As an athiest myself, Sanderson's religious Mormonism really has no reflection on my thoughts about him, it's his actions, his teachings, the demonstration of his character and morals within his books that clearly define his being, and based on what what I've read, he is worth admiring and a great role model.

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Really well said

@vanTersec

Жыл бұрын

A month later maybe, but also I have been catching things here and there in the Intentionally Blank podcast that, and this may be a stretch, that he and some of his friends are more like how my parents are Catholics, they go to church more as a social/community thing, they put a neglectable a amount of money in the basket and they are happy to call the church on their BS. It's like, there but nonconsequential most of the time.

@josephwebster2319

26 күн бұрын

​@@vanTerseche's actively in his deconstruction phase. Everyone has to take that at their own pace. And in their own way. Which for him would be writing.

What happened here was inevitable. When an Edgelord like Kehe meets a relentlessly positive person like Sanderson, clearly they aren't going to be able to see things on the same level.

@brionguthrie2061

6 ай бұрын

I think it’s entirely accurate, but I LOVE the description of “relentlessly positive”

I was enrolled in Sanderson’s class at BYU and I love Sanderson! He is a kind and passionate person who does his best and tries to always help others. He loves his family, his students, and his fans! Idk how anyone could speak so poorly of the guy!

@2ToRamble

7 ай бұрын

We are incredibly jealous - that must’ve been a great class!

I am not a Sanderson fan at all. In fact, I’ve complained about him on this channel. BUT this article was nuts. I don’t even agree with his criticism for the writing itself. I’m pretty sure this guy didn’t read Sanderson’s main works because there’s no way someone read Dalinar’s story and thought “yeah, this dude is a good guy, total hero material”

@lkay398

Жыл бұрын

The fact the journalist didn't go more into depth on the writing/plot and prose and ask more questions is baffling to me. He just decides Sanderson is objectively bad. You don't sell 20+ million books being objectively bad. My problem with trying to analyze prose is that it is mostly subjective. Yes technical quality and skill is measurable, but just because something has "good" prose doesn't mean it works for everybody. Simple prose/writing can be a skill itself.

@roseNthorn

Жыл бұрын

Elitists from San Francisco have a twisted warp of morality so could be he thought Dalinar was a super great guy.

@tiagodagostini

Жыл бұрын

They probably read Waximillion.... because that is a charcter made to be lancelot.. with guns.

This time listening to Brandon's response I finally saw the subtle burn to Jason. In the article Jason natters on about what it is to be a writer. Brandon gives a more succinct definition basically saying that good writing is finding the emotional truth of all people. Essentially that no person is boring to a real writer. Which boils down to Jason not being a real writer.

@annika3265

Жыл бұрын

I, for one, felt very strong emotions because of Jason's article. The rage keeps me warm at night and the second hand embarassment gives me quite the healthy parlor. It's actually a feat that he made me feel so much cause I don't care about Sanderson, I've never read his books, we're of different religions, I'm not American and he's old enough to be my father so our life experiences are on completely different levels, about the only thing we have in common is that being a full time author is my life dream too. This piece terrifies and disgusts me with how little common sense it shows, not even as an author, just as a human being. You get invited into someone's house, you spend time with their family and friends, you talk about their live's work and you write about it all like this? Where's the journalism objectivism? Where's the basic decency? "You're not at all like I expected, I don't like the genre you write in and if it was me I would never be overly personal with strangers like you are even if they claim to like my work BUT I respect you as a person and I'll try to understand how this all works out for you and write all about it in my article like purely scientific analisys" That's all Jason had to do, write things as they are, not try to twist it into something that would get him hate clicks, but hey he got what he wanted, hope it was worth it.

Austin: "Jason, I wish you the best." Richard: "I don't." Same

Okay little do most people know but there are tons and tons of very popular "Mormon" authors. Here's a brief list: Brandon Sanderson - Cosmere Brandon Mull - Fablehaven James Dashner- Maze Runner Stephenie Meyer - Twilight Orsen Scott Card - Ender's Game Brian McClellan - Powder Mage Glen Larson - Battlestar Galactica Dan Wells - I Am Not a Serial Killer Larry Correia - Monster Hunter International/ Saga of the Forgotten Warrior David Farland - Runelords series Tracy Hickman - Dragon Lance Chronicles Shannon Hale - Austenland This barely scratches the surface lol

Most slept on podcast about books I've run across on KZread. Quality, funny, insightful. Sounds cliche but it's true. Wish I could find a podcast like this for horror novels

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

You honor us! Thank you!

Rock's stew. Both times... one thing to add. I believe that Brandons comment about the graphic tee and sports jacket making him look "professorial" was sarcasm. I can imagine him saying that with a smirk and a twinkle in his eyes. Anyways, great discussion.

I love how Brandon responded. Way to take the high road.

