Dave always does this, talks for 15 minutes, asks for Bryan's thoughts then proceeds to interrupt him every 5 seconds to get his point across.

@jacosisaba

27 күн бұрын

Seriously though. It's even more frustrating when he can't complete a full sentence or thought. I really dont think he'd be clowned so hard if he had good enough grammar to explain his thoughts or opinions.

@toddhall3389

27 күн бұрын

Ya know?

@calvingarcia3540

27 күн бұрын

It’s everyone’s fault but Tony’s.

@jansapp

27 күн бұрын

Agreed except then I remember Bryan is a cackling puppethead and am glad Dave always talks over him

@JakeDeMarco

25 күн бұрын

"...B-b-bu-but Brian...!"

Bryan is so done with Dave's BS. Gotta love it

@sanchocalleja2541

27 күн бұрын

Nah Bryan will never be done with Dave's BS. He'll do this until the end of time

Poor Bryan for having to listen to this, with no interruptions.

@burekevan

27 күн бұрын

i get the sense Bryan is just scrolling twitter these days while dave talks - they barely have any actual interaction anymore

Does anyone in the known universe speak more half sentences than Dave?

Wow, just dismissing Bryan's opinion after asking him to state it. Bizarre

@BainesMkII

27 күн бұрын

That's standard behavior for Meltzer. Dave doesn't want to accept anything that contradicts what he believes. If someone says something he doesn't want to hear, then he'll dismiss it, with it being common for him to start talking over the other person so they can't even finish. (Mind, even if you say something Dave supports, he might still start talking over you because he'd rather say it himself.)

@horgh_japan

26 күн бұрын

To be fair, Bryan does it with Mike and Vinnie a lot. Hell, there was a time where Mike was really done with Bryan just dismissing everything and more or less "overruling" him. Sometimes they bite back, I mean, sometimes Cornette will be stood up by Last... sometimes... but these podcast/KZread folks are smart enough to keep mostly docile sidekicks. Bryan will one day inherit the "Meltzer WO Empire" and knows Dave only has so many more years in him and acts the part.

As a lifelong fan who was 20 in 2013, I'm with Bryan here. 2019 was abysmal.

@michaelharbach1987

27 күн бұрын

It's not really a "with Brian" thing, it's just objectively true. The biggest flaw with AEW is the wonky booking. The second biggest issue is that Triple H took over creative at WWE (i.e. Vince being ousted), which made the product way more competitive & attractive to fans/wrestlers.

@CoffeeStain-Music

27 күн бұрын

2019 is absolutely the worst year in WWE history. Not 1993. Not 1995. Not 2009. Not 2015. Its 2019.

@AD.THE.HITMAN-nc8qj

27 күн бұрын

yeah meltzer is forgetting that fiend vs rollins hell in a cell and goldberg beating the fiend with a spear

@BigmanDogs

27 күн бұрын

​​@@CoffeeStain-Music2015 was actually a commercially well performing year. It was 2016-19 when they took a nosedive in popularity.

@nyknicks9460

27 күн бұрын

Edge db,rusev, ect wasted tna bout to be #2

Whether you like AEW or not you can’t deny they injected new life into wrestling back in 2018/2019 when wrestling felt like it was a dying art and its lowest. AEW helped make WWE step up their game.

@Bls-of1ld

27 күн бұрын

Nah Vince getting fired did

@jihadx5307

27 күн бұрын

They forced WWE to start paying their guys better, offer talent longer deals, bring back pyro & move PPV’s to Saturdays.

@SuperMoneyman90

27 күн бұрын

AEW had jack shit to do with WWE stepping their game up

@TheGarySphere

27 күн бұрын

@@SuperMoneyman90 Without AEW Cody is not WWEs top guy, Punk never returns to wrestling, WWE never makes their product edgier to appeal to a wider audience. Plus there would be no tribalistic arguements(the IWC's favorite thing)

@KCU_Unfiltered

27 күн бұрын

​@TheGarySphere that's not a bad take. Agree or not.

“A ticket code…..basically a code to buy tickets” Hard hitting journalism right there.

@polsdofer

26 күн бұрын

Lmfao I rolled my eyes when he said that lol

@TheFuckingShitLoL

12 күн бұрын

Reminder there are people that PAY to listen to meltzer magoo ramble. Albeit the actual newsletter is a night and day difference, some people pay just to listen to this shit

Dave and Bryan need to put on some spandex and CALL IT IN THE RING BROTHER

Dave is the living embodiment of "um actually"

Why is Dave defending 2019 WWE booking? It was definitely a valley-- not the worst, no, but people were thirsty for an alternative to Vince's same ol, same ol, without a doubt

@drobinson-uo7ic

27 күн бұрын

You didn't like the Roman Reigns dog food match?

@Farts911

27 күн бұрын

Because Tony has big money.

@VirgilZandig

27 күн бұрын

Dave's being myopic. 2013 WWE booking was probably worse, but 2019 they were actively making themselves heels to the 'smart' fans.

