I can't believe I'm posting a suggestion video on here: I don't know if you did the Valentine's Day 1991 F15E "only air to air kill" [drones excluded] with a GBU-10 2000Lber on an Mil Mi-24 Hind helicopter. (To use the full helo name) I can include the link but, I'm sure you can find it on here. Sandboxx did a thing on it. -Invaluable Viewer. (Keep up the entertaining stuff and be well. You've mellowed out in the last year. ;) >Be Well)

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Here Sir: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4egqauxlricpZs.html

@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Well done sir. Thought it was a flashback. Figured you covered it. Guessing no F15E since "people love dem dogfights.".

@TonyL-gw4qx

2 жыл бұрын

I remember this one it’s good!

@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyL-gw4qx Concise and to the point. Great editing. Even fast forwarded the mundane parts. ;)

@JETZcorp

2 жыл бұрын

@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO The F-15E is in development.

I like these I just wish the damage model was a more realistic.

@sosayweall1201

2 жыл бұрын

The WW2 damage model is great, it's just that modern stuff (including missiles) hasn't been converted to this new dm yet

@user-qn3xu5ee3t

2 жыл бұрын

Ww2 DM is shit. B-17 tanks WfR-21s and multiple R4M rockets. Even P-51 does

Cap: "This just sounds like war porn...." I love a variety of the things you guys in GR do but sometimes I just want to see some finely curated Boom Boom. This video has made this valued viewer happy. Thank you.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol rgr

@PrinceWesterburg

2 жыл бұрын

There's the fun of flight, strategic thinking, the fascination of engineering and application of hardware and this all comes together in DCS but never forget war is ultimately about killing. If you just want things blowing up then get a Xbox.

@jimrussell4062

2 жыл бұрын

Wait isn't most of what GR does just fun war porn? That's what makes it fun to watch!

@DSiren

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers IDK I do think testing the capacity of CIWS to protect against a Thousand Bomber Raid would be extremely interesting given CIWS or the land version C-RAM could intercept the bombs themselves. I guess the question there is not 'can C-ram defend a city from a thousand bomber raid' but 'how many C-ram systems are required to protect a (strategic objective) from a thousand bomber raid'.

@paulleach3612

2 жыл бұрын

@@PrinceWesterburg Speaking as an ex-Royal Engineer Sapper (with a very unhealthy obsession with H.E.), I say war IS all about just blowing things up. Unless you've giggled like a loony while helping unleash a Python against an unsuspecting enemy, in a manner it was never intended to be used for, then you've not really lived.

Part of the problem is that when the lead aircraft is taken out then that whole group of planes gives up. there is just no way to manage that many bombers to all acte independently but together as a flight in DCS.

Valued viewers approves. Every time.

a measly 64 bombers? c'mon now. most WW2 bombing raids were done with a minimum of 100 bombers also went incredibly overboard on the SAMs

@reefta

2 жыл бұрын

Cap would need to steal super computer from Nasa for that

@oscarzheng9902

2 жыл бұрын

if they did 100 bombers, the server's gonna crash so it's better than nothing

@davidwinter3591

2 жыл бұрын

agreed. records show up to 100 bombers per mission. the problem is that I doubt you can model that in DCS in AI and have accurate representation. now IF you had a server that could handle 100 real world individual pilots on each (without crashing), while maintaining WWII flight standards.... Well the outcome would be interesting to say the least. right cap?

@PrinceWesterburg

2 жыл бұрын

When 128bit computers using gallium arsenide CPUs with terabytes of Octane memory become available, Yes! :D

@jimrussell4062

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidwinter3591 Well you could if you scale the air defense down too... cut each in half?

By my count you had around 220 S300s. This is ~25% of the total S300s in service.

@MrEshah

2 жыл бұрын

To me it looked like 5 sites of 12 units - a detection radar unit, a command unit, an engagement radar unit and 9 launcher units per site, so 45 launchers with 4 missiles per launcher, 180 missiles in total.

Should make this a Dresden size raid.

@nigeldepledge3790

2 жыл бұрын

That'd crash the server before the bombers were all in the air . . .

s strange as it sounds, something like this isn't... impossible... Germany started investigating the use of high altitude SAM's in 1941, and had a working prototype in 1943... had the project leader not been killed in 42... and had germany actually funded the project properly... its likely that by 1943 germany would have been operating a sam system, as it was by 1944 they were test firing one. by the end of the war they had produced some 35 of them, but the reality is, if they had funded it properly, they might have been producing a few hundred a month. so the chances of US Pilots having to face something like the SA-1 or SA-2 missiles (25 mile range with a large 250-500lb HE Frag warhead.) where tight bomber formations would actually risk a single missile taking out not just a single bomber but 2-3 per... It would have put bombing missions in serious jeopardy.

