a guy who is rping someone dealing with withdrawl and rp'ed refusing to get help?? The cognitive dissonance on this one. To also be uncomfortable about horse girl playing someone also dealing with substance abuse?? Dude what? Nope i feel bad for horse girl. She just seemed like someone who was awkward and clearly was trying trying her best to find her footing in a completly different play style that op admits was the first time she was playing. I hope she got the help that she desevered and good riddance on these people and that she finds a dnd group that she can vibe with.

@demilts

Жыл бұрын

Also joke curse of Strahd campaign soinds fun as hell. I too want to bully Strahd

Are we scraping the bottom of the barrel here now Crab? Like this OP even in their own telling of events comes off like a jerk. And the whole taking the offspring of her horse's entanglement makes total sense seeing how her House is nationally renouned for the horses they raise. Sure there would be a civil discussion or dispute I'm sure, but thats another chance to let this poor person grow as a player and RP the situation.

@APerson-ws4cw

Жыл бұрын

Ehh the op seems fine here, and horsegirl did a lot worse than just claiming a horse lmao

End - So. . . Horse Girl actually toned it way down to play with others. . . Wow.

@aprilbennett4161

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. A vaguely wholesome reveal.

I found it difficult to fully buy into OPs claims. First off, he came across as incredibly gatekeepy, with how he ridiculed Horse Girl for running a comedic murder hobo run of Curse of Strahd and how she wanted to play a bubbly lighthearted character in the campaign. Second, it seemed more like Horse Girl's crush on him seemed more like pointless conjecture at best and narcissistic at worst. This makes the more disturbing claims come off more as him either completely making them up just to make Horse Girl look bad, or he skewed the situation to make Horse Girl off as the crazy one when, form what it sounded like, most of the party was kinda in the same boat as she was in terms of senses of humor.

@ZundelArt

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if she acted like that towards EVERY male character, OP's one clearly wasn't as special to her as he is trying to make us believe he was. It sounds more like she just wanted to play an overbearing, overly friendly type of character to all she found similar to her and OP's character just fit the mold.And he took it personally.

@Anonymous-bi5pv

Жыл бұрын

men moment

@theawkwardpotato264

Жыл бұрын

But she did. The post literally said, and I am paraphrasing "She acted this way with almost every male NPC with a tragic backstory, even ones without a tragic backstory, especially bastard sons."

@yourpapersplease5000

Жыл бұрын

You found out that these stories are 50% likely to be made up and 100% likely to be influenced by the opinions of the OP. A bully for you!

@gecko2.617

Жыл бұрын

Well OP said that she DID treat EVERY male npc the same way

Gonna be honest, I don’t think OP meant to make her sound less bad and his group more bad, but he kind of did. Yeah, she was a bit weird, but nothing she did was too bad, while all the other characters are getting to fulfill the desires the players set out for them. Gonna say this is you and your groups fault, OP.

@LordDaret

6 ай бұрын

Plus if you in the context that GoT themed campaigns are really brutal and dark, it just makes the OP and his group seem like they just don’t understand what they are playing.

Yeah..horse girl literally did nothing wrong. All her stuff was in character. Those people are just weirdos that take offense to everything.

@shoopdawoop7014

3 ай бұрын

“We were having casual conversation about drugs, sex, and violence, when horse girl said something mildly eyebrow raising. We were all SHOCKED and APPALLED into silence, and told her she needed therapy. Luckily, mercenary John got to finish his story about how he cheated on his wife with his daughter and the day was saved.”

I once dreamed of a horse. A real nightMare

@luigiboi4244

Жыл бұрын

That pun was terrible.

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHHHHHH

Man I was expecting this to be way worse.

