Just because they offer you a deal doesn't mean it's a good deal

@markcatcash4688

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@AndyFromBeaverton

Жыл бұрын

I don't trust anything that comes from the mouths of JGR.

@jakec6499

Жыл бұрын

KBM employees gotta be a paid somehow as well

@jabber1990

Жыл бұрын

do you honestly believe Childress is paying him what Gibbs was offering to pay him?

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

@@jabber1990 Richard childress probably was willing to pay him what he gets paid now

"Joe Gibbs put an eight figure deal in front of Kyle Busch, and he turned it down" Source: "trust me bro" I don't doubt that Joe Gibbs tried, I just think that this reveals how poorly managed JGR is. To have a year's notice that the 18 needs sponsorship and still be fumbling around come September is nuts. Allowing a two time cup champion still capable of winning championships walk out the door is insane. Don't buy for a second that they couldn't find sponsorship.

@markcatcash4688

Жыл бұрын

Watch the Video With Eric Jones and how they just dumped him late in the year..

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

Joe Gibbs runs everything like a football team

@jsavil02

Жыл бұрын

It’s probably more that they have Monster Energy ready to bankroll Ty now that Kurt is not full time anymore. They won’t go to Kyle bc he created a rival product. I imagine if he didn’t then Monster would be sponsoring Kyle next season.

@zt5547

Жыл бұрын

Kyle is still capable of winning championships? Are you kidding me? He won 4 races in the last 3 years. His only win this season came after Briscoe and Reddick wrecked at the finish line. Kyle is washed up & done.

@AgtWashingtub

Жыл бұрын

@@zt5547 Here, I disagree with you and why. He and Adam had a couple down years, as most teams will have, and they moved Stevens to the 20 and put in a guy I have never heard of before. No surprise here that he only won that one race because Reddick got Briscoe'd. Also the pandemic hurt Kyle more than most drivers, as he clearly needs that practice time to see what his car has and what it needs to be better.

The guys on this podcast try to see who can have the worst take and then try to top that, like old woman in a retirement community.

@aems24

Жыл бұрын

Right lmao

@AgtWashingtub

Жыл бұрын

I jus ttune in to find out how they tie this weeks topic to being Ross Chastain's fault

@TC-dw6wg

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

@user-sb4jp4qs1k

Жыл бұрын

And to tell everyone how bad Chase Elliot is!

@mikecallan8346

Жыл бұрын

Makes me laugh that these guys think their important!

There are *three* sides to every story: What Joe said, what Kyle said and what *really* happened!

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

And what really happened is some worse in the middle of what both sides said

@tidelovinyankee1368

Жыл бұрын

You nailed it.

@jersey2983

Жыл бұрын

I trust Joe Gibbs before I trust what Kyle said

@zerodos_02

Жыл бұрын

@anthony donohue I used to feel the same way, but they've fallen victim of their own success and they became The Empire. How the Logano's, Kenseth's, Jones' and even to a degree going back to how Bobby Labonte, Leffler and Yeley all left, it reminds you that it's still a business at the end of the road and someone is only as valuable as the sponsor check attached.

@tamaramaule6928

Жыл бұрын

@@jersey2983 Eric Jones didnt..so i dont

The deal was never about money, Kyle himself said multiple times he was willing to take a paycut to stay with Jgr. Length was the issue kyle wanted a 5+ yr deal and JGR didn’t offer that. RCR offered a multi year deal.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but after months watching this play out, it appears that JGR really didn't fight to keep Kyle. Probably because Joe wanted to put his grandson into one of his cars. This is probably why Truex wrapped up his contract so quickly. Dropping Kyle, might not be the smartest business move, but it was Joe's call. Also JGR has a history of doing this kind of thing (dropping good talent for rookies).

@humbirdguitar

Жыл бұрын

Matt That still breaks my heart he was my racer

@darthhull85

Жыл бұрын

They don’t have a history of dropping a 15 year driver that brought the most success.

@zachronspees6432

Жыл бұрын

@@darthhull85, I said good not great. Examples I was thinking of were Kenseth, and hot shots rookies like Jones or Logano. Also though they parted well, can't help but to think this might have been one of the reasons why Tony started his own team, instead of retiring with JGR. Part of my thinking for this is due to Tony's former teammate Bobby Labonte, won a championship for JGR, and was gone a few years latter.

