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@justlooking3572

3 жыл бұрын

They used to store a TV detector van in Bishop St main sorting office in Coventry that had a multitude of aerials on top of the roof but there was absolutely no equipment in the van at all, a completely empty van.

@horatiohornblower741

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta be in the early 00s

@justlooking3572

3 жыл бұрын

@@horatiohornblower741 yeah would've been before 2005, just before I left.

@madspaniel4271

3 жыл бұрын

@@justlooking3572 I have a much easier time believing in the Tardis than I do a bloody detector van.

@wjf0ne

3 жыл бұрын

ChilliJonCarne I think that anyone who defaults on their TV license should do 20 years hard labor breaking rocks and fed on bread and water. The license fee goes to the BBC and Channel four to provide some of the best television content in the world. I am typing this comment with my nose as my arms are currently strapped into my straitjacket, oh dear now they think that I'm acting like a chicken and are going to inject me, oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

Defund the BBC Get cancelling them direct debits 🔥 ⏰ 🔥

@AICabal

3 жыл бұрын

Ok ben, we know.

@elvishards8161

3 жыл бұрын

@@AICabal yeh but some are too dumb they need constant reminding

@markhorton2920

3 жыл бұрын

In my case (and speaking solely for myself), I view the BBC license fee as a subscription in much the same way as I would for Netflix, Sky or Britbox. I pay for access to entertainment I want to see. Sure there is a lot of dross on the BBC, but the same can be said of other broadcasters and streaming services. As long as they provide programmes I want to watch and I can afford the fees, I will keep subscribing.

@boontime

3 жыл бұрын

@@markhorton2920 Thats fine and why it should become a subscription service. I don't watch ANY BBC productions nor do i listen to the radio, use Iplayer so why should i have to pay for something i never use and don't want. Also, why should the world get a to watch OUR OWN BROADCASTS without paying a penny while we do? Would you be happy paying for a car, but never using it while everybody on your street does for free, all the time demanding you pay for the petrol?

@sebs29

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know what Defund actually means?

So they say you can go to prison for watching a TV with no licence only to watch TV in prison with no TV licence. Welcome to England

@Aeronaut1975

3 жыл бұрын

What about Wales, Scotland and Northen Ireland?

@jenniferbrighty5120

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aeronaut1975 good question. ?????

@srowanmp59

3 жыл бұрын

It’s the same in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland @The Phantom Salad Dodger

@tobytractor711

3 жыл бұрын

But if you smash it to pieces you'll get a new one to keep you quiet.

@davidjoy7654

3 жыл бұрын

There are even more crazy laws today here. But this was just wicked. Pure lies about how they could detect. They even got the wrong bloody house and that poor woman suffered. She should have sued the pants of them.

Years ago I had a TV licencing goon on my doorstep insisting I was watching TV without a licence. I genuinely didn't have a TV but couldn't resist letting him in just to see his frustration at being unable to find anything. It was more entertaining than actually watching TV.

@capebarrengoose7686

Жыл бұрын

You can inspect my property after you have agreed, in writing, to pay me ten pounds for for every minute you are inside my house.

@stephenreeds3632

Жыл бұрын

BBC actually had a film with an "engineer" saying " they're watching Kojak". Complete intimidating rubbish.

@alanbiggs9306

Жыл бұрын

​@Stephen Reeds I think the actual paraphrase was " Its in the front room, and they are watching Columbo!"

As an electronics engineer I used to work for Marconi. We built TV transmitters, video equipment etc so we knew what we were talking about. We sat down and tried to figure out what they were detecting. After many attempts to try to detect anything from a TV we could only pick up the output from the time base oscillator. This generates the signal that controls the scan of the screen. This would only allow someone to know a screen was active but nothing else. The signal is so weak they would have to be very close, possibly just outside the property. If there was technologies that could detect receivers then the world's military would have it not some TV company.

@Choober65

Жыл бұрын

I'm an Electronics Engineer too, and I too have tried to work out what they are "on", that said, I have friends who worked for the intelligence services, I was shown a really cool piece of kit. We sat outside a building, and after a little twiddling we had an image on the screen of what was on one of the computer monitors in the office. We could read everything (this was before the days of EMC paranoia). I was told they use it to strip data from suspected terrorists, or criminals, foreign nationals etc.

@voncheeseburger

10 ай бұрын

Were you testing against a high quality lab kit or a cheap low-end set? I suspect the cheaper stuff would have put more EMC out

@Zodroo_Tint

8 ай бұрын

@@Choober65 Sounds like a lie.

@Zodroo_Tint

8 ай бұрын

@@voncheeseburger High quality lab tv? Bro, get real! There is no such a thing as a lab tv.

@jfbeam

7 ай бұрын

@@Choober65And it was way bigger, and more complex than that bit of aluminium with a beeper tied to it those those two morons were carrying around. (detecting a "CRT" - at all - is definitely possible, but the noise coming off of it is very weak. detecting what's on the screen is way, way harder to do... well beyond the budget of the BBC.)

I'm mixed between how hilarious the whole thing is, and how ashamed of our government I am.

@ric6383

3 жыл бұрын

The biggest threat to your freedom is not some foreign power, climate event or pathogen, it's the sociopaths in government.

@iandaniels8386

3 жыл бұрын

i bet you have more freedoms in china

@ivorwindybottom7364

3 жыл бұрын

@@iandaniels8386 We'll find out soon enough.

