Kortana is doing a great job not only flying, but also researching and modeling units for these scenarios. Very impressive. Bravo!!

@KortanaDCS

2 жыл бұрын

😊

Cap you make me smile (occasionally I'll even laugh outloud lol). " Now with Added Kortana" is obviously a major selling point (with good reason). I hope you're paying our good lady well? If not please give her a promotion.

@emanuelrivera7226

2 жыл бұрын

She’s good. Damn good

@markstott6689

2 жыл бұрын

@@emanuelrivera7226 Very true.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Thx Mark, trying to!

That is one thing about the B-17, it was an incredibly tough aircraft. You could lose huge portions of the plane, and she would keep flying. They did suffer pretty large losses, but they where able to keep the pressure up

@greg967

2 жыл бұрын

Watch Memphis Belle. You probably have.

@Mr-Damage

16 күн бұрын

That massive wing is what allowed it to fly with damage other aircraft couldn't handle.

Kortana's not just an excellent mirage pilot, she also knows how to make a damn good mission. Keep up the awesome work GR 💜

@KortanaDCS

2 жыл бұрын

🙂

@peterpike

2 жыл бұрын

@@jester1663 -- Spoken like someone who didn't watch the video.

@danthe360man

2 жыл бұрын

@@jester1663 ummm what

@danthe360man

2 жыл бұрын

@@jester1663 you couldn’t even hold this chicks jock strap my friend

Establishing air defence perimeters is very hard. It takes a lot of training. I served as a SAM battery officer in the Royal Artillery. It is a highly complex process.

That plane screaming in pain will live with me forever.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

I don't wanna die!

This was so cool! Thank you Kortana and Cap and rest of the guys!

This is probably why the NATO doctrine until the Gulf War was low level interdiction and bombing. Try it in a 70s or 80s era jet designed for that role and see what happens.

Once again, the damage modeling in DCS needs major work. Have you ever seen the old army footage of Nike-Hercules testing against drone B-17s? Spoiler - the B-17 didn't keep flying with only a few hundred of holes in it! Instead, a few crucial parts of the airframe came loose with lots of them on fire... Any one of these old Soviet SAMS detonating near a B17 would result in total obliteration. I know B17s were tough, but the DCS models are obviously made of Stalinium!

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Plz link footage :)

@Zoddom

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers I think I found it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpOotaulfcfAn84.html I agree, this looks a lot different than in DCS, although I think the Nike has a much bigger warhead than most modern missiles.

@aestasvivax1135

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpOotaulfcfAn84.html

@aestasvivax1135

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty high quality footage ngl.

@OliverMiles98

2 жыл бұрын

It's more that non-WWII weapons haven't been updated to work with the new WWII damage model.

"".. never got bored of a bomber formation that big" - True but imagine first day of Linebacker II with 129 B-52 in the air. 😍

@dragonace119

2 жыл бұрын

A formation of B-52s would be equal to dropping a nuke several times over.

@Rover200Power

2 жыл бұрын

The smoke from 129 B-52s would block out the sun.

@advorak8529

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine a 1000 bomber raid ...

@maxpesce

2 жыл бұрын

@@advorak8529 Late war (1944-45) raids had 600-1000 bombers + 100's of escorts

@advorak8529

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

Thanx Kortana for the time put in to make this awesome mission. :)

Welcome back Kortana! Great video as per

@KortanaDCS

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Sadly I'll have to spend a bit of time away soon (though there are a few videos with me in the queue :) )

That was exciting and fun to watch! Good job GR Great design work Kortana :)

"With added Kortana" - *Slams play button*

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol

Thank you all, great fun was had.

Great fun to watch! Nice job on setting up the missions--thank you all!

I've been binging for the last week or so, and I just want to say, Bravo! Cap, you are a fantastic presenter! Amazing how many videos you turn out, with a very high level of quality and editing to keep the flow. I can't wait for DCS to keep adding more realism to the simulations, just so GR can do more and more crazy sims.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sean

God I LOVE these IADS videos! This one was one of the best GR videos for me. Watching those missiles rocket up from the surface of the Earth and tear into that bomber formation, seeing them take massive amounts of shrapnel and many just keep on truckin till they end up dropping their bombs but mostly missing their target (which for the narrative I like to think was just intense psychological stress.) This one really turned out. Bravo.

@Cybrludite

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, even.with the Norden sight, area bombing was wildly inaccurate in WWII. Being miles off target wasn't unusual.

Good to see you have your priorities right

“Do something CJ!!” *R2D2 screaming intensifies*

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol

Cap your videos are starting to become battles I thought of when I was a kid 😂 Keep em coming!