@richard1472

Жыл бұрын

Joe Gibbs is not stupid. He knows what he's doing. Joe Gibbs is also the guy who won three super bowls and five Nascar cup championships. Beat that with a stick.

@jersey2983

Жыл бұрын

That is completely not true. The problem was not JGR it is Kyle himself. JGR had plenty of Sponsors on the hook but when the Sponsors did there background on Kyle they backed out. Kyle did it to himself. His attitude and antics on the track and off are the reason why JGR couldn’t hold down a sponsor. I don’t have a dog in the fight either.

What JGR did to Kyle Busch is what they did to Matt Kenseth, that's just the way JGR operates...lol

@joelcheek3494

Жыл бұрын

So very true. But then again, Gibbs doesn't have the backstop of a big company like Hendrick, Haas, Kaulig, GMS, RFK, RCR, and...the list goes on. Coach is a coach. He's gotta watch the dollars closer than the other teams.

@thatsalie

Жыл бұрын

What "did" JGR do to Matt Kenseth?

@joelcheek3494

Жыл бұрын

He put him in the street even though he proved he could win races. But it's a business and we don't know he $$$ involved.

@bryonkidder6199

Жыл бұрын

@@thatsalie you're really that unaware?

@DEIFAN

Жыл бұрын

@@joelcheek3494 even though Kenseth was one of the few winnest drivers in the 2010s era

Where did you guys get your info? If you won't reveal them then you're just promoting gossip. No one along the way said anything about a contract. Toyota or Gibbs. I look at Gibbs history of how they treat their drivers they don't like. Logano, Bubba Smith, Daniel Suarez, Eric Jones and now Kyle. You guys are starting to sound like CNN.

@IzzyTheEditor

Жыл бұрын

Bigtime

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

The same place everybody else gets info. These guys are in the garage every single week plus Brett himself has many connections and can get info from people close to the situation. Things get leaked

Alot of the offers he was given were 1 year deals, Joe Gibbs was a 1 year deal, and Kyle wants a multi year deal, so RCR provides that.

@gotemlookin20

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. 10 mil for 1 year and then have to do it all again the next year. Kyle didn’t want to do that. His resume speaks for itself. He hasn’t won a lot of races bc of different circumstances. Not bc of talent. People can say he’s washed. Wait until he has cars and people behind him that want him to succeed

Gibbs didn't want Busch back. We all know he wants his Grandson in the 18.

You need to look at this from another way……if you walked in to your job and were told your pay was going to be cut from 18,000 per year to 10,000 per year would you stay??????I think not…..it’s still a HUGE pay cut whether it’s thousands or millions

Hopefully the relationship between Kyle Busch and Richard Childress goes well next year and moving forward! I’m still bummed that he’s not returning to the 18 thanks to M&M’s Departure.

@duanebailey6253

Жыл бұрын

Will be the quickest break up if Kyle isn't competitive and crys and blames everyone for it. He better hope top teams don't hit on stuff in the off-season.

@Dumbass_mechanic

Жыл бұрын

It's going to be interesting to watch. If it does work out, look towards Stewart Haas, remember Tony Stewart was also a Joe Gibbs driver at one point in time. They have Kevin Harvick who doesn't have much time left, they have Aric Almirola who has one more season, they have Cole Custer who just got a sponsor pulled due to his race manipulation penalty, so has an iffy future, so their only hope right now is Chase Briscoe. They need a big name driver as well. Watch and see how all of this plays out, we know Kyle will not stick around RCR long if he isn't competitive. I personally would love to see Kyle busch in a Ford.. well see.

@robertatchley809

Жыл бұрын

@@Dumbass_mechanic by him

From everything that has been written about this, JGR approached Kyle with a deal that as only 50% of what he was making under the M&M's sponsorship. Granted, this was probably due to JGR not being able to replace that sponsor with a comparable sponsor with comparable monetary input, but a 50% salary cut is just that. He was totally justified in seeking his worth. Toyota could have done more to keep their premier driver but didn't.

