2015 - Puting wing on car is RICE 2019 - Holy shit this big wing looks amazing!

@Runmeerkat

4 жыл бұрын

more like we are back to the early 00's

I have an mid 90s fwd Celica, I put a factory wing from a JDM awd Celica on it. 400lbs of downforce at 120mph. It definitely makes a noticeable difference in the feel on the highway, everyday driving. The rear feels more planted, like there is a giant set of hands keeping the rear centered and hunkered down behind you. Helps balance out the oversteer when you're decelerating around a corner.

@lotuselansteve

6 ай бұрын

Perception is a wonderful performance improver :-)

@SpecialEDy

6 ай бұрын

@@lotuselansteve All cars have four tires. FWD or RWD only affects the traction while under acceleration. If you are going around a corner or braking, FWD cars and RWD cars are identical.

Great topic! Front wheel drive is naturally difficult to work with and usually requires loads of rear anti-roll to achieve a desired yaw. This compensation for the understeery forward cg, results in a snap oversteer in lateral load transfer situations. The trick to driving these cars is to be really delicate with the steering wheel and smoothly load the suspension on entry. Or hammer on the throttle when the rear end starts to come around!

@mayuravirus6134

2 жыл бұрын

Or for example like Hyundai Veloster N it has very stiff rear suspension so much so it felt like driving RWD with all those oversteer

After numerous requests asking that I subtitle my videos, I've put a transcript up for this one, I hope you enjoy it because it took more time than the video did to make...

@jasonthomas4895

7 жыл бұрын

KYLE.DRIVES would this apply to a sedan as well as a hatch?

@kilg8753

7 жыл бұрын

KYLE.DRIVES thanks

@ABCWarrior

7 жыл бұрын

Jason Thomas Yes I'm the theory seems to apply to every car. I don't see why it wouldn't apply.

@ABCWarrior

7 жыл бұрын

KYLE.DRIVES Thanks (:

@Guiovyd

7 жыл бұрын

KYLE.DRIVES i see you from Honduras, is too much easier to understand you with subtitles, thank!!!

"who cares what they feel like, its faster" such an engineer thing to say lol

@lotuselansteve

6 ай бұрын

What does the driver really want, comfort or speed?

Rear wings on FWD cars make no sense ? Ask pre-facelift Audi TT drivers.

@boothegoopc8417

7 жыл бұрын

TT drivers aint drivers. They are passengers like ALL Audi owners.

@TheCraftero

7 жыл бұрын

Say that to the Audi r8 v10 plus

@jakecole7447

7 жыл бұрын

+Boothegoo pc actually kinda true concerning my comment. Drive 200, Go from the Gas, Audi drives backwards.

@fernandofragoso4118

6 жыл бұрын

Sadly probably some of them arent here anymore to say. That was a big mistake in the conception of the first TT.

@paintslinger2009

5 жыл бұрын

So %30 rear weight and %70 front weight doesnt make sense to you? Its broken down as simple as it gets here

Please put on some Harry Potter glasses for the next video.

@WheatleyOS

7 жыл бұрын

*OH MY GOD I'M NOT ALONE*

@Thecardoctor365

5 жыл бұрын

krap101 😂😂😂😂

There's Racing. And then there's Ricing.

It's simple. If FWD cars don't need a rear wing or spoiler then obviously rear wheel drive cars have no need for front aero either.

@leoaraujo8590

2 жыл бұрын

3 years late but this argument would mostly work with RWD rear engine cars, normal RWD cars still have the engine in the middle or front so the weight is either split or front heavy.

prevents lurch under hard braking, equalizing braking force provides downforce in high speed corners, especially over hills (understeer isn't a problem at high speeds usually unless you have too much hp and not enough throttle\brake control)

I believe him because he's a professional and he's a wizard. Lol. Love the videos keep it up

I like this guy waaaaaaaay better than Engineering Explained.

@RaceboyYT

6 жыл бұрын

Zystus engineering explained is only for those people who think all race cars look like the batmobile

@toyotabrony

4 жыл бұрын

Zystus but engineer explained, explains more detail. This dude explained that’s not too detail and more cut to the chase

Another important thing to say is that the sort of wings ricers put on often don't create any downforce at all, just drag. But I agree a properly designed wing will definitely help an oversteer-biased FWD car. Like you pointed out traction becomes pretty much a non-issue at high speed.