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!

B-17's are incredibly tough. I once saw one case where the whole crew and all engines were dead and on fire but the plane kept doing endless 80 knot circles at 24,000 feet. I bet the carcass could have made it back home wings level.

@user-qn3xu5ee3t

2 жыл бұрын

It's just DCS DM is a joke

@voradfils

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t No joke, none of the engines were running but the plane didn't lose altitude. Some AI damage models are ridiculous enough that it's not even funny anymore.

@user-qn3xu5ee3t

2 жыл бұрын

@@voradfils hey, that's historically accurate, corresponds with the documentation and you know what, find some game where the DM is better!11!111!!!

Fun fact: We're still giving out Purple Hearts from 1945 because we minted so damn many in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese mainland that was canceled at the last minute.

@1981menso

2 жыл бұрын

You watch Dr. Felton?

@nocount7517

2 жыл бұрын

@@1981menso No.

That was awesome. If I ever gotta lay out the air defense for a city I'm giving kortana a call.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

yup

This is the best channel on KZread. I can't believe I just discovered it !

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Marc!

@simba1113

2 жыл бұрын

welcome there is a lot of great content to see.

That was cool! B-17s reached the target with minimal damage from the SAM missiles.

@christophero55

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I wouldn't say minimal damage. Those aircraft were all tore up and would need huge amounts of maintenance once they returned. But many of them weren't critically damaged even after that peppering, which I agree is really cool. :)

@rolfyboy8

2 жыл бұрын

@@christophero55 Ok. I was comparing them being by missiles to being shotdown by German fighters. It looked like there were less planes shotdown by missiles. Wait. Actually, I think the missiles did shoot down more than the German fighters, just a little more, but not a lot. You're right on not labeling it as minimal damage.

64 B-17s in a raid would be considered a very small raid. By mid 1943 a raid would use ~200-300 bombers. Fighter escorts could not cover them beyond the Belgian border. In early 1944 an 8th AF raid would be as many as 1,000 bombers and a similar number of fighters that could escort them to target and back (P-51s). Wonder if you could simulate Operation Carthage - the raid on the Gestapo headquarters in Copenhagen? The raid was performed with Mosquito FB.VIs flying at low level and an escort of Mustang IVs (P-51D). It was successful with the objective of destroying Gestapo records being met, but came at a high cost due to the accidental bombing of a school.

Great show! In my expenernce in DCS flying below the trees top makes it easy to dodge missles also when I flying a mission in the A-10A with 7 2000 pound bombs and 2 500 ones it looked like there was a bigger explostion after being shotdown when I stioll had bombs. So I think it would be worth testing.

Been watching on and off since back when you used the "W" word freely... haven't watched in a while...but the New Year's Video and this one were epic. The growth on this channel is amazing, keep up the good work. My first GR video (and DCS video) was a Canyon Run and it blew my mind a bit. Its funny how I don't fly in DCS but as a fan its still enjoyable to dream up scenarios and the future possibilities. I'm gonna jump in to DCS when I can just put on the ol' VR goggles and ride one of Caps bombs down to target like Major Kong in Dr. Strangelove. Give Lt. Pickles a chin scratch for me. Cheers from U.S.!

@MikelZappy

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the W word your talking about??.

@CMDRSweeper

2 жыл бұрын

It is strangely how entertaining GR's stupid shit as Cap calls it can be entertaining. The first vid I saw of GR was them bombing "help" to a ship out at sea in a storm to "save" them. Hilariously old, but still my favourite was Cap fighting to land his warbird with no aileron control and little rudder control, coupled with fighting the torque of the prop.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

ah... good times boys

@daemonllama78

2 жыл бұрын

w word?

@bjmccann1

2 жыл бұрын

@@daemonllama78 Yeah, what's the "W" word?

Do a 1960's raid with Tu-95's and Nike Ajax SAMs

@hertzwave8001

2 жыл бұрын

the ajax was already nearing obsolescence by the time the late 50s came around, which is why the hercules was developed to soon afterwards, the hercules would be a better fit imo

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Big boomboom!

@muskrathonmml3070

2 жыл бұрын

@@hertzwave8001 Then use the Hercules! That would be sweet as well!

Once the Hanoi setup is built, do whatever with it but keep it in the wings because once we get the A-6, we need to see one of them make a run on SAM CITY, baby.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

rgr

That was freaking epic! Love your channel

One of the more entertaining videos yet!

To put things in perspective, the 8th Air Force had more deaths during WWII than the Marines did in the Pacific. And Jimmy Stewart the actor, was a combat pilot in a B-24 (much better bomber than the B-17). And these guys had to do 25 missions before they could rotate....