I'm surprised people aren't talking more about how horse girl was said to be an out of game binge drinker/possible alcoholic, I read this story a few months ago and this part has stuck with me for how shitty it is if you think about it. This girl is implied to have an actual addiction (and being in denial about it) and ALL OP cares about is his imaginary characters addiction not being handled well by horse girl or the effect her character has on his? Like they talked about it once out of game and it's even brushed over in the post but like does this guy not know how self centered and shitty that makes him sound, especially after going on about his D&D characters addiction rather than the living breathing person he's interacting with? I mean don't get me wrong this girls hypothetical addiction isn't their responsibility but it's just how this guy prioritizes the character over a fellow player that leaves me confused & angry. Combined with the little details like OP conflating this pre-game conflict between Horse girl & Padme to Horse girl making bad financial decisions and kinda shaming her for it even though it wasn't even confirmably that but because she said they were in different stages of their lives, being gate keep-y in the beginning, harping on her (admittedly pretty cringy/fanfiction-y but mostly harmless) choices in game, to finding then making fun of her personal writing, this paints a pretty ugly picture of OP and his friends. The in game interactions are entertaining but the out of game ones are so telling. This whole story leaves me feeling really weird, Horse girl doesn't sound like someone I'd like to hang out with and there were some genuinely frustrating moments detailed, but the way OP retells this situation makes him & the group feel like clicky high schoolers keeping her around just to make fun of, her wanting to date OP is as other people have said conjuncture. I feel kinda bad for Horse girl honestly, like her offenses are pretty tame, for the most part just misreading the game & not being on the same page as the other players (although again most of what she does is genuinely frustrating, esp combined with the other red flags). But other than that she seemed pretty harmless, I mean making jokes that are uncomfortable/don't land, wanting in game romance, and making silly or immature choices in game isn't that bad & can be fixed. I might be reaching but it sounds like the group is letting their out of character feelings toward her keep them from wanting to work with her in game. But anyways this is all reaching, none of us were there and we don't know if this was recounted accurately on OPs part but that's just how I interpreted it. Edit: I just went through it again and realized I forgot to mention how some other players have dealt with IRL substance abuse and were triggered, which is valid but how uncaring they were towards Horse girl even after the GM confirmed she binge drinks is still shitty. This is coming from someone with substance abuse related trauma themself, it's okay if they were uncomfortable with it being brought to the game in that way but to brush off the out of game issue & to prioritise an imaginary characters recovery arc in game is really ugly.

@GreenSabre187

Жыл бұрын

thats i wouldnt play with most people.

@StudlyFudd13

Жыл бұрын

And naming her 'horse girl' seems so demeaning....it is dehumanizing. OP is the Ahole here for sure imo. I don't like this group at all. Then shaming her for her private...PRIVATE stuff later? That is fucked up on so many levels. She needs new friends, cause these people are not good ones.

The fact that the entire group wrote her a letter, and her response was to leave and state "mental health reasons" tells me this is not a toxic person, she just didn't gel with this group...

Oh nice, I remember hearing DnD Doge read this one! I enjoy seeing different KZreadrs reading the same story and hearing their thoughts on it :)

20:00 A bastard with a happy home life? In Westeros? Near unprecedented, tbh. Jon Snow is pretty much as good as it gets, and even he grew up scared shitless of his stepmom and always feeling like an outsider, and thus has a tendency for brooding.

I kinda feel like the problem here was the girl not being as close a friend to the party members, and not as experiences as a player, so while they could roleplay topics such as romance and addiction in a way that seemed mature and okay with the rest of the group, her attempts at tackling such topics (including unknowingly tapping into alcohol addiction) came off as insensitive to them. Also, not sure why they were so appalled by her rape fantasy stories when they play Game of Thrones of all things, let the girl have her kinks in private. Good for the girl to leave the group and focus on her mental health, she didn't seem like a bad person, just not a good fit for that particular group. Hope she sorts her weird misogyny thing out, though, that was the trait that bothered me the most about her.

"We dodged a bullet" Like 4-5 months after the bullet fired. I would suspect the direct REAL LIFE conflict between the person that wasn't friends with her anymore should have been the biggest up front red flag.

Unironically HorseGirl was prolly the only one at the table that wasn't a total piece of shit. I mean seriously, getting triggered that a fantasy character is getting drunk while you're laying there dying from withdrawals? Make it make sense. Reading her private fanfiction, sharing it on the internet and kink shaming her for it? OP ate Tide pods confirmed.

@PhilosophyofElivagar

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention getting mad that they weren't credited for her deciding to take time out for mental health?? She didn't owe these idiots anything, nor was her irl drinking any of their business. Sounds like they love to gossip and she couldn't do anything right

Why are they freaked out that she's violent in a make believe game?