@terencejay8845

3 жыл бұрын

In the USA they know no better, but watching TV there ( and I've been many times over the decades ) would drive a UK viewer crazy. It's essentially a constant stream of adverts, chopped up by snippets of a program. I sat through a one-hour top News program and there was not one item of overseas news, and that was at the height of the Bosnian War! When the UK started buying USA TV shows, the advertisers here were delighted because a 30-minute show actually runs for 22 minutes.

@souljastation5463

3 жыл бұрын

The BBC is so reliable, they would never lie to their audience, oh wait, they do and in the most insulting way (they treat British people like they are clueless bumpkins). I really don't get how the BBC got its reliability reputation.

If she could not pay a license how the hell could she pay a fine it put people already in poverty into even more poverty

@mrade5321

3 жыл бұрын

It's the same with everything. If you can't afford it, you will incur charges. It's just a stick for beating the poor with. It's a fucking joke in 2021.

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

These days they'd probably co-ordinate your time in prison with a demand to have a Dept of Work & Pensions interview and then cancel your benefits for not turning up ... !

@-.Whiteness-.Witch-.

3 жыл бұрын

Victorian law demands the poor house for plebs... Onward to our future "Technology ( Victorian law) demands you stay at home in your own poor house" PLEBS!

@smgeraldo

3 жыл бұрын

And who looked after her kids whilst she was in jail? How utterly disgusting!

@BeingJohnMal

3 жыл бұрын

@@smgeraldo Jimmy Savile got to look after all the kids who's parents were put in jail for not being licenced.

I worked in IT for TV licencing enforcement in the late 90s. All the technology they claimed to use was utter rubbish! They had a list of every address in the country and if it didn't have a licence they sent out a letter and you went on a list for a visit. I found the attitude of the people who worked for TV licencing to be just horrific, they were generally nasty and bully's who assumed everyone was on the fiddle! The way the law worked for years was that TV ownership was equated to TV use. This was challenged with the advent of Video cassette recorders and eventually the internet and streaming. Things have changed since then! The commentary is quite right in that you don't get custody for TV licence evasion you get it for persistent refusal to pay a court-ordered fine and compensation. Today the inspectors are trained to do certain things to get the details of anyone who answers the door and even if they don't gain access or see a TV they issue a summons in that person's name and seek a judgement in default if you don't answer it. It is bully tactics! No right of entry, no right to your details and they will lie to you about why they want your name...it is not for the form it is for the summons. They can get a warrant of entry from a Magistrate but that is incredibly rare and typically only if the resident is both a blatant offender and has been aggressive! You should pay the licence fee, but even if you don't do not fall for the tactics used to coerce you and never allow access to your property or give your details to an inspector. If they have a warrant they usually come with the police and it is incredibly rare for that to happen so tell them to leave. If you are worried then buy a licence, they cannot prosecute for the period up to you buying a licence without evidence of usage so give them nothing and tell them that they are trespassing and that if they do not leave you will call the police and say that you find their presence and behaviour threatening and intimidatory (assuming this is true!).

@paulinecabbed1271

Жыл бұрын

That is the reason that they had no transmitter at Bletchley Park

Knock on your jail cell door... “Hello Sir, we’re from TV Licensing and our records show, you don’t have a license for your cell.” 😂

@Scouse_Wayne

2 жыл бұрын

you have to pay 50p a week for the TV in your cell, or £1 a week if you're in a single cell.

@JAY1892

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scouse_Wayne I didn’t know that, thanks for the info. Are you a mighty red or a sad blue nose? 😂

@Scouse_Wayne

2 жыл бұрын

@@JAY1892 Red of course :D Always have been, always will be. I was held by Ian Rush when I was a baby :D he was my dads hero. you might also like to know, if you decide to smash up your TV you might have to pay 100 pounds for a new one, :D unless you can explain it as an accident, yeah Boss, I accidentally launched the TV across the cell when I found out Coronation Street was canceled tonight. I'm not sure if prisons pay for a TV license as such, and if they do is it based on number of cells, or wings, or the whole jail as one, but I am sure that if you have 500 prisoners all paying 50p a week = 250 pounds a week, 13000 a year, do you think all of that is going to the BBC, or towards the Staff Christmas Party.

@JAY1892

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scouse_Wayne Same here bud, that’s why I’ve got the 1892 after my name. 46 years and counting. It’s sucks not to have our Brazilian lads for the Leeds match…😬 I stopped watching TV about 5 years ago and don’t miss it one bit, as it’s all too depressing. Appreciate the info though, you learn something new everyday. I’ll have a pint in the Arkles for you next time I’m at a game. 9YNWA7

I can't believe that we fell for the scam licence for so long. It's disgusting.

@thebritishindian1

3 жыл бұрын

So true. When you look back, everyone was so dumb if you think about it. But that’s the problem with 1-way media. It’s so much better now with all the tools we have at our disposal to share information.

@Buster_Piles

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebritishindian1 🎯👍

@sprocket-YT

3 жыл бұрын

Then years later these same people voted for Brexit 🤦‍♂️🤣

@lordmfitzgerald3rd754

3 жыл бұрын

Their letters do make good pooper scoopers!!!! Lol

@Buster_Piles

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordmfitzgerald3rd754 I got one this morning. I don't even open them anymore.

If the BBC screened comedy like this, not so many people would cancel their licence😂

@markarmour1898

3 жыл бұрын

The only similarity I can think of which is just as funny is The Two Ronnie's when they did The Worm That Turned?

