For everyone asking, BATTERY IS BACK IN STOCK!! **Parts list:** 72v 3000w Motor + controller kit: amzn.to/3pmls4m 72v 20 amp hour battery: amzn.to/3qsflvM E-bike twist throttle: amzn.to/3QQ6bEQ E-bike voltage meter + key-on: amzn.to/3dwrlcC

@kennethrascon6414

Жыл бұрын

Hey I was trying the link for the 72v 20 amp hour battery

@kennethrascon6414

Жыл бұрын

But it didn’t work What do I so

@kennethrascon6414

Жыл бұрын

Do

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethrascon6414 UPDATE: the battery is no longer for sale :-/ looking for an alternative, sorry for the confusion everyone

@kalvinbecker7942

Жыл бұрын

I have been going through your sx500 vids and it inspired me to make my own so I cant wait to do that with this parts

this is a big inspiration to me to keep going cuz im building my own mx650, and i thought itd be funny to slam it to the ground, and now im all in with the build

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!! That's such a good idea keep me posted.

I'm just now getting into the e bikes coming from 2 stroke racing bikes, and I really wanted to start with a Surron. However, when I saw someone doing this I thought it was super cool and this will be my first e bike to modify and see how I like it before I dish out thousands more for a bigger one. Great video man

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

that’s a great way to do it - coming from cars that’s exactly what I did. Fair warning, you’ll probably end up getting a surron. I did. Both amazing bikes in their own ways.

@DescartesRenegade

10 ай бұрын

Better to just get a surron. After all the upgrades the cost becomes absurd. 72v high output battery 900+, motor $600+, controller. $400+, wheels/brakes/suspension, etc, another $1000. That's already $3k and it's without the donor bike. 3k will already get you a used surron.

@joeyb7084

5 ай бұрын

@@DescartesRenegadeit’s faster than a sur ron

@DescartesRenegade

5 ай бұрын

@@joeyb7084 faster is just one aspect. It's no where near as comfortable.

Currently binging all the ebike stuff 👌🏻love from london

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

thanks g 🙏 I appreciate that

big help on mine for fixing seating was move front bars foward a few inches.. felt way more stable and moved that COG

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Good call - simple and effective. I’ll give it a shot.

always wanted to get a mini e moto project going. love the ronster, but only own e scooters myself. need a bike in my life! sick ride bro.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

do it!! The fun levels are unmatched

I recommend getting bigger bars it makes the ride so much better

The kelly controllers are much smaller and quite good. Makes it easier to build. The motors are rated 3000, but they have no control over how much power you push through it.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

100% true, in my latest video I swapped for a KVD with great results

Can’t wait to run into you around the town! Let’s Goooooo

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

yessss

Good video (except the first half, camera was making me motion sick) but I listened thru as I’d look away for moments at a time. Once you get to actual testing the footage was good. Definitely upgrade those brakes cause I was worried for you on those runs lol

Thank you so much 😊

Same I got inspired by him too I love him

You got a voice of a professional. I feel you could be KZread famous one day lol. Camera was shaken too much while you hold it but other then that, thumps up on the vid. I’ve always wondered if the cheap way is worth it. I got the electro & co kit not 1000 tho

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much man! And yes I’ve definitely heard that feedback before, noted :) Imho I think the cheap way is worth it for everything except the controller. And the full e&c kit is awesome, i’m jealous you got it.

Pat Outdoors is doing a Razor Mods. Freaking Cool stuff.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen some of his videos, great 48v content!

Legendary but terrifying 👐 just the way we like it

@willywonkastwin

Жыл бұрын

You better let me ride this when I come to town in 3 weeks

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@willywonkastwin hahaha alright you got it.

Dude I freaking love your reaction. It's hilarious. Just got yourself a new subscriber and I was wondering if you've gotten use to the touchy throttle?

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

hahah thank you, I was really scared. I did get used to it, it's really not that bad on Mode 1 after a few days and a total blast to ride. I did end up upgrading the controller to something smoother + more powerful, so you'll see that video pop up some time next week :)

@brucewayne6858

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor hell yeah man!!! I can't wait for the video!!! I seen the e&c kit but that $1600 price tag was a turn off for me. With the links you provided I'm roughly saving $400 - $600

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@brucewayne6858 WONDERFUL i’m so glad you saved some money, that was the big goal.

@XbnsVvV

Жыл бұрын

The reaction was so annoying and tedious

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@XbnsVvV unreal username. you win this round

I love the idea of this mod but I am a taller guy and I get the feeling that you may be close to my 6'1" height as well. I would want to explore elongating the frame by a couple inches and moving the pegs forward a bit if possible. This would not only make the fit better but would also help with the front end wanting to lift. I might also want to try another controller where you can modify the action of the throttle... maybe.

