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@mrhalo9181

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely grim dark enough

@vanillaicecream2385

2 жыл бұрын

i absolutely love this new production value look, new office and better shots keep up the amazing work and say hi to the kids for me

@stewartthorpe2533

2 жыл бұрын

Well done. Definitely a 40k video being saved for future personal reference. 🙌

@catcadev

2 жыл бұрын

I like it excluding the face and belcher's gland, because of every promotional material and such (faces look nice-ish) and including a belcher's gland without any sort of protective mucus (like in the stomach) seems a bit unrealistic, I am pretty sure if some organs can make you sweat waxy stuff another can make protective mucus for the mouth.

@wesbrown3831

2 жыл бұрын

So you love all the fake fantasy glory of warhammer and buy into almost everything else accept what the story line its based on. YOU ARE KILLING ME SMALLS. STOP WHINING! 😆😅🤣😂 Hey Penny and babies 👋

I like how the anatomically accurate space marine is just fabius bile.

@MidwinterMinis

2 жыл бұрын

There's a Black Library novel just waiting to happen in that comment

@sentientwaffle535

2 жыл бұрын

I read this as biblically accurate space marines, lol

@terminator572

2 жыл бұрын

or Handsome Squidward

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Fabius Bile: "This is what peak performance looks like."

@brotheralaric7177

2 жыл бұрын

well, he experimentated on himself so much he lost his hairs

Really fits into how 'Horus Rising' describes marines as being "horse faced" due to the cocktail of growth hormones.

@lilpretzel5629

2 жыл бұрын

Oh nice detail

@legionxfretensis1010

2 жыл бұрын

What page was that mentioned, because I remember Loken’s remembrancer thinking to herself that Loken becoming a space marine was a waste since he was handsome.

@Phenixtri

2 жыл бұрын

@@legionxfretensis1010 guess that would imply that some marines look horribly disfigured while others look more normal thus also implying that the aspirants original genetics can greatly affect the outcome .... and these are the stable mass produced post humans we are not even talking about the unstable thunder warriors that were as per the fluff way way stronger and faster than modern marines. hell i dont even want to begin to imagine what the thunder warriors would look like in reality considering how shoddy and again unstable their genetic augmentations were when performed on already adult candidates.

@legionxfretensis1010

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phenixtri I think the Thunder Warriors would look like rogue trade space marines with Mk 1 Thunder Armor, in my imagination anyway.

@spaceiguana5066

2 жыл бұрын

God damn it Terra, now I can't escape you on KZread either!

In preparation to the Horus Heresy in plastic I've begun listening to the audibooks of these events, and while watching your video one particular moment was constantly coming to my mind - in the first book, Horus Rising, there's a moment when our protagonist retells the story of how he took part in the war against super-advanced robots. He tells that robots took great care to prtotect the city around them, sometimes ignoring incoming fire only to repair some structures. After marines destroyed all robots and conducted investigation, it turned out that this city was once before a human colony, all humans died, and these robots remained as loyal custodians of the place. When the remembrancer who was listening to this story asked him: "Why did they attack you? Why didn't they think you are their former masters returning home?", he answered: "They did not recognize us as humans".

@BlackViperMWG

2 жыл бұрын

There could be many reasons for that though. Armour, weird proportions, three lungs and two hearts..

@marcelburdon9795

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackViperMWG that’s the point

@traashghost

2 жыл бұрын

i don't know anything about warhammer, damn that's so cool

In regards to the size of the proganoid gland, scale in miniatures (especially GW ones) are often exagerated so it is still quite likely the proganoid isn't that big, however everything else feels spot on

@AddamsFactory69

2 жыл бұрын

100% - That's definitely a 'heroic scale' progenoid gland :)

@MarcusRisingYT

2 жыл бұрын

Also I would have to point out the one in the neck is probably the first one removed. All the books about removing the dead marines one are always sawing into the chest

@Hugme778

2 жыл бұрын

My personal head canon is it expands or fills with liquids apon death of the marine ot keep the gland itself alive or from decaying

@theshuttingdowns

2 жыл бұрын

The progenoid glands of old, in the old RT pictures, are also a lot smaller than the one shown on the mini given, and if you also add in the vials carried by the primaris apothecary, the tennis ball sized 'hero scale' gland would not fit in those

@highmolecularweightRDX

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hugme778 Like it feeds off the corpse to sustain itself, so it's basically separate organism living inside the marine.

Now my headcanon is that most marines do look like this, and is why so many lieutenants and sergeants and the like go without helmets - the one in several hundred who don't look like a Souls NPC have to represent. That might even be how they got their rank.

@elmonko5068

2 жыл бұрын

Rules for promotion 1: prove yourself in combat as a capable warrior and leader 2: no uggos

@mrleggy2936

2 жыл бұрын

@@elmonko5068 that is fascinating idea from a propaganda standpoint. I mean, all space marines are meant to be self sufficient tactical prodigies, so the amount of command they actually need in the field is probably minimal

@thehomie962

2 жыл бұрын

good point. Atleast in the HH novels i've read, often times they describe the higher ranking marines as being handsome, or looking like the primarch.