@AndysShed

3 жыл бұрын

They did show comedy like this. The show is actauuly a British show called Michael Moor's TV Nation and went out on BBC2

Growing up we were known as latch key kids and curtain twitchers. We always peeped through the curtains to check before answering the door. We NEVER had a tv license and we never opened the door to the goons and best of all we were never caught.

This is true. I remember the TV licensing authority claiming they could detect a signal when a TV is switched on - from outside your house! They must have had detectors everywhere - there were a lot of houses and a lot of TVs. I knew for decades that analogue TVs don't transmit a signal, they just receive one, but not everyone did. While I was a away from my student home in the mid 90s, my housemates got busted by letting a TV inspector in, who saw the rented TV and video recorder we had. Divs!

I am peeing myself laughing at these absolute goons, we are a laughing stock.

@davidsworld5837

3 жыл бұрын

they were only going to the houses on there list nothing else. picking on single women two threatening men with bad hair styles.

@annedowning3821

3 жыл бұрын

This bloody government is a laughing stock,

They don't call it rip off Britain for nothing.. Cancelled mine months ago and i got many others to do the same.. ;) Keep up the good work.

@leeenglandland2978

3 жыл бұрын

Cancelled mine over ten years ago !

@johnthomas9992

3 жыл бұрын

Stopped paying this tax 20 years ago

@annedowning3821

3 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍

@PORRRIDGE_GUN

3 жыл бұрын

Cancelled mine 15 years ago, and don't watch any terrestrial broadcasts or BBC iplayer, Ch4, ITV etc;

@sbomorse

3 жыл бұрын

Once I got chromecast I got rid of my TV licence and never watched terrestrial TV again. Now I just stream everything from my phone to the TV.

I'm 59 and have never had a TV licence, i've had thousands of letters over the years, and hundreds of visits, but they still haven't any evidence to prove I've been breaking the law and they have never been able to get a warrant either, I just love winding them up

I plug my computer into my 42" TV via the HDMI socket as well as gaming consoles and I use the TV as my computer monitor. I game on the TV, watch KZread videos, watch the streaming services I pay for. The TV license is the most draconian thing I've ever heard of.

That was fun, Jon. Hey, I bet Andy and Ivan are 75 now and pissed that the free license is gone lol!

@ChilliJonCarne

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I hope so

@grahvis

3 жыл бұрын

I qualify for a free licence, got one last year, never 'used' it since I don't own a television and haven't bothered to renew it just to wind them up.

@markhorton2920

3 жыл бұрын

Not wishing to be nasty, but I have flushed better than Andy and Ivan down the pan each morning.

@MrJC1

3 жыл бұрын

@@grahvis i have never had a tv license. Hahaha. Dont watch tv. Not interested in the bbcs drivel.

@carolevans5285

3 жыл бұрын

This a wicked comment. 😂🤣😂🤣💯💯💯

Ha ha, “we’ve got a pretty strong signal there” pointing to a whole block of flats 🤣

@janetwestwood9194

3 жыл бұрын

🤔🤣👍🇬🇧

@paul-c7541

2 жыл бұрын

See the Goons were even brainless back then.

I remember seeing those threatening ads from the late 60s. The best description of TV detector vehicles at that time was: "two men in an empty van, with a coathanger on the roof." Just like Ivan and his minion...

Back in 1988 my wife and I got rid of our TV so our child would spend more time on her homework, instead we visited the library once a week and read books for entertainment. A TV licence guy came around and asked why we did not have a licence and I told him we got rid of the TV some years earlier and he just went away and never came back. Those were the days.

@ianjacka469

2 жыл бұрын

My Mum got post-natal depression and missed one payment and got fined 2 grand in the 80s as a single Mum.

@stinameaner

5 ай бұрын

That's horrible ​@@ianjacka469

The entire concept of a TV licence is absolutely insane.

@MauriatOttolink

3 жыл бұрын

Vinny Ganzano When introduced, the concept was perfectly valid.

@vinnyganzano1930

3 жыл бұрын

Gambit771, MauriatOttolink : Granted when it was first introduced it may have had some validity however in all honesty, the idea should have been retired by the 1970s or 80s.

@MauriatOttolink

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinnyganzano1930 Couldn't agree more but these things are given low priority OR clung onto when they realise that they're on to a good thing. Income tax and the not SO long defunct Dog Licences were both introduced as TEMP. measures to finance the Napoleonic Wars. Ho Ho! Remember that the C in BBC was originally Company and had to survive as a viable business, paying royalties and patent fees to the owner of these rights for new inventions. Should have been publicly funded when it became a corporation but............. I was correct with what the detector vans had available to be detected but there really were some phoney ones as well.

@arnasstragys6222

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinnyganzano1930 da actually get any 8ugiyuz

@jenlfpotter3870

5 ай бұрын

⁠That's what you think. The total Charlies which are past, present and probably sadly, future at number 10, its just a brilliant excuse to squeeze a great chunk more pennies out of the poor. It wouldn't touch the stinking rich now would it?

My Dad was in the Royal Signals from 1954 to 1976. He always laughed at the TV Detector Vans. I remember him saying that if the BBC had that kind of technology, the Military would have confiscated it.

@PT-ij9hc

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yea? Try looking up 'Tempest' (codename) I worked on this project in the 1980's.

@salerio61

3 жыл бұрын

If he were REALLY in the Royal Signals he would know that the military spend a bloody fortune on shielding and protecting equipment from exactly this kind of equipment (well in those days anyway, even the military have tended to move away from CRTs these days)

@thefurrybastard1964

3 жыл бұрын

@@salerio61 I recently looked into that. You're talking about something that was classified until relatively recently. My Dad left the Army in 1976.