@jsavil02

Жыл бұрын

Multiple people have talked about the salaries going down - you can’t command a huge salary without a sponsor anymore.

@tonyhuff5872

Жыл бұрын

Money wasn’t the issue it was length that was the issue with Kyle. He wanted multi years and joe only showed a 1-2 ye contract. Kyle didn’t wanna go through negotiations again for a while is why he accepted rcr contract!!

My kids don’t know who Kyle Busch is, but they sure love the M&Ms car and always root for it. Huge loss having them leave.

@TC-dw6wg

Жыл бұрын

Anthony 👍!

Brett is a factory of horrible takes

How many years was the 8 figure deal likely only one year. He didn't want to do this again in one year.

I believe Kyle wanted to stay with JGR. Ty Gibbs performance changed it. I think Kyle is less in the wrong than Gibbs. I hope he smashes them.

Why do commenters keep saying "dumped" and "fired" ? This is a business. The drivers have contracts for an agreed amount of time. Once that time is up, the team is under no obligation to resign the driver. Many veteran drivers have said that money is not the same, so its no surprise for a team to get a younger cheaper driver if they have the option. Kenseth wasn't screwed, Jones wasn't screwed, Kyle wasn't screwed! JGR honored their contract but decided not to resign them.

Another point is if Toyota wanted Bush they have plenty of money to have put up the sponsorship themselves (look back to 2001 and Chrysler sponsoring 2cars for Evernham racing ….and they did that for years)

@americanbadass88

Жыл бұрын

hell GM sponsored Dale Earnhardt for years. Sounds like neither JGR or Toyota was serious about keeping him and Kyle seen right through it. You have to know your worth and not settle for LESS

@jsavil02

Жыл бұрын

Kyle’s salary isn’t justified without a sponsor and winning one race a year.

I thin Ty Gibbs was the plan all along this year and JGR were just stringing KB along. You she how easy it was for Kb to strike up talks with Sling

@jabber1990

Жыл бұрын

Ty was probably going to replace Truex, Truex decided to stay which closed that door, so the 18 sniped Ty

Even if he was offered 10 million plus, if it's a series of 1 year deals, you don't just take it to take it when you're expecting 3 years or more. He's got plenty of years left in him. So just because the money was good, the stress of renegotiating year after year isn't worth it if you KNOW you can get a multi year commitment elsewhere. JGR dragged it along because Oracle dragged it along. I don't mind hearing these insider takes, but I am smart enough to know they are playing angles for their own best interests. Hindsight is 20/20 so it's a pretty moot point because JGR is probably glad he didn't take that deal at the time either. 3 sides to the story and I think in the end all parties involved will be fine

I still feel it was much bigger than Gibbs. He had KBM to worry about, and he was looking long term. Overall to seems he couldn't get the long term thing he was looking for

@jabber1990

Жыл бұрын

Toyota is the one funding KBM,

There's a lot of 8 digit deals but you don't count the digits, you count their value. There's a lot of money between 10M and 99M

@jakec6499

Жыл бұрын

That and he needed something for his employees in kbm to have a paycheck

JGR never picked up the phone after the 1st two deals fell through. Ty was going to 18 period.

It wasn’t money the few rumors were a longer deal is what Kyle wanted. There was a one year deal with 23X1 or Gibbs I don’t know who.

Let it go, guys and gals. Those that need to know the reasons, know - and they are what matters. Kyle and his managers/negotiators know what they need to know, and JG and his business folks and close friends know. Speculations, hyperbole, etc. is a waste of time. I loved it when TJ said "when the font goes from this big to this big ...."

I don’t think I would be going on and on about Kyle “playing the victim”. Feels like you’re just talking down about him saying how he feels. Talking about “move on”. This show has so much bias and it’s sad.

He's better off with RCR anyway everybody's fixing to see the light

@joezukas5398

Жыл бұрын

Hell ya,

You would take a 10 million dollar deal over a 20 million dollar deal? No you wouldn't. Everybody wants to be paid what they are worth. Obviously Chidress out bid JGR and JGR knew what Busch could make him. JGR wanted a spot for his grandson and he made the spot open up.