@alexanderwatters6556

27 күн бұрын

@@VirgilZandig 2013 had the advantages of Bryan, Shield, Wyatt Family. They did actively try to sabotage Bryan's push, but there was too much exciting stuff around then. 2013 was head and shoulders above 2019, although I do think the depth of 2019 is overblown.

@NuMetalfan1996

27 күн бұрын

@nate2435. People didn’t want an alternative to WWE in 2019, people wanted a company similar to WWE but done better.

Why does this sound like a eulogized obituary? 😂

Dave be yapping

"I knew you were gonna talk for 15 minutes then ask for my thoughts" 😂😂

@connerhuston2613

27 күн бұрын

And still interrupted Bryan when he started talking...SMH

Dave dismissed WCW's success, "They ended up failing anyway and that hurt the business". So, WCW reaching historic levels of success and sparking the Monday Night Wars doesn't matter because they eventually failed?

@-The-Darkside

27 күн бұрын

Same for "no one has ever taken on WWE, not like this" TNA had double the ratings are had and tried to go on Mondays, they tried, Tiny is petrified.

@horgh_japan

26 күн бұрын

It was a very short ride but I'd say it was less WCW and more the nWo and Goldberg that reached these heights of popularity. But then the line between the nWo and WCW at the time was growing thinner by the week. The WWF at least embarked on a massive rebranding effort spurred by the unexpected (well Dave predicted it back in the day, but Dave is always wrong apparently, so huh... I dunno...) rise of Stone Cold's "mature" (as in 90's edgy) character and storylines. They were being carried by DX, Austin and freshly heel turned Rock, but the company as a whole was being remodeled to match these new superstars without just making everyone a lackey of said stars.

For YEARS I heard Dave said WWE being at their low point in 2019 is a big reason why AEW succeeded so well. Now he goes on an argument saying that wasn’t the case. What? Also Bryan: You’re the host. You don’t NEED Dave to go 15mins straight without asking you to talk. Maybe do your job and butt in? Not difficult.

@NinjaSquirrel30

27 күн бұрын

It's their show and entirely up to them how the flow goes and what people are given a spot to talk about and for how long. How about you but out and just listen. It isn't YOUR show and isn't produced how YOU would like it to be. FFS some ppl 🤦🏼

@juniorkhomari1850

27 күн бұрын

​@NinjaSquirrel30 and it's called fan feedback dude. We have a right as subscribers to have an input

@bfunderb5899

27 күн бұрын

@@NinjaSquirrel30 and some people think it’s a bad idea to use a fireplace bellows during sex. You can’t please everyone all the time

@renmojito6796

27 күн бұрын

@@juniorkhomari1850 Giving feedback is cool. Saying things like "Maybe do your job and butt in? Not difficult". Doesn't make people listen to you.

@jhmoxl

27 күн бұрын

in someways its a good thing with Dave that he'll downplay how he felt about a product at the time and emphasize more how the business was. It's a weird discussion though because Bryan was not disputing that buisness was okay only the product was terrible in his opinion. And Dave does a quick buisness history of WWE (and yes what Vince did from 2001-2020 to make the buisness more stable and more baseline profitable is probably a better period as a buisness man).

Dave trying to argue that 2019 WWE wasn't catastrophically terrible is laughable. He has to because he overestimates how important the indie boom was. Im a day 1 AEW fan and I dont really give a shit about indie wrestling, I just wanted an alternative to WWE.

@NuMetalfan1996

27 күн бұрын

@BigmanDogs. I just want a wrestling company to give us what WWE gave us from 1997 to 2006. That’s all I want.

The TNA had over 2 million people watch them a number the AEW will never eclipse

@horgh_japan

26 күн бұрын

The number of people watching RAW at the height of Austin's popularity is not likely to be matched by the WWE. The saturation of wrestling along with the numbers guys like Hogan bring in are factors people like you tend to ignore.

Dave comparing AEW to "WWEWWEWWEWWE" again, despite constantly insisting for 5 years that people should not compare the two for multiple reasons

@hoganshairline4175

26 күн бұрын

Every time Dave has to argue about something happening in AEW, his first defense is always "BUT WWE.....". then if that doesnt work, he does his patented "I covered wrestling in the 70s and 80s and blah blah blah" and Bryan just gets annoyed and moves on to the next topic.

@loserhimself4044

16 күн бұрын

More fairytales from a delusional online rando

Dave pretending like 2019 WWE wasn't the absolute pits to try and make AEW seem that little bit better is actually amazing. Thank God Bryan fought back on that

@juniorkhomari1850

27 күн бұрын

Dude I'm like Baffled. Tf is wrong with this guy?

@Callus_

27 күн бұрын

@@juniorkhomari1850 He may not be on the payroll but AEW is what he's hung his hat on that's for sure

@MadVybez

27 күн бұрын

​@@juniorkhomari1850he wants to prove that his style of wrestling is the best (Japanese) . But attendances and viewership says otherwise. Japanese style is not even popular in Japan NJPW average less than 2000 a show.