@neyt9699

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but it cannot be said that they did not finance what was needed. They just funded a lot at the same time. Nuclear bombs, night vision goggles, jet fighters, assault rifles, and much more that were ahead of other countries in time. In fact, many of the developments other countries took from them.

@jenniferstewarts4851

2 жыл бұрын

@@neyt9699 Oh yeah, most of russia's military advancements, from the RPG's, to the ATGM, were all based on german inventions. Russia got a HUGE tech jump after the war.

@neyt9699

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferstewarts4851 The same can be said for the United States. They got even more because all German scientists fled from the USSR to the west. America was the first to make nuclear weapons in the same way thanks to the development of Germany.

@neyt9699

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferstewarts4851 compare Horten Ho IX and "spirit B-2". :)

Thank you for posting this. I see you're taking lots of ideas from the comments and it's fun to watch.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

Just subbed, great content, great gamesmanship, and some very interesting scenarios.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

WElcome

That was fun. Good job boys. Cheers.

These wargames are literally the best.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

My favourite also. Tonight's vid should be best one yet.

Sweet as, mate. Great scenarios.

Hey Cap this was one of the most fun if not realistic videos on your channel. Sometimes it's just good to see Boom Boom 💥 wargame scenarios.

the missiles are like hyper accurate and precise flak, the b-17 bombers did not stand a chance

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

I *think* the Gargoyle was not actually that accurate, hence need for a massive warhead.

@bescotdude9121

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers that makes sense, but if you compare WW2 flak to a modern missile system, the missile system has a much higher hit probability and with such a large warhead a very high kill probability

@malnutritionboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@bescotdude9121 yea i heard that a 200kg warhead has 250m blast radius due to the shockwave of air. if a missile is accurate to 70m a tight formation of bombers is gonna have lots of holes punched through

This was a good one. Try this again with simultaneous high and low altitude attacks

@omnishambles5110

2 жыл бұрын

With the mosquitos coming in from a different angle. Your civilization has discovered the technology: SEAD

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

rgr

Super cool boom boom. Had me cracking up.

Nice, if Germany had perfected the V1 rockets with adequate guidance, and created smaller versions against bombers it might have been interesting.

@JSheepherder

2 жыл бұрын

The Third Reich had no less than four surface to air missile programs, none of them worked well enough to be made operational. The two that had the most promise were the Hs 117 Schmetterling and the Wasserfall, and it was the capture of documents and scientists related to the programs that convinced the Soviet Union to be an early adopter of surface to air missiles and embark on the program which would produce the S-25 Berkut.

"War porn: Most fun you can have with your pants on." -- my brain

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol

Damn is the best! Thank you Cap!

how are the mosquitos surviving even a single hit? isnt the plane made mostly out of plywood?

@12vibaba

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think a single sheet of aluminum is much stronger than plywood. Plywood is a composite material. pretty strong.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

These wwII planes aren't really modelled for missile hits.

"The pilot is fully erect." PHRASING!!!!

Nice video. what I miss is some newer AA Guns, like Shilka, Gepard, M113, Mantis, etc. Keep going!

@SonsOfLorgar

2 жыл бұрын

And the CV9040 AAV

16:30 needs to be in a picture frame. Sheesh!

"Tails are for losers." CLASSIC!!!!

Love how you add players views in like damp

A thousand plane raid would be more realistic. Eighth Air Force have lost 64+ bombers in daylight bombing raids WITHOUT your IADS in WW2, although from fighter defenses. Your mosquitoes are WOODEN, thus stealthy to RADAR.

@JSheepherder

2 жыл бұрын

This is not correct. Even if you are to naively assume that wood is perfectly translucent to radar, they didn't make the engines, propellers, bomb racks, and fuel tanks out of wood.

Wow! Wot fun! 👍

Been driving all day yesterday. Wanted to wish you a belated happy birthday Jon. You share the same birthday with my wife.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and happy birthday to wife x

Could we run this same scenario for modern jets now? See how 64 modern jets would do? Because I'm thinking they'd get wrecked pretty bad too given that's 5 sites x 28 missiles = 140 late model SAMS in the air. Even a modern jet could have trouble with over 2 SAMs per jet. That's a MASSIVE air defense net.