Erm, Audi added the rear wing to first-gen TT's because it improved the car's stability on the highway, so even on normal cars, a rear wing may be a good idea, depending on the car's design.

@lmtliam

6 жыл бұрын

It seems that people were killed in Audi TTs as a result of poor rear downforce at high speed on those spoiler-free early cars. www.nytimes.com/2000/02/20/automobiles/audi-offers-tt-fix-after-5-deaths.html

@shaneclk9854

6 жыл бұрын

its the lift generated by the sloped rear of the audi

@LogieT2K

4 жыл бұрын

I believe it also had to do with the rear bumper creating a lift force at speed

@dwaynowilli6822

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmtliam big recall... They all got a rear spoiler.

The Type R wouldn't have an oe wing that decreases performance

@StuninRub

2 жыл бұрын

It does cause a loss of performance. Get rid of it and you will go faster.

@bawkray

2 жыл бұрын

@@StuninRub on the ass dyno??

Can you make a video about downforce in relation to speed? At what speed do spoilers, splitters, floors and diffusers start to generate meaningful downforce? (primarily for single seaters and slow corners) It would also be interesting to see how manufacturers make their road cars more efficient aero-wise. (maybe with some specific examples) Thank you for your very helpful videos!

Every ricer be like: See? Science!

@h5skb4ru41

6 жыл бұрын

Do you drive?

@TheCarpenterUnion

5 жыл бұрын

It's what the S in ricer stands for

So that's why the rear wing works on my AWD Golf. Thanks Kyle!

Awesome Scion xB drawing.😎👌🏼

I was at road atlanta today amd there was an Honda RSX thst was highly modified with a giant front lip and a huge spoiler mounted to the front core support through the hood and a big one on the back as well he dominated every car on the track when it opened up on the straight away i was shocked how well it drove the front end didnt lift at all

I have a 1.3L N/A car and the cornering was horrendous when it was stock. Even taking a wide corner at 80KM/H felt like the car was going to overturn and out of the corners, the back was wobbling. To over come this, I had to get larger rims at the back, change my street tyres to semi slicks, install coilovers and hardened suspension as well as install roll bars around the front and back axle of the car. The car corners great now and I'm thinking of taking it to the track every fortnight just to see my lap time.

After years of playing around with tune settings in Forza, I finally come to realize FWD cars with a tendency toward oversteer and high rear downforce was my jam despite it going against basically every convention hammered into me before. FWD instead of RWD/AWD. Slight tendency toward oversteer over the more predictable and consistent understeer. Rear biased downforce over balanced aero... It took me forever to figure out that that would somehow result in a car that worked, and was fast...and all I needed was to watch a six minute video.

@pikkyuukyuun4741

2 жыл бұрын

High rear downforce but you want oversteers? I dont think it works that way

@konekoray9323

2 жыл бұрын

@@pikkyuukyuun4741 I want oversteer at low speeds, where the downforce would be less prominent. But the faster I go, the more planted and stable I want the rear end to be, so the high rear downforce will come into play then to give me the stability I want at high speeds.

@spaceT999

Жыл бұрын

IKR, idk why everyone says FWD IS NO FUN, imo its WAY more fun than a rwd car. I haven't driven a fwd irl though only in asseto corsa (racing sim)

For straight line people my 1990 Acura integra which is stock mostly gained 2 mph in the 1/4. I couldn’t break 16.005 all day then I took the stock spoiler off and started running a pb of 15.7 at 87 mph. Around corners it’s helping throw the rear around a lot more and feels more predictable and on rails. I like It without a spoiler lol

thanks alot bro for clearing 1 of my biggest doubt 👏👍👌 stay blessed ☺😇

Maybe camber and lowering are more effective, and some stiffness in the front dampers seems to be a good solution.

We’d all choose RWD over FWD if it was alway an option & I’ve definitely overlooked some fun cars I’d never buy because they are FWD until a few years ago when I bought my Fiesta XR4/ST150. It’s only a 150hp 2.0L but it weighs less than a tonne & it’s a blast to tear around town in. I didn't think it was possible for a FWD get sidways with just the right amount of Yaw ... Ford did a really good job with the factory handling upgrades which surprised me the most as I just assumed it was the standard Fiesta with a body kit & more HP... Then to top it all off I find out after buying it that its made in Germany

I received a rear wing for my trackday Saxo andcit actually looks great. But the thing is that I also put a lot of importance on performance and this wing being a kind of "tuning" wing, I'm afraid to create lift at the backside and to kill myself in higher speeds like on the nurburgring. What should I do?

