10 years ago if someone asked me if I’d like to spend some of my day off watching dudes clean old computers, I’d look at them like they were crazy. But here I am....!

@cbw56

3 жыл бұрын

exactly same here lol

@doodles113

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

@BilisNegra

3 жыл бұрын

While you love the stuff onscreen but almost despise, or at least don't care much about the much more capable, however humble, computer you're watching this on (a nearly 8 yr old beaten-up laptop I got for 70 bucks a couple of years ago in my case).

@milklordnomadic

10 ай бұрын

10 years ago people were looking at me crazy for watching dudes mess with old computers on the internet 😅

The hardest part: do not allow myself to be distracted by the cat-business happenings so being able to focus on the computer ;)

@TommyAgramonSeth

3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. "Wow, this computer is rea- KITTY!"

@TheSulross

3 жыл бұрын

or just decide that this is really more so a cat video than a vintage computer video

@BertGrink

3 жыл бұрын

If you can pull that off, you have stronger willpower than me.

@allentoyokawa9068

Жыл бұрын

My cat died today..

Gotta love how 75% of the comments are about Shelby's cat (completely understandable!)

Petition to start a Cat Tangents channel. I need more cat in my life.

@ps5hasnogames55

3 жыл бұрын

get a girlfriend then

@jaywing9764

3 жыл бұрын

@@ps5hasnogames55 Giggity

@rommix0

2 жыл бұрын

@@ps5hasnogames55 Ba-dum-tsssssh

@patricktrakzel9657

Жыл бұрын

@@ps5hasnogames55 And her name should be Catherine.

At 14:38 you mention using ddrescue for failing drives in the future but IMO when doing preservation you should always assume that the drive is failing and just start with ddrescue. You never know when the drive might fail and you might only have one shot! Booting the drive was also really risky and put a bunch of wear on the drive. Loving the videos, keep it up!

@Ptero4

2 жыл бұрын

Came here exactly to mention ddrescue.

Какой толстый шикарный котэ! What a fat, adorable cat!

@JarosawSzadkowski

3 жыл бұрын

And yes! The cat is adorable ;)

@BilisNegra

3 жыл бұрын

It does very much live the typical home cat life, without absolutely any care in the world.

@AmstradExin

3 жыл бұрын

You have one lick, cat. Make it count!

@gilah6565

3 жыл бұрын

Еще бы не лез куда не просят)

Am I the only one who noticed that cats are often in computer videos. LGR, David does tech, Craft Computing, and a few outgers I can't remember. I'm not saying it's bad, but its funny

@ptzzz

3 жыл бұрын

Did you mean Dawid Does Tech Stuff? I agree with the cats being around on the vids are kinda funny.

@visu7135

3 жыл бұрын

the 8 bit guy too

@Okurka.

3 жыл бұрын

That's why they have to clean out their computers so often.

@visu7135

3 жыл бұрын

@@Okurka. No. Dust always collects too fast. No matter how many pets you have.

@schmatzler

3 жыл бұрын

Cathode Ray Dude also features his cat quite often. :D

The cat’s tail startled me good st the start of this!

This is really great. Sony VAIOs, both desktops and especially laptops, stood out in the late '90s and early 2000s. In an era of generic beige boxes, Sony's design team was just on fire. Those systems were so pretty. They charged you about a $1000 premium versus what everyone else was charging for the same components, too. As a result, it never really made sense to plunk down the extra money (at least not for me as a young adult gamer, as money was tight). Yet the design aesthetics that Sony had going for its VAIO line were incredible. This video really brings the nostalgia, and isn't that the point of this hobby? Great video.

That vocal protest from the kitty

I thought you'd missed some spots while you were cleaning the case. Turns out I just really need to clean my monitor.

Kitteh be like: No, dammit, I AM THE STAR HERE!!! Fetch me a Mahi Mahi steak human!!! By the by, about the only thing that system needs is a PCI Voodoo 3 and you'd have an awesome little glide pc.

the PS4 took inspiration from this design 😂

@StrawberryServal

3 жыл бұрын

Well they're both a Sony! Quite a time gap though...