@drobinson-uo7ic

27 күн бұрын

AEW has actually allowed Dave to have a relationship with them and they were the alternative to WWE that was so heavily criticized at that time, AEW was the fresh alternative for "him". His bias has been bad.

@duckmercy11

27 күн бұрын

​​@@MadVybez They average less than 2,000 because the capacity for Korakuen Hall (Tokyo's main venue for smaller shows) is less than 2,000. They draw 3-10k for most big shows and 20-40k for the annual Tokyo Dome show. They also drew 6k in Chicago recently.

Everyone thought Vince was still gonna be in charge. He’s not, wwe improved and people switched back. Life bro

@ricosuave7053

27 күн бұрын

To say AEW didn't have any influence on what WWE has been doing the past five years whatsoever is absolutely stupid to think. I mean, they put Undertaker on NXT for God's sakes.

@jamiejones8521

27 күн бұрын

@@ricosuave7053 typically reading what you want to read rather than what I wrote. Vince was still in charge then also for that unadvertised undertaker appearance. Vince left, WWE improved, people switched back. And that’s completely fine. AEW will always be around as long as Tony pumps money into it so you can enjoy what you enjoy.

Jesus Christ, Dave. These gaddamn rabbit holes.

bro cody WAS AEW. him, the bucks, omega. A unit. Cody took a sledgehammer to the throne, AEW was built on this spirit imo. Once Cody up and left for WWE that bubble done burst hard and was a major blow to the companys perception. Punk was there at least, who more than filled the Cody void (imo). Without Punk or Cody tho that void is just massive like the grand canyon, AEW is getting hit hard. it's probably only going to get worse because theres zero sign whatsoever that TK understands the concept of what pro wrestling even is.

They're in a rough spot right now, but thank God AEW started up and has grown as big as it has. We badly, badly needed someone like them in 2019

@MindandSorcery

27 күн бұрын

It started awesome with Cody smashing HHH's throne, full of promises, hopes and dreams, and now its tony smashing is own house with atrocious booking. We want wrestlers to have a place to stay and grow, but at this rate, ratings are going down the drain.

@truane71

27 күн бұрын

@@MindandSorceryjfc get some new material

@MindandSorcery

27 күн бұрын

@@truane71 I don't need too

@truane71

27 күн бұрын

@@MindandSorcery You don’t have the mental capacity to, you mean.

@MindandSorcery

27 күн бұрын

@@truane71 That's your hobby, insulting ppl online 😅

"2024 is the lowest point of Dave's credibility. I'll fight this to my death." - Bryan

I like how Dave is really starting to get mad when people push back on him... especially when he's straight up wrong. We aren't talking about how they were doing financially, we're talking about how, as fans, we felt like WWE sucked and there's NO QUESTION WWE sucked way more in 2019 than it did in 2013. Cope, Dave.

No one wishes its failure, people just wished it was much better than it is. We was promised a sports based presentation and we got this stuff with nonsense booking.

@brianhopson2072

27 күн бұрын

While wwe ended up doi g sports based programing. The irony.

@duckmercy11

27 күн бұрын

​@@brianhopson2072 Nothing about WWE looks like a sport.

@youngzeus87

27 күн бұрын

AEW had a golden opportunity and they blew it. It's karma. Mocked wcw yet he's run thru the wcw timeline himself at light speed. We're at the wcw 99' part of the story already.

@oelboy

27 күн бұрын

They opened a steak restaurant promising us gourmet meat and then started serving us lukewarm hot dogs. No wonder people get angry at them.

@TeamTowers1

27 күн бұрын

Lol I don't even like AEW and even to me it was obvious a certain section of people wanted it to fail.

Bryan is so fed up... We are with you Bryan ! Hang in there !

this video is a great example of why if you profess to be a journalist you should not have close personal relationships with the people you cover

Has Dave join the nwo I mean he's 25 years to late

10 years ago, I was a huge PWG fan. WWE was going down a rough path. Punk was gone. Danielson won the title at Mania30 and quickly was out with injury. Rollins, Ambrose and Reigns were elevated and we were fed the awful corporate storyline. But PWG had the best wrestling in the country. Excalibur was a fresh voice to Michael Coles Vince McMahon delivery. The wrestling was fun, athletic, violent and the shows were just a good time. 5 years ago, PWG was nearing its end but AEW was born. WWE in 2019 was death. I stopped watching almost all together aside from the big shows. AEW was fresh and fun. Present day, AEW is showing maybe what worked on the indies should have stayed on the indies. Excalibur is atrocious with his stagy over delivery. The wrestlers feel like indie level wrestlers. The booking is shits. It’s a shame they steered off course and I don’t know how they straighten it out as long as Tony still has the book, the Bucks still have major influence, the announcing is the same, etc etc

@BigmanDogs

27 күн бұрын

It's quite interesting that you as a long-time PWG fan can recognize that Excalibur is a horrible commentator and that the PWG stuff does not translate beyond a vocal minority. I guess it's true that you haven't really grown if you're the same person you were 10 years ago.