@ryanst-georges4633

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehomie962 They are probably handsome because they look more like their primarch, and thus are closer genetically to them. So the intelligence and power also come more To the space marine. More handsome=closer to primarch=more similar to primarch=smarter and stronger

@DominusGary

2 жыл бұрын

My head canon is that since the biscopea is meant to regulate the ossmodula it keeps this video from happening

Quite a few times in the Horus Heresy, Space Marine faces are described as "horse-like", and I think you have really captured the twisted, distorted version of humanity those descriptions conjure up.

I'll make a guess that when they remove one of the Gene seeds they do in fact take the one in the neck and leave the one in the torso for once they die. Reasoning for it is that the rib cage would help protecting it instead of leaving it vulnerable on the side of the neck.

@therealcrisis8439

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I thought. It actually makes sense in the way the process was written down if you think about it. I don't know who was involved in the creation of the original document, but they did put a lot of thought and effort into this.

@minion236

2 жыл бұрын

i had always thought that the aspirant would receive zygotes grown from the geneseed of a fallen marine and that after completing the implantation process, two were geneseed would be growing inside the aspirant to be havested upon death

@BlackViperMWG

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly how it happens. Progenoid in the chest is extracted when Astartes dies.

@blandedgear9704

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackViperMWG Sometimes, extracting the progenoid in the chest is what kills them. In Brothers of the Snake, a dying marine's progenoid gland gets ripped out, and the apothecary deliberately doesn't mercy-kill them first, so that they will die knowing that the chapter's future is preserved. The marine bleeds to death from getting opened up like that- it was really grim.

@mintyfreshmetagross5437

2 жыл бұрын

That's why apothecary models have drills and saws all over them, the neck progenoid is pretty easy to extract early, but the chest progenoid only gets removed when the marine is near death, typically on the battlefield. Gotta be able to cut through the armor and bones quickly and efficiently.

This is awesome! One thing to consider is that the models and figures created by GW seem to 'balloon' up in order to make printing some fine details possible. For instance you can think of the new Horus Heresy marines. If they were true-scale their bayonets would be thinner than toothpicks or paperclips. They would look like stiletto knives if they were able to produce details like that. So perhaps the gland that servant of chaos is holding also got the balloon treatment? Relying on them for scale may carry that over into future diagrams

@tapioperala3010

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely got the balloon treatment. Models shouldn't be looked at 1:1, as I'm sure Guy knows because of painting, but for some reason he didn't use here

@Phenixtri

2 жыл бұрын

indeed this is why on table top we differentiate model scales in 28mm as either "heroic scale" or "historic scale" as the former has the ballooned up features for easier ish tabletop painting while the latter is more true scale and often used for dioramas but can also be used for tabletop along side heroic scale 28mm minies. I do this for my ww2 early war Polish bolt action tabletop army using warlord games minis in heroic scale along side historic scale minis made by Kromlech.

@ecMonify

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, was thinking the exact same thing

Honestly apart from the face being gaunt and bald along with the neck protrusion, this is how I've always imagined Astartes being. Overall function over form, just as a living weapon should be.

@FlameQwert

2 жыл бұрын

the balding at age 19 can even be linked to why most marines are bald: better to just shave it off than let prematurely aged hair wither and interfere with helmets

Somr astartes legions may have unique traits that can affect the "level of handsome" you could say. I would say the blood angels, ultramarines and emperors children are probably the lucky ones. However the rest of the legions are often described as having ugly features. Aspirants are also often said to look horrible. I can also guess some space marines under go facial reconstruction.

@casanovafunkenstein5090

2 жыл бұрын

Guess they could also be wearing masks. They're basically Darkman at this point, so why not that too. I suppose you could also make the argument that their regular appearance is a manifestation of the will of The Emporer, keeping the true horror of his post-human eugenics program concealed.

@spencerruston406

2 жыл бұрын

Makes you think just how disgusting chaos marines made after the Horus Heresy would look. Something like the stuff in the old artworks of Fabius Bile's experiments.

@MidwinterMinis

2 жыл бұрын

You mean there's a geneseed version of the Ugly Tree? :)

@f1r3hydr4nt

2 жыл бұрын

@@spencerruston406 Don't forget some of the old Blanche and Rogue Trader art where almost all the Astartes look like absolute monstrosities with drawn and taut faces over seemingly disfigured faces.

@rorythomas9469

2 жыл бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis Blood Angels aspirants specifically go through a process called “Insanguination” where they bathe in the blood of Sanguinius, which explicitly makes them beautiful.

i always liked the idea that it's all meant to be covered in armour so the attractive face is for properganda like everything under the hood is fucked but they need to look like perfect warriors

@connormclernon26

2 жыл бұрын

Except there’s multiple times where they show space marines not wearing helmets. I’d say part of the whole “trans human dread” is having to see what’s under the helmet

@LewisB3217

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not at all, some marines are handsome, just like us in real life, some are ugly, some legions will even shift their appearance as a Astartes (subtly changing towards Sanguinius or Horus, for example.)