My car oversteers on slow corners but understeers on high speed ones lol. I think my flat under body and diffuser actually works a little bit so I have to make a better front underpanel, like an airfoil shaped one this time.

Also need to keep in mind, set your car up the same as everyone else. I had a low power car so amped up the aero and I could brake a full second later into the corners than everyone else. But since there were limited overtaking opportunities I found myself having to brake earlier to avoid other vehicles while still being slower out. Grrrr.

I can't tell you how many times I've explained this to people shitting on ricers and FWD cars

@kiliang96

6 жыл бұрын

Connor Nepomuceno Well as far as I know, a rear wing must be designed for that car specific, so ricers usually use like generic wings that goes for a Civic ir maybe for an A3 so I don't think are quite usefull, others user specific wings, that one are really doing something, I own a ZR that comes with a duck tail wing (I think is said like that) and is really noticable if you drive a Rover 25 that doesn have one, it brakes shit and in corners is another shir, in the other hand the ZR is really stable at corners

@fernandofragoso4118

6 жыл бұрын

They are useful but has to be administrated properly. Not random wings or aesthetically nice.

@jpogigtxcr1778

5 жыл бұрын

They are only useful when you reach high speeds at hitting and exiting curves. If you can't drive that fast on a curve. It's useless.

+KYLE.DRIVES It all depends on what situation we are applying it too. You mentioned for road car situation. I presume legal speed situation applies too in this scenario. Therefore, the function of a rear spoiler (in a FWD car) is to smooth out the turbulence air in the back which in turn reduces lift. I supposed this is a "downforce" in physics terms. However, at road legal speed, a positive downforce would be hard to produce and it would required a massive wing to do that. And it would produce enormous drag which is counter-productive, wouldn't it ?

@r6984

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, but, Say you autocross your daily driver fwd and set it up to oversteer on comand for better lap times on low speed tracks this car would be dangerous at hwy speeds ,a rear wing with modest down force can start to show gains at hwy speeds and make the car safe to drive and give it a dual personallity. For this purpose and staying within legal speed limits the top end loss due to drag is a non issue.

Hi mate!! Do you know a book/paper/thesis about front wheel drive race cars? Regards!!

The Focus RS has a rather busy rear. Can you do a video on that cars aero set up?

@NotSean269

5 жыл бұрын

I can't comment on the MK3 RS but for the MK2 one they HAD to do the big wing and rear splitter as they found handling issues with the added power, there is a vid on YT of a German engineer talking about this for the MK2. for the mk3 it could be the same, or since its now AWD its more likely they just wanted to keep the same aesthetic

well when they are put the wing the downforce increase at the back so the car wont easily understeer or oversteer because fwd car had most of the moving compartment at the front so the front is heavy and the back is light

I never did understand the argument about wings on a fwd. If they didn't do anything why do so many well regarded tuning houses and factory teams install them on their race cars?

@lotuselansteve

6 ай бұрын

Watch the video again, but this time also listen :-)

@chasespeer251

6 ай бұрын

@@lotuselansteve Congrats you answered a three year old rhetorical question assuming I was taking the opposite position I was and you still managed to be smug about. Outstanding, just outstanding. Im frankly too impressed to insult you

Another example for this is the "air brake" that some super cars have.

I have read that in a car like my own (hatchback that is) there is a lot of wake turbulence / vortex created at the back due to the wind's fast separation from the body of the car. So in order to reduce it , and keep the air as much as possible to follow the curves of the car (and not separate) I will need to extend my rear -OEM I should mention spoiler as back as my trunk in order to see results and gains (if any) would you recomment the use of vortex generators and possibly the extension of my spoiler or that would be futile for the size of my car ? -I think you also have it at the states , its a fiesta SES so pretty common

@KYLEENGINEERS

9 жыл бұрын

eagle Don't assume that attached flow is better, for a car such as a hatchback, you typically want a clean separated flow off the back to improve aerodynamic performance. This is the reason why many hatches have rear spoilers. I would not recommend vortex generators in this case.