Please make a in depth video on how to make and rig this thing up 🙏🙏🙏

Hey how did you learn to make this build? Nice vid btw. Keep it up you will become a huge hit in the future.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much!! And i just kind of figured it out as I went along with wiring diagrams and stuff :) Other than wiring it’s basically just a couple of bolts!

Can you do more videos on razor bikes ? Lol 😂

How has the parts held up to today . Any problems you had?

def looking into a 13t sprocket for stock chain and then 15t for shortened chain.. gain top end and be less harsh on take off.. i just did a sx500 build myself over the last two weekends and picked up a mx500 yesterday for the wife lol

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

that’s exactly my thought - I was thinking 13t so i can still have good torque for wheelies and stuff. Congrats on build #2, i’ll catch up with you soon!

@TURBOMOOSE

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor yeah man no doubt. I also come from modding cars and drifting and stuff aswell. Cool to see someone making the same moves! I'm only 48v on my sx and managed to get 35mph out of it I'm more then sure you'll hit 42 at minimum

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@TURBOMOOSE that’s sick!!! it’s an easy transition, just fun motorized reckless stuff haha. I’ll order a sprocket from electro and co and see how i like it, thanks man.

I weigh 160 and have a 72v 11kw razor and I can confirm they are absolutely fun death traps, always wear a helmet (it's not cool to have your brains on the street) and upgrade those brakes to a big caliper and rotor cause stopping is more important than going fast lol

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

absolutely a death trap. The 11kw kit looks unreal. And fully agreed on brakes, this bike is waaaay different now haha

Could a different battery provide the same amount of speed? Wondering because 700 dollars is a ton to me.

yo i love sur ronster

AWESOME

Hey man love the build and im looking to do somthing similar, i was wondering if you ever found a different 72 volt battey and e bike voltage meter as the ones you listed arnt available anymore. Love the videos man!

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much! And thank you for letting me know, the vendors keep switching up on us: Key/volt meter: amzn.to/3UgJo7b Battery - it seems like they’re no longer selling the 20ah version but i’m not 100% sure that the 30ah version will fit!! Make sure to measure your battery tray first if you decide to go this route, as I can’t guarantee fit: amzn.to/3UDqR4u

@al-rr9xe

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor Will do! Thanks so much man

yesss

Can you do a parts list explaining everything

Hi Logan I am doing a very similar build and was wondering which wire does what for the throttle? Thanks

Does that ECS in the motor combo run the 72 volts or do you need a separate 72 volt ESC?

do you need the E-bike voltage meter + key-on

Does it still work?

the biggest difference between the E&C kit and these big chineese controllers is that low end take off and smoothness, ive been using 80A big china controller for a year now and i just recently got the full E&C kit and it dosent have that feeling of its going to kill you everytime on intial take off, you dont even have to try to take off smoothly lol

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

It's good to hear your first hand experience -- I've been thinking more about going with the E&C tuned kelly controller for higher amperage + smoother takeoff. Was it a worthwhile upgrade?

@highvoltfab

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor personally I would say yes it was definitely worth it even though I’m already used to the way these China controllers behave haha it’s just nice having the extra torque and predictability!

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@highvoltfab alright you’ve convinced me, I’ll upgrade. Thanks for the info!

@vert_yt269

Жыл бұрын

That Chinese controller last year year?

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

not sure if I 100% understand the question, but i’ve only been running the controller for a few weeks so not sure if it’ll last a year. I would assume it would though, and even if it didn’t it would be cheap to replace :)

Needs a wheelie bar.....FOR SURE lol

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

hahaha u right

is there an alternative battery?

Can you please make a video on how you wire everything please I just got all the parts but have no clue on how to wire it. I need help please your the best

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

oh no!! I don’t have the wiring diagram for this controller anymore but it should come with your kit - shoot me a DM on IG @loganandrewtaylor i’ll do my best to help!

What’s the black connector that you heat up for the battery can you link it

Hey man just curious how many mph does it go to?

Next time put a cookie cutter on the back so it don't do wheelies.. looks fun either way..👍

whene i cliked the link for the moter and controller it says its a 2000 w 48 volt

Is there a tutorial that you can make to go into detail on how to build thia

I've got 72v system in Dallas love it but I own 3 lol Razor mosiah of Dallas 😊

How long does it last off 1 full charge?