This is the first article I've read that legitimately felt like the journalist just had it out for the successful straight white religious guy. As he mentions himself he had no 'angle.' there was no low hanging fruit to grab on to by the standards that this kind of journalism lives off of. Brandon Sanderson is just a simple chill nerd who likes to write and writes stories that people like. Simple. But you can't do click bait journalism from that. You had to 'pull a Disney' and some angle to get people talking ("This is our first gay character ever!!" -- said the 20th time), this article smells like that. No easy low hanging fruit angle to get clicks, no controversy that hasn't been dissolved with time and personal growth, and Sanderson doesn't have a DEI angle to latch onto either. He's just a guy who likes to write and write to a degree that the public loves him. And yup, doesn't make for clicky journalism, so the journalist had to grab onto whatever he could and he chose the religious angle whilst also making fun of Brandon's neurodivergence. Shameful. Another commenter said it somewhere but if Sanderson was LGTB or BIPOC or not religious, but had the same personality, and wrote the same exact books with the same level of fanbase hype then this would have a very differently bias'ed article "wow look at this author, one of the people; writing what they want! So bold, such deserved success." --- and I hate that thats where my mind goes when reading this article because I think the "woke" debate is stupid and immature - from both sides. But this article really feels it was written by someone with an agenda

Found you guys because of Sanderson. Love your channel and can’t wait to see it continue to grow! Reading Oathbringer now and am excited to watch your breakdown after I I finish. His writing style may be basic, but dang can he write some characters that jump off the page, action scenes that have you leaning up in your seat, etc. Anyone that got me to read two 1,000+ page books is a damn good writer to me!

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Cheers - thank you for the support!

Rocks Stew! You guys are defiantly my favourite KZread duo. Keep up the good work and funny banter!

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Brandon really upholding the Second Ideal with his response 👏👏

Theres definitely such thing as ‘doing too much’ in terms of prose and it can sometimes detract from the immersiveness of a story. A story being enjoyable and flowing well is part of what makes it feel like you’re really experiencing that world. Sanderson balances this perfectly

@2ToRamble

7 ай бұрын

Couldnt agree more!

Kehe just burned any future author interview opportunities. If he can attack someone as generous and genuine as Sanderson, no one is safe.

Rocks Stew. I’m genuinely shocked you guys aren’t way bigger. Your shorts are pithy, attention grabbing, and well edited. Your bookish insights are great and your reviews are well thought out and entertaining. You also just have high quality production and a recognizable “set”. If I had no idea what ur sub count was and had to place you based on other booktubers, i would guess around the 100k sub area. So again, I’m genuinely shocked you haven’t blown up yet. Maybe you need to try getting in on some Daniel Greene/Merphy Napier/Elliot Brooks collabs lol. But seriously, i was subbed to Man Carrying Thing when he was at like 8k subs and he’s absolutely blown up. Granted, his skits are a large part of that, but he started rapidly growing in the booktube space with his collaboration videos….so I’m gonna implore Daniel in the comments of all his new videos to get you guys on his channel. (And more than just ur bookshelf)

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Wow…thank you! This is one of those comments that will really stick with us. I feel like I can run through a brick wall after reading this 😮‍💨. We’re not quitting and comments like these keep us going - thanks again, glad you’re going to annoy the Goblin for us lol

@gandalfthegrey7146

Жыл бұрын

@@2ToRamble lol, no problem, you guys give great entertainment

I think when Jason wrote about sprinting towards an ending and having the only time Sanderson said anything meaningful, only 7 words but "that you aren't ready for them yet" was his attempt at satire/mocking the Stormlight archive and having Kaladin be told that he wasn't ready to hear the words that he needed to say. Kaladin then had to wait a long time (by words count) to find out what he needed to say. It is like Jason wanted to just spit as many words onto a page and attempt to be like Sanderson and ended up failing at it miserably. Edit: I think Jason got halfway WoK and gave up.

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t put this together ourselves but this makes sense, interesting thought! 🧐

There are so many angles he could have taken for this article. 1. Sanderson's effect on and predictions about the publishing industry, given the Kickstarter as well as his advocacy for newer writers through the deals he's made (or not made) with companies like Audible and Spotify, the congressional testimonial against mergers, the classes he teaches, the mentoring he so freely gives. 2. Sanderson's marketing and PR - especially how much time and effort he puts into connecting with fans: e.g., discussing theories of his magic systems at length with fans at cons, doing so many booktuber interviews, having multiple podcasts, etc. 3. On the LDS front, the many times he explores organized religion in his books, NOT as the keeper of absolute truth but as a powerful force that may cause harm or good, may share truth or conceal it - and how that is similar or different to how he sees organized religion in the real world, Mormonism in particular. 4. Why fantasy as a genre is so compelling to so many people, what is the deeper truth hidden within these made-up worlds, and why its fandom appears to be growing now. 5. Even simply a tongue-in-cheek instead of insulting: "I tried to dig up dirt on Sanderson but he infuriatingly turned out to actually be the thoroughly decent person he shows to the world."