@jimrussell4062

2 жыл бұрын

The mosquitos did pretty good using NOE tactics.. only failed when they started flying higher (and their evasive maneuvers was to "pitch up to climb" and not turn or dive lower? I think again modern jets that did the same AI script for this would find the same result.

@qiyuxuan9437

2 жыл бұрын

Moden jets can fight back with anti radiation missiles....

8:37 - AI's like "Wtf--WTF!?!" XD

Ok we've crashed behind enemy lines, burn the codes, destroy the iff and get the trampoline out.

Sounds like they need new tactics and spread their B-17 formations out a bit more and tighten up at the target

I love when a thang occurs!

Would have been better to use a more realistic IADS. There is a real world example where this is an issue. North Korea's Air Force has the potential to cause heavy task and target saturation against RoK/US air defense. Throw in human operators and friendly aircraft into the mix and there's a real possibility quite a few enemy aircraft will get through. Taking down IADSs was my job for nearly 20 years in the USAF and run through plenty of Joint and Coalition live fire or simulated exercises (and combat experience) to know that no country has a 100% effective IADS setup.

You should do this with sams and flak and triple A spread out into integrated defensive layers. Because that’s how many integrated air defenses work they detect and determine the incoming aircraft type and intention the if determined to be hostile and the closer they get the more they insnared they become. Iraq during the Iran- Iraq war and the gulf war used this system. Israeli has next to the US and Russia one of the densest tightest rings of integrated defense systems on the planet not rockets nor artillery shells and certainly not enemy aircraft will make it through between IDAF or ground forces batteries

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

will redo

You need to conduct this raid with all live pilots. I question DCS's modeling of the Mosquito's rcs.

@qiyuxuan9437

2 жыл бұрын

Not possible, human player has much higher stress to the server....

Nice

02:03 That is not Berlin. that is Lille city in France !

Couple of suggestions:- WW2 bombers against SM2's. Then see what happens when a nuke is detonated in the middle of their formation :-)

8:39 lol, sneak that footage into the memphis belle movie

good fun, thank you. vvvvv

Hi Reapers Love this channel, how about modeling hundreds of infantry with MANPADS Stuka vs Manpads would be a giggle

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

cool

"Tails are for losers!" Hahaha

What section do you have IADS with other planes on your video selection? Thanks

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Will make an IADS how-to vid soon. I think you can search "grim reapers IADS" should come up.

@TonyL-gw4qx

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers thank you again for the help!

19:11 “But the pilot is fully erect”. Super Cap 2021. 😆

That was brutal. Considering B-17's went off in 1000 bomber raids the ratio of planes to missiles was badly skewed in the missiles favour. I accept the system cannot handle a thousand planes so the number of missiles ought to have been reduced.

@trolleriffic

2 жыл бұрын

Change the missiles to nuclear-tipped models. Show those B-17s what superior firepower really means!

Great for a LOL :)

Is it possible to do a video tutorial on how to set up an IADS system. It would be much appreciated, no one has has ever done a video on this.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Working on it, sorry for delay.

+GrimReapersAtomic *The high-altitude mission should have been escorted by at least a dozen U. S. Army / Republic P-47D's packing twelve to sixteen 120mm rockets* in addition to full .50" ammunition for the eight Machine Guns AN M2A1; the Pursuit would be available for SEAD/DEAD. The low-altitude attack was the optimized mission of the U. S. Army / North American B-25 Golf and Hotel, as well as the Royal Airforce (GBR) / de Havilland Mosquito NB.V; I suspect one subtype of the U. S. Army / Glenn L. Martin Co. B-26 was able of low-level attack, but I forget which subtype: The objective defenders with the SAMs are ill-prepared to fire at low-altitude targets, where autocannon are better suited.

@MandolinMagi

2 жыл бұрын

P-47 could only carry ten 127mm rockets.

Can you do the same but with S60's and ZSU's?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

I have already done this already but for the life of me I can;t find the video, sorry.

Hi Cap! I was reading the hunt for red october. in one of the chapters a patrol of 2 F-14s intercepts a group of 4 Yak 38 One of the Russian pilots believes that one of the F-14s fired one of his missiles and launches 4 R-60 missiles. One of the R-60s hits the Tomcat and seriously wounds the RIO. After a moment of tension, the F-14s returned to the aircraft carrier when they saw that the Russians were returning to their aircraft carrier and were not aggressive. it was all a confusion. Can you recreate this in DCS? maybe using Harriers instead of Yak 38?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Will try

Wonder what it would be like in a layered defense. Long range Anti aircraft missiles medium range short range and radar controlled AA guns.