@ecMonify

2 жыл бұрын

what about all accounts of astartes without their armour on, described as having the bodies of gods by the people that see them? :P

@balazszsigmond826

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecMonify if you think about it, you can awe at the sight of a gorilla or at the sight of a tree. If an astartes is sufficiently different from a human, but is fearsome, you might be able to see the "body of a god" in them. Imperial citizens are used to some very gross things as normal. Maybe the disfigured body of a space marine is an improvement.

@RageTyrannosaurus

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecMonify Not all gods are beautiful. Just look at Hephaestus or Xipe Totec (Xipe Totec is known as the flayed god).

I always imagined Thunder Warriors would be like this with how crude and disposable they were made. With how aesthetically obsessed the Emperor was with propaganda I'd imagine the hormonal stuff in the early years was tinkered with a lot alongside minor cosmetic correction surgeries to not make the astartes too hideous. Something you wouldn't see in chaos legions leading to even more abhorrent looking chaos legionnaires. The remembrancers would have had a hard time making propaganda with mutated brutes for their picts

@bentaylor809

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, to me this is a thunder warrior. But the space marines wouldn't look too inhuman, they're moulded in the image of their primarchs aftersll

@mochristie5419

2 жыл бұрын

i feel thunder warriors would look somehow less grisly- they aren't grown they are edited with sculpting muscle and bone in and on. Growth and hormonal changes that give long term strangeness make me think far more about astartes than thunder warriors- a thunder warrior should be almost small chassis but lots of muscle bundled on after- astartes grow into it

@x3tc1

2 жыл бұрын

@@bentaylor809 Only a small fraction of marines have their appearance changed towards that of their primarchs. And even then according to "Horus Rising" this was only happening in a hand full of legions. The regular marines are described as "horse faced".

@SarajevoKyoto

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who questions Imperial propaganda gets a bullet to the face, it doesn't matter what the truth is if everyone's too terrified to tell the Emperor he has no clothes. Or in this case, humanoid monstrosities that have more in common with an Ork than a baseline human.

@artemiscrimson

2 жыл бұрын

Idk if it’s the same everywhere but if someone says horse faced it just means, broad and flat faced? It’s not flattering but most of the chiselled marines we see I would count as that

Man you weren't lying when you said this was gonna be a good video, this is seriously my jam, well done man, this was brilliant. My one addition would be that a space marine has to be much much wider than a normal man, to have any real articulation in heavy armour plate, your shoulders have to stick out much much father than your waist, with minimal lats, just to accommodate the thickness of plate

I'm on crap mobile data and I am DESPERATE to watch this, it's only my two favourite 40k creators collaborating!!

@MidwinterMinis

2 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes, but when are you going to smash my Orks with your Orks? THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, SIMON

@Goblinoiddoof

2 жыл бұрын

It is indeed what the people want to see, Simon

@SimonClark

2 жыл бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis let them enjoy their vacation on Moana LoWAAAAGGH and then they'll come to play!

@ElvesofZion

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of you while watching this. You should find a doc to do a collab video and review the medical science of it all

as a fellow MD (say hi to Penny please) I find this quite interesting and I love your anatomical drawings. One little minor, maybe over critical thing is the missing or inaccurate portrait of the duodenum in most of them which should be better visible in this view. But really, the drawings and the background makes this highly enjoyable, very authentic and yells high production value all over.

@MidwinterMinis

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yeah, I probably spent way too long on those drawings considering each of them was only on screen for 30 seconds or so, haha

@NightfallTH

2 жыл бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis very well worth it! good job!

I always figured the Betcher’s Gland was similar to those salivary glands under the tongue that allow you and I to “glick” and squirt saliva like a cobra.

this is great guy. thanks! The HH novel "Pharos" has scout marines in it. The book constantly describes the strangeness of the appearace of developing astartes that arent hidden in their power armour. That helped drive home the body horror of the space marine development really well.

Horrifyingly fantastic! Absolutely love it. I had no idea how scary they would actually look, thanks for the insight, Guy! Rest in peace Steel Angel John. You will forever be missed

Fantastic video. Someone pointed me in your direction in the comments from my latest video and I am glad that I ventured over. Wonderful work!

Love this Guy. Not much of the literature identifies how seriously messed up marines could actually be given what they go through... I believe the first series of 40K novels (the ones with Inquisitor Jaques Draco) featured a marine (Imperial Fist if I recall) who practiced scrimshaw on his own finger bones by peeling the flesh off and engraving the bones underneath. He later removes one of his own eyes and inserts the “third eye” of a navigator to find his way to the Aeldari Black Library

I think taking Fabius Biles henchmen for scale is a little bit unfair. Especially as the scale of the models is wildly inconsistent across the range (there is no way 8 Terminators fit inside a Land Raider Crusader). Progenoids could also be walnut size or similar, but scaling that down to 32 mm would make it barely visible.