@MauriatOttolink

3 жыл бұрын

The Batman What a load of bollocks! The vans were not owned, nor operated by the BBC. They were apparatus used by the GPO, a Crown Dept. The Military would have no such authority and even less interest. Sheesh, there is some real crap on here!

@GromDarkwater

2 жыл бұрын

@@MauriatOttolink you do realise that the MoD can and does confiscate technology from private businesses if it's a matter of national security. It can be done either with a compulsory purchase or just a straight up confiscation.

I love the Knight Rider style DETECTING MODE inside the van. Then it shows the signal. Haven't they basically just got.... a TV?

@garethturvey5368

2 жыл бұрын

they better have a licence for it :)

Jon I am glad that you have been instrumental in increasing awareness of licencing issues. Yes brilliant!

When I used to work for the Post office in the 1990s occasionally we would get the TV licence vans to park in the PO car park, One day they left the doors of their vans open and I had a peek inside, The cabinets which suppose to house all the electronics for catching the public were open, Guess what these things were empty, Nothing inside them!!!!!

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

The cupboards were for sandwiches and thermos flasks, plus envelopes & standard letters no doubt ...

@rosieHolliday5887

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I read these comments. I was just about to ask if these detector vans actually existed? I do remember as a child my parents & grandparents talking about not being able to watch tv without a license otherwise the vans would turn up & you'd get caught

@danmarkham2929

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobinPhillips1957 And I bet the power output of the TV transmitter would have swamped the tiny output of a valve TV.

@glengraham7080

3 жыл бұрын

I know someone who got a job on the vans when he retired. He told me the van was empty. The idea was just to let it be seen to scare folk into buying a license.

@heron6462

3 жыл бұрын

There was a couch, though, often with an official asleep on it as the van crept around the neighbourhood with its fake antennas rotating

Detector equipment sort of negates the need to "come inside and check" doesn't it.

@forevercomputing

2 жыл бұрын

They just visit addresses that don't have a licence. Not forgetting that it's the house that is licenced and not you. Why change address when you move? Probably to fuel their "We can detect if you have a TV or not" by visiting addresses (not people) that don't have one. Visit a few and you'll get someone.

Sending people to prison for failing to pay the fine for watching a TV with no licence is the strongest argument for abolishing the TV licence

"As a nation we should be ashamed"... but the BBC has no shame!

@Garviel-Loken

2 жыл бұрын

Due to the unique way the BBC is funded, they can't afford shame.

This is something you would expect from Soviet Russia. The British government should be dam right ashamed that it is still illegal.

@winstonsmith7095

3 жыл бұрын

Soviet Russia wasn't nearly as bad as that!

@phillipsmiley5930

3 жыл бұрын

@@albalkun In the soviet union the Gov pretended to pay you, and the workers pretended to work

@tankie9997

3 жыл бұрын

The State propaganda part maybe, but the USSR was anti-capitalist. The BBC supports the monarchy and aristocracy not the people

@sandymackay6815

3 жыл бұрын

Ken Odlum. The british government do not understand, or could spell shame.

@Zodroo_Tint

2 жыл бұрын

@@albalkun Of course there were taxes. I was born in communism and I can tell you most of the country's production goes to export and the wage is very low. This would be equivalent of taxation if there would be no taxes but there is. Communist system is just like capitalist system the difference is communism is like one big company where you have no chance to change company so you basically working for nothing.

Totally agree, I’m Australian and lived in London for a couple of years in the early ‘90s. The tv licence thing always blew me away, we used to just hide from them and not answer the door!!

@salerio61

3 жыл бұрын

It was only abolished in Oz in 74 and the funding covered by the government, so no different really, you still pay for it in your taxes whether or not you watch telly

@bazglsgw1208

2 жыл бұрын

Blare music open the door n say im a music man myself bye.

@sallygardiner7150

2 жыл бұрын

I live part time in France. It is compulsory to pay a tax if you even own a TV! Needless to say, I didn't have one!

@BedsitBob

2 жыл бұрын

@@salerio61 "so no different really, you still pay for it in your taxes whether or not you watch telly" Yes different, in that I don't pay for it.

@salerio61

2 жыл бұрын

@@BedsitBob oh dear god. Are you in Australia? If you're not the comment doesn't apply to you does it. Yeah gods, learn to fucking read man!

I don't know what Ivan and Andy are doing now, but I hope they're helping to prop up a motorway flyover. Being given prison time for defaulting on a debt is Victorian. People in such a state of poverty that they cannot pay their debts should not be treated as criminals as a matter of course.

"Hello Madam, are you watching live TV" - "No, I'm stood at the door talking to you - I haven't got eyes in the back of my head !" That Mother should have blamed her kids for turning the TV on without her knowledge, seeing as they were all under the age of criminal responsibility.

The best Vids for TV Licence cancelling. Cancelled mine after watching Chillijon

@FerDeLance06

3 жыл бұрын

Cancelled mine ten years ago ... never looked back.

Those adverts used to frighten me to death. It wasn't just the fine you would get, it was the shame and the neighbours might find out. 😩. The BBC were despicable then and still are today. Those poor women given a criminal record and put in prison with god knows who just because they were unable to pay. Its like Dickensian times when they had the debtors prisons.

