More footage was found!! Yani Yan 2 compiled this video. Some of it even has sound from the game!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5qDtNxrhsm9YcY.html

@Lightblue2222

3 жыл бұрын

:)

@CommonSense-hy2sn

3 жыл бұрын

Beginning is 32X footage, rest is the Jaguar version :/ same music and sfx

@Lightblue2222

3 жыл бұрын

@@CommonSense-hy2sn dang.. so Yani Yan 2 tricked me? I wouldn't doubt the 32X could have the same music as Jag since it does have it's own sound sample chip, but on the other hand I might expect it to be different since most 32X games use the Genesis FM as well. Brutal Unleashed is an example of a 32X game that uses the 32X chip for music and sound effects without FM. So it's possible.. but yea if this Rayman is really just the Jaguar version then shame on Yani Yan 2..

@Myako

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@rustymixer2886

2 жыл бұрын

Great video

You are 100% the first to identify and showcase this footage. It’s an incredible find. I’m shocked this was out there and so darn happy you found it. That's unfortunally what it required though, sorting through hours of old tapes and footage and are seldom documented. We’ve known Rayman (32x) was deep into development since '95. Not sure why anyone would think it wasn’t. In fact, I never heard anyone mention that being the case. So what happened? In short, we don't know, but I'll give my opinion on it. Orignially, the game was slated for release on the Jag in Feb of '95. We see this notated in a few sources. The date is missed and a new one is set for June of '95. We learn at that time that multiple versions are now underway, but the 32X was started or at least is on schedule to wrap production and ship alongside the Jag in Jun of '95. That’s about when Sega dropped support for the 32X. Atari Power Entertainment reports at E3 that the game is seeing more delays and will be pushed back to September because the development team feels it needs further polish. So by then, developers knew Sega was no longer supporting anything, but the Saturn. Most games for other Sega hardware were canceled in mass in an effort to cut these developers' losses. For the most part, the games that released after this point were all published by Sega or a company that held a sweetheart deal with Sega. Even 3rd party games such as Blackthorne, T-mek, and Primal Rage were published by Sega. So in sort, Sega took the financial risk on some games that were close to complete or complete to generate some goodwill with consumers and dumped the rest. BTW, awesome job. You've been knocking it out of the park.

@PandaMoniumReviews

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a bunch Jenovi!!

Detective Pandamonium strikes again

There also appears to be some parallax scrolling going on in that footage that the other ports don’t have... interesting

I'm a simple man. I see a new PandaMonium video, I watch the new PandaMonium video.

After seeing what the 32x could do with tempo and chaotic, it doesn't surprise me that Rayman was gonna be on it.

Yeeeees, I get so happy when a new episode gets released

Had the 32X released earlier, it could have been so much more

I like the multi layered background in the 32X version.

What hooked me up is that background, it's much more advanced than what we got, it's multi-layer, more detailed, with what it seems to be a sort of fog, and it fits better with the swampy mood. I wonder if other backgrounds like this were scrapped to use a more simplified 2D background.

Who knows, the rom might show up one day, that Sonic 3 beta everyone thought was lost to time appeared out of nowhere, seeing mysterious stuff like this from the not that distant past is seriously cool though. 😁

@shamrice

3 жыл бұрын

So true. There's been Atari 2600 roms that have popped up after 20+ years of being lost.

@101Volts

2 жыл бұрын

To add to the discussion, I'm a Charlie Chan (1930s - 1940s movie series) fan. "Charlie Chan in Paris" (1935) was lost until 1970 or so, and there are more movies that were lost for longer than that. I kinda hope the last 4 missing Charlie Chan movies (movies 1, 3, 4, and 5) get found soon (if ever,) though; they haven't been seen since at least 1937. Then again, 1930s film degrades bad, and it doesn't take too long...

It seems that if that was indeed a 32X build, it was going to have way better parallax scrolling that any of the other versions of Rayman.

I am extremely proud of what old gamers have done on KZread these past 15 years. So much content has been made to preserve history. Thanks for this video

Wow...I think the 32X version looks better than all 3 (Jaguar, Saturn, and PlayStation). It's the parallax scrolling of the woods and their placement that really make it pop.