@joemanthei3251

2 жыл бұрын

Tungooska

I dub the S300 (at least the one in game, in real life? Not so much) as The Annihilator!!

hmmm, thinking,,, maybe SU25 vs ww2 bombers? still armoured, but a bit quicker than the a10

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

agree

7:21 WOW as odd as this scenario is, it just looks like light colored flak

So a party of the IADS link is assigning specific targets to each missile and is Damm his and accurate... in real military life not to mention they're normal targets travel a hell of a lot than 250 mph cruising speed of a typical b17

those missiles,,, theyre like 1000lb bombs

0:30 yes....now make more.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes SIR

What is "slow" for missial ?

Don't know of it was you or the AI that did it but, American Bomber Strategic Bomber formation flew in groups of 3 not 4 as this scenario has it; with each group at different attitudes so the formation should have been more spread out horizontally and vertically.

SA-2 warhead has a quarter mile effective radius.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

oooOOO

@Andrew-13579

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of SA-2. Have you tried a string of 99 B-52’s in 3 ship pods against maybe 25 SA-2 batteries? Or, maybe scale that back to 33 B-52’s (using ECM?) and nine 6-launcher SA-2 batteries…can they reload? Maybe a couple piloted F-15’s flying “camera” escort, since we don’t have F-4E’s yet. Can the AI F-4E’s lay a chaff corridor? Probably not. 49th anniversary of Linebacker II.

@stephenfowler4115

2 жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-13579 The SA-2 is easily spoofed with ECM . It's a very big missile called a flying telephone pole. Also not difficult to dodge.

The men crashed their mosquito, climbed out, and started discussing amongst themselves how terrible a mission that was!!

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol

19:02 - They're "jumping for joy" after having survived such a blow... although, I believe it's concussion-related. Hey--how lucid would you be after being slammed-about by three 200-lbs. warheads detonating within "OH-SHIT!!" proximity? [:\

If the target was the bunched up Sam sites would it be a different outcome?

This plays right along the lines of the supposition "What if the Nazis focused on rocket-based weapons development, instead of ambitiously pursuing everything?"

@garethonthetube

2 жыл бұрын

It took decades to develop the electronics.

I dunno, it seems like a lot of these "tests" are grossly overbalanced. Why not try to attack 1 unit of IADS instead of 5, or, attack them from several directions at once; why not try to attack 1/2 a division of B-17's with 2-3 (A-10s) since they can only carry so many missiles/guns >shrug

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

This one seemed so stupid that I figured let's just go nuts?

@APV878

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers yeah, no worries. I'm probably over-thinking / over-analyzing these videos too

@APV878

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Heh.. Instead of Go Big or Go Home it's more like Go Big Boom or Go Home

@kellywalker9268

2 жыл бұрын

If you only only have one it is no longer an "Integrated Air Defense System" it becomes just a long range SAM site.

Could you do a maneuverability comparison of the fox 2 short range missiles like r73 aim9x and r60m

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea, will investigate.

Madness…..

I have a suggestion for you. Between 1940 and 1944 it took the allies 26 raids to sink the turptiz. The successful raid using tallboy bombs. Could a modern airforce complete the mission in just one raid. I would assume that the attacks at sea would be almost certain to succeed. The harbour attacks a bit trickier. Would attacking the turptz in the fjord moaring with the air cover and smoke generators correctly employed stop a raid by a modern airforce? Would the turptz still sink? Could the ship be stopped with a single raid?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

nice

@nigeldepledge3790

2 жыл бұрын

*Tirpitz

@neiljohnson3068

2 жыл бұрын

@@nigeldepledge3790 sorry I can't spell

@nigeldepledge3790

2 жыл бұрын

@@neiljohnson3068 - The problem is not that you didn't know how to spell "Tirpitz". The problem is that you didn't bother to find out.

@neiljohnson3068

2 жыл бұрын

@@nigeldepledge3790 Thank you for pointing out my failure. Along with number blindness I suffer from dyslexia. I rely heavily on spellchecker and word prediction to write anything. Please can you do everyone a favour and especially me, check the figures I put on the comments. I would hate to think I also made the mistake of getting the number of raids wrong or time period.

Can you try this again with a more realistic layered air defence consisting of multiple overlapping range bands? Much more realistic plus the smaller missiles do way less damage to bomber sized targets?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

will redo

Can you test the Allied Attack Defend by German Mantis Anti Air System?

The bombing of Germany (specifically Cologne) had 500+ bombers... So, 64 bombers is way to little... But I do understand u prolly couldn't do that many, due to lag /computing power.