@nicolagiles9498

3 жыл бұрын

I agree it's terrible the fact they had no money and then were fine and then when they defaulted were sent to prison the hole system should be held responsible for the waste of time, money and the respectability of these mainly poor women

I know a woman who went to prison. While in there she studied for a degree in criminal psychology. She still doesn't pay her fines, but now she knows why.

My wife is Brazilian and still after 5 years of being here in England cannot get her head around this issue! We have now stopped paying after watching your guudance, THANK YOU Mr CHILLI!

Remember when they tried to tell everyone they had a Radar van that could track what you're watching.

@halley4032

3 жыл бұрын

I seem to recall that the detector system was looking for radiation of the Local Oscillator. This LO frequency is mixed with the incoming carrier frequency, and after filtering, would produce a difference 'Intermediate frequency'. The Yagi aerial that he's carrying about wouldn't be able to locate the direction of the TV local oscillator though. I'm sure as TVs became more solid state, and did away with valves etc, that detection wouldn't have worked anyway, and was just used later as bluff ?

@northstar6920

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobinPhillips1957 internet in a nutshell

@halley4032

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobinPhillips1957 The principle is superheterodyning, quite old radio tech now. Basically mixing frequencies, and filtering, to produce another frequency. In HF radiocomms, for instance, the 1st local oscillator frequency may run at a few 100Khz, above, or below the incoming carrier frequency. After mixing, the output frequency, the IF, is then amplified and detected etc i.e. extract the information on the carrier a voice signal, a morse signal, whatever. This is how it was done decades ago. The local oscillator isn't the IF, as I say, IF is the resultant of mixing an incoming frequency with the local oscillator freq. Nothing sinister or spooky about this stuff, my background was Merchant Navy / Civilian radiocomms., Anyway, going back to TV, it's the local oscillator radiation that the vans used to pick up, back in the day of valves. Shielding the local oscillator board with aluminium could prevent external radiation, I think (it's been decades since I worked on this stuff). As I say, solid state boards, with low output and leakage etc etc meant detection wasn't possibly (unless they paid a shedload for super hi tech, not worth it)

@halley4032

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobinPhillips1957 I remember now, the 1st IF is high, for Image rejection and 2nd IF was low for adjacent ch interference rejection ? Haven't done that stuff since the 90s, went into IT after that !

@karlhrdylicka

3 жыл бұрын

@@halley4032 Basically it's picking up the line time base signal from the early valve sets .

It was interesting to see how Americans reacted to us requiring TV 📺 licensing. Funny 😂 indeed but I’m ashamed of seeing people go to prison for failure to pay the fine. That is utterly ridiculous

@yorkshirepud6676

3 жыл бұрын

The shootings by the public would be massive in USA if they went around for a licence for BBC America TV

@gegwen7440

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but they had to watch American TV and that was like a prison sentence had they have known. They would though have paid to watch the stuff the BBC were producing as we had to, but!, as we all now know those in charge at the BBC just used it to feather their own nests and push their Marxists agenda.

@Trojianmaru

2 жыл бұрын

@@yorkshirepud6676 always enjoy telling American friends about the backwards bs we have to deal with. They always think I'm winding them up. Till I show them a picture of the letters they keep sending, trying to intimidate us with the threat of investigating us

@louisewilcockson9223

Жыл бұрын

@@gegwen7440 of

it is obvious that you are so angry and saddened at watching those people who got put in prison , you are so passionate about this cause and at times it looks as though you are close to tears , thank you for giving up your time to support us , take care and stay safe my friend

" If you can't pay the fine you'll end up watching TV in jail" The irony

I cancelled my shotgun license, no f*cks given. I cancelled my tv license, you can guess the rest. 😂

@markarmour1898

3 жыл бұрын

Kept my gun licence as I'm on a farm. TV? Never paid, never used tv. Fuvk 'em.

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

Did it prove useful having an unlicensed firearm and where did you Bury the bodies of the Licence Inspectors ... ??? 😂

@markarmour1898

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jester-RiddleNo one said unlicensed. I live in a flat in a coastal town, but my family have a large farm inland. The guns are locked up in a security cabinet there. The licence inspectors are put through the wood chipper and fed to the pigs. Old school East Anglia style. The guns are polished and pristine.

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

@@markarmour1898 At least the Licence Inspectors achieved something constructive through their death then ... ! 😂

@phillipsmiley5930

3 жыл бұрын

@@markarmour1898 Folkestone style is feed the bodies to the lobsters, no one fishes around the lobster pots

I remember the TV Licensing Detector Van being contemptuously referred to in comedy as 'a Bedford van with a spinning roof rack' ... 🤣

Always brilliant posts Chillijon.

I vaguely remember watching this show, TV Nation. It ran from 1994 to 95. Now I feel old.

I’m so glad we have channels like yours, Jon, to set the record straight. We’re wise to capita’s BS now.

3:25 - make sure i've got sufficient pens.......oh God.....my bladder is gonna explode any minute now!

@jamesbillington3501

3 жыл бұрын

Got to drink the coffee

They did give a signal out, I think it was from the time base. This is what made the beam scan from side to side on the 405 and 625 line TVs

I bought an apartment off plan years ago, the footings weren’t even finished and didn’t even have a door number, only a plot number. I started receiving loads of threatening letters from tv licensing at my home address regarding the not yet built property so I called them and led them on a bit and was told if I did not get a license, I would be getting a visit at my door from them. I asked them to let me know what colour the door was as I didn’t even fucking know yet!!! When I explained the total mess up to him he apologised and was extremely embarrassed. What a joke!