@HelloShitty08

27 күн бұрын

Damn, calling Excalibur atrocious? That's certainly a take.

WWE truly had garage years in 2018 - 2020

@Richothecat

27 күн бұрын

And aew has had garbage years from 2019-now

@mattnoble3444

22 күн бұрын

Oh a Garage, la-di-da Mr French man.... it's a Carhole!

12:37 🤣poor bryan

Is Alvarez guy mad that Tony Khan doesn't invite him to places?

Dave says all the WWE talent that went to TNA back in the day were just there to collect a paycheck. Then proceeds to say none of them worked hard in TNA. Anyone heard of an Olympic gold medalist named Kurt Angle? 🤔

@WalkingCowboy

27 күн бұрын

It's hard to say if you already knew about "Perc Angle"

It has been an interesting ride with some great moments 👍

@roberdink

27 күн бұрын

The best is yet to come!

Never forget: Years ago Meltzer claimed that if a U.S. based company had an in ring style similar to Japanese wrestling, that it would take over the U.S. and become the top promotion........ thats why dave has been clutching his pearls when it comes to defending AEW.

@DavidDexterGaming

27 күн бұрын

The thing is that with the likes of Orange Cassidy, AEW is far away from the New Japan heights of the 90s. I would love a US promotion run like 90s NJPW but to me, AEW is the opposite in most ways. A lot of bad Indy workers doing flips and landing on their heads.

@duckmercy11

27 күн бұрын

1) He didn't claim that 2) AEW isn't close to Japanese style 3) WWE isn't #1 because people prefer their style but because of brand recognition and marketing.

@youngzeus87

27 күн бұрын

​@@duckmercy113. And because of good wrestling and storylines. Don't forget that. People are excited for stuff like Drew vs Punk and they haven't even had a match yet. Promos and character are that intriguing

@duckmercy11

27 күн бұрын

@@youngzeus87 Other promotions have great characters and matches too. That doesn't make you #1 in a vacuum. Also WWE was profitable and growing even in 2019 when the shows were abysmal. They're a bit like the "too big to fail" banks. A pro wrestling institution.

@keni95851

27 күн бұрын

@@duckmercy11 just like he didnt say Mabel was the 3rd man because Waltman fed him bad info? Quit being a mark. He absolutely said it. He says HIS ratings are OBJECTIVE REALITY.

Wild it’s been 5 years, time really does fly by

I’ve only watched one match in 5 years of AEW, happy 5th anniversary! ☺️

ill never forget being so excited to go to jimmys seafood to watch all out 2021 and thinking it was weird that Cody wasn't on the PPV and I had this weird feeling... it was a great few years AEW..unfortunely it became more and more about tony khan and while not on TV but all the drama and negative press.

This argument between them is interesting because, because i was listening to WOR at my most in the 2016 or so to 2020 or so period, and Bryan is consistent with what he said. Dave is crazy to think about; hes almost completely 180'd from what he said back then.

Dave talking about TNA having a chance at taking on WWE was fucking hilarious. You mean the same era that had the Smackdown six among all the others during the Ruthless Aggression Era? Yeah sure dude...

for someone that’s been watching wrestling since the 80s, im with Dave on this one. The WWF was way worse in the mid 90s

@Chaz4543

27 күн бұрын

In terms of match quality yes but they had way more stars and future stars in the business back then than AEW has. Bret, Shawn, Razor, Diesel, Undertaker some of the biggest and best of all time. Also Yokozuna whos a top 3 monster heel of all time. Also way less botches back then because people werent doing all these crazy moves and no terrible women's matches either. Mid 90s WWE > AEW. AEW wins if you care about rope work and wrestling holds.

@reytigre6825

27 күн бұрын

@@Chaz4543 You also had Doink the clown, The Berserker , Bastion Booger, Papa Chango and the list goes on with terrible booking. I’m glad we had options like WCW and AAA that was much better at that time

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.”

I really hope Cornette and Last review this

@keni95851

27 күн бұрын

BRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

It was really fun for a while. Now I only watch because it's something I do with my son, but I'll never forget the Punk/MJF stuff

I'm happy about AEW's success. I don't watch anymore but it's good to have more places for wrestlers and fans. I hope it's around for a long time. I just doubt that it will be. I don't know how long TK will be willing to burn the amount he's burning. Maybe it'll become profitable. I don't know. But I just wonder how long they're planning on running empty arenas and when they inevitably go to smaller buildings regularly will people still watch? If it looks like TNA will that be a compelling product for enough viewers to sustain it? I don't know. I'm not at all confident that they'll be around in ten years or even five. I just can't confidently say "I believe they will be around for the long haul" as much as I wish I could

I'm still waiting for the sports based wrestling company.

I started falling asleep around the 12 minute mark...