@abomala1607

7 жыл бұрын

I confirm. Before i put a wing the rear windows of my hatchback was full off mud. I put a kind of flat wing extention now it keep clean much longeur at least turbulance are more far from the car and keep your car clean :D

KYLE.DRIVES nice info, here is a question for you since i dont see it on videos. What would a front splitter ( with a proper air damn also) do to a FWD with only the splitter , no rear wing

@paintslinger2009

5 жыл бұрын

It s %30 rear %70 front weight as is u will have a sloppy rear end as speeds would make it 80front 20 rear at 100 mph or more my theory if im wrong somone will comment

@konekoray9323

4 жыл бұрын

Basically you would see minimal change in low speeds, and at high speeds, you would get a car that turns in really well, sure, but is incredibly unstable and prone to fishtailing at the slightest suggestion of heavy cornering. If you set up your car to be neutral balanced at low speed by maximizing front end mechanical grip, the additional aerodynamic grip on top of that at high speeds would compound the issue. Basically, you may as well be driving at 100mph with your rear wheels in milk crates.

@dwaynowilli6822

3 жыл бұрын

@@konekoray9323 would be the complete opposite of putting a rear spoiler spoiler on.... If it was if both were tuned, to put down equal downforce, lets say at 100mph, then a splitter might help a fwd.

Here's the thing I am a oval track racer and the reason we run wing on fwd car is because your engine waiting is over the front coming fast into the corner the rear end with no weight you break loose

Is there a video to setup a street fwd just to drag race.

yo kyle, Can you explain to me how a torque-splitting Ferguson viscous-coupling-controlled epicyclic central differential works? I havent seen a video on this yet. thanks!

@KYLEENGINEERS

9 жыл бұрын

Andrew Askins Indeed I can, I haven't had many mechanical explanation requests lately, but I look forward to the opportunity. Might take a few weks for it to come out though!

@KYLEENGINEERS

9 жыл бұрын

Andrew Askins Video is up now, enjoy! kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIah2ap-mqjfhrA.html

Like, I dont think I'm a ricer... So I have a silver 2005 Mitsubishi 380 (Galant). It's got its base 3.5l engine which outputs 175kw (235 bhp) and 343nm (253 ft lbs) of torque. Its FWD of course but it will get to 100 kph (60mph) in 7 seconds flat. Its top speed is limited at 210 kph (130 mph) but some people say it can do 230 kph (143 mph) with the limiter removed. It still keeps up with my brothers v35 Skyline and I really love how sturdy my mitsubishi is... Anyway so I want to put black rims on it, a black roof wrap, and a beautiful carbon fibre 'GT' wing on the back mainly for the 'cool' factor... Does that make me a ricer? I definitely dont lie about my car's abilities to try to impress people, and down the road a bit I actually am planning on doing a few performance upgrades to her....

Gonna install spoiler on my honda fit now. Lol

Thank :) 🇵🇷

Except that aero forces rise and fall at a square function to speed. This is why aero means nearly nothing at low speed, and then suddenly it matters a lot. So, if this theoretical wing generates enough downforce to balance the oversteer in mid speed corner, will plow through a high speed corner like a tank. Or, if the car is balanced at high speed and low speed, it is squirrely and unpredictable at moderate speeds. This is why serious testing is necessary to make real usage of anything other than the most basic aero mods. Everything else is essentially random and nearly always counterproductive. And for the record, it is very easy to generate insane amounts of downforce on the front w/o a splitter. Wheel well and hood venting, and nearly invisible lip spoilers at the front bumper may not be sexy to look at but they work. Hell, just running a flat plate from the lowest part of the stock front wrap to just behind the radiator and parallel to the ground will generate enough downforce to make the car unstable at high speeds.

Will a small duck bill wing like on bmw have much effect ???

@shaggings

6 жыл бұрын

No. A wing needs some height... I would explain in detail but my english isn't good enough to tell you. all I can say is that there is not much air to use right on the trunk when you're moving.

Your drawing looks like a Suzuki Escudo Pikes peak edition!!

@jpogigtxcr1778

5 жыл бұрын

John Fraser oh that red car? That a beast in small package, charging up the hill.