It's when you really think about it, a TV licence is a really strange thing to have.

@Dedubya-

3 жыл бұрын

in this day and age, yes.... a TV subscription is accepted and optional.... the licence is a real archaic form of taxation

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dedubya- It's regressive taxation, just as with motorists being effectively being charged more for having an older car because they can't, for example, afford an Electric Vehicle. It's ridiculous and so unfair ...

If I remember right the shop used to fill in a form when you bought a TV and you had to give your name and address, when I used to live in barracks I had to hide the TV during inspections.

@Mushroom67

3 жыл бұрын

This was true, for a while. When I bought mine, I gave my mates address and name ( with his consent) as he had a license.

@petermcnulty8647

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mushroom67 I used my in-laws address because they had a licence when I was young. Now I just tell them to piss off

@CaptainScarlet1961

3 жыл бұрын

They tried that bollocks with me too, I just said I'll take my money elsewhere then & walked out...simple!

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

I remember that it used to be an advantage to buy a second-hand TV because if you bought a new one then they took your name & address ... clever, as you needed it for the warranty to be valid ....

@ric6383

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. happened to me about 10 years ago, when I was doing what I thought was the decent thing. To my shame I advised the sister-in-law to get one also, despite her struggling to get by. Now, license cancelled and the vile politicians who allowed this gangsterism to occur are even further in the cesspit of humanity.

The American show is TV Nation. The segment shown was from the September 8, 1995 episode. I remember watching it and thinking how crazy it was that you have to have a license to watch TV in the UK!

I would have known knew you had to have a license to watch TV if I hadn't stumbled across one of your videos. I had to google it to see what the hell is going on. Completely Mad! Not wishing anyone harm, but I smile thinking about the reaction they would receive in rural AZ where open carry is the norm and someone demands to come into their house.

25+ Years ago I was sent by a employment agency to drive one of those vans for 6 weeks. The only thing the equipment could do was pick up tv broadcast signals and could not detect if you had a tv. My briefing was to drive to a certain area and drive around and if there was a row of shops i was to park up for a while. It was all about the fear factor.

@janetwestwood9194

3 жыл бұрын

🤔🤣👍🇬🇧

The TV licence clip that makes me laugh is the one featuring the little jobs worth that looks like Captain Manwaring and he states that Columbo is being watched on a TV they’ve detected.

That's made my day Boss! Hooting with laughter!

In the 1960s I worked as a TV engineer in Liverpool working for a large rental company. One day while I was repairing a rental TV in a house when there was a knock at the door yes it was a the TV licence mafia using the old trick "You have a Television aerial on the roof," quick as a flash the house holder said "It has OXO on the sides of buses but they don't sell it" conversation stooped and door closed.

Never had a license, and finally chucked out the toxic telly screen ages ago the best thing I ever did, I’ve been self liberated 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍🏻

@hopefletcher7420

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, now you spend that quality time on KZread. Not sure it's less toxic.

@myview5840

3 жыл бұрын

@@hopefletcher7420 at least you can choose what you want to watch. Its easy to avoid toxic people.

@noelwallace5257

3 жыл бұрын

@@hopefletcher7420 You maybe right, however at least I’m free from MSM propaganda on here😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍🏻

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

I broke my ankle badly and was stuck for a long time convalescing ... in front of a TV. When I could walk again I realised how much mindless cr*p I had been watching and wasting my life with, so off went the TV . Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how I look at it, many decades later I discovered being able to selectively watch films and videos that I wanted to watch on the Internet ... I am still keeping a wary eye on whether the 'one-eyed God' is taking up too much of my valuable time. TV really is 'opium for the masses'. It depresses intelligence, interferes with proper learning & communication and is generally bad for your health. We should receive payment if we watch BBC propaganda !!!

@noelwallace5257

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jester-Riddle In a word..... Agreed!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍🏻

I am surprised these TV guys are not attacked these days.

@darkknight1340

3 жыл бұрын

They almost were when they came to our door.

I remember my mum being worried she couldn't afford the license so she stored our TV at a neighbours house whilst she saved up. Within a week the TV licence goons turned up n insisted not only were we watching TV, but we were watching vhs videos on it too 😳 They were jokers then n only worse today

ChilliJonCarne. Your the dogs bollocks on this licence fee, and the increase in fuel bills, food, car fuel. Its going to be the on my list not to pay. Keep it up loads of info for people too follow. Top Man

There has got to be a series idea there. I would almost be tempted to buy a TV and licence.. just to watch" Ivan and Andy- crime busters" in a very 70's style lol

@ric6383

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, love the idea, like The Office, would be hilarious. Let's get the BBC to fund a genuine British comedy mini-series on the total nonsense of a TV licence....

I would have thought the van had an old sofa and a flask of tea in the back.

@Dedubya-

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's almost certainly what was in it.

@LuciferStarr

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, but this is the "Publicity Van" with whizz-bang flashy lights and screens and gadgets to bullshit baffles brains the media, so they can then feed that same bullshit out to their audience. And it worked on a lot of people.

Update & Plot Twist: Ivan was fined for not paying his TV licence. Andy became Mandy.

@DerekDogsforSentience

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

I love that guy's documentaries!

""It isn't easy catching people watching TV without a licence" sounds like the TV cop characters from Hitch Hikers Guide To the Galaxy.