7:45 Dave credits AEW with "springing pro wrestling into the biggest period since the attitude era". But didn't this increase in business only come when Vince stepped down and they had an entire changeover in creative vision, years after AEW had already been in existence? What is the empirical proof AEW helped make WWE step up their game? In pro wrestling the star power and creative is mainly what heightens interest, what does AEW have to do with that? Is this actually empirically true or is it this nice-sounding thing we throw around to show that AEW is a force for good despite it not being profitable or competitive with WWE? But if you credit the increase in business to a change in creative, that would suggest a cure to AEW's slumping business would be to replace the man in charge of creative. Which brings us to the actual crux of the entire matter and the elephant in the room that Dave and Bryan don't say. What this video should have really been about. What a 5-year anniversary gives us a perfect opportunity to talk about: Tony HAS TO GIVE UP THE BOOK. The market has shown you what it thinks of Tony Khan's creative vision. Is 5 years enough time to say OK things aren't working, maybe we can try a relief pitcher for a few innings? Would bookers of territories in the past still have a job 5 years in if they had TK's ratings and attendance track record? Do Dave and Bryan agree that the first 5 years of AEW ideally should have been TK sitting under the learning tree and not jumping straight into the deep end? With his resources he could have hired a dream team of all the greatest wrestling minds on the planet, like Socrates being summoned to the Macedonian capital to tutor Alexander the Great. Instead he is like a person who never did an apprenticeship and instead went straight into being a foreman doing things incorrectly for 5 years straight. How exactly do we expect him to get any better? What reason do we have to expect the next 5 years won't be a continual slide down the same trajectory? The problem is the creative, bottom line. If the creative were good and business was still slumping, ok, then you can look for excuses why it is slumping. But as long as the creative and the booking is bad there's no reason to look any further. You need to fix that before looking at any other reasons why the product is cold. This is the crucial mistake Dave and Bryan make. They avoid the elephant in the room that Tony needs to give up the book and spend time being a student or it will never get any better. Dave and Bryan, you have to start admitting Tony Khan isn't good at creative. I know it might seem futile to expect a billionaire to humble himself in such a way, but what choice do we have, the health of AEW and maybe the industry as a whole could depend on this. Let TK know he would be surprised how much respect he would gain from people.

It would have been nice to hear what Bryan had to say........ Dave is the black hole vortex of charisma and likability. I say this as an F4W subscriber.

Can’t wait to hear Cornette review this interaction 😮‍💨🤣

"A Company run by wrestlers is going to die..." Whoever said that is sounding like a genius. 😂

Dave saying he wasn't prepared for how many people would be negative to AEW. Forgets the entire history of TNA. Even when TNA was good, it was always a story of TNALOL. Strange.

@dngn4774

27 күн бұрын

What he really meant was that he wasn’t prepared for so many fans to reject his idea of what wrestling needed to become. He can’t accept that his takes are a minority opinion, even now.

Regarding the AEW hate... I've brought this up before but no one in the IWC acknowledges it as valid. If you ONLY watch WWE and you are a fan of people like Moxley, Miro, Edge, Sasha banks...then why are YOU supposed to be cheering for AEW to be successful? The show you watch is worse because of competition. WWE doesn't have Okada and Ospreay on its roster right now because of the fact that AEW exists. I get that this is ultimately a selfish outlook because more competition is a good thing and its better pay for performers, etc. These factors don't actually matter to every viewer and they certainly don't matter more than the product they enjoy. If Drew didn't sign with WWE and instead for whatever reason went to AEW...do you think 100% of exclusive WWE fans would say how great that is for the industry and not be remotely selfishly annoyed that we aren't getting Drew vs Punk among other things? Be completely honest with yourself here. Another thing to point out here even though it seemingly contradicts things is that X isn't real life. We all know this. When you say hate against the product hurts it I'd seriously question just how true that claim really is. WWE is in a boom period and there's tons of negativity about that company. There's people who are sick of Jey Uso, who think Cody has run his course, who burned out of the bloodline stuff 2 years ago, who are disgusted by the Saudi relationship, who hate the companies reception to the Vince stuff, etc, etc, etc. I'd be curious to know how many people actually gave AEW a chance but ultimately abandoned it primarily due to the hate online convincing them that the product wasn't good. Because in my history of viewing online discourse...you don't actually convince people of things. You don't leave a youtube comment on a right wing political channel and suddenly get a reply saying "You've convinced me, I'm now part of the progressive left, thank you". People just have defending their position sometimes in a positive way but mostly in a trolling way.