@reddragon4482

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Space marines are like 8 foot and fucking massive anyway lol. A golf ball sized implant probably wouldn't even stick out at all they are that big lol.

@ariandynas

2 жыл бұрын

Actually given how tightly packed *Real* APCs are...

As an anatomist/physiologist and 40k fan, this was super cool to see! Definitely did your homework! I wonder if the mucranoid gland secretions might protect the mouth from acid in the same way that mucus protects our stomach lining.

@ariandynas

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like this one was a step too far.

@benjaminjack867

2 жыл бұрын

@@ariandynas Could be a case of the horrors that could ensue if one organ were to fail and the precisely balanced system started to fall apart. I can imagine a hideously mutated loyalist chapter if they've been without access to medical care/apothecaries for a length of time.

@victorylatheworks873

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichalNemet I've always kind of imagined that it was kind of like Aliens, with their acid blood...kind of immune to their own acid so to speak, otherwise an Alien would just collapse into a puddle of its own goo the second it matured enough to have its own blood

@AzraelGenesis

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorylatheworks873 I can see that. Whether naturally immune or by effect of the mucranoid gland, either works by my reckoning.

@03dashk64

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this was one of the two things I didn’t agree with. The glands aren’t always going. They have to be turned on. Also, the marine is immune to their own glands. The other thing was the progenoid, but many people have mentioned that :)

I LOVE the space marines, i love how badass and cool they look. But I really wish there was more games related to other factions. I'd love to play a whole game as a Necron Overlord, Tau Battlesuit or Aeldari Farseer etc.. Playing from the view of other factions and how they see other factions

@Square_Planar

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the PS2 classic Warhammer 40,000: Fire Warrior. Play as a young Shas'la fighting against the Imperium. It has terrible reviews but I enjoyed it as a teenager.

@AcornPlays

2 жыл бұрын

Mechanicus is a turn based strategy game where you control Admech

@davidtrujillo1689

2 жыл бұрын

You have on its way dark tide, where you play as inquisitorial agents, two veteran guardsmen, a zealot and an orgryn.

So...are we saying the lumpiness of the old 80s sculpts may be partially intentional (old less accurate techniques aside)?

This is awesome but strikes me as strange for a few reasons. The Space Marine went through many variations, in the lore, and we know that Terra was covered in horrific genetically modified supersoldiers as well- grotesque and unrefined in ways the space marines were not. While earlier gene-hanced warriors were basically just enduced growth conditions, the DNA of the marines were modelled after the Primarchs, shifting to better represent them. Its why, I think, the space marines don't look overgrown, but just as bigger humans, specifically because the growth is to a pattern, not just for the hell of it. Further, I would imagine the teeth would be fused to the jaw, strengthened in similar ways or replaced. The Blood Angels are an excellent example- their bodies are modelled after the Primarch so they are all stunningly beautiful. But in ways that'd worse because all the horror is hidden away, just under the surface. RT marines feel like what the Thunder Warriors became, so I'd think this final drawing is closer to what a thunder warrior would lilook like. But still, fantastic work as always my dude

@littlejohn8435

2 жыл бұрын

In gene splicing, there are always the more compatible and the less compatible ones. The more compatible ones will almost look like bigger humans and similar to their primarchs while the less compatible ones will look like the one on the video. Good thing is the Primarch genes also adapt depending on where they grew up. Convergent to the baseline gene of his homeworld. But if a chapter recruits from different worlds, then almost all will likely look like the one on the video. The reason the Blood Angels look beautiful may mean Sanguinius gene have a large range of adaptability to any baseline gene no matter how mutated the baseline gene is.

@stefan020290

2 жыл бұрын

@@littlejohn8435 I think they told in one of the Horus Heresy Books that the gene seed of the respective primarch more of less changes the features of the marines to resemble their primarch in some way. That's also the reason why all salamanders have jet black skin and glowing red eyes.

@kalyambamhango4548

2 жыл бұрын

@@littlejohn8435 Well. Compatibility in space marin s means that they would be reshaped into an image of their primarch. And a less compatible aspirant would most likely die because of the transfiguration process.

@Sara3346

2 жыл бұрын

Well some of them do get fairly grotesque looking like the Black Dragons, I get the impression this is unusual though?

@bentaylor809

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sara3346 yes. Gene seed mutation, like any mutation, is rarely this horrific. But often when it goes wrong, it goes very wrong

Wow, Midwinter Minis/Arbitor Ian collab, that's two of my favorite WH-related channels working together! Now, one thing you definitely should do - record a combined WH candles and beer review, while playing some WH. That'd be a pinnacle, nothing will get better than that. Ever.

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

And wearing WH bathrobes, surrounded by giant Nurgling plushies?

@ReubenAotearoa_

2 жыл бұрын

If there are giant plushies then it kinda feels that Snipe + Wib should be involved too. And that could be dangerous: an oldhammer singularity would probably engulf the city.