@waynec3563

2 жыл бұрын

Clark Gable was a gunner in a B-17, flying 5 missions. The director William Wilder made a couple of documentaries in WW2. One was "The Memphis Belle", a film about a B-17 crew,. He flew with them on several missions. The other was "Thunderbolt", a story about a squadron flying P-47s. He filmed much of that from a B-24. He got partial deafness in one ear from flying in the B-24.

@florinivan6907

2 жыл бұрын

Its not exactly an accurate comparison to compare a branch of the armed forces to a large section of another. There were only 650k marines on active service at some point during the war including guys in training at the very end. Not all of these served in the 6 marine divisions that saw combat and incurred the bulk of combat deaths. A better comparison would be between those marines who actually saw combat with some regularity vs aircrews. Although even here its an apples and oranges situation. You need to count days in combat to get a better picture.

@RossOneEyed

2 жыл бұрын

@@florinivan6907 True, it's an apples and oranges thing. We could talk about casualty rates & all, but still, the 8th AAF had a significantly high rate. There was a reason they made a movie about the first plane to actually get to 25 missions.

Haha cap remembered to add with added kortana this time. This get the views up

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol yup

" You're a little more on fire than usual" LMAO 👍😅 Honestly, this was Better than most of the programs i've seen recently on T.V. Great Job..

The Fact some of them made it pass. Is outstanding

*Thanks for informative video bro!!!*

The Wright Double Cyclone 18-cylinder air-cooled radial is a BEAST. The engines could have entire cylinders blown off and they'd still run.

When the bombers did an unexpected turn, I was wondering if the AI had any flak avoidance smarts to make turns and altitude changes every 25 seconds or so (kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4aYwaOQYcTAaLA.html) but then they ended up flying through a cloud of flak. Maybe there aren't that many good options for flak avoidance at the end of the approach if the ground crews know what you're trying to bomb.

@doubleT84

2 жыл бұрын

True, that one B-17 seemed to know it was the one targeted and then flew down and up so the missile missed.

The Mosquito should be able to outrun the B-17s.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh just took a while to get up to speed.

31:10 “the priority is that I (Cap) survive and keep the brand alive” 🤣

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol

Of the 3,885 crewmen aboard B-‐17 Flying Fortresses that went down, 2,114 (54.4 %) did not survive; 866 of the 1,228 on B-‐24 Liberators (71.3%) died; 190 of the 236 (80.0%) fighter pilots who went down perished.(note only a rough estimate for a single squadron of the us air force.)(8th)

I was in ADA in the 80s, in a HAWK battery, stationed in Germany. I absolutely loved this.

the bombing raids against Hanoi we had a lot of jamming and anti Radiation missiles in order to get the b-52's in there (not all did their jobs though), so keeping real to that will be nice.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

thx

20:55 sounds like R2D2 in tons of pain....

Having lost an Uncle to a German night fighter over Belgium in 1942, I can tell you flying a bomber at night was not hiding. He was a with the RCAF crewing a Wellington.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kris

Kortana has a lovely voice... :-)

The fragment pattern at ~14:45...yeah, ball turret and waist gunners are spaghetti meat sauce in the back.

It worked Cap. "With added Kortana" is basically an auto click for every valued viewer.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lols

Amazingly fun! Yes PLEASE do a vietnam version of this-- with time accurate jets! :D

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

will do accurate and 5th gen.

28:41 "Found the Achilles heel of 60s SAMs - fly low" And that was the Tonka GR1 for you. Brilliant low level. Sucked at medium level... probably never got up to high level. But low with its TFR and under 50ft... awesome. (Yes, the Buccaneer could go lower without TFR just through aerodynamics, but they both proved the low level concept).

Does Kortana have a KZread or a twitch? I feel as though she has a bunch of useful information we could learn from!

@Kevin-hb7yq

2 жыл бұрын

She has a wonderful voice and personality

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes just search Kortana

Your Much More on Fire than Usual.... (Best Line EVER!)

Cj plane sounds like r2d2 getting shot

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol

My grandfather was a navigator in B-17s during the war

Not sure if you've done this already, but this makes me want to see you guys simulate a WWII bombing raid. No what-ifs, no modern tech, just a massive bomber formation with escorts versus the interceptors and anti-air of the defenders

That was exciting!

You should have had the Mossie flying in ahead of the formation at low level to mark the target like the Pathfinders would have done irl. And if you think the B17s can take the punishment, the B24 Liberators could take even more and still fly.