@horgh_japan

26 күн бұрын

The AEW fanbase at its core was likely very much an NXT Black and Gold fanbase - excited about performers who weren't wrestling to make Cena/Miz look good and very much aware of every big name outside the WWE and TNA universes. Fans who like comedy, one liners and "characters", but also pro wrestling. And memes, of course. But they enjoyed people doing "gymnastic routines" (in my days it was called lucharesu) or having "British strong style" matches. Such fans are VERY much "perpetually online" fans. These are fans who didn't see Cody Rhodes as the former Stardust or Dashing Cody Rhodes but as American Nightmare Cody Rhodes. They followed his Ten Pounds of Gold saga with Aldis, his stuff in the NJPW and the initial All In. They are people who "read the dirtsheets" and watch the pundits on KZread. But is that hardcore "indy" (Should we consider NJPW "indy" when they run Tokyo Dome every year? Are CMLL/AAA indies just because they're in Mexico and Cornette hates lucha?) fanbase the only group that followed AEW from the get go? Probably not given that Jericho and Mox were there and big enough names to bring in a part of the WWE audience over with them. And Punk brought new fans as well. Big names attract people - ask Bischoff what Hogan did for WCW when he jumped ship or McMahon when post-Rocky III Hogan left Gagne for him. That grumbling WWE fanbase brought over by the promises of Jericho and Moxley only to then return to the WWE product because it's trending now is quite probable (Much like WCW's nWo as The Outsiders+Hogan fans eventually went back to supporting McMahon). But is that "perpetually online" audience unhappy with AEW? That's a good question. And how big IS that audience anyway?

Its fair to say it was a bit of both 2019 was a horrible time in WWE booking have they had worse? Perhaps. There was also a renewed interest in indies and promotions outside of the US had that created stars which could form the backbone of a new and interesting promotion for fans in 2019.

Crazy how lately I agree with Bryan over Meltz typically...

Gotta also love how he downplays Cody's tweet, the bet, & Cody in general being a key factor in the birth of AEW

Kurt Angle didn't work hard in TNA according to Meltzer........let alone Christian, Bully, RVD, Hardys, Lashley, Drew, R-Truth etc

Dave very brave to admit that Jericho and Kenny were the only initial draws and the bucks and cody were not important to the companys initial success

@BainesMkII

27 күн бұрын

Dave didn't admit it. He said *NJPW* believed Jericho and Omega were very important (to NJPW), and that NJPW (wrongly) believed both would stay with them. NJPW believed the Bucks and Cody would leave, but NJPW felt the Bucks and Cody at the time weren't that important to NJPW.

wasn't dave also saying that WWE was the worst product in 2019?? I don't see how we can even dispute that, 2019 was absolute garbage

I was out of wrestling for a long time... definitely was sick of the Vince BS...AEW came along and now I'm watching more wrestling than ever. Every promotion...working with other promotions was really interesting to me. I had no idea there was a whole other world of talent out there and I thank AEW for that. 😊

Just wish Bryan would let Dave talk more

@andrewpollard_

27 күн бұрын

Maybe Bryan should get his own WOL show where he can ramble on and on about wrestling. Oh wait...

@luismaldonado9943

26 күн бұрын

@@andrewpollard_ Ramble is the right word

I find it very telling that Dave can't even comprehend what Brian is arguing. Yes, business was worse for WWE back in the mid-90s. But the shows were more watchable. As a fan, I can go back and enjoy the Bret and Shawn era, the Flair/Macho/Perfect era, and so on. Yes, there was some stupid stuff, but there was also enough there to make it entertaining. And there were actual stories being told verses the mid to late 2010s era.

Dave keeps talking about the 1800s like… we’re talking about modern day not the times of the bubonic plague

Bryan is right on this. I haven't watched WWE since AEW launched for multiple reasons, but mostly the suck and terrible lack of consistency in storylines week to week. Just now that Vince is gone am I considering coming back to check out the E. 47 yo dude here.

People fail to realise the state of 2018-2019 WWE, people were praying for a competition, they were so sick of Vince that they were giving AEW and tony a pass for the booking shortcomings early on, maybe making too much excuses. That may have had lured Tony into a false sense of security and validation about his booking . But now that Vince is gone and that WWE is slowly getting better and better with the PPV and stories (3 hours raw is still boring af outside of the main event), and that the novelty feeling of AEW has faded away, its really getting exposed. Personnally i blame the backstage politics, lack of leadership and constant hotshotting and burning through gimmicks when its uncalled for, and also an over reliance on indie wrestlers which makes the AEW product looks more second rate compared to the WWE guys who are better trained overall.

For Dave to even say out loud that AEW will be "more important than WCW ever was" based on this upcoming TV deal & they've only been around for 5 years...... I'm just gobsmacked at the levels of delusion & dickriding

AEW is just missing something right now. I don't know what that something is though. It's like that magical spark they had those first few years. They get it back every now and then, but then it fades away again. It may just be the injuries/ time off of MJF, Adam Cole, Kenny Omega, Juice Robinson, Britt Baker, and Hangman. That's a lot of top talent out. I think we may see MJF return on Sunday. It just feels like it's time. Adam Cole has to be getting close and I'd think once Cole is back to full time, Britt will be back as well. We need that Adam Cole/Elite angle. He's had almost no interaction with any of those guys since his debut.

@carlosr6462

27 күн бұрын

you don't know what? a lot of people had say it for years. They need a good booker, a structure, better producers that can hide the weakness of the talent, push wrestlers that can cut promos and charisma, less comedy gimmicks, comedy guys should be jobbers or midcarders at least if they want to be seen as a serious promotion, etc...