When you get the cheap controller you get the cheap feel. Grab a kelly controller and your set

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

for what it’s worth, the cheap controller makes it pretty hectic and fun. But yes, it was a temporary gap stop and an E&C tuned kelly is coming soon :)

Hey, now that its been a while since you made this is there anything to say about how long the batteries last? Im thinking this would be better than a lower power gas bike but if I have to replace the most expensive part every few years that might change things.

i weight 95 and im 13 and when he said at 160 your done i was like shitt im gon be on on my back everytime

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

hahaha you’d flyyyy dude

@williamcarignan5326

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor yh and love your vids btw really affordable for a lot of power

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@williamcarignan5326 thanks bro!

extended swingarm would make it more stable but thats fuckin nuts

Need to go with electro and co that's the kit I got

Im probably going to do this exact build but does anyone know how long the bike will last until it dies?

Hey Logan! Have you had any issues with the Btr LiFePO4 battery? Mine won’t take charge past 72V…

@logan-taylor

11 ай бұрын

hmm, i haven’t had any issues. Is your battery 72v or 60v? If they sent you a 60v, that might be max voltage?

Looking into getting this bike and I am pretty tall. For scale how tall are you so I know how big it is.

I have the same kit as yours, but my throttle wires are different. I have red, black, white for throttle and gray, yellow, blue for 3 speed. Black and orange for reverse. The controller wires are all correct. Your throttle wires are different than mine,do we have different throttles?

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like it - I ordered my throttle separately! Actually just got a new one from Electro & Co, the one in this video isn’t the greatest.

Hey just wondering how much did you say the bike was it self? Because I’m thinking of doing this bike on the rsf 650 but I don’t know if it will be more expensive

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i think i paid like 2 or 3 hundred for the bike off of FB marketplace! RSF’s are definitely more expensive to buy but totally a cool frame

What size battery y’all recommend My 10yr old son has a MX650 all stock Was gonna do the Amazon motor you got and 36V 20 AH Battery I’d like top speed to be 30 but long range… any info would be great!! Btw he has a Raptor 250 with experience, I just don’t want him going fast on the streets

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

I think you’d probably want to go for a 48v battery with a matching motor/controller - I don’t think there are any good 36v options, and the power upgrade just wouldn’t be enough fun :) Here’s a pretty affordable 48v 20ah option that should get you really good range: amzn.to/3CVZMEh 48v kits on these bikes are great, and with a 12 or 13 tooth front sprocket from Electro and Co he should be able to hit 30 no problem! Vevor makes a 48v kit similar to the 72v one I used - you can also find that on amazon and it’ll give you around 2kw which would be perfect for a younger rider.

what’s battery did you use?

Hey bro I was just wondering is it hard to install all the things on there? I really wanted a bike for myself, but I’m too scared that I won’t be able to do it myself.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

physically installing everything is pretty simple - it’s just some allen bolts basically. The wiring is pretty tricky and frustrating, but if you can find a plug-and-play kit it should be super easy. You got this!

Has anyone found another battery with the same specs in stock?

What gearing are you running? You want to get a 13 or 14 tooth front sprocket. You’ll lose a hair of that torque, but gain top speed; and it will still lift a little. Also, as others stated, E&C programming does help. You can get the mapped controller for about $350. Razor didn’t know what they made when they made these. The SX/MX500 is the best frame, as it is the most versatile. You also have, with the SX, a real BMX freewheel; so you can upgrade (ACS Paws 4.1 is a great mix of price and performance). You are just getting started. These are little speed drugs.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Running a stock 11t in front, although on the hunt for a 13t to try it out -- such an easy thing to swap out, so I figure it's worth a shot! A kelly controller is 100% on the horizon now that my second round of upgrades are done :) (video coming this weekend). I was actually so curious what the best freewheel option was but couldn't find any information. Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! Speed drugs indeed. It's addictive.

@Nohoze

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor Check out KruseN Stuff. He’s been messing with a lot of gearing. He just hit 55.3 on his MX650. With the ACS, you’ll first have to pop that cutting cherry; and remove the stock freewheel. Some people have been able to manhandle it with a lot of torque; but most hack it to death until surrender comes a’calling. You’ll also have to remove a small amount of material from the inner ring of the chain wheel. Completely worth the effort; and it definitely helps to make up for the last few generations’ lack of Hero’s journey. While you’re Doped up on Mod Balls, you might as well buy a 65t chainwheel. 55t is next level; but now you’re adding fans; check the_sharks_cove for his 3D printed fan shroud. Get 2 good 12v fans, and, if you haven’t already, spring for a buck converter, or just as good, a 110ac to 8A DC wall adapter (our Lord and Savior Bezos provides that as well). Works as good or better with 72v than the dedicated 72v to blah blah bucks. You’re gonna want to bedazzle that bish with lights, sirens… heated toilet seats. All’dat. Would you believe I’ve run my mouth this long, and still haven’t got my own SX done yet? I’m in ecstasy just learning about the circuits and rewiring throttles, fans, brakes, etc. ‘Twill be a sexy, Baby Moto, ‘doe; and as close to street legal as I can get. Gonna try to Manifest a Registration. I truly believe if we demand the Right to Ride Responsibly, we can send K’ren back in’na’house. Y’feel me? Ok. I’m exhausted.

cool project!! what that bike weight?