But if you were taking a 50 percent deal off your normal salary, is that a good deal? Nope, JGR is not the victim here. jGR has a track record of this. Dumb for JGR good for RCR. Go Kyle!

Kyle realizes that he had some good offers with JGR that he turned down so now he a RCR guy and we'll see how it goes

I am not a KB fan but these guys are too biased against him. Not the first time this week I've seen a clip of them being Toyota's mouthpiece. Guess I'll stick to other Dirty Mo programs.

Nascar is in trouble. So many big name sponsors have left. Who's next.

@TC-dw6wg

Жыл бұрын

Yep! Libtard (PC correct) world is striking once again. I hate writing anything Political, but reality is reality as far as how I see it. I think if this was football, M&M’s would not be leaving.

JGR DIDN'T OFFER MULTIPLE YEAR OPTIONS IS PROBABLY WHT HE SAID NO. HE SAID ALL ALONG HE WANTED A LONG TERM DEAL EVEN DENNY SAID HE COULDN'T GIVE KB A LONG DEAL WHICH IS WHY KB DIDN'T SIGN THERE BUT RCR GAVE HIM THE LOVE AND LONG TERM DEAL HE WANTS HAPPY FOR RCR AND KB.

JGR has been dumping drivers like this since it's inception. Bobby Labonte, Joey Logano, Eric Jones. I'm sorry to disagree with you but I believe Kyle. I believe Coach had Kyle's back for the last 15 years and did just turn his back, shut things off, in a nano second. Don't be giving Gibbs props. They don't handle driver changes well over there. And going forward, if Kyle AND Richard do in fact bond/mesh, that's going to be one H-of a explosion if the two together get down on something going on in NASCAR.

@AgtWashingtub

Жыл бұрын

Wasnt Dale Jarrett in the 18 before Bobby?

@TC-dw6wg

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget Logano and Kenseth.

@SallyBedow

Жыл бұрын

@@AgtWashingtub Yes

To me it's very simple TY GIBBS

Why should Kyle Busch sign a 1 year deal to do this again next year…

Kyle blocked me on Twitter just for saying "If JGR can't afford him what makes anyone think somebody else can." I said that believing, surly they would work things out. That being said, after Joe saw how decent Ty was doing in the 45 I believe he quit trying so hard. We've all saw how Coach has no problem with kicking a guy under the bus IF he thinks he has a better prospect, i.e: Joey for Matt, Matt for Erik, Erik for Christopher. Now Kyle for Ty. 🤨🤬

@omgjames911

Жыл бұрын

Wait...Ty is doing decent in the 45??? He has an average finish of 23.2.... and is struggling to finish on the lead lap EVERY week.

Sounds like bias to me. I heard that the deals JGR was offering were only 1 year deals. I don't blame him for leaving. He's KFB.

These older drivers KB now being one of them, are waking up to the realization that those fat contracts from years past are gone. I'm sorry he didn't get a 5 year 50 million dollar deal but those types of deals are gone. Especially when you have a staple of our sport (M&M's) leaving and others following suit. It's just a numbers game and advertising exposure compared to viewership, cost of equipment, team salaries, etc. are just not in a position to where these corporations are comfortable spending millions upon millions a year for a sport that is far removed from its heyday in the late 90's and 00's when viewership was reaching all-time highs each year.

all bow down to Brett and his unquestioning knowledge of EVERYTHING that goes on in NASCAR. dude is a tool LOL

Its a business...full stop. Then there is family, Joe Gibbs going to take care of family.

Love Brett Rocking the Gamecock gear! Beamer Ball to the Moon!

Like you said M&M’s can sell their product to anyone. They probably finally realized they are getting very little benefit paying millions of dollars a year advertising to people that is already buying their product.

@tootallbob

Жыл бұрын

^^^ Yes. There are a lot of big name advertisers who have left the sport who now know they can get more bang for their advertising dollars other than Nascar.

Kyle has been third fiddle at gibbs since truex came in and it’s clear just based on the speed in his car every week

@tonyhuff5872

Жыл бұрын

Kyle luckily won the 19 title his cars have been trash since pocono 2019. Hamlin is the top dog at JGR.

Just out of curiosity can anyone tell me where I can watch this podcast live?