I loved the dramatic music played when Ivan & Andy appeared going to someone’s house. The equipment they had reminded me of early Dr Who episodes

@BeingJohnMal

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah 😂

Quite a few of the older CRT TVs used a system where the signal was processed using an internally generated signal known as the Intermediate Frequency or IF..using a variation of a Heterodyne system. To separate the Audio and Video signals..... As all Radio Hams know, TVs are built to a price, not to a specification ... They are filthy, horrible contraptions, with virtually no RF shielding..... It was the IF that was detected by the TV chappies. That's why the detected signal looks so terrible on the scope. TVs are known to receive everything, including Ham transmissions, taxis, ambulances etc, which they were never designed to do.. And as anyone with any sensitive equipment will attest, they used to transmit all kinds of rubbish and spurious emmissions (Sproggies) ... This problem has been greatly assuaged by the introduction of Digital systems.. Peace, Keith (G4TDA)

@kadargo9575

2 жыл бұрын

Also the Tempest attack used something like this

@tmanimal

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.... All electronic devices transmit electrical interference, and if it's not screened, it can be detected....

Loved it

Loo... Back in the mid 1980's in my late teens I was receiving lots of threatening letters from TV licensing, one evening two guys with the van turned up on the doorstep and gave it the usual routine, you are watching TV. Oh! OK I said come in and check. In they came and much to their discomfort found themselves in a living room with 10 or 12 large gentlemen wearing leather motorcycle jackets with denim cut offs, who were having a few drinks and enjoying a movie and a little bit irritated as having their evening disrupted. Told one of the inspectors to check the Ariel connection from the wall and tell me what he saw. "The Ariel connection goes into the back of the radio receiver on the stereo" he replied. Ok I said, see that TV, its a playback monitor, that video recorder its a playback recorder, neither of them are capable of receiving TV signals! I pointed out that I managed video rental shops and that I had written to them multiple times informing them that I did not require a television license and yet they persisted in sending me threatening letters and unannounced visits with cards dropped through the door and was unhappy with their behaviour implying I was breaking the law, after all when you have a captive audience its seems like an excellent opportunity to make your point. End result they left and I never heard from them again....

@pamelamaher5780

Жыл бұрын

My defence mechanism. First, have a split level house with balcony over front door. Second, have white hair AND my trump card, be very deaf (true) and do a lot of fiddling with the remote for my aid. Thirdly , quaver that my family have told me NEVER to buy from cold callers...and close door. The tv can't be seen and furthermore is "built in" in cupboard. Actually, it's a long time sone I bothered to watch..poor sound/lighting make it difficult and content is rubbish. Am i sufficiently fortified ???

@fuzielectron5172

Жыл бұрын

@@pamelamaher5780 a Yorkshire Terrier probably wouldn't hurt......

So while the single mother was in prison for not paying £86.50, how much was the government paying to care for her 4 kids?

@josephberrie9550

3 жыл бұрын

thousands and also thousands for the court and prison time thats the law for you..I am only surprised they didnt put her on a moored hulk on the Thames and then shipped her to the colonies

@raypitts4880

3 жыл бұрын

also was any one paying for a license for the cop shop.

Years ago I was sent to carry out a survey on government premises in Yeading, West London. In one of the many buildings on this site was a huge Workshop containing a large amount of ‘TV detector vans’ being prepared and painted to go out patrolling the roads. The interiors were empty and the ‘aerial’ on the roof was a large shaped block of plastic, looking like two cones, back to back. . There may well have been a few genuine vans in service throughout the country but the large majority were bogus vans sent out to roam the streets and scare people into buying a license if they didn’t have one.

I'm pretty sure there was a time when a license was required just to own any device that recieved radio or TV signals, this changed to TV recievers only in 1971. I know that retailers once reported sales of televisions to TV licensing. The license fee was £86.50 in 1995.

1995 the license was £86.50 I was always brainwashed into buying a license until I went to live in Malta where the license had been abolished, probably because they realised what an antiquated system (left over from British rule) it was.. Since returning to the UK I have been watching your videos and now refuse to buy a license, you have saved me a fortune :-)

OH DEAR GOD! - imagine someone looking like that turning up at your door carrying a cheap portable TV ariel??????????......s'cuse me sir, my moustache would like a word with you.

@jenniferbrighty5120

3 жыл бұрын

Hope this doesn't give these "gurus" any ideas. We need to DEFUND THE BBC COLLECTIVELY. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET RID IF THE "OUTRAGEOUS, OBNOXIOUS " TV LICENCE

@Jester-Riddle

3 жыл бұрын

If they turned up with that aerial, I would be forced to ask if there TV had run away whilst they were taking it for a walk ...

@jenniferbrighty5120

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jester-Riddle yeah .😆 🤣

@davidjoy7654

3 жыл бұрын

That Ariel was an ITV Ariel that picked up signals from the station when positioned on a roof of a home. They were fooling big time it would have registered nothing.

@madspaniel4271

3 жыл бұрын

"make sure i've got sufficient pens" - i'm not gonna get that out of my head for a long time!!! Thanks ChiliJon!! :)

This one is brilliant

Excellent article

i remember back in the 80's and 90's, someone in your street would say "the tv detector vans are ub the area, antone without a licence would not watch telly for a week, lol

@danwoodward23

3 жыл бұрын

On the estate I grew up on youd be considered posh if you had a license!