@amirpourghoureiyan1637

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say more the PSX dvr, but I can see where you're coming from though

@genzo53

3 жыл бұрын

You meant *PS5

@MuscarV2

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, a box standing... It's as "similar" to a white Xbox as what you "think". It doesn't even work as a joke because it's so dumb. And as said, it's PS5, how the fuck do you get that wrong? That only puts another nail in the coffin of evidence that you're immensely stupid.

@spungbob_spare_pant

3 жыл бұрын

​@@MuscarV2 Anger nerd

That VAIO monitor seems to be one of the first flat panel monitors!

AWW love your cat, especially when it tried licking your thumb (my cat does that too!)

@subtledemisefox

3 жыл бұрын

My orange cat will gently nibble on my hand if I don't pet him when he's feeling needy lol

@larrywilliams8010

3 жыл бұрын

And did you also notice how he held his thumb out for the cat? That's what Cat Lovers do. :)

So THAT'S what that keyboard is!! I saw a keyboard that was incredibly similar (has the palmrest flap thing) at a thrift store and I almost grabbed it, but figured I didn't need anymore keyboards. Definitely gonna snag it if it's still there! Edit: Oops forgot to update! Sadly the keyboard was gone :( (along with the CRT that was next to it, hopefully someone bought it to build a cool retro setup!)

@ptzzz

3 жыл бұрын

I share the feeling of not needing any more keyboards. At some point I had like 8, some PS2 and some USB. Now down to 6 and maybe 5 after I give another one away to a buddy who needs a keyboard.

@DerekWitt

3 жыл бұрын

"Ah, a keyboard. How quaint!"

I replaced a lot of those Seagate drives in the early 2000s.. We called them condom drives because of the rubbers.

So good to see these retro (now) VAIO machines with the original software! Thanks for the video!

Love your kitty reminds me of my Prince who was one of the sweetest cuddliest baby of all my babies over the years. I lost him several years ago but to see your baby reminds me fondly of my sweet baby boy bringing back pleasant memories. Love your channel!

That is a really cool setup, Vaio systems always have interesting designs!

I loved Sony Vaios so much. I never had a Vaio desktop, though always wanted one. But I had a Vaio laptop in the mid to late 2000s.

@nickwallette6201

3 жыл бұрын

Half the laptops I’ve ever owned were VAIOs. Small, light, good screens and track pads... I’ve moved to the MacBook Pro now, which was inspired by VAIO. Apparently I have a type.

@thelastNokiauser

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!

Shelby, I prefer ddrescue/gddrescue, dcfldd or dcfldd over vanilla dd for any work especially imaging. Ddrescue in particular is fast and fairly safe thanks to its configurability, syntax is very similar as you'd expect. Perhaps give them a try if you get the time to take a look. Also, it supports using a map file so it can pick up where it/you left off if interrupted.

Love how he pays attention to detail, great job keep up the great work. Glad I came across your videos, I'm now a sub!!!

My dad had a Sony VAIO desktop back in 1999. It wasn't a slimtop, but it was still pretty cool. It came with a few Star Wars games because Episode I was coming out in the theaters at the time. It had a DVD ROM drive, so my dad got a 21" Sony Trinitron monitor, which was, at the time, the second largest monitor I'd ever seen (the largest being my brother's Gateway Destination monitor which was BLOODY HUGE). I miss that computer.

@patricktrakzel9657

Жыл бұрын

Huge and heavy.

@Fuzy2K

Жыл бұрын

@@patricktrakzel9657 I remember the box it came in had these plastic handles that held it together, and to unbox the monitor, you'd unhook and remove them, then pick up almost the whole box, leaving the monitor and the bottom of the box on the floor. :P

Gotta love the cat. :3

I really like this whole form factor... and of course how compact it all is.

3:29 "This thing is like, purrrfect."

i love your videos, been binging them

I really loved the depth you went in to demonstrate imaging a failing IDE drive on linux. Also that diff command. I learned a lot today :D

Thank you for uploading all your notes and software to the Grand Archives. You're doing the lord's work!