Honestly it just sounds like they did not like her, she honestly did not seem all that bad. *shrug*

@krieggfn3896

Жыл бұрын

Horse girl detected; opinion discarded

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe

Жыл бұрын

I was pleasantly surprised that so many people agree, I made several copy-pastes just because I really thought I'd be downvoted and buried in the comments somewhere, so my thoughts wouldn't be seen. This story gave me the feeling that the group was very judgemental in a subtle way, and just were annoyed, and made it awkward whenever she did or said something out of her imagination. Yes, she is prolly psychologically sick. But doesn't she deserve to be happy? Have fun? To release her wild imagination? Doesn't that warrant for understanding, acceptance, and inclusion? Because really, they all acted like she was just a bother. This was relatively tame from all the other stories that exist, this wasn't that extreme that it deserved to be publicized. There are other solutions that don't include discrimination and shittalking about her. She wasn't a bad person from what I've heard here. Just a bit excited and unaware, all that, not her fault. But the group along with her could have done better, to say the least. As I've said... I honestly don't think she deserved this much criticism publicly like this at all. I would have been heartbroken to hear about this if it were about me.

I actually stopped playing D&D cause the group I was with flat out bullied me until I ripped my character sheet and had a mental breakdown in my car. But I still like to hear these stories to listen to other peoples experiences with bad D&D groups

The more I hear about groups like this the more I appreciate my groups.

question I have been pondering while listening to this story is what is a "comfortable shade of bestiality"?

@DestinyKiller

Жыл бұрын

Furries that stay in character and don't bother real animals?

@user-zo9ce9jp1q

Жыл бұрын

Catgirls

@bosssaucenation

Жыл бұрын

I don't think there even was any. I mean horse girl made sex jokes at the end involving her horse but the butt of the joke was it impregnating a mare.

@morrigankasa570

11 ай бұрын

Each their own, in a fantasy setting I have absolutely no problem with "Beast Love". But I acknowledge other people have different opinions on things. The main thing is, COMMUNICATION!

The mr. crabs rattle when your oc walks on and off screen is hilarious!

Oh...oh my God. I...this is my friend's story. I completely forgot that he told us that you asked to read it. I'm freaking out *so* hard rn (in a good way)

@blazingsword2578

Жыл бұрын

Lol that's amazing.

@blazingsword2578

Жыл бұрын

I just hate how all bronies are thought to be like this

@Misa-zv7po

Жыл бұрын

@@blazingsword2578 she didn't even *watch* MLP outside of a couple times with me. Inexplicable horse shenanigans that made us all uncomfortable...I still think about it sometimes & it's been 3 years since she stopped talking to me/was in the game

@blazingsword2578

Жыл бұрын

@@Misa-zv7po what I meant was that people who dont actually know us think this is us and that's all we are.

@luigiboi4244

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry your friend had to go through such a nightmare.

For my group COS turned into a a time of stuns, the barbarian-monk combo followed by more stuns and the fight being completely one-sided, even when we redid strahd when he returned, it just made fighting him again a cakewalk

@jacobrodriguez5289

Жыл бұрын

I just turned into a giant octopus and let the monks go nuts. Fun fact strahd can not phase through characters

@WarmLusamine

Жыл бұрын

Huh. So that song had a point after all. "Why don't women ever love me? Here's a dagger, kill your monk." - Welcome to Barovia

@Temperans

Жыл бұрын

In my campaign the GM gave us the light sword from a certain place, and that pretty much just trivialized the figth.

Well, that wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be! Seems like they may have dodged a bullet on that one. You had me worried with the pony in the thumbnail...

@adamschank7703

Жыл бұрын

Considering the contents of the story "horse girl" wrote, I'd say they definitely dodged a bullet.

@siluda9255

Жыл бұрын

@@adamschank7703 she never brought it to the table, op STALKED her old posts, it seems to me she as the one who dodge the bullet

Ran Curse of Strahd…… as a joke?? Yeah, my DM running Curse of Strahd right now pitched the setting as one that would drive me- one that doesn’t like to drink alcohol- to want to start drinking from depressing events.

@LordMephilis

Жыл бұрын

I could see it being ran as a joke since you can just exaggerate strahd as some kind of sad incel. Pretty much anything can be turned into a joke.

@Rebel37th

Жыл бұрын

@@LordMephilis eh, I guess I can see that.

Milk of the poppy is just another name for something irl called poppy latex. I think its a crude fluidy goo version of opium. Its white goo appearance is probably where they got milk of the poppy from.

This whole story is a mess and confusing to follow. I also find it hard to sympathize with OP as about half of his complaints with horsegirl are easy to write off as someone just trying to have fun in the campaign and I get the feeling they really just disliked her personally. So her sins were wanting an in game relationship (which other characters got) being too sympathetic to broken characters, playing combat in a fairly standard way, telling a joke that didn't land. And then having her private writing leaked and mocked by the group. And when she steps aside for mental health reasons rather than being happy or supportive in anyway that's mocked as a final barb as well.