It depresses me how much aew has slipped off. I’m thankful for the good stuff. Their best most logical tv recently was the 6 weeks of collision whilst punk was in charge of that show.

how many time does he need to mention WWE 13:38 in 2minute

I find it so hard watching Dave talk

2019 was the crest of the indie wrestling wave. If they had gotten this company going in 2016 or 2017, maybe even 2018, they’d have had a couple of years before the pandemic to get momentum going and indie wrestling would’ve been at its hottest because the WWE product was so lukewarm.

@kaujuanrichey7100

27 күн бұрын

Stop it. The ppl up top, like Tony Khan don't know what they are doing. That's why they are dying

@paulmolive1821

27 күн бұрын

@@kaujuanrichey7100 I agree with you, but I was commenting on them saying that they started AEW at the “perfect time.” Their whole schtick is that they’re here to democratize pro-wrestling and fight the evil empire, but that sentiment was probably at its hottest a few years sooner.

Dave is crazy, been watching WWE since 1998 and 2010-2013 was light years better than 2018/2019. We got HBK/Undertaker 2, Summer of Punk, Nexus, Rock/Cena, debut of the Shield..etc where as in 2018/19 we got dog food, matches not going past commercial breaks, and different pairings of heel Drew, Dolph, Corbin and Lashley for months on end. It was brutal.

Started out great & was such a great buzz & shot in the arm for the industry. But ever since HHH took over they have fallen over a major degree. They can bounce back but its like 1 step forward & 4 or 5 back.

5 years into it, I love AEW as a brand. Yes, they have their issues, and that gets instantly magnified by how well WWE is doing, but I love how different AEW is from WWE. As a wrestling fan, I will always welcome any new promotion that is trying to portray the sport in a different way. I watch their shows and I feel entertained, including Rampage, but I get that the majority of casual wrestling fans don't feel that way, and that's up to AEW to address for the next 5 years. The recipe for success is not that hard actually, it's just about putting things in motion and being extremely patient. 1- Better management. The entire CM Punk situation was horribly handled and the effects of that are still felt to this day. While I love this new Young Bucks gimmick, I don't want fans in attendance to yell "CM PUNK" every time they try to cut a promo. While only a handful of those fans do that, it's still heard quite easily on TV, and that's just not a good look. I would also question why would a fan even pay money to go bash a product that they don't like, but that's a story for a different day. 2- Better stories. Wrestling shows should feel episodic, every Dynamite should lay the grounds for the one coming after, same goes for Collision. At the moment, I watch all these shows, but I don't get the difference really. Are they supposed to be different rosters? Is Collision a continuation of what happens in Dynamite? 3- Timely marketing. This is the one that irks me the most. A big PPV like Double or Nothing is happening this weekend and only yesterday did AEW announce a trios match for the titles. While I am definitely excited for this match, I can't help but feel AEW would have sold more tickets had they announced that match earlier, by at least a week or two. Add to that, there's no chance they can't fit at least 2K more people in their weekly shows if they just advertise everything ahead of time. Bryan has talked about this for ages, and I don't know if they improved on that but it seems unlikely. 4- Plan B for injuries: This one sucks because it's not really AEW's fault per se, but one can hope AEW's luck with injuries gets better with time. MJF got sidelined at the absolute worst time, Hangman is nowhere to be seen, and Adam Cole is still recovering his ankle for what seems like a decade. Add to that several key injuries on the women's side, and you can feel that the product dropped in value a bit in the last year or so. Granted, those who took charge in the meantime, like Toni Storm and Samoa Joe, have done phenomenal jobs, but I can't help but feel that AEW doesn't really deal with injuries that well. When Cole and MJF got injured, the entire Undisputed story arc became irrelevant to the fans. There is no hype when that stable walks out to the ring, and that's through no fault of their own. Tony Khan should have scrapped this story or at least postponed it the minute he found out MJF had a shoulder issue and Cole broke/shattered his ankle. Postpone the reveal until both are healthy and then pull the trigger. They didn't, and now I genuinely don't care about that faction although every member in it is so talented. 5- Listen to the crowd: It's time Tony Khan understands that the fans dictate the stories, not the other way around. If the fans hate a storyline, they will let you know. Serena Deeb, for example, was not working as a babyface in her feud with Storm. People just love Toni, yet Khan insisted that she should be the heel. Wrestling doesn't work that way. I can write just as much about the things that I love about AEW, so this is not me hating on the product. I respect what they give to the wrestling business, even if that's not everybody's cup of tea. With that said, I'll never understand the idiots who constantly bash AEW as if it was the worst wrestling product on the planet. This is nowhere near WWE 2010s, nowhere near TNA under Bischoff, and most certainly not even close to WCW in its final years. AEW is a successful brand, and its presence is good for wrestling as a whole.

@anthonylucero6650

27 күн бұрын

AEW sucks😒

@anthonylucero6650

27 күн бұрын

Screw AEW😒

@hadhoda12345

27 күн бұрын

@@anthonylucero6650 Then don't waste your time with it.