@eyesopen6797

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I remember that! They basically had a van with a coat hanger stuck on top. We had one of those Tv's with a colour slider on. My Dad would always buy a B&W licence and if anyone did ever knock on the door he'd turn the colour down 🤣

OMG this was hilarious! I cancelled my licence because i genuinely never watch the tv.. don't even know where the remote is. The last time i turned on the TV i had to use the power button as can't find the remote, so that my Grandson could watch a DVD. TV Licencing have written to me several times, all of which I have ignored and have threatened to 'Send a man'... omg could i be lucky enough to get these two goons? *note to self... bake a cake just in case*

Remember my dad telling me a story about a bloke who only paid for the black and white TV licence, when they came round he grabbed the colour tv from downstairs took it upstairs and brought down the black and white set . One day whilst doing it he ended up dropping the colour tv down the stairs, this was the days when you were lucky just to have a tv , needless to say he was stuck with the black and white set for a while 🤣🤣

The only thing missing from Ivan n Andy is a cape with the TV licence logo on it, lol.🤣

I could just imagine if Hale & Pace in the 90’s did a sketch on that video lol!

I was under the impression that a tv is a receiver, not a transmitter. These things from the 80s are funny as freak.

I'm not worried. They've sent another letter saying "We are escalating to the FINAL stage of our investigation!!" I'm like "Ok, this is the fourth time you've gone to the final stage, so go ahead."

Tube tv receivers use Local Oscillators to re-insert the signal (vestigial side and) some of which is transmitted. I learned this in 1980 studying high power radio transmitters and Radar technology and the design of the electronics.

That was hilarious, Jon. Hopefully everyone knows the 'Detector' vans are a load of guff.

@leeenglandland2978

3 жыл бұрын

@David Wanklyn I wonder what your real name is.

@budgietrousers8275

3 жыл бұрын

@David Wanklyn Yeah, maybe, but still a load of codswallop 😆

@MrJC1

3 жыл бұрын

@David Wanklyn but tvs dont broadcast? Hahaha. They were just watching tv in the van on the go. Did that van have a tv license associated with it? 🤣🤣🤣

I am 84 and I don't have time to watch the TVs through the day. Gardening is for me and growing things

@colinelliott5629

3 жыл бұрын

But you have time to watch KZread!

@tiegan7333

2 жыл бұрын

Love this - Live ur best life Margaret - I’m 20 and I also love gardening

@amh9494

2 жыл бұрын

Growing da herb? Ah!? To jail with ya!

Excellent. So funny. My wife was worried about me laughing so much.

I should imagine that Ivan and Andy are either money lenders or debt collectors of the worst kind or perhaps both.

Quite correct, the old CRT set could be detected. How ever, the new LCD set are undetectable, pre the latest GDPR regulations a retailer had to give your details to TVL

@georgeyreynolds

3 жыл бұрын

You didn't have to give your real address though or give proof?

@dcarbs2979

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgeyreynolds I sold TVs in Dixons in 1999. We asked for the address, but not for proof!

@thepatrioticaudiophile

3 жыл бұрын

The Horizontal and vertical scanning coils in the old CRTs do give off there own frequency’s. Through VAN ECK PHREAKING it is possible for a specially designed RF receivers to pick up those signals and reproduce them. But what they were picking up could have been any RF frequency. Scaremongering that all it was. A load of bollocks.

@nickypiccallo

Жыл бұрын

Pay in cash for your t.v IF you want one.(cash is untraceable hence why the ‘system’ is so keen to erase this freedom) Personally I read 📚 and listen to music 🎶 🎧 🔊. The bbc is government run for propaganda purposes.

The music when the licence inspectors appear is like something out of the Empire Strikes back. Hilarious

This is gold

Loved this haha

Definitely old because Michael Moore doesn't look like he has eaten all the animals on Noah's Ark yet!

@grahvis

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't mention all the advertising you are bludgeoned with on US, TV that pays for it.

@cashkitty3472

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@oysterman250

3 жыл бұрын

He’s definitely already had the appetizer, though.

The whole thing is just so absurd and back then the BBC just got away with it.

The threats are beyond draconian its the best comedy skit they've managed to produce in decades . Go Ivan The Aerial and Andy no clue how I got ropped into this .

Ivan and Andy's magic wand was the most fearful thing to be pointed at you back in the day 😱 🤣

"You could end up watching TV in jail!". Well, at least it'll be free.

Ahh, the Boob-mobile, can remember seeing one of those bad boys drive slowly down my road when I was a whippersnapper. The only van I feared though, was Busby (BT), catching me on my old AM CB radio lol, of course, he did catch me, but luckily only gave me a warning, as I was interfering with the next door neighbours BBC watching at the time.

@yorkshirepud6676

3 жыл бұрын

You reminded me of a story going back to the AM CB day`s next door were forever knocking on saying we were interfering with there tv as he made more contact he took me in his front room showing he had set up an wire and was listening in to us, things went from bad to worse, he loved to bash on the door an shout and rant till FM came legal, I bought a CB FM licence the very next time he came banging I shoved the licence in his face shouting LEGAL ........LICENCED !!! LEGAL LICENCED !!! felt sooo good to shut him up....... was a good day after all the shit we took.

@UK_Cobra

3 жыл бұрын

@@yorkshirepud6676 I went one better, got my Class B, then Class A ham license lol, went from about 4-10 watts, to 100 watts on 28Mhz, that of course blew the neighbours TV away, especially when proved it was their tv at fault. I did try to offer help though, suggesting filters, am not a vindictive person, but he refused, had 1 or 2 visits from Busby, but ultimately he failed. He often complained though, when I was not using the radio, so probably some other CB'er causing the problems.

Ivan and Andy, what a pair of absolute geezers.