@nickkowalski5209

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArbitorIan I don't know, you'll have to confirm with Penny - it's starting to sound more like a sybarite orgy, not a product review. Then again, that's a perfect way the review WH bathrobes (any bathrobes, frankly)

I really love these drawings, reminds me of cross between John Blanche and Quentin Blake. Would be great to see them in some official 40k content. Definitely buying a copy of that "Post-Vitruvian Man" print; It's going to have pride of place on wall above my painting bench :)

@MidwinterMinis

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan! I'm nowhere near the artist Blanche and Blake are, but I was pretty happy with that final piece!

@danollerenshaw8410

2 жыл бұрын

@blahblahblah1312 Lol, I just said I like the style. Not that it was professional

18:23 In retrospect, I thought it would be easy for the apothecaries to harvest the progenoid. Also, screw you for questioning my work! I'm the Emperor of Mankind! I can do what I want!

love the reimagining of space marines, where lore meets realism. i would love to see other content from the lore reimagined like this! keep up the amazing work!

Really amazing vídeo!! A different look at the style of space marines that is always refreshing!!

Not super much into 40k usually but this was super interesting and I have to say that it perhaps sparked something inside! Well done Guy and Ian! 👍🙂

After this, they’d better keep their helmets on. Edit: Also, if they’re a Raven Guard or Imperial Fist, they won’t have any problems with the Betcher’s Gland, since it doesn’t work.

@stefan020290

2 жыл бұрын

If I am not mistaken, Space Wolves also lack that organ and have the Canis Helix instead.

@abelbabel8484

2 жыл бұрын

Just cause an organ doesn't work does not mean you won't have any problems with it - if only that were true in real life!

@lt.branwulfram4794

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelbabel8484 If you can't spit acid, your mouth won't get f-ked up. Good thing too, since Primaris Space Marines get a strength boost to their teeth that pretty much makes the Betcher's Gland irrelevant. It allows them to bite through strong metal cables like Mars Bars and punch holes in thick alloys.

@thenerfkid9228

Жыл бұрын

@@abelbabel8484 i mean they could kinda just get the useless tumor removed or not put into the body in the first place Im talking about the gland in the first place

11:56 I agree, but there was this novelization of the Wolverine Weapon X story, where because of Wolverines healing factor, it was making it harder for them to sedate him, or to operate on him, or even keep him shaved so they just sort of stop trying and just have to butcher into him. So maybe that’s why? I’d figure the apothecary would have drugs to prevent it from going off since if they are hit with some kind of toxin that instant clotting would be bad (like what if those clots came loose and then got stuck in the hearts or lungs? Sounds like a bad time)

Really interesting, and quite fitting with the "mutilating hand of war" aesthetic that is almost completely absent outside of 40k fiction. However I think we can also safely argue that the "corrective surgeries" that Ian pointed out in the early videos, as well as the more controlled nature of the interventions, would be in part designed to eliminate or at least ameliorate the problems you've pointed to. But as someone else pointed out, this does have a very strong Thunder Warrior vibe

Wouldn’t it be a stretch to assume the gene seed is the size of the proportions in a miniature model? Cause some compromises have to be made usually make some elements bigger so people can see them better or it’s easier to paint.

@Aconspiracyofravens1

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, something too small would be hard to paint

@abelbabel8484

2 жыл бұрын

Fair point, but a big ass bulging knob of flesh is grimdarker than a neat little nodule.

@Rulytasho

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelbabel8484 imo it seems more “just silly” than “grimdark silly” Still 40k isn’t subtle with their designs, so what do I know? :B

Probably my 300th skillshare ad, first one that actually made me click the link. Well done

That was amazingly unnerving well done.

That was an amazing video. I think it REALLY sums up the grim dark nature of the space marines and makes them that much more awe-inspiring. A job well done!

This was an amazing production and really interesting, I can just imagine how terrifying the space marines in this concept would be.

14 operations between age 10 and 18... the first thing that came to mind was my nephew with Scoliosis, who will have to endure 36 spine correction operations by the time he is 18 or 19 I believe. He has already had 18, he just hit the halfway point this year. He is 12 years old.

Awesome, would love to see a mini sculpted in this brutal fashion, like mid-armor assembly or something, 75mm perhaps? :)

@WhiterThanAginger

2 жыл бұрын

KZreadr Eric’s Hobby Workshop sculpted a space marine head for one of the action figures, while not as gruesome the scult has the pronounced brow and chin that come with gigantism.

This is so cool! Two of my favorite 40k content creators!! Love it!

Fantastic video! Been following Ian for some time now - in fact it was him that got me interested in 40K again - so it's wonderful to see you guys together.

Noice, really drives home that grim, dark future vibe. I would have been tempted to push the grotesqueness even more to be honest, but they have to look like they fit in the armor, don't they.

I'd imagine that the hormones that promote their muscular growth, also causes hyper virilisation on top of the acromegaly. So visually some lateral jaw growth, strong masculine hair growth, and the male pattern baldness, which you absolutely nailed.