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

You missed your opportunity for the week to watch the edited version of the show to fit a TV window. It's on Mavtv on Thursday nights though Thursday after Phoenix will be the last until February

@mccannmotorsports3858

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhaas2523 is there a way to watch it live when it first comes out though?

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

@@mccannmotorsports3858 no there's no live video it's a podcast and you can find all the links to listen to it on dirty Moe's website

@mccannmotorsports3858

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhaas2523 gotcha, I'm not much of a podcast guy so this is all new to me. Thank you though

Kyle said it himself awhile ago. M&M was an 11 million dollar a year sponsor. They pulled out and there aren't any more 10,11,12 or 15 million dollar sponsors trying to get into NASCAR right now. So you have to ask, is that a Kyle Busch problem, or is that a NASCAR problem? And as a fan who just turned 46 years old on Monday and has been a fan since before I can remember, I have to say that is absolutely 100% a NASCAR problem, and I fear for the future of the sport if it doesn't get solved soon.

@TC-dw6wg

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s both, but much more on the NASCAR problem end and not promising for the future of the sport which sucks and hopefully I’m 100% off the mark on this. Happy B-Day!

@joshuapowers4623

Жыл бұрын

It's neither a Kyle Bush or a NASCAR problem, it's a capitalism problem. All those big name brand sponsors are gone is because their numbers are telling them that most fans can no longer afford the brand loyalty based on a favorite driver. People are looking at the money they're making & deciding they can't spend $30 a week on M&M's candy or a case of Budweiser for a watch party, or Tide is just too expensive compared to the generic detergent. It's why you don't really know what a lot of today's sponsors actually do, because they're geared towards a buisness clientele not a consumer one. There's not enough spare money in consumers accounts to make it worth it anymore. And no matter what NASCAR does they can't change that dynamic.

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

Mars AKA the parent company of M&Ms had turnover in the marketing department or whatever and new guy wasn't into nascar so since contract is up he takes the money some other places like Philadelphia flyers aka NHL team

I have a long story but I promise it relates to this. Senior year in high school I got a scholarship to play lacrosse. My mom convinces me not to accept the scholarship a year later I called the school back seeing if the scholarship is still available because I realize it was a stupid decision, It's no longer available of course. According to Kyle Busch's logic I should be mad at the school for pulling the scholarship

I still think ty and Joe Gibbs were the issue, Kyle hadn't be happy at jgr the last few years before the contract started

@MrBurney12

Жыл бұрын

Kinda why Harvick left RCR. He and Kyle are more alike than they are different. Looks like Richard finally acknowledged that his grandson isn't a very good driver and hired a real one

He might have had a deal offered but he said in an interview right after the announcement he was going to rcr that the 18 car was never on the table.

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

Something tells me staying at jgr was never a option after he turned down the deal as was only deal and might have been a deal jgr knew Kyle would turn down

@jsavil02

Жыл бұрын

Bc he turned down the deal and they didn’t offer him another one.

Sometimes when I watch this show, it reminds me of the house roofers going to a bar after work. Then sitting around at a bar and talking about how the contractor should do his job even though all they have ever done is put shingles on a roof.

Sure M&M's can sell to every breathing human being, but the actual question that makes a sponsorship worth it is are we selling M&M's because people are a Kyle Busch & NASCAR fan. And the answer most of these brand sponsors have come up with is NO. Seven states, 6 of which are core NASCAR states, still use the $7.25 minimum wage. Which suppresses all other wages. Why would someone offer $18/hr when they can offer $10/hr while pointing to the place paying $7.25/hr & saying if you don't like go work there. What kind of financial decisions would you make earning less than $300/wk before taxes? Probably not blowing $30 on M&M's to watch a race with your friends every week.

I find all these sports talk shows, humorous. The guys on this video, Pat McAfee, Screamin' A. Smith, and all of them. They seem to think they have all the answers, know what is best for each athlete, and make all sorts of assumptions and create scenarios. They don't know crap, and put themselves out there as experts. Kyle is just the latest of the American athletes who changed teams and made career changes. So what! Why analyze the hell out of it? What is the point?

so if i understand the table if he offered a certain amount he shouldnt complain? what if it was a pay cut?