Loved the video and did watch it to the end. The world is so much smaller if you can only appreciate creative works from people who have religious views you approve of. Imagine the pushback that would occur if he did this to a Jewish writer or a Muslim one. But because it's directed towards a Mormon writer Jason thought he could get away with his open bigotry. Thanks for calling him out on it and greatly enjoyed the dynamic you two have created. You earned a subscriber.

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and the support!!

i was waiting for a response from this channel. this article was ridiculous and when he took those quotes out of context i was at my tipping point. not every line an author writes is going to be literary gold, and they shouldn't be.

I watched to the end and enjoyed it. Thanks for an interesting discussion!

Sanderson knocked it out of the park with his response.

The article succeeded in making me go out and buy one of Sanderson's books. Hopefully I like it.

Was having a bowl of Rocks Stew, when I realized Brandon is a much better person that I would have been in this situation 😅

Why did I find this video - and this channel - just when I really, really need to go to bed? XD You guys are so entertaining, keep up the awesome work! Okay... Time to prep for a late night and finish watching this article read, hehe. ^^

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the awesome comment and for watching! Glad you found us (sorry about the sleep schedule 😆)

Lord--- I never laughed so hard at a podcast on books gives me a warmth just like trapped under plastic but deliciously goofy . . was drafting a Libro while having this in the background

Rock's stew. This video is the only way to get through experiencing that article. Thank you for your sacrifice in suffering through it.

Mormon here who was on my two year religious service when the musical, “The Book of Mormon: The Musical,” came out on broadway. We got so many questions about the musical, I broke mission rules and found as many KZread clips and stories I could. Matt Stone and Trey Parker are geniuses. They got belly laughs out of a Mormon missionary on his mission. They were asked if they were concerned about the LDS/Mormon church’s response. “Nah, they’ll be cool.” And cool they were. The Church took out a page in the playbill for the musical which said “you’ve seen the play, now read the book.” And “The Book of Mormon: the Musical will entertain you for an evening. The Book of Mormon will bless you for eternity.” Like just pure class.

@dinocollins720

7 ай бұрын

Love it! I'm a member as well!

I love your guys' bookshelves. Gideon the Ninth, some Brent Weeks, etc

I know I’m months late to the party, but Rocks Stew! Love you guys, you’re super entertaining.

Youre chemistry together has me laughing so often. Great video!

@2ToRamble

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much and thank you for watching!

Great video :) I'm craving Rocks Stew for some reason...

Rocks stew is far more complex and tasteful than this author's journalism. Seriously... I gave the cliff notes of this to my wife (who is not a Sanderson fan) and she was horrified by it

Great podcast, guys. I would like if you could react to Outside, the real answer Brandon writed about what the article evoke in him

ANother fantastic video! Thank you!

@2ToRamble

7 ай бұрын

Cheers!!

Sandow Rocks! You guys have an interesting relationship, which certainly makes discussing this article again much more interesting.

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Thankya!!

watched this whole thing yall funny had to sub😂

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Thank you !

I was on a plane and my head was exploding as I read it

@MrBINKYB00

Жыл бұрын

Ay! Nice to see you at this channel again!

Your roast of this article was hilarious 🤣

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching our ridiculousness 😁😂

Somewhere in the middle of the article the author talks about feeding his notes to an AI. This shocked me. How much of this final article was written by an AI? It's odd to me that he criticizes Sanderson's writing when he uses an AI for at least some of his writing. (Rock Stew 😀 )

@fedos

11 ай бұрын

The AI didn't write bits of the article. It created transcriptions ol and summaries of his audio recordings.

Sando Rocks or Rock Stew? Great video!

Sanderson: *invites a journalist to his home and to try out his expensive home theater Jason: "This weird Mormon guy took me into his basement and forced me to watch Hugh Jackman until I cried!" 🤣

It sounds like Jason didn't want to go to Utah and he partially took it out on Sanderson. I definitely think he wanted to get Sanderson riled up to try to tear down the "good Mormon" persona. I looked at the list of Jason's articles over the past 2 years and he published 10+ in 2021 and 2022, each year. However, the Sanderson hit piece has been his only article this year (Late Nov 2023). Final note: I'm wondering if he thought the controversy over the article would be a positive for WIRED & his career and then it actually hurt him, instead.

Also late to this and didn't see it but sanderson said he wears the blazer to look more like a professor. Which he is. He teaches at byu

Talking of author conventions - Philip Jose Farmer who died in 2009, they still hold conventions in his honor.

Rock’s stew man what a fun watch. Keep it up guys love the content🤞🏽

@2ToRamble

11 ай бұрын

Thankyou!