Absolutely one of the funnest videos I've seen. I watch both of your channels. It's helped me through some pretty rough days. Thank you so much.

Great collab and idea. Some of the lore in wh is absolutely nuts and yall did an awesome job

The new mixing of the End Credit Theme is brilliant. Last year in a stream you mentioned you might release the End Credit Theme in its own album with some remixes. I'm here to tell you, once again, I would buy it :)

That's funny how I discovered Ian the other day, and here he is in this channel! A pleasant surprise 😁

This is awesome, I really liked the designs and the video was great!

Incredible! What a great and creative project! I hope you continue to be inspired to do something like this! There is never too much darkness in Warhammer!

Seeing as their Spitting acid gland isn't working, I can confidently say that the Imperial Fist are now the most handsome Space Marines there is. All jokes aside, I think for once the mini's heads are much more accurate than people give it credit for. Yes they aren't as emaciated and their mouths aren't that destroyed but most of them are bald with heavy jaws, heavy cheek bones, and heavy superciliary arch (without the eyebrow) witch are quite reminiscent of people like Andre the Giant. Most of the heads barring the Blood angels ones, are Bald or with very short hairs witch are quite realistic in an (albeit sci-fi) army where you have to learn to tend your hair and hairs. Sure with GW prime and proper paint scheme they look quite nice (that and the fact that all their head looks like space marines ones whether you look at a Marine an Imperial Guard or a Sister of Battle), but with a little bit of shadows and a more proper Grimdark/Blanchitsu paint job anyone can easily achieve that battered look on a regular SM head. But everyone uses Helmets anyway so who cares ? ^^.

I’m perfectly fine with a lot of space marines looking like this, but like emperors children, blood angels, salamanders, world eaters, I feel like all of them look like exactly how they should

This was an awesome video, and that is a pretty gnarly Marine there. :D

Love it. Cracking work guys

Given their immense size and weight, their knees would be in absolute agony, I’d imagine they’d also need a new type of knee to help support their weight and maybe even have more elephantine shaped feet. Of course I dunno if that’s in the lore or not but something I thought about

@abelbabel8484

2 жыл бұрын

That's a very good point, their joints and especially knees and ankles would have terrible wear. Maybe their crazy good healing can keep them fit, though.

I see your point, this was great to see pieced together and drawn so well by yourself! But I do think if the Ad Mech and ol' Fabius are able to double the organs in a genetically manipulated and augmented body they can do a little bit of plastic surgery touch up after the fact so the symbols of the Imperium aren't drooling, gaunt, nightmares.

Amazing video, i'd like to see more of content like this!

Excellent video on what Space Marines could be compared to how they are represented in models and art. Makes sense that the legend masks the reality of their existence. Really enjoyed all the drawings and the Vetruvian Marine illustratoin is awesome. Well done.

I love the sketches, it feels more at home with the original artwork. It's sad that GW these days wants to clean up the look and remove the grungy aspects of the game. I think those aesthetics is what makes the setting more interesting. It would be like removing the grungy aesthetics of Bladerunner's LA and expecting folks to vibe with its noir overtones in a bright or sunny visual aesthetic.

I just chacked your channel this morning wandering when will you upload and there you go! Great video guy!

This is top quality content!!! What an original idea and very well executed.

I like how we can take this image and think that this is the “cannon” way they look like but the marine’s we see today are actually in universe imperial propaganda of what they want the people of the galaxy to think their stoic champion’s look like

@JohnPC00

2 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't be too far fetched, but I think GW can't decide whether 40k has no good guys or SM are awesome, perfect poster boys of heroism and honour.

Great video, I'm also a big fan of Arbitor Ian. I love that you used this as a chance to create something rather than just speculate on what a space marine should look like.

Best collaboration ever. Quality channel!!!!!!!!!!!

almost like a space marine de-imagining since it's based on the old 80s & 90s lore

This is absolutely gruesome. My god. I usually like to depict my marines as more sympathetic creatures, but very easily swayed and tainted by... chaos or the influence of the Eccliesiarchy. This though? This is truly the most darkest depiction of Marines ive seen, youve always been an utter machine with these depictions. I must ask though, with how horribly disfigured the marine has become, would his armour change at all? Would his armour act more like an iron maiden/casket or is he allowed to remove his pieces?

@MidwinterMinis

2 жыл бұрын

Originally I wanted to do 2 pieces of artwork, the one I made in this video, and one of the restyled armour... but I ran out of time, haha. Maybe I'll make a part 2!