Where have they been? They're talking about something happened before the Darlington playoff race.This happened almost 3 weeks before the announcement to RCR. They're talking nonsense like Kyle had a deal. Joe Gibbs told Kyle that the 18 is no longer available. The only Toyota cup deal was left was 2311. That was also only going to be a 1 year deal with a start up team. No wonder why Kyle choose RCR. They were the only team left that weren't a start up team. Kyle doesn't have 20 years left in his career. He's 37 he has about 10 years left

Kenseth, Truex, Busch now.. same story. Kyle should have gotten what he needed. Kyle is hands down one of the most talented drivers. An ass sure, but hey who hasn't made mistakes, he's grown and changed a lot. Glad to RCR pick him up. Good luck in your future

Man I don't like the spotter in the middle. You don't know what happened with that deal. Super speculator. Smh. I hate bloggers and "talkers"

Truth is reality people are Fed up!

who is the dude (the one with ridiculous big glasses) at the table?

So an older racer doesn't get the long term high money deal he wanted. Happens all the time in sports.

Driver pay is down. Hamlin even said so along with sponsorship money going down. Losing a major sponsor like MM’s was huge and with Kyle’s attitude there may not have been a sponsor willing to donate that kind of money.

Its business! Your family until your not I dont think it's as personal as he takes it

I think Monster Energy is the key. I bet with Kurt not being full time they are ready to bankroll Ty. They can’t sponsor Kyle bc Kyle created a rival product. Why not pull the trigger on Ty if you have a sponsor waiting ready to go for him?

@veronicav278

Жыл бұрын

Oooo good points. No one has even MENTION MONSTER's money. Everyone is focused on M&M's Monster has DEEP POCKETS, they are LOYAL to NASCAR and their one true COMPETITOR (red bull) left NASCAR years ago Also none of the younger drivers that are sponsored by Monster re ready to move up to Cup anytime soon. So Ty can EASILY shine for the next 3 years..

@rowdybusch2332

Жыл бұрын

Monster can't sponsor ty Gibbs in cup contract is with 2311 till 2025 they can't break it the won't either they only sponsor ty in lower their because he can win he can barely finish top 15 in cup they won't want him dollars to donuts

@jsavil02

Жыл бұрын

@@rowdybusch2332 that’s incorrect. The monster energy sponsorship was with Kurt and not 23XI. Just like it was at Ganassi and just like it was at SHR. Kurt wasn’t signed til 2025 so there was no way Monster was.

@levantjbean2712

Жыл бұрын

This is so ignorant why would they have gone to Kyle Busch anyway? So dumb. They follow their drivers they start with

@jsavil02

Ай бұрын

@@rowdybusch2332this was way wrong lol

Kyle Busch isnt my driver but only reason he is going to RCR is because he wants that Daytona 500.

I find it interesting that the 18 car ran terrible (with multiple engine failures) in Bobby Labonte's final season (when it was a top five car the year before prior to Fatback's firing), and the same thing is happening in Kyle Busch's final season. It's only speculation of course, but multiple engine/parts failures and a lack of speed seems to encourage the drivers to find an alternative team without coming right out and saying that's what the company wants them to do.

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

Trd expand Kyle's engine issues as something to do with the valve train and NASCAR revlimeter setting this year and gear ratio and Kyle was hitting that limit a little too much and engines don't like that

And what sponsors we're going to be on the car, JGR still has not said anything about the 18 car or any deal's that they have received to be on the 18 car, Monster hasn't stayed with a team, They even left as the title sponsor to the Cup series

@johnhaas2523

Жыл бұрын

We're going to find out anytime after next Sunday. Interstate batteries is returning The only question is how many races and how many races monster energy going to sponsor. Monster energy likes to take it's time to announce things That's also part of why nothing's been announced with deegan

I like they guys comment in this video;"if I was offered an 8 figure deal and turned it down, I don't think I'd be playing the victim"; exactly... Kyle is never at fault at in anything....lol. People say that he has finally grown up, I think this proves that false. Poor poor Kyle Busch

Denny said on this podcast he was worth 6+/yr. If he’s getting his market value that’s a 2 year deal. He said repeatedly he wasn’t interested in a short term deal.