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i’ve never weighed it but i would guess maybe 100lbs? About the same as a Surron.

Did you try reverse?

what would i need to wire the battery

A lot of larger riders extend that rear wheel so you don’t end up flipping off the back…

You need full leathers. Better yet put that motor, battery and controller into something with a couple more feet of wheelbase.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

1. i agree 100%, protective gear is in the works so i can participate in ride outs with the seattle PEV groups 2. if only i knew someone who could help me weld up an extended swing arm…

@scotlaughlin2487

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor That's one way, you might know someone...😉

I have a 48V kit on an MX500 and it does around 32 MPH…. Would you know if there’s some type of regulator that I can add on to reduce the power when my young son wants to ride it… my throttle has a 3 position switch which I was hoping would enable me to control the power output but it feels like all 3 positions are the same

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i’ve always had trouble with the three modes, you’re not alone. If you could put some sort of resistor on a switch, you could hypothetically limit the voltage that the throttle sends to the controller when that switch is on? So full throttle would be like 2v instead of 5v, for example. That’s like a monkey brain idea but it would definitely reduce “twitchiness” in the throttle and make it safer for a youngster -

@landonmelton8063

Жыл бұрын

What 48v kit do you have?

How many mph it goes?

the link that you put for the controller and motor is only 48 volts

@user-cz8dq2ex4g

3 ай бұрын

ong i bought it on accidnet

What did you do with your old motor and speed controller and batteries that was on your mx500 if you want to sale it all im interested in purchasing it all

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

if you’re in the seattle area message me on IG! @loganandrewtaylor

Does this work for a rider who is 6'1"? Or will it be too small?

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i’m about 6’3” so it should work great!

Need to make your own kits with this stuff and sell them cheap then other dudes, you know that everyone would go your way because it’s cheaper and pretty much the same damn thing

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

one day…

How much was the total build

That is way to much power and torque for a child 😮

Where can I find an in-depth on how to do wiring

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Shoot sorry I didn't go more in-depth - I had to sort it out from the wiring diagram. If you're having trouble with your wiring shoot me a DM on IG (@loganandrewtaylor) and I can help match up the wires. Most of the time I just kind of guessed and it worked haha

Would it work with a sx350

Beef up that rear spring you'll have less lift up

How much watts are is the battery

Extend the swing arm like 6 in

Question could this power my yz80

Really looking forward to watching this, but the video motion just sucks too much. We just got a 3.6KWh 72V battery for our 8KW Suzuki project and I was hoping to learn things to apply. Sad...

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

video motion? like the motion of the camera? I’ve toned it way down in recent videos, never even realized I moved the camera so much until someone pointed it out to me. sorry this one wasn’t too helpful for your project, it sounds cool :( hoping my future videos can help!

@jameswyatt1304

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor Yep, the hand-held parts and my tired, aging eyes/brain just hurt from it. Even the helmet video is okay for me. Sorry for the "suck" because your content's great if I can deal with the video motion. This is the first of your videos I recall, but I've subbed in hopes. Great work and good to learn from the static shots, LOL. Oh, and watching further, you're using a similar battery to the one we got today! 72V, 50AH, 80A BMS and it's the largest battery I've owned. (I've worked w/larger on ships, but they were lead acid. This thing scares me.) We're welding a casing to hold it into the GS500F frame this weekend. It's a hefty chunk 'o Li! The SM200SP controller and hub motor can handle much more, so this battery may move to a Honda Ruckus project sometime in 2023 or so. Thanks for the reply and I'm looking forward to more.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@jameswyatt1304 keep me posted on that electric Ruckus, that’s a project i’ve always wanted to tackle since i was like 17 - sounds so fun.

Can u do this on a go cart? That would look awesome

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i’ll see what i can do

How tall are you? Thinking about building one of these but im 6’2”

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i’m about 6’3”ish, we fit surprisingly well actually haha

How fast does it go?

Just wondering about what was the range when you upgraded it like this I’m planning on getting one and was wondering the range

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i think i made it about 27 miles when i tested it!