I'm fairly sure that it's super effective at adding downforce when I hard park my civic

Can you do video on Hypercar Aerodynamics featuring the new Ford GT? I really want to know how that rear wing works without endplates and with such small size.

id like to know how many who has commented.. has actually built and raced a car.. i put a rear wing on my 1990 Lancer Hatch.. gained 15 seconds on my lap time at Benalla... but lost a lil time on the two straights... but that set up was useless at Sandown and Calder... but my intention was was to win.... but unless you can say you built or have raced... you can be armchair racers all you like... i remember 1988 Bathurst... the 4 cylinder Giant killers... anything to gain a second..

DO A VIDEO ON TILTY WHEELS!!seriously though, can you do a video on camber, toe out, and slamming out the car, etc "performance" suspension mods.

well then... I have no excuse to put a rear wing on my car now, it's a over steering mess at low speeds despite being a front wheel drive, but then the weight balance was something like 58% on the front wheels, but then again it does have a four wheel steer system so that could be what's getting me in trouble

Weird, theres been a spike in civic sales...interesting....

@TassieLorenzo

6 жыл бұрын

Because Civics are awesome. It's Japan's national treasure after all. The current generation is arguably one of the best small cars on sale. :)

now i know im a ricer that should not be ashame of my spoiler

Sir, how could you! I thought you ate rice for breakfast!

Love how you don’t want to be classified a ricer 😂😭 top guy

I disagree I own a type r and it’s a lot more tail happy once I got it on the highway with it’s wing removed. Not all wings function the same they’re specifically tailored to specific applications. The type r wing was specifically designed to work with all the aero on the whole car

I had a debate with a friend. Does the rear wing increase the speed of a car or make it faster?

@yeetyeet1308

2 жыл бұрын

No it decreases for more down force in the track

@tainted939

Жыл бұрын

a wing adds downforce, and also adds some drag. The wing will slow you down in straight lines, but allow the car to corner/turn better because downforce increases grip

What kind of car is on the thumbnail?

They Pretty , it ain't Rice'd without it :D

So all this time have ricers actually known how to customize cars properly?

@singleturbosupra7951

9 жыл бұрын

***** Well the people complaining about properly working wing, saying it looks rice don't know shit about cars. Some people might think it's ugly and that's their opinion, but if the wing is there for an actual reason not just looks, then it ain't riced. Then of course you have people that put big spoilers/wings on the car that does nothing good except trying to look cool, then that is riced in my opinion. Not hating on them though, they're free to do whatever they want with their car.

@NotSean269

5 жыл бұрын

@Boban Milisavljevic well depends if you tuned the wing to give just enough grip to the rear that when you shift or add steering input it doesn't go wildnly out of control, and finding that sweet spot between less rear rolling resistance and grip.

Wings on fwd cars is just awesome they totally turn heads

Even front wheel drive touring cars fit rear wings. I'll take their opinion on it long before some dude in the comments going "dur dur rear wheel don't power". Thanks for the video, hopefully a few of those guys shut up now. Haha.

Can you comment on how the height of a wing would affect its performance? By height, I am referring to the space between the body of the car, and the bottom of the wing, which is the low pressure area created by the wing. Does the size of the low pressure area affect how much downforce vs drag is created, or is that dictated more by the shape and size of the wing itself? I am getting a wing and I feel it mounts a bit too low IE the space between the wing and the body of the car is not that big, so I am wondering what I can expect and if mounting the wing higher would be better. What is the minimum height in your opinion you would want to have for the low pressure area to be efficient in helping the wing create downforce? This is the wing I am talking about, note that there isn't much space between the wing and the roofline/spoiler. shop.rallyinnovations.com/products/2014-2015-ford-fiesta-st-rear-hatch-wing Thanks!!

@Skyhawk656

7 жыл бұрын

When a fluid (like air) passes over a body, it has several things happening. it prefers to "cling" to smooth curves and eddie behind sharp ones. There is also something called a boundary layer I wont get into, but the key here is that if the rear of the car drops abruptly, there will be a lot of turbulent air in the rear. You need the wing in clean air to get the most out of it. wind testing is the only scientific way to be sure how high you need it.

@SpecialEDy

7 жыл бұрын

Franco Prado A spoiler sits right above the trunk lid, air spills over the tip of the spoiler instead of the edge of the trunk. There is a myth busters video where they prove a pickup truck is more aerodynamic with the tailgate up, because it traps a bubble of air in the bed that smooths the airflow. A wing, as opposed to a spoiler, is typically lifted high off the trunk so that it is in relatively clean and undisturbed air. It is also pitched at a much steeper angle to generate more downforce. The spoiler enhances the aerodynamics of the car and reduces lift on the body of the vehicle, but the wing produces aerodynamics of its own, and downforce. 4th generation Supra and the Superbird are good examples of wings.