But say what you want joe knew what Kyle would turn down and what Kyle would accept. Kyle was the scape goat to an open ride for grandson Ty. Hamlin and bell ain’t going anywhere. Truex might leave in after 23. Also rumored the 19 won’t be in jgr stable anymore. Martin to the 18 and ty to the 54!

As an owner, you can and should only put up with a little drama, and KB was nonstop backtracking and smoothing over sponsors. I’m not a fan of JGR, they cheat, like they all do, but they act so Pius because they pray at the track, so that means it’s ok. If KB would just shut up and race without throwing a fit every time something goes wrong, he’d be a 6-7 time champ. You need to pick your fights in life and not everything is worth fighting about.

America!!!!!!!!!

I think Joe Gibbs said here’s the numbers and deal and if you don’t like it then goodbye 🤷‍♂️. He has become one of the most successful car owners in nascar of all time in a relatively short amount of time in an era of the sport where people like Ganassi or Penske couldn’t even get beyond a B rate team on a week in and week out basis. He realizes Kyle is getting to the end of his best days and will soon pass his prime and just let him walk rather than pay him whatever Kyle was demanding so that JGR can focus on the success of the future with their up and coming young drivers. Gibbs is no dummy obviously with running a cup organization

Who were the other 8 figure offers??? Why keep it a secret?? I don't believe Hendrick, Penske nor SHR were interested!!

This show and being spot off on something involving Kyle Busch goes together like PB&J.

i think knowledge that kyle busch brings makes it worth it for richard childress off that alone & then the talent & stuff is icing on the cake

You are full of crap you can't be serious, Kyle didn't want to ever leave JGR or Toyota. He was forced out, so Ty could take over the 18. I personally am glad that he is leaving, screw JGR. RCR & Chevrolet are going to look so good with Kyle Busch in the 8. Chevrolet is better than Toyota anyway.

Kyle lost a great sponsor who helped him make $15-25M/year, depending on whom you listen to. It happens in this sport, heck even Jimmie Johnson lost Lowe's. And I'm sure JJ would still be driving for Rick Hendrick had Lowe's not left the sport. JJ won 7 championships and Kyle has only won 2. Kyle reportedly turned down a $10M/year offer from JGR so I'm not gonna shed a tear for him. And him playing the victim is pathetic. Nobody wanted him when he got fired by Rick Hendrick 15 years ago. You would think he would be a little more grateful towards Gibbs for all he has done for him since.

If Ty Gibbs was not around, Joe would have put a deal together come hell or high water.

Too bad this isn’t just the Tj show. I love the content. Can’t stand the right side of the table

Well ironically had you folks listened to his interviews at the RCR announcement he made it very clear that Ty Gibbs was always the contract offer and not him. Which ultimately explains why he and his family feel the way they do. At the end of the day, I guess blood is thicker than water and the family ties (no pun intended) took precedent. The 18 team hasn’t run the way it should have all year anyway with multiple failures, mistakes, and simply think it’s a good time for both parties to move on in there respective separate paths.

@mga7649

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Blood 8 times thicker

@BrandAutosports17

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LMAO

@AgtWashingtub

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@@BrandAutosports17 The whole phrase is 'the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb', which ironically means the opposite of what we have twisted the shortened version to mean

I was from the beginning a Dale Earnhardt fan... He brought us Jr when Dale left us I followed Jr.. Guys like Jr and as much as this sucks to say Busch bring money to the teams because of their popularity... Obviously RCR can pay Kyle what he feels he's worth because Richard see's the money having Kyle will bring the team.. Coach needed a seat for his Grandson who will make Kyle look like a saint. This is a Win Win for RCR and a total Loss for JGR

Why is everyone shocked he left? He was just the next guy to leave JGR like this. There are how many other great drivers who left like this? Just an opinion.

Does KBM switch to Chevy as well ?

@johnhaas2523

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Yes

They offered Kyle less.. jo also did not try to keep Kyle. They were holding out hoping that Kyle would give in and sign for less then he is worth.

CAN'T WAIT FOR THE TANTRUMS WHEN HIS RCR CAR IS SLOW.