The 60's Sam sites were why the F111 and Tornado were terrain following!

Hey Cap! Awesome episode as always. Next time you do the Birds and the Bees, suggest that someone fly a B-17 as a Big Bee, big bolls!!! Cheers!

@Kevin-hb7yq

2 жыл бұрын

B-17s hunting Swordfish?

@Davros-vi4qg

2 жыл бұрын

B17s aren’t playable. 🙁

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Rgr!

I wonder what the fragment size is when comparing the SA's to the 88mm flak guns. Fragment size and the speed the aircraft is flying at makes a pretty big difference when looking at damage. A relatively small hole in the fuselage at high speed will cause more damage then at low speed; wind sheer tears the skin off.

@trolleriffic

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about fragment size but there was an enormous difference in explosive energy. Apparently the 88mm HE round contained 1kg or less of explosive in a ~9kg round while the SA-2 (S-75) used a 188-197kg (depending on model and sources differ) warhead containing 130kg of explosive. From FAS: "At medium and low altitudes the kill radius [for the S-75] is about 65 meters and the blast radius for severe damage is 100-120 meters. The maximum blast radius against a high altitude target is approximately 250 meters, due to the rarefied atmosphere. "

@stevenlarratt3638

2 жыл бұрын

Sa-2 frag used to be a 50% lethal range at a quarter of a mile. The other thing to consider is that frag will more than likely go through the fuselage of older aircraft. Where as the more solid aircraft of the Vietnam war would have more potential issues.

@TheDgdimick

2 жыл бұрын

@@trolleriffic IIRC, most SA's use a type of pre-fragmented warhead. Think Claymore Mine. Where the 88's used HEAT rounds, my research hasn't found and AP type rounds which would have been much better for AA. Warhead weight only really matters on kill radius, how far are the fragments going to travel. It's the size of the fragments, number of them, size of the aircraft, and speed of the air craft. I've seen 105mm HE rounds that left fragments the size of a mans chest, not real dangerous unless your "that guy" that gets lucky enough to win that prize. Yet the average grenade as fragments of about 10mmX10mm. Consider this, a modern air craft is a lot smaller, and has a lot more "critical" systems crammed into the air frame, where the WW2 air craft had a lot less crammed into the same sizeish air frame. The B-52's are a prime example of speed vers damage. Small holes, become large holes very quickly due to wind sheer. The Lockerbie downing demonstrated this pretty well. I'd like to see if DCS used a speed variable in their damage code. Probably not, since it's a pretty complex model. As always, just interesting questions from a guy that seems to always ask them.

@Kevin-hb7yq

2 жыл бұрын

it would be really interesting to know the difference in total energy and shrapnel velocities.

@SonsOfLorgar

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDgdimick the 88 used time fused HE in an AAA role, not the HEAT or APBC or APCR they had for the Anti tank role or the impact fused HE they had for use as surface to surface artillery

"I hope you get out too Simba but the priority's I survive!" lol!

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lols funny

12:38 the flight time for an 8.8cm Flak-43 was 11 seconds for around 30,000 feet.

I'd love to see how crazy of an iasd Cortana can make using every single sam and aa gun in the game

Thanks!

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hugh! You rock :)

The priority Cap gets out 😄, so nice of you Cap!

The reality is... Those bombs still dropped on a town that needed it....

What about the bombers dropping chaff the same as they did in WW2 to confuse the radar?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea.

Say what you want about B-17s, they were designed to get back home, with or, in a few cases, without crew.

This was interesting to see. The low level fight would have been harder to pull off if proper short range AA was available, systems like the ZPU-4, ZU-23-2, or the ZSU-23-4 Shilka, all of which would have been available in this time frame. Even with incorrect damage models (A B-17 should not have been able to tank a SA-2, let alone an SA-5), you can see the difference that modern SAMs make. The increased range, more accurate targeting, better able to handle multiple targets are major improvements over the old 60s SAMs, but that doesn’t make the older stuff not dangerous. I suspect if damage was better modeled, the B-17s would not have made or barely made it to the target.

No mystery here. in vietnam US planes had a tactice call the sam box, As long as the aircraft are close enough the missile see the formation as 1 target and fleis right thru, If the planes fly further apart at some distnce the sams will hit them

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

cool

That SA 5 looks like a old bloodhound missile

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

agree

Just found you channel and I think ive binge watched 8 or 9 videos. Love the variety of craft used and found that you are ven using sci fi craft. Any chance of using Battlestar Galactica Vipers against some WW2 planes. No idea if they are available but that would be really fun.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome and will certainly try!!