I almost destroyed my car twice on the track, I get off the road at 200 km / h in a high speed curve. I have an audi TT mk3 and i use slick tires. I am negotiating an APR wing, I believe that I will solve my problem.

9/10 times the smartest people draw the worst on a white board

@raarnibb7217

4 жыл бұрын

That's the explanation only, silly

was this really a question tho?

A wing on any car that's not a super car or muscle car is just a nice hat on the head of a good driver. Seriously tho I put one on my FWD car that had a smaller wing and now I'm happier with the look of it. Does it make it faster nooooo. But it makes my bait ahem car look more appealing to the sexy ladies around town. Either way I would put a wing aka spoiler on a bicycle if I had one. Looks good won't hurt the car. Gets me laid. Point made. 🙌😎🌐🍺🚀🚗🚲🇺🇸💠♈♠💯💮🔹

@sgtvoncarstein592

5 жыл бұрын

Hell yea lol

Put a giant spoiler in the rear then lose lots of traction on the front. Wonder how they drift fwd cars in NFS Underground

@TassieLorenzo

6 жыл бұрын

Obviously you add a spoiler in the front as well.... See Alfa Romeo 155 BTCC saga in 1994... A front wheel drive! All BTCC cars were allowed wings (rear AND front) in the next season as it was just easier than the homologation debacles.

What's wrong with rice

RICE?

@user-gw5rx

3 жыл бұрын

Race Inspired Car "Enhancements"

I don't like the term ricer, there has to be something else

RICE is giving a car, racing credentials it does not deserve or need. It ruins the look of the car in 99% of the cases, some kits/parts are not road legal or have a proper QC certificate, or worse when the fabricator itself advises to not use said augments for any form of racing. You're entitled to your opinion, as well I'm entitled to mine, which is that your opinion about ricing is rubbish.

Wings don't belong on a fwd daily

Nobody: Kyle is a ricer!

Fast and Furious aero and engine mods = Stir fry, good for a moment but you still hungry later.

@jpogigtxcr1778

5 жыл бұрын

DiscoR53 That's noodles not fried rice.

now let me add to this it is pointless to add a wing on even a rear wheel drive car that will not be driven over lets say 100 mph why? cause it's as ineffective as the front wheel drive car that you think is a ricer ........it's too bad the people that use the word won't look at this video cause they know everything

@Skyhawk656

7 жыл бұрын

ever stand in a 30mph wind? 50? 60? air is powerful. A Cessna 172p/r/n will still produce adequate lift to pick up a 1500lb airplane at 43knots (49mph) downforce would need to be adjusted by angle of incidence at lower speeds, but aerodynamics are important in any case. A car chassis will displace a lot of air as it travels at even 30 mph (given that 2 objects cannot occupy the same space) and in doing so creates plenty of resistance. stick your hand out the window and see what I mean. that same Cessna with 180 horsepower has a terminal full power cruising speed of 110 knots at 5000 feet. Meaning air resistance on its minimal frontal profile actually stops the plane from accelerating any faster than that. To demonstrate that better we can use a heavier fluid (water), stand in a pool and swing your arm through it as hard as you can. not moving very quickly eh? then again cavitation may occur and reduce resistance for you but the resistance applies. How much frontal area is there for water to act against? 10 square inches maybe? Your car's frontal area may be measures in whole feet of exposed surface area for the relative wind to impact. parasitic drag increases with speed, so the benefits are LARGER at high speeds, but still apply at slower speeds.