Can anyone explain to me how much knowledge can be transferred through these veterans with this new car, doesn't it sort of wipe the slate in terms of car/track setups?

@johnhaas2523

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There's a lot of knowledge you can take with you as new team the crew chief and car chief Will know what setups Kyle like/works for him by Kyle just in meetings saying that information and what not. RCR has the same stuff jgr has now with the new car

@Cairncross_

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@@johnhaas2523 didnt think of that, forgot about all the homologated parts! Appreciate the insight John!

If JGR and Toyota wanted to keep Kyle Bush they could have! Sponsorship was out of the question! I expect Kyle Bush to be driving the #8 for RCR sponsored by Goodwrench next season!

Question? Do you believe Gibbs could not get sponsors for Kyle?

@jstrawse

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I WOULD NOT BE SUPRISED IF M&Ms ISN'T PULING A NAPA DEAL AND SAYS WERE OUT AND THEN BACK IN WITH A DIFFERENT TEAM ie MWR AFTER THE SPINGATE DEBACLE. EASIEST WAY TO GET OUT

sounds like the same stuff they told kenseth. perhaps Eric jones too. jgr has proven they do what they want. I'm sure little gibbs played a factor in it too

Wanted to come back to this video...and the 3 stooges assumptions, well swallow that crow! Your right about one thing..he's more mature but how did he roll in so many sponsors??? I don't assume like you guys (ASS of U n ME), and boom, 2 nd race, Win KB..almost had the 500 as well as good showing @ the clash! You 3 Larry , Curly, n Shrimp are entertaining in your own world my friends! Can't wait to hear more of your assumptions coming.

It's a sponsor driven sport. If I could drive a Nascar. Had the license, and full paid sponsorship I'd have a ride lol. A better driver without sponsorship wouldn't. Without that full time sponsorship they couldn't afford to pay him what he's worth.

There is one big part of this story that’s not being talked about here and that’s Joe Gibbs’ Grandson. There’s no doubt in my mind that Coach Gibbs wants his Grandson driving for him, why wouldn’t he? That had a part in this I believe, to what extent no one knows but Kyle and Coach Gibbs. I hope Kyle beats Gibbs’ cars every chance he gets.

Gibbs never was going to sign him, he had Little Tyke to take his place for cheap

I am in no way a KB fan but he was asked about the situation and he gave his honest feelings. It was a long term relationship and it has to hurt no matter how it all went down. Brett is an arrogant, know-it-all a** sometimes he needs to speak less. His opinion is not Bible.

Yea Joe had Kyle's back but Kyle took it for granted that things would never change and therefore he never changed.

I don’t like how they perceive Kyle to just be money hungry if doesn’t matter if your offered 8 figure or not if it’s not your value and it’s just an insulting offer of course you wouldn’t just take it

Kyle did not get fired , Kyle wants to be the number one driver on a team and he knows Grand Daddy will put Grandson first.

Not a Kyle Busch fan, but any organization that let him go are fools. The guys a wheelman and is a threat to win at every track. Bad for JGR. Great for RCR and RCR needs a leader and proven winner.

I disagree with Brett on M&Ms being able to sale to everybody 😂 not if your diabetic like me

@jayannakelley9051

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Anyone with common sense knows what he meant. My son & sister are diabetic.

@hunternixonfishing2500

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@@jayannakelley9051 Some people really aren’t fluent in sarcasm 🤦🏻‍♂️ yes I know what he meant

@jayannakelley9051

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@@hunternixonfishing2500 - Sometimes sarcasm is hard to detect through a worded message. 🤷‍♀️

@AgtWashingtub

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@@hunternixonfishing2500 Yeah boss, the standard for letting people know a written statement is sarcastic is to end it with /s. You didnt do that, and more or less made a statement of fact, which got responded to as such. No need to take out your failed joke on the lady for pointing out the obvious.

@hunternixonfishing2500

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@@AgtWashingtub Then both of you failed to have a sense of humor then. Not my fault you can’t detect it and ending with statements in /s makes no sense. But carry on grammar police

Here’s another side of the story that nobody is talking about, look at Jgr’s wins this year, they weren’t ones of domination, they were practically gifted to them, Kyle may have seen a lack of performance throughout the company and wanted out.