Oh wow! I worked on one of these back in the day when I was a computer repairman. It was around '99 too if I remember it right.

The mouse reminds me of the PlayStation mouse, and the rest of the thing has PS2 dev unit vibes ...

I don’t know which I liked more, the PC or your cat! Anyway since this is Windows 98, before Microsoft broke the internal search feature, it’ll be a breeze to find the location of the wallpaper, among other things.

That monitor has that weird hinge because some models came with a touchscreen and stylus. No wonder Steve Jobs' favorite computers were the Sony VAIOs, I can't think of any other computer that had these features back in 1999.

what is this video about? i was just looking at the cat

Hey Shelby i have the enitre theme and cursor pack for this if you need it, with all those wallpapers too. They are some of the best windows themes and cursors and i use them on all my pre-vista systems

Outstanding video and many thanks for the Internet Archive upload!!!…These Sony machines are beautiful

Oh god. Those missing feet :(

14:08 Glad you found an accredited IT professional and power linux user to help you image the disk.

@TJDunaway

3 жыл бұрын

It's recommended to have a second keyboard for these purrfessionals to relax on as well.

What a beautiful computer. Sony really knew how to make a superb looking system. For a 1999 TFT that screen looks incredible as well. Is it as good in person as it looks in the video? It looks so sharp with good colours and contrast. The keyboard looks and sounds a dream as well. I know mechanical keyboards are more popular but 90s membrane keyboards have a special place in my heart, so comfortable to type on. The mouse... well yeah it is what it is ;) Thanks for the video, not had a great week and a nice 40 minute break to sit and watch this was just what I needed.

I have the Sony PCV-LX1 windows me version of this machine, which I did a video about. Your example is in much better condition than mine. Such an unusual machine and a great find.

I believe that mouse was actually made by Logitech. They made a lot of mice for OEMs. That scroll wheel design looks very similar to a mouse I opened up a long time ago that I do recall being made by Logitech. Try sourcing a Logitech mouse from around the same time frame and i bet it would have a scroll wheel that you could use.

@PhillyMJS

2 жыл бұрын

Except for the two buttons and scroll wheel, that mouse looks absolutely identical to the Apple Desktop Bus Mouse 2 from 1993. In 1999 it was a new era for them and I doubt they’d care that anyone copied a 6 year old mouse design. Of course, in 1999 Apple was shipping that awful hockey puck mouse, a step backward in mouse design for them.

I love the aesthetic of the mid to late 90's

For the mouse wheel you may be able to use that SUGRU stuff Ben Heck sometimes uses for modified controllers

I cant wait for the next video!!!

Hey @Tech Tangents, I love your content. I listen to these video's during work or to go to sleep, and watch them during my free time, but I do have some pointers if you'll accept 'em. I recommend you to compare your build & refurbish video's to LGR's. I think for example, that when you input some soft background music, and remove the sound when fast-forwarding, it could increase the overall viewing/listening pleasure of those parts! Keep going strong!

For the feet, since the shape is just a Pyramid with the top cut off, it shouldn't be very hard to model replacements and 3D Print them. just get some smaller rubber feet to go on the top and it should be basically good as new. matching the color would be hard but a normal grey PLA probably won't be too far off.

Sony (and particularly the Vaio) design language is some of my favorite of all time. Just beautiful

The computer looks so clean I wished more computers looked like this!

I need to buy one of these for old DOS experimentation.

That rubber sleeve is stock for those drives. I have a few in storage and all of that series came with those sleeves.

That company from Poland you mentioned does really good work. Their case badges look 100% professional.

It's very interesting and also really nice looking. Very pretty. Looking forward to the exploration. I love the way cats have an annoying and endearing way of trying to take over when you are trying to do some work. Your car was determined to be petted, no matter what. 🐱 😊👍

I have fallen in love with your cat!! - I have to say he stole the show! lol

@m3gAnac0nda

3 жыл бұрын

I believe it's a she. I had the exact same. Crazy...

Always liked that Sony bucked the trend of the boring beige box with the lovely purple-ish & blue-ish gray color scheme (though IIRC I think IBM was trying a black color scheme on some of their machines around this time which was pretty sharp too).