@bughuntwilson5937

2 жыл бұрын

Do it

Awesome to see you and Ian collaborating, two of my favorite KZreadrs, hope you guys plan on doing more together

I remember reading about the making of a Space Marine in the 8th edition Space Marine codex and imagined the designer as something like the medic from Team Fortress 2 jamming organs into bodies like Orks building their ramshackle guns and vehicles

First of all, great video, love the idea and content, and REALLY love the artwork, so please don’t think I’m criticizing your work, Guy. But I thought of a couple things in regards to your comment at how Space Marines appear to all be gigachads in the grim darkness of the far future. One, it’s not implausible to think of the video games and books where they are described and shown like this as Imperial propaganda. The Imperium as a whole would want their citizens to look upon the God-Emperor’s creation in awe, rather than horror, and considering how few and far between Space Marines are, it’s not too big a stretch to say that the people exposed to said propaganda would never get the chance to see a real Space Marine to compare it to. Because, remember, the Astartes are the God-Emperor’s angels, reflections of him, so the Imperium would want to portray them as beautiful. Two, and this one is a bit more in universe, consider the following. We know that the Emperor himself was the ultimate gigachad, chiseled features, glorious hair, physically beautiful to look upon. We know the same is true (mostly) for the Primarchs, especially ones like Sanguinius, Guilliman, and others. Since Space Marines are made from the geneseed of their Primarch fathers, it could be possible that, once the process is complete, the geneseed actually seeps in and makes the Space Marines look more noble and beautiful than they ought to after so many surgeries. And we know this is possible thanks to the Horus Rising novel, where one of the Luna Wolves is described as looking almost like an exact clone of Horus Lupercal.

@SarajevoKyoto

2 жыл бұрын

I'd be very cautious about those points. Well, except for the "gigachads are Imperial propaganda" bit, we KNOW thats true. We know canonically the Emperor passively mind-rapes those around him into mindless devotion, his physical appearance being part of that. He takes on the appearance the observer finds most pleasing/inspiring. The Primarchs were tinkered with all the way down to the atomic level when they were but a single cell, then fused with Warp energy and a bunch of other Age of Strife tech until they met Emps specifications, so they're basically humanoid shaped xenos/Daemon hybrids. Your regular Marine though was human when it all began, so without breaking the body down into slurry and rebuilding cell by cell, there are limits on what you can create from such a template.

Fascinating! A lot of the current imperium does look like something the imperial propaganda came up compared to the old RT lore, or some of the fluff so It was lovely to watch it reimagined in such dark and grizzled way. It is quite refreshing in general to see frequently used things (like the current space marine) reimagined in curious ways. PS: truly tough 16th’s. I am past 16 years for a good while and I still can’t quit complaining about dentist appointments. 😅😄

Great video, also the ambient music in your videos is always on point. Thank you

Those are some great drawings! Nice work 😁

Imperials: "You bunch of ugly xenos, mutants and heretics!" Literally everyone else in the universe AND in the Warp: "YOU BLOODY HYPOCRITE!" Nurgle: "Looks fine to me..." Fabius Bile: "Amateurs..."

i've never understood the fusing of the ribs, in doing this you loose almost all flexibility in the torso. Why not have a second set of ribs that is offset from the originals to fill in behind the gaps where the muscles are thus making the equivalent of a solid plate but retaining flexability

@Aconspiracyofravens1

2 жыл бұрын

alternatively you could add the second (or third!) layer on top as cybernetic implants that can unfold to stab people like mantis blades from cyberpunk mixer with volatiles from dying light. Why? Because it would be fucking sick

@abelbabel8484

2 жыл бұрын

There are real diseases where bones fuse or soft tissues ossify (often the spine and hips, it's actually a terrible condition), so to fuse a ribcage solid you just have to induce that disease and monitor its progression. Pretty realistic. Growing a whole another set of ribs would mean restarting and redoing a chapter of fetal development in the adolescent, which is genetically and medically wildly absurd. So I think the answer is that it's easier to do, and maybe they don't need the flexibility anyway when in their armours.

@azrael1045

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelbabel8484 and adding a second heart and a 3rd lung among all the other implants/additional material isn't absurd?

@abelbabel8484

2 жыл бұрын

@@azrael1045 I mean we do heart/lung/kidney transplants irl all the time, so no. All you have to do is perform a transplantation on someone without removing the original.

@azrael1045

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelbabel8484 and an immune system as strong as a space marine's... there isn't enough immunosuppressants in the world that would make that work

This was great fun. Thank you for sharing this.

Yesss two of my favourite 40k channels that always make the hobby feel inclusive and welcoming

I love the look! In lore, I imagine this is how the Thunder Warriors may have looked; considering the Emperor took a much longer time perfecting the space marines into the giga chads we know them as today.

I'm a simple man. I see Arbitor Ian, I click like.

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

Once again I'm so grateful for a community like this!

This is an incredible reimagining, especially with the size and musculature. I was surprised by your version of the Lyman’s Ear, making it a grafted machine instead of a grown human ear. In the lore of the space marines, the organs working in conjunction would also improve the aging of the space marine to be able to live significantly longer. This might be the reason that most are also seen as handsome and rugged, their gene seed working to stop the premature aging from the beginning and getting better as more implants are… well, implanted 😂

love how the old lore gives it a more grounded look. also no wonder so many chapters "lose" the belcher's gland haha

I always preferred the description of space Marines in Horus Rising. Relatively ugly, evidence of gigantism and, of course, the smell... Always seemed more realistic and grim. Unlike the supermen of today

@____________838

2 жыл бұрын

That point came from the remembrancers, right?