@wyleFTW

10 ай бұрын

It really could have been great, background looked good, 32x 2d is tight, I wonder what it would have sounded like

What a great find, Nick! I've been meaning to cover this game on my channel at one stage but felt whatever I said was saying what everyone else (such as yourself) have been saying. Interesting stuff for sure.

Ooh, I like this. I'm a sucker for any of those old-school E3 walkaround-type videos, and the gems you can find therein. My favorite demo disk of all time is even that one PS Underground disc with the tour of E3 2002 (or something) using the 360° camera so you could move your viewing angle around yourself using the Dual Shock :) Old-school E3 is just *the coolest,* and finding stuff like this - as brief and vague it might be - is exciting _as heck._ What an awesome little find! And thanks for linking to the Tronix video, too

Everyone noticed this planned port but didn't notice how damn creepy that full body suit is.

I would love to play Rayman on the 32x! Also one cool version is in on the GBA. Great video!

Whoa! this is amazing! awesome find dude

I can't believe this is the first time I've seen footage of rayman on the Sega 32X, killer job 👍. I would have loved to have rayman on my 32X back then. I do have to say the game looks amazing but I wish we could have heard how it sounds.

jag and saturn look cartoony, the 32x looks almost like it's a DK style 3D pre-rendered sprite. that looks amazing!!! the multi layer background is also a nice touch. hopefully someone leaks this so the game can be completed by dedicated fans.

@ianfisch7289

7 ай бұрын

I imagine it just looks that way because of VHS weirdness and compression. I really doubt they would have made unique character sprites for 32X

never seen someone this dedicated to the Sega Saturn. It always fascinated me as I grew up with A Genesis and started emulating ASAP.

I really love the depth of these reviews and deep dives. And really appreciate going to the trouble to make a video with this extra information.

Thanks for performing this digital detective work,. Your findings are fascinating as always.

Thank you so much for covering this. It's exciting how much unseen footage there is hidden inside long videos!

If Ubisoft released this for the 32X today I would still buy it.

@101Volts

2 жыл бұрын

I'm beginning to wonder how many people would buy previously unreleased games if they had a release decades later. Perhaps the numbers would be small, like 500 or 5,000 copies at a time, but it could be a different business venture now since retro gaming is now an appreciated thing (unlike from 2004 - 2006.)

@AlexvrbX

2 жыл бұрын

@@101Volts Companies like GameStop should get involved in publishing and selling new retro games (in addition to used titles). Work with both indie and large companies to release new original titles, finish and release unreleased titles, new ports (or re-ports), as well as "reprints" of rare games. The reprints won't be worth as much as originals, but it would allow retro gamers and collectors to get their hands on an affordable high quality officially licensed reproduction instead of a pirated repro. Oh, they could also translate and publish games never previously released outside of select regions (mainly Japan). Work with existing translation groups where fair agreements can be struck. Ah well... a man can dream.

Love these detective pieces man!

That‘s awesome! Now imagine a CD 32X version. I wonder how close that would have been to the Saturn version.

Keep up the good work, found your stuff through RetroRGB telling me to watch. This era of games is the most fascinating to me, I love that you're diving deep into the Saturn and what led up to it. Awesome stuff :)

Jenovi sent me here...automatically subbed! Great work!

@TheThisk

4 жыл бұрын

Ditto - love the channel, keep the reviews coming!

I love this channel, dude. I hope you keep it up 😁

Wow this is pretty cool!! Interesting piece of history!! Great video!👍

Amazing find! 32X was a 2D powerhouse! It would have been an excellent port. So interested in what the sounds would have been like. Judging by many 32X titles the music could have been part Genesis FM and part 32X sampling combined, and could have been unique from the Jaguar. As where sound FX could have likely been sampling equivalent to the Jag. It's crazy how developers were to scrap things like this into the trash.. Fast foward years later and it becomes very sought after.

@Lightblue2222

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh! I just did a search. Search "Rayman 32x all footages" 1 week ago someone posted more footage from the event and you can hear it!

@PandaMoniumReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lightblue2222 No way! I’ll see if I can find it

@Lightblue2222

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5qDtNxrhsm9YcY.html

i think 32X was going to be the best graphics version of Rayman 1, too bad it was cancelled

Nice catch panda! 10/10 videogame sleuthing skills 👍

That person playing the 32X version: “Hey this isn’t a Sonic game! 😠”

That’s awesome! Nice find!!

I feel like if rayman was on the 32X it would had looked awesome, cause most 32X games don't even take full advantage of the hardware, or just looks like slightly better genesis titles.

Great content!!! Subbed.

omg I thought I was hearing things... I hear ''Mass Appeal'' at 4:27!!! OMG that blew me away!!!

Great video sir.

Dude, the only other person I've heard even ADDRESS the 32X or 3DO versions was NitroRad, so props for gathering what info you could. 🏆

I don't think it was someone playing, but a demo loop showing some basics and visuals from the game. Hence why it suddenly loops back. There likely wasn't much more of a level beyond that point in that version of the game. I get the feeling if this version leaks some day it'll likely be very complete.

@pixelythegamer3260

4 жыл бұрын

For the Love of the Game I doubt that, the way the gameplay showed is 100 percent being played by someone, as the genesis 32x and Saturn games are all playable at the event

I was always skeptical of the 32X being able to run Rayman well as it has no fast 2D hardware of anykind. It neither has hardware sprites nor hardware scrolling, doing either of those tasks has to be performed by the CPU which is very demanding as it has to draw the entire screen whilst running game logic. This is why Pitfall on the 32X, whilst more colorful, runs at sub 30 FPS compared to the base Megadrive version's steady 60 FPS. Some games, like Knuckles Chaotix, split the 2D tasks between the Megadrive and 32X hardware. The Megadrive can scroll two playfields which Chaotix uses for the stage and the background, Chaotix even uses the MD's sprites to move rings around, the 32X is only used to draw the characters and enemies. This footage is fascinating, as it has unique backgrounds not seen anywhere else. The forground/stage is similair to the Jaguar version (Jaguar has an earlier, more greenish version of the forest tileset), but there are two overlapping background layers compared to the other versions 1. This makes it seem like Ubisoft went the Kolibri route and used the the 32X to do the stage and characters and tasked the Megadrive hardware to scroll the backgrounds, as the Megadrive's 512 color palette won't cut it for the PSX/Jaguar's art, they tried to get around this by creating unique backgrounds purely for the 32X version. Very likely that we're looking at a genuine 32X build here, real impressive for the hardware.

Hot damn, detective! Nice find.

Probably this Rayman 32X Prototype is a Tech Demo. I wish someone who had it would release it.

Jason T.E. Engwer? I used to argue with him on Prodigy (and AOL I think) message boards in 1994 about 3DO vs. Jaguar. He loved Jaguar.

@PandaMoniumReviews

2 жыл бұрын

I believe so! It’s really cool to have a viewer who was on those boards. Such an interesting time for the internet. Total shot in the dark, but you wouldn’t happen to have a way to contact him, would you? 😅😂

@retrobrahhh

2 жыл бұрын

@@PandaMoniumReviews last time i checked he was on Facebook, he's super religious, so just find the Jason Engwer, (Jason TE on AOL) with a million pictures of Jesus in his pics. He wouldn't know anything about Rayman 32x, those fanzines would just take public info and repackage it. The Atari news and info on AOL came from Don Thomas who worked at Atari and posted on the Jaguar AOL boards. There aren't any archives of this stuff because most of it was on the AOL video game boards.

The real reason why the 3do version was cancelled is according from moby games, it was cancelled due to technical issues

@PandaMoniumReviews

4 жыл бұрын

Pixel Placer That’s interesting to hear. If you have a link to the source, I’d certainly love to read up on that.

@pixelythegamer3260

4 жыл бұрын

PandaMonium Reviews Every U.S. Saturn Game www.mobygames.com/game/windowsmobile/rayman

Did the Jaguar version have the additional layer of parallax scrolling seen here? Playstation sure didn't have that. Looks very cool.