Thank you for getting into this. I’ve been watching several of these and this was a good way to discover your channel. About prose-it drives me crazy when professionals , Jason in this case, misuse the term “prose.” EVERY book has prose, so does every tweet. “Prose” is not interchangeable with “lyrical.” Beyond a basic definitional problem, Jason does not understand that the job of prose is to render the project of a work in the manner most appropriate to the author’s intent for that work. Robin Hobb writes lyrical prose because that is the style best suited to the storytelling of the ROTE. Sanderson writes with packed, efficient prose because that is what suits his vision of the Cosmere. Just imagine how long his books would be if he wrote like Hobb! Prose must, above all things, be written to purpose and Sanderson does that with aplomb. About Jason, I think it’s clear from this bullying, scrambled, wreck of an article that Jason is not well. And I mean that. He needs serious, genuine, medical help. My question is WHERE THE HELL WERE THE EDITORS!!? The quality of this article is an embarrassment to the long established tradition of Wired. I was a subscriber to Wired from the third issue, back when each issue still came with a floppy disc of software. How can this publication have gone this wrong? There is absolutely no excuse and it has certainly undermined my trust in Wired in general. This article isn’t Jason’s fault. The buck stops with the editor who read it and signed off. For that person I have no mercy.

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Very thought provoking comment - thank you for this. We couldn’t agree more with your insight on prose. This whole comment should be a video on its own! Thanks very much for watching us and commenting !

@Stray7

Жыл бұрын

Where are the editors? Well, Jason IS a "Senior Editor" at Wired. I'd bet this never got a second look from anyone else at the Wired offices.

Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor's stew is the best, i am glad you noticed

Hit piece. A chance to write some rage bait and rip Sanderson for being Mormon. San Francisco recipe for a promotion.

Should I rewatch every video after this one thinking “what would have Richard said if not for Jason”?

@2ToRamble

5 ай бұрын

😂

Rocks Stew!

Sando rocks... rocks stew.... I'm here 😅

Naming kids reminds me of this from the episode of Tika to ride from Red Dwarf. Rimmer - JFK as in the airport Lister - who would be stupid enough to name their kid after an airport? Rimmer was trying to explain to Lister who JFK was.

I love the use of juxtaposition in Sanderson's response.

Why not both sandow rocks and rocks stew

Rocks stew!

This article reminds me of the musical Hamilton, when Aaron Burr is frustrated that Hamilton "writes like he is running out of time"... Patrick Rothfus got sick after writting five George RR Martin wrote 29 Sanderson wrote THE OTHER 51!!!

Rock's Stew

Rocksstew!

I have zero knowledge about things and events in the US, but two things I did learn with all this drama 1. Lots of people on the internet are filled with vitriol towards Sanderson and his writing. A lot of both, people and vitriol. Didn't expect that. 2. I did learn from people who identify as LGBTQ+ about the mormon church that gets donation from Sanderson and how they have actively been trying to suppress rights of trans people. And I do not have knowledge of LDS or any of their activity so I did give benefit of doubt to Sanderson as his writing to me has never come across as hateful or suppressive to certain groups of people be it religious or people with certain sexual orientation. But it did make me feel rather queasy about what Sanderson's thoughts are and I would have really appreciated the author of that article go into details such as that, rather than outright mocking mormonism. ROCKSTEW as always. Love the channel, read the first law trilogy faster.

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Rockstew!!! Thanks for watching and YES - would’ve loved if the article dove into ‘separating the art from the artist’ and exploring how one’s religious beliefs could bleed into their writing. The article was too biased for us to take any of that potential commentary seriously though, so a different tone would’ve been needed for sure. Appreciate the comment! (Also will read First Law as fast as we can lol)

@thesmilingtitan

Жыл бұрын

You should go on to Sanderson's subreddit. Also the AMA that happened 8 months ago. He does accept he needed learning regarding LGBTQ issues and is always open to learning. I'm an atheist but Brando Sando is someone I highly admire for his ability to keep educating himself and loves everyone.

@lkay398

Жыл бұрын

@@thesmilingtitan One thing that bothers me is that people don't do research. Yes Sanderson is a mormon, and mormons in general often believe some weird stuff especially about LGBTQ people. But not every mormon agrees with everything the church says. Sanderson has very recently spoken about how he has changed views on LGBTQ people and discussed needing to learn and improve, and has used LGBTQ characters in his books. By mormon standards, he is ridiculously progressive. Also, he personally (as far as we know) doesn't go out and harm individuals. So who am I, some rando on the internet, to make sweeping judgements about his character?

Sando rocks rocks stew! Make longer videos!

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

🫡

Rock stew??? Was this what they wanted. Very much enjoyed this whole video

Rock Stu baby

Rock's stew!

People wonder