Bryan is right. AEW obviously benefited from the negative sentiment from fans towards WWE in 2018-2020.

tony needs to hire dixie carter as head of creative already !!

Uncle Dave loves AEW ❤️

Man, how can anyone listen to Dave. Won’t be listening again. He does my head in

Let's celebrate 5years of bad comedy and hope they won't make it to 6. Dave Meltzer's idea of what wrestling should be AIN'T WORKING. POP CHAMPAGNE 🍾 Dave😂😂😂😂😂

I hope Dave is as proud of his children as he is of Tony Khan and the Bucks

Thought the low point was the New Generation era. I would pay a lot of money to forget most of that era.

WWE didn’t want any of the AEW originals except Jade! And Voila! 😂

The UK has a thirst for wrestling, AEW has a bigger audience then wwe in UK, because they've been on ITV, I think they should just move to the UK, considering they have Ospreay and go to ITV. That could lead to success, the wrestling has always been a bit different here so with a bit of logic they can get by with out having to be like wwe. This is away of pivoting in WWE becoming booming over the last few years.

Dave Meltzer is constitutionally in capable of just letting Brian talk… He would rather talk about TNA in a segment about the history of AEW, then let Brian give his two cents uninterrupted

2nd Taker v. Michael’s at WM is ***1/2 at best though. Not bad but not great.

Almost got another BBBRRRYYYAAAAN moment

Brian doesn’t like that Dave is compromised. He’s not feeling it anymore. I don’t blame him

AEW is definitely not the same as it was in 2019 and has lost its cool factor, but anyone who wishes it to die isn’t a true pro wrestling fan. Having an alternative no matter how big or small as long as they have national t.v coverage and a place where wrestlers can work and get paid big money is great for the business. AEW definitely benefited the business when it arrived and has helped talent when their was nothing for them in WWE especially the black and gold NXT talent who knew under Vince they would be screwed and chose AEW. Their prob is a frustration with HHH a little that his core group in Black & Gold went to AEW after he built them up for so long, but then Vince canned NXT in favor of 2.0 which has had some gems but still. Nevertheless WWE is doing well but they are lacking some depth which is why having another company is good because talent can go back and forth when their contracts expire. Just like in sports it’s fun when talent go to other teams and you get to see how they do in other environments. Pro Wrestling is at its best when multiple companies are thriving not just one as evident from pre 2019 how bad it was here in the U.S

THE FUCKING IRONY OF DAVE LITERALLY SAYING THAT TNA TRIED TO HE WCWV AND TOTALLY FAILED BECAUSE THEY LOOKED TOO MUCH TO THE PAST WITH OLD STARS WHEN AEW LITERALLY HAS SIGNED RIC FLAIR AND HAD THEIR BEST PPV ON THE BACK OF FUCKING STING

If Russo booked the exact shows that Tony books, they'd be burying every week.

Vince getting outed of WWE & with Triple H as head of creative & Nick Khan there is why WWE got so hot. It had nothing to do with AEW.

Im still haunted by the late 2010s/early 2020s era of WWE.... Bryan was right it was the worst WWE had probably ever been as a viewer... just remembering a white meat babyface Roman vs Constable Corbin in a feud over dog food is enough to make me shudder.

The fist episode of Dynamite had almost a million and a half viewers. It has been dropping steadily since then and that trend will continue because of the fact that the company has no management.

AEW is the Al Bundy of Pro Wrestling! Polk High(Wembley)! 😂

As someone who went to the very first show in Vegas, Double or Nothing, I was extremely excited at the launch of AEW. However… With the departures of old school wrestling minds like Cody and Punk, And the ever increasing influence of the Cucamunga Bucks of all people… 🤦🏻‍♂️ AEW has failed to grow into a proper quality wrestling alternative, and instead has settled into it’s niche corner of haphazard indie wrestling with a billionaire’s budget. Such a shame of what it could have been. But hey, at least more people have jobs 🤷🏻‍♂️ So there’s that. I’m sure they’re all very grateful.

5-years in and AEW’s greatest single accomplishments are forcing WWE creative to chanfe for the better, contributing to making Cody the biggest babyface in modern pro-wrestling, and getting CM Punk to come out of retirement.

@brokenkayfabe

27 күн бұрын

all out 2021 was amazing as well...that first double or nothing and the general excitement about a wrestling company by younger, popular wrestlers for wrestling fans...The more Tony Khan began to become more front and center, the more it started to really stink...that whole fake punches thing, really allowed Tony Khan to feel like he knew better and AEW was able to coast off a few big signings while things were falling apart at the seams. Ill never understand how he just let Cody go...man i was so mad about that and to provide no real reason

So by Daves measurements, TNA was far more significant than AEW, WCW, or ECW due solely to the fact that it existed for a longer period of time. 👌

The fact that the only bright spot that aew fans can talk about the current state of aew is wembly which was almost a year ago says a lot. We all wanted this to work just like we wanted tna to work but when it turns into a dumpster fire most of us can admit it’s a dumpster fire