@KuraIthys

7 жыл бұрын

And train designers have long since concluded that streamlining on trains running below 160 kph (100 mph) doesn't really do anything other than look pretty. Still, wings are a different matter, since they clearly can still do... Something even at low speeds. If that weren't the case I wouldn't be able to fly landing approaches at just 45 knots or the like. (~50 mph/83 km/h) Though incidentally the aerodynamic profile of something like a Cessna 172 is really quite bad for an aircraft (consider there are many faster aircraft with less powerful engines). The thing about aircraft is that overdoing the aerodynamics for purposes of speed or fuel efficiency can result in a less stable and harder to control aircraft. If it's almost unflyable as a result it doesn't matter how efficient it is. Construction also factors into it. A flying wing design or at least a lifting body is more efficient than a conventional aircraft, by some margin, yet this is a difficult structure to build and again, control issues arise. Also practicality problems with the interior... Drag of course follows an inverse square law. So while there is indeed some benefit at any speed, the benefits are exponential as the speeds get to be higher. This is why a train at 160 km/h needs streamlining, but one that goes 80 km/h won't benefit that much - it doesn't have half the air resistance, it has one quarter. Similarly, at 320 km/h you have 4 times the drag you do at 160 km/h, and 16 times the drag at 80 km/h Which is why a train designed for 320 km/h has very carefully thought out streamlining and aerodynamics, and one which is expected to mostly be doing 80 km/h or less is probably just a box on wheels... Exponential differences are not something people are good at thinking about.

@michaelw6277

7 жыл бұрын

ChristOpher DaNiel It can be effective to add aero to cars that spend all their time at low speeds. Have a look at some of the crazy stuff people add to their autocross cars, the parts are so large and exaggerated the vehicles look like caricatures of what you'd call rice. With wings you're choosing the size and angle based on the speed you want them to be effective at. Look at airplanes like the F-104 Starfighter, small stubby wings meant to go really fast, this plane doesn't work at low speeds and needs a lot of momentum to take off and land. Then look at the A-10 Thunderbolt with its huge, broad wings that allow it to make sharp maneuvers at low speed, but if you push it too fast, like in a dive, you'll experience high speed stall. Wings on cars function similarly.

@burakoshimazaki

7 жыл бұрын

ChristOpher DaNiel Anyone who uses that word which I consider derogatory regardless of its normality I instantly ignore or have significantly less respect for regardless of how much experience they have. To me, it's a word used by elitists who feel the need to put others down because the reasons they modify their vehicles don't fall in line with the ideals of the accusers, and I feel that those people have gotten so obsessed with themselves and their ways of car modding as "the right way" that they lose sight of the hobby and the different approaches people take to it that sometimes don't match their own. Live and let live I guess is what I'm saying.

@michaelw6277

7 жыл бұрын

Burako Shimazaki Sadly we haven't broken from the mindset that "if you don't like what I like how I like it" *insert derogatory term*.

Jesus that intro.. rip my fkin ears

Lmao i have a wing on my seadan

You really don't want weight on your rear axel on a fwd. hit a tight corner in a fwd with a wing it will cause so much unbalance. It will probably tilt over and roll. Smh.

@rockbottom2k283

6 жыл бұрын

Civic Kid yeah tell that to the engrs of type r who put rear wing on it which did 7.43.8 on nurburgring

@shaggings

6 жыл бұрын

You do realize that if you come up to a tight corner you most likely won't be going fast enough to develop downforce.

@rockbottom2k283

6 жыл бұрын

You do realize theres different kinds of corners. U can watch nurburgring footages to see how fast they enter most corners

@govinlock8568

4 жыл бұрын

You do realize FWD may oversteer too due to its light rear?

No, if u do a lap in a normal fwd car then put a rear spoiler and do that lap again it will slow it down a lot

@urib1184

8 жыл бұрын

theoretically no because more downforce would give you the ability to go around corners faster than you would be able to with a wingless car.

@urib1184

8 жыл бұрын

theoretically no because more downforce would give you the ability to go around corners faster than you would be able to with a wingless car.

@urib1184

8 жыл бұрын

theoretically no because more downforce would give you the ability to go around corners faster than you would be able to with a wingless car.

@kraken1473

8 жыл бұрын

No, for that you need a front splitter and a rear diffuser . A rear wing makes it slower, as top gear prove

@dekoldrick

7 жыл бұрын

The rear wing is there to keep the back of the car in check because a typical FWD weight is bias to the front. In racing applications, this could cause the rear to become unstable at higher speeds. So the spoiler is there to keep the rear planted to the ground and give the car more desirable handling around high speed corners. Just adding front down force to a car that is already nose heavy is just going to cause snap over-steer.

Terrible audio!

Kyle is the type of nigga to buy a automatic then lose a race and say I forgot to shift a gear

All I heard was him saying this makes FWD burnouts easier

Another part of the I wanna go "faster" equation. Then there is always theoretical vs actual. Good video.