I don’t like it when Kortana gets damaged….😂

ME :Kortana , Make me a Samich .... Kortana: I"m sorry, I don't know how to help you with that, but here is one hell of a mission ..

You forgot about the SA-4 GANEF and the Geko systems

11:20 "There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity". To paraphrase Jonathan Bryce from Tomorrow Never Dies: That line is measured - only - in success.

Great video Cap !. Katana’s air defense systems are always hell on wheels , arse kicking grinders . She makes it a very hard gauntlet to navigate. Smart Lady. Very impressed with her details and understanding of Air defense systems . She’s a good egg! What a difference in 40 years of technology. Still deadly systems . Could you do a video that is kind of a contest of Pilots having to navigate different air defense systems . Example . Guys fly through a 50’s , 60’s 70’s ect all the way to the modern system . Fighting as a wild weasel pilots through 4 to 5 different air defense systems . Maintaining certain air restrictions depending on what defense system they are flying against . The first guy that makes it through wins. And of course you would have Katana as the designer of the gauntlet of hell.

@KortanaDCS

2 жыл бұрын

We can probably make that happen 😈

'The priority is I survive!' Selfless as ever!

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lols

Can i be that guy that everyone hates for asking for more explination the first time you mention system names etc, Im extremely interested but i find myself putting off watching videos untill im able to sit and actually pause to look up half of whats being discussed. feel like i cant be the only one especially as this awesome channel grows and pulls in more viewers that arent exactly full enthusiast. Regardless thanks for the great content !

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Believe me I would LOVE to but, the more talk I do, the less people watch. It's an annoying feature of KZread.

Hanoi attack would be very cool. Could Blue infantry be involved to try and stop friendly fire? Added realism

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Recorded it last night. was awesome!

@henrygibson9613

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers looking forward to it!

10, 561 planes of varying types were shot down over Europe, 4754 of those were B-17.

Wonderful boom boom!

Awesome!

I'd like to see how you guys would play a scenario from Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising (1983).

Also Cap, sometimes the B-17 would only be flying at 80 knots 🪢 indicated because of at altitude airspeed.

Attention Capt: You talk about how well the A-10 proves itself to be in ground attack missions, such as the Vietnam scenario you recently did. Well, believe it or not, much like the F-86 Sabre was the son of the P-51D Mustang, the A-10 was the son of the A-1 Skyraider: A fighter introduced in 1945 (Too-late for the war) that was meant as a replacement for the Mustang. With it's 90-mph stall speed and capacity for more bombs than a B-17, it saw much use in Vietnam for ground attacks much like the one you recently did. A couple even shot-down a MiG-17 during 'Nam! That said, here's an idea: Run the WWII scenarios you ran unsuccessfully with the A-10 again, but with the A-1 instead. That way, you could run it with more advanced weaponry (Vietnam-era, but better than WWII stuff... plus radar!) yet still be able to tangle with the Bf-109s with turning rates/radius that'll easily pull lead on the "Jerries". Now...Given that the deciding factor of the victory in this scenario was the shear number of bombers used, imagine a swarm of A-1s large enough to use the equivalent all that fuel used by those B-17s bombers, instead... causing the SA's radar even greater difficulty in tracking them. Or... you could just run the same again, but with a swarm A-10s on the attack... flying low, like you did with the fighters here. =;D

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Downy :)

My Father was RAF, Bloodhound Missiles

very enjoyable

The Lanc had the problem of being damn near impossible to get out of in flight.

The missiles prioritized lower altitude targets and thus were prone to firing at aircraft that were already effectively going to crash, eating up valuable time.

Should have 1M subscribers , KZread algorithm must me broken! Keep up the entertainment Cap!

@Kevin-hb7yq

2 жыл бұрын

It seems to occasionally unsubscribe me

And obviously Cap, love this page!!!!!!!!

"good luck...even Damp" xD

Did you know that the Grim Reapers were a specialized kamikaze hunter squadron flying Corsairs from the U.S.S. Independence during the later part of World War II?

Just from presentation, I feel a blood bath....

Does DCS simulate crew health for AI aircraft? I can't imagine many crew members still being alive after a hit.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Neg. Very simple plane health bar.

cap, great videos, could you do the D-Day landings with B52 with ARK-LIGHT, it would very interesting to see the results and if the sea would absorb the explosion’s or not, thank you Grim Reapers 🙏

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

wil do

@peterjones2241

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers thank you so much 😊

When you defend yourself from enemy attack and go bankrupt in the process. I wonder how many SA2/3s would flat out miss from the tight bomber formation making a massive radar signature and the missile guessing where the plane actually is.