@0eroTheHammerSlayer

Жыл бұрын

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. If you're telling me your side of the story and I still side with the person you're complaining about, I think you might be the real problem. Not once did OP mention horse girl getting anything she actually wanted but the rest of the party seemed to get so much. Seems like a clash of role playing styles and because she was different she was "the problem"

@tarvoc746

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there is a lot wrong with this story.

@yourpapersplease5000

Жыл бұрын

I already wrote this down in an another comment section, but these stories are definitely influenced by the standings and opinions of the OP, if they are not made up at all.

@chromefox4

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering if I was the only one that thought OP had a stick up their ass. This is one of the reasons I avoid DnD. Op seems like a super try hard who even has a calendar of their characters withdrawal and the horsegirl just wants to mess around with the game.

@WayraHyena

Жыл бұрын

Oh good, someone else already made these points for me. Thank you.

I don't get it: I think having this annoying girls-power and just-out-yourself-what-can-go-wrong?-peptalks sound way more gamebreaky for me than for her talking about her horse shanking some random horse. Seriously: I've seen way worse.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the straw that broke the camel's back.

@benn454

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan That's literally the language OP uses, yeah.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@benn454 Yeah, but it feels like some people don't realize that in these stories. They seem to think only the final nail in the coffin was the reason it was bad rather than everything leading up to it.

@terellcase9231

Жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong but if I were to be running a dnd session like this and on of the players wants to start a storyline about making acceptance more prevalent around the kingdom I'd welcome it as an interesting story thread.

@watermaster5154

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan straw hat broke the camel's back? First my house, then this poor camel!? I'm gonna clobber him 😤

I don't know why I watch some of these videos but the more I watch the more I'm glad I stick to RPing with close friends rather than DnDing with a random group of people.. So much silent judgement and it's apparent the person with different interests are usually unaware no one likes them or their stories, assuming the group acts like everything is fine when it's not and tolerates but that ain't fun for anyone. Talk about anxiety inducing.. And digging up fanfic was horrible in this situation, can people not write fiction how they want when that doesn't affect anyone else? I'm glad I never write my fantasies and only talk with privately to trusted friends...

the content warnings at the beginning was like the side-effects that get listed at the end of an ad for drugs I'm impressed that it even got that bad, jeeze

If they wanted to go out and adventure and have no "soap opera" stuff they should've made their characters be hedge knights, or make their character be in a Daemon Targaryen type situation or something.

OMG this OP.....sigh.....I had to stop the vid mid way...

I don’t see a problem. This sounds really great. Very dynamic between the characters.

I mostly agree that shes creepy, but almost certainly just a broken person that needs real help. I hope she got the help she needed and is doing better.

Not gonna lie, I'd rather play with horse girl than the rest of them. She just sounds lonely and like she's got some issues that basic human decency, and interacting with people who aren't gatekeeping fedors-tippers could fix. And her rampant imagination could make a lot of settings a lot of fun, which is the whole point of the game in the first place. Saying she's a bad person for why she quit being friends with the one girl is a perfect example. People absolutely drift apart due to life circumstances, make mistakes, perspectives change, and then try to be friends again. It's not the end of the world or a mark on her character for her to say she felt like they're too far apart at that point. And me and my friends would absolutely make jokes like getting the horse laid, though not so much the rape dagger. But again, that just takes one comment to correct. Say it makes you uncomfortable, or that no one else finds it funny. DnD isn't the end all be all of the world, and so many of these people just need to go touch grass.

I'm getting big "My party kicked me out with no warning and I'm not angry, I'm hurt" vibes from this post. He gets really gross and kink-shamy with it too. I would not play with the person he describes but my skepticism is fully engaged.

Gatekeeping serves a purpose: to not play with people you don't want to play with. Sometimes gatekeeping is the best way to have people enjoy their time.

Ok, listen, you cannot grasp the level of visceral fear that ran through my body upon hearing "what happens when a horny horse girl"

Am pretty sure critcrab read a trash peice.

Woohoo! New Critcrab video to play while building my porch!

"You want a good girl, but you need a bad horsey" - That one Sandsnake

I love critcrab takes. The comment about “yeah OP is kind of gate keeping but in a minute you’ll wish they hate kept harder” got m

There's an episode of Victorious where two guys take a ballet class to try and hook up with girls, only to realize the class is occupied entirely by guys who had the same plan. I know it isn't true but I can't get it out of my head that that's what happened here, but with the genders flipped and applied to dnd and I can't stop chuckling about it.