@tea-sus8722

2 жыл бұрын

The smell?

Awesome collaboration, and terrifying sketches!

Beautiful collab! Love these channels!

This is cool but your missing some key information. Even though I disagree with what you have surmised, I LOVE THE IDEA and topic. Once again you rock, Guy. Acromegaly is an uneven growth of bones, hands, and face. IT literally kills many people that have it over time because a lack of homeostasis that is so important in humans and most biological beings. Acromegaly more often takes a huge toll on the heart, that did not grow large enough to compensate for the huge overgrowth of the rest of the body. The uneven growth would be the problem but with all the surgeries it, crafting they would grow evenly Many of the of diseases that would be considered overgrowth (Simpson-Golabi-Behmel syndrome, Proteus syndrome, Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome) could be fixed if the body actually had its natural homeostasis and the body compensated for it. Considering they live hundreds of years, it seems safe to assume the bodies would have a natural harmony. More likely with there advanced healing or rapid healing, would leave slight weird discoloring and their overgrowth would be more similar to mild "Simpson-Golabi-Behmel syndrome" attributes, such as enlarged mouths, widening of the eyes, etc. Some of the more aggressive disorders would be closer to chaos where they affect the homeostasis and have discoloring and growths. In general if you looked at the space marines from a distance they would look like large humans, but when closer they would seem completely alien. It would be very disquieting, because humans without knowing it, look for certain physical dimensions and they would all be off. The progenoid gland is good call out, but I have a problem with this. Having such an important seed, one that is responsible for growing new space marines hanging so far out would be illogical. If you were going for the whole grimdark angle, it's right in front of your face. Although they are the "Emperor's Angels" Looking at them would be the most "Uncanny Valley effect," for humans. It would disturb you seeing them.

@davidtrujillo1689

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, “Be not afraid” am I right? But space marines only take off their helmets in front of regular humans when there’s like a war room or strategic planing and even that’s weird for some. In helsreach the princeps Zarha acknowledged how important for Grimaldus was to remove his helmet in front of someone outside his chapter. So I think is safe to assume that most humans only get to see an angry helmet.

Doesn't the primarch's geneseed space marines get implanted with cause them to look more like their gene-father, thus perhaps negating some of the horrible exterior looks?

That looks freaking wild! I've kind of always imagined them giving off (book version) Frankenstein's monster vibes, but this looks terrifying! Awesome work

Such a cool concept. Amazing video :)

I always loved the idea that the progenoids were these tiny, delicate little things that were very unassuming and yet held so much potential power... and then they made them the size of cricket balls and covered in Cthulhu willies

@abelbabel8484

2 жыл бұрын

I imagined them smooth, pale white and egg-shaped. Space marine eggs, basically lol

@thomasrevill7723

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelbabel8484 The image of a Space Marine hen has now entered my mind and I want it gone

Good fun exercise Guy! One thing you did miss though is that the Astartes develop to look a bit like their Primarch. e.g. the blood angels look like Michelangelo's David, Raven Guard look like emos, etc.

Definitely the collab I wanted to see. My two favourite Warhammer channels.

Really cool video, thanks guys.

Snipe & Wib also make great vids on all the old 2nd edition codexes. The codex compliant series

I always imagined them as having relatively normal sized heads completely disproportionate to their massive bodies. The Emperor, beloved by all, solved for acromegaly when making his Astartes.

An unexpected collaboration but a welcome one! Really enjoyed that. Can I suggest that for a future video Guy tries to talk Ian out of just airbrushing everything? :-D

I appreciate the real genetic conditions of giantism, to shape a "marine" And people nagged at GW for the plastic Scouts having huge jaws? Critics were wrong: the sculptors where right.

Me (at the beginning) - Come on Guy, you've had some interesting takes but I don't understand this one Guy - Space Marines are too heroicly portrayed and over done. Me - MOTHERFRELLER YES!!!!!!!! THEY AREN'T TODD DAMNED HEROES, THEY ARE KILLING MACHINES!!!!! Why does GW keep trying to make them appear like they are Batman or Captain America or.......(sees a pile of money) that's why. Edit - I absolutely love the design in the end, my one question though is what about chapters like those of Sanguinius where a defining trait is looking as beautiful as their primarch? Or is this not considering that and going off IRL stuff? Cause either way, I would rather this be the depicition. Imagine playing a Guardsman in a video game and every once in a while a Space Marine roles up and saves your ass. At one point its helmet gets ripped off and it is more horrifying than the Orks it is tearing apart. And notice I said IT instead of HE. That isn't a human anymore. That is an Astartes.

@Jason-gq8fo

2 жыл бұрын

They appear as hero’s because to the imperium they are hero’s

@shadowofhawk55

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jason-gq8fo If a Meth Addict kills a Rapist and becomes a hero in the community does that suddenly fix his teeth?

Two of my favourite channels together......absolutely class