@tateseley293

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor ok thank you

DOES IT COME WITH CHARGER AND HOW😊

How much is the kit gang?

can these parts work on different bikes? or does it only work on the sx500

@dirtz2122

Жыл бұрын

It depends on the other bikes I know for sure if will fit on the mx500, mx650

Why did you custom drill a new hole in the motor bro? Jw.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

That's so that the bolt can sit flush with the motor, otherwise I think it interferes when you try to mount it to the bike!

How tall r u bc i was thinking of getting one but im scared im too tall for it and my knees will be like way to uncomfortable

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

i’m just over 6’3”! It’s small but surprisingly comfy for tall people

What is the top speed with all the parts on ?

@eligosnick5806

6 ай бұрын

Experts in the field only know of a minimum operational speed. There is no top end....

are you guys from seattle ? we got like 10+ ppl in our group.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

yeah!! That’s sick dude. shoot me a message on IG if you want to organize a ride some time! IG is @loganandrewtaylor

With a Kelly or far Driver controller it won’t jump on take off. The Vevor controllers do that

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

100%, I swapped to a Kelly KVD in a video shortly after this and it made a world of difference - should have done that from the beginning.

@jaydenm7012

11 ай бұрын

What is the black thing you have in the battery that you heat up

@jaydenm7012

11 ай бұрын

What’s the black connector you have in the battery that you heat up it didn’t come with it

would be nice for you to add links to parts you used in this video

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

just pinned the comment with all the links!! Let me know if I forgot anything

Where is the link???????

Hi Logan. Please provide the link to the helmet you are wearing. Thanks

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Sure thing! I have a kinda moderately big head and wear a size large: amzn.to/3wRx8jG

@Mr69elco

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor Thanks bro! I recently modded my mx650 to 72v and that thing is insane, same as what you're experiencing 🙂

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

no way!! Congrats on the build, these things are so fun it’s crazy - definitely worth picking up a full face helmet lmao

do you need anythign to have this and ride it anywhere like i seea lot of youtube videos where they have this or the new modles and they and parts but like they never talk about the other side of this like if you need a drivers licence or anything like that cause it this this would be cool but i dont wanna buy anything and then cant ride it

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

that’s a great question - I can do a video on this, because the laws are a bit confusing. If you leave a Razor stock, it is legal to ride like a bike most places (but not all) but it depends on your state. That’s not legal advice, just what I’ve heard :)

@YLN_AGLET

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor thanks yea its hard to watch everyones videos of them haveing fun but never talk about the legal side about them cause it would be sick to ride them around where i live but i would just have to look up the laws about them in my state ig

nice job! how do you like the electronics and battery? safe as american made?

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

so far so good! The battery is a Lifepo4 so not as heat-prone as regular lipo (supposedly) and much less likely to cause a fire or something. Everything else has been working great, running at a true 72v, although i might recommend going for a slightly higher end controller - the touchiness of this one down low makes it a bit sketchy (as you could probably tell) but once you’re moving it’s all good.

@djdubz

Жыл бұрын

@@logan-taylor ty. appreciete the info. looking forward to more of your vids with your razor!

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much! next episode this weekend :)

Thick thighs save lives mate 😂

Not sure if you know this, but the batteries usually come from the factory almost dead.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

definitely - this one came surprisingly charged up, but I really should have charged it 100% before the test. I was too excited to ride :)

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

definitely - this one came surprisingly charged up, but I really should have charged it 100% before the test. I was too excited to ride :)

@fastlife1688

Жыл бұрын

@logan-taylor just figured I'd let ya know. I'm going through the rest of your videos now and see that you've come a long way. 😊 I started playing with these about 2 months ago tops. I now have 5 bikes and a electric mini go kart. I can relate to almost everything you're feeling in your videos. Brings me back to the first month of riding. I'm only on 48v but it rips wheelies just like your 72v. I soldered all my connections and I'm running my 48v controller at 60v. I need to make some videos of it and post em up.

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

dang you’ve got so many i’m jealous!! Definitely make some videos I’d love to check them out. Nothing quite like that first ride!

@bryson6122

Жыл бұрын

i have done something similar to him, wired everything in and it didn’t work and am wondering if it’s that the battery is dead?

Do big wheel kit .

@logan-taylor

Жыл бұрын

like bigger wheels or wider?

@jackfrosty79ify

Жыл бұрын

Taller 1s

@logan-taylor

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@@jackfrosty79ify I'm going as tall as I can the video after next so keep an eye out

Thanks for the information. But dude. learn how to hold a carmera, invest in some steadycam or something. Near unwatchable as you flick that thing around