What a comfy episode.

Man, I had forgotten how lovely Sony's computers were at the turn of the century. I've never owned a prebuilt, and learned a mild disdain for them early on, but... damned if I didn't want a Vaio anyways.

@TheXarus

Жыл бұрын

Never even had a laptop?

@CptJistuce

Жыл бұрын

@@TheXarus Well, never a new one. I've picked a few elderly ones up from folks who consider a decade-old computer useless.

@TheXarus

Жыл бұрын

@@CptJistuce Me too, me too haha

That’s an unusual location for the Num Lock key, even on a truncated keyboard such as yours. Ordinarily I’d see it combined with Scroll Lock in such scenarios, though that’s more common on laptops.

now thats an aesthetic i love. awesome.

I had a Vaio mini tower circa 2002 paired with flat screen trinitron crt. It was my first windows PC. Up until then I’d only had a Mac IIsi and a first gen iMac. I still use the powered speakers that came with it.

Thanks for another great video, Shelby. First of all that's a great cat, my partner's cat is just like it, apparently only female cats have that fur color patern. Your video alerted me that I need to backup my Sony PCV-W20, I also made a video about it, people are asking for the drivers, I think I can help by saving the system32 folder. Congrats on the find, sony things are really cool, I love their design on retro systems, specially their MSX, those look so good. Thanks for another one and I can't wait for the next!

Just did a video on one of these myself. Great little machines.

i am excited for this video.

Cute cat. Mine sometimes sits on the keyboard. Great video I had a VIO laptop many years ago. Thank you

> This is a prebuilt. This isn't really supposed to be opened up and modified > The case opens up with two plastic clips, not even one single screw PLEASE take me back to when all devices were this repairable

I'm wondering if you could get the mouse wheel printed in some sort of semi-flex.

Great video, love the old pc rebuilds. However, why were you so worries about the drive and the software though? I'd bet a W98SE install would take care of most drivers and I just looked the system up, though Sony doesn't have any drivers for it, I readily found some by a google search. Anyway, love the vids, they got me back into vintage pc's after being a computer nerd back in the nineties.

For the feet, there's a process to make rubber parts using 3d printing. Maybe something to look into? I don't know the details but Robert Finger used it to make some parts for his bike restoration project and it seemed to work really well.

Kitty's infatuated with the keyboard. "I wants. I sits!"

This is the first time I got an allergic reaction by watching a video featuring a cat.

Grew up using one of these. Wish I could find one.

I see there is an Asus branded chip and fonts "KAIBA" near the cmos battery holder. I wonder if they manufacturered the board or designed it for sony?

I wonder how practical it would be to mold/cast or machine new rubber feet to match the stock ones.

11:19 Oh hey, I have one or two of those drives from some of my old machines still! :D

I worked for a refurb house in 2000 did a ton of that family of systems, always liked the form and style but just like now I was into hot rod gaming PC's and it wasnt going to cut my needs... ever since I kind of wish I bought one (cause they were grade B+ refurb's and cheap, and always liked them)

IIRC any of the Sony Vaio ball mouse specific have scroll wheels that will work / replace the trashed one (I prefered the dark variants for their longevity compared to the grey variants).

3:29 "This thing is like, purrrfect"...as he pets his cat haha

Great video on this Sony Vaio! I love the cat, too! Did you ever do a video on that PC that's running Kubuntu?

Sweet system!

My old Toshiba Satellite 440CDX had a similar effect with the display. I didn't get it new, but I got it in 2001 when it was about 5 years old, and it always had that effect. So it's possible it was just how the LCD tech of that time period looked. (And explains why we didn't flock to LCD screens as soon as they were available!)

Dude I saw this exact setup for sale on OfferUp too! Do you live in AZ?!

I suspect that the scroll wheel can be replaced with one from another non-Sony mouse; but you might have to find a surplus store that has a big bin of them to find the right one. Alternatively, you could 3D print one with a resin printer... won’t be rubbery, but you could texture the surface for traction.