@PandaMoniumReviews

4 жыл бұрын

Kanky Dang It does look neat. For at least that level, no, I don’t believe it has parallax.

@analog_ape

4 жыл бұрын

@@PandaMoniumReviews appears like the PC version has optional "differential scrolling" that you can enable in graphics settings menu to get parallax backgrounds. Not sure whether it affects this level, though, none of the let's plays here seem to have it enabled.

@RayCarrot

4 жыл бұрын

Jaguar does not have parallax scrolling, but it does have foreground elements which appear, like flowers etc. PC is the only platform to have the option to enable it.

Dude, this is a great find! You oughta find a way to contact Did You Know Gaming about it.

I want to believe

There is also a port for 3do but it was cancelled for obvious reasons

@ViciousAlienKlown

3 жыл бұрын

Seems like a 3DO version would've been published but that console died not soon after the 32X.

Hm, interesting. I do wonder if that's actual 32X footage. Since we can't see a controller or console, we don't know if it's just another WIP build with a sign for the 32X version.

All versions were based on the Jaguar game. I had it on the Jag and it played great.

The 32X looks way better than the Jag version. Much better parallax scrolls. Even though the Atari Jag is 64-bit. Their math was off.. :P

Can you also please talk about Akira for Sega Genesis? I would like to see your take on it. The game is on Hidden Palace so you can review it.

Let me check Hidden Palace if they had it.

@retrocysper3709

3 жыл бұрын

Nope they don't have it. But they have the SNES one which is also Unreleased.

I think there's someone on Twitter I follow who has the 32x prototype...

@PandaMoniumReviews

Жыл бұрын

That’s incredible! Have they dumped it by chance?

@WhiteDingo79

Жыл бұрын

@@PandaMoniumReviews I don't think so, unfortunately. I believe she's keeping it for herself😭

@PandaMoniumReviews

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteDingo79 Oof, that is quite a shame. Hopefully she comes around for the sake of preservation.

@theobserver4214

2 ай бұрын

@@WhiteDingo79 The prototype should be dumped even if the files themselves are hoarded, just in case the cartridge dies

Could be on any platform. Just because the ad says 32x doesn't mean that this is running on the 32x.

@PandaMoniumReviews

4 жыл бұрын

TODESHAMMEL Have they done this at E3 expos before? I’m not disputing your point, just wondering if this has happened before.

@signorpaldoni

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it happened all the time sadly. I m not saying it is fake but it could very well be a video taken from a diff platform

@PandaMoniumReviews

4 жыл бұрын

Federico Bellucci Thanks for the heads up. The multiple written 1995 E3 reports I saw that mentioned this port of Rayman said they saw this demo at a 32X booth, as well as a different Rayman demo at the Saturn booth. I doubt it’s fake, but I appreciate you guys letting me know there’s a chance this isn’t actual 32X footage. I’ll look into this further.

@signorpaldoni

4 жыл бұрын

@@PandaMoniumReviews I was merely answering to your question, wether it already happened or not. I have no idea of the authenticity of this demo. It could very well be a real 32X demo, so cheers for looking it up for us too. I m sorry for my english , hope my message gets through.

@TODESHAMMEL

4 жыл бұрын

Same here, not blaming, just pointing out there is a possibility. Interesting footage never the less.

Maybe there was a game breaking bug

Can someone confirm that this was REALLY played on a 32X? It could have been a Jagaur/early Saturn version of the game and we don't see the gamepad. :-( I believe that is a true 32X version though, it's possible and there is a lot of evidence, that the game was in dev on 32X for some time...

@PandaMoniumReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, they never pan down to reveal what console it’s being played on, so all we have to truly trust its legitimacy is the 32X signage posted at this demo. I would wager it’s legit.

@MrRetrostage

2 жыл бұрын

@@PandaMoniumReviews yeah... Would be so cool to hear someone who was there or even had contact to the devs. But yes, 1995 was a VERY exciting year for the whole market: new consoles, tramsition from 2D to 3D, new players on the market like Sony, older that quietly disappear (Atari, Commodore,...). And 1995 was a hard year for a lot of 32X projects sadly.

Really hope it gets dumped someday. It looks really good as a 32X title.