"You know what, the mossies are doing really well"

64 bomber box formation vs modern IADS... gimme one old school Nike Hercules

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

lol yup

In reality, Mosquitos were made of wood, so it would be interesting to see how they would be tracked...

@garethonthetube

2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of metal in the engines, control wires etc.

Cowtowing to the preverts. 🥺

How about Apache helicopters or group of people with manpads?

Please do this bad boys sam against the 20 b2 of USA

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

rgr

you need more than 60 some ww2 missions would have hundreds of bombers, and put the SAMS in the city being bombed

@mill2712

2 жыл бұрын

Can his computer handle that?

@mikesmith-wk7vy

2 жыл бұрын

@@mill2712 good point their servers could when they get them back

Dont know if it'd make much difference but the B17's were too close together.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Probably

how do you link the IADS

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

will do a vid soon

Cap, why don´t you built a decent template of each SAM Site and use it then for videos? Should be easy and doable in the ME, or am I wrong with this?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

will do

14:59 He got a warning?? Does DCS issue its own warning?

'tails are for losers'!!

The Mosquito will beat the S 300 missile system. They flew much lower that 200 feet. Closer to 50ft also they certainly used terrain features to mask where they are.

@MrAlepedroza

2 жыл бұрын

Realistically speaking, I doubt the S300 would be deployed alone. Several, radar guided, Oerlicon anti air 30 mm cannons would be standing nearby, ready to turn any low flying aircraft to shreds.

@dampsok

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't the 300's that took me out in the Massie. It was the short range Sams

How would this even work in reality? Would modern SAMs be able to stop a thousand bomber raid?

@malnutritionboy

2 жыл бұрын

probably not enough missiles

@neyt9699

2 жыл бұрын

thousands - no. No country will have enough missiles to stop everyone. Even jet fighters may not have enough ammunition to stop everyone.

@ivvan497

2 жыл бұрын

@@neyt9699 so thousand bomber raid are still viable strats?

@SonsOfLorgar

2 жыл бұрын

@@ivvan497 not really, because modern air warning systems will detect and ID the raid as soon as it leaves it's own territory, that in turn means that they will be tracked and as soon as the raid target can be calculated from their heading, speed and altitude they will be subject to long range SAM attrition while interceptors scramble. Once interceptors provide a confirmed ID on what type and version of bombers there is in the raid, their operational range will be calculated, all following interceptor sorties will have their loadout optimized accordingly and SAMs as well as gun SPAAG targeting systems will be recalibrated to match. Self propelled or otherwise highly strategically and tactically mobile surface to air assets will also be scrambled, diverted and concentrated along their entire over land flight path from areas that are not suffering from massive imminent air attack. Eg: if the target was in the Ruhr valley modern AA assets from Western Germany, continental parts of Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and Northern France could be redeployed and concentrated along the flight path of not already in range from wherever their formation is deployed at the time the raid is detected over the channel or north sea while forming up.

@ivvan497

2 жыл бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar damn, imagine seeing bombers falling down for hundreds of miles.

60 mozzies would win maybe or a realistic size ww2 bombing raid vs a realistic military defence system would be interesting might be cheaper to swarm with hundreds of prop aircraft than 4 5 Gen 4 Gen 5 planes make new prop aircraft with super cold engines could be very interesting

You should have used B29s.

One sided fight, the B-17s don’t stand a chance. If one makes it through then victory for the B-17.

@trolleriffic

2 жыл бұрын

A single B-17 getting through wouldn't really do much. If it was a raid against a single target like a factory the odds are it wouldn't even get its bombs anywhere near the target.

amrams don't kill B17s, a-ha-ha

Wow…that was weird. You said one of the surviving Mosquito pilots was fully erect. The weird part is you correctly described him….and me. Beautiful boys and all.

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

Have you been drinking again Lohr?

Mating ritual 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hang on, no one ask if kortana single yet?

6:24 wtf

is teh SA-20 a Mod?

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

yes

Only two comments we need more comments

@UnixSysV

2 жыл бұрын

here is a new comment

@grimreapers

2 жыл бұрын

generic comment

Modern Russian bombing sortie vs allied city

Ohh my gosh bro seriously with Mad American Old Bombers B-17 Flying Fortress to straightforward full Attacking S-300 Missile defense mad Soviet Weaponry Radar and they have full technologies Air Defense forces S-300 Long Range combatant Gladiators can take B-2 bomber or B-52 or F-117 nighthawk or F-4 and it really pretty funny to me what you guys it really beautiful S-300 Gladiators vs B-17 Flying Fortress 🏆 Winners 😄 😄😂😂😅📝