For keycaps a good tool is an ultrasonic cleaner. My guess is the mouse wheel hydrolyzed, old polyurethane soles also do that.

that rubber around the drive is to protect the PCB from shorts. its called a "seashield" seagates barracuda and U series had it to protect the PCB from shorts and static shock that can make it lose data or die.

Those rubbery seagate drives really sucks, happy to see it was still working for you. EDIT: spoke to soon...

@Alexis_du_60

3 жыл бұрын

Ech I've got a Maxtor DiamondMax in my iMac G3 that makes similar worrying noises, I keep hearing a lot of horror stories about DiamondMax HDDs but mine's still kicking since 1999... lol

Hey Shelby, with so much populating the desk it isn't clear what's the main subject of the shoot in the first clip, the computer or the Meow Cattop. :D

I was just thinking "man, I haven't seen TT post in a while" like 20 minutes ago lol

It looks like, according to the service manual, the LCD connector is in fact an LVDS connection with audio. It might be possible to use it as a standalone monitor, but with help of a VGA controller board that interfaces with LVDS.

@TechTangents

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't found a full service manual instead of user manuals for this system yet, could you link me to that? (you should probably a space in the URL so it doesn't get filtered) The onboard graphics card is a standard part for an AGP add in card that has a DVI port and I'm currently using a driver intended for the standalone card on the system. So I'm inclined to think it is DVI/PanelLink but would be interested in any other info on it.

@Dioxaz

3 жыл бұрын

@@TechTangents This is where I found the manual: https : / / manualzz . com / doc / 19693684 / pcv-l400-l600-service-manual-personal-computer-vaio-us-model Alternatively, you can look for PCV-L400 on your search engine of choice. The pinout can be seen at page 6-5. Although this is labelled LVDS, this doesn't seem to match the pinout we're currently used to see on most laptop panels.

@TechTangents

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting, that does seem to be LVDS there. I have seen in a few of the manuals though that the displays are not cross compatible. So you got me to look it up a bit, and it turns out this is a bit of a nightmare. Here's a page where someone got a bunch of info on these monitors: translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fniga2.sytes.net%2Fat%2Fvaio_dvi.html Turns out, there are a ton of different versions. Mine is TDMS(DVI/PanelLink) but the earlier ones are LVDS. So it would probably be good to mention that in the followup that these monitors cannot be mix and matched. They must be exactly what the computer was meant to use.

Beautiful vintage computer

Given how much of that drive is likely free space you could pipe the output of dd into gzip and squish it down on the fly. Takes a while since gzip can only use one CPU core but I find it to be well worth the space savings.

God damn you, now I want that setup... B(

thank you so much , how to use the backup hdd ,?i have the same model but someone put win XP on it , i want to back to win98 but he sound and gpu driver not working , i need your backup please but i don't know how to use it sir

It looks like the CCFL in the monitor is failing, you can replace it or even convert it to LED. The second requires knowledge of electronics as the control board must be wired correctly.

ooh awesome! It has a color scheme similar to the old Sun Sparc stations. Wonder if Sony got inspiration from Sun... Both system lineups were being produced at the same time, albeit for completely different architectures.

From a design point of view, this thing is kind of Amiga like. Low profile, PCMCIA card slot on a desktop, etc.

Thanks for the Win98SE key :D

TIL that soft rubber eventually becomes conductive?

There are specialist tools for recovering broken harddisks. I'd use those to grab a disk image. They prioritise ordering to get the highest recovery rate, and will retry failing reads at different seek and access approaches.

With some windows systems i know, the current desktop background is stored in the windows directory under a certain name i don't remember. But i used it to change the background on the computer i used where i did work, since changing it the normal way was blocked by the administrator. (i changed it back some years later)

You are making me really want to build a Windows 95 PC, I'd like to get hold of a Packard Bell but would be willing to build a similar one like Gateway you had over in the states. I really don't have the room though but deffo something I will do in the future. I remember playing Doom on Win 95 and there was a kids corner of the OS, I remember Netscape Navigator too and the Encyclopedia Britanica my parents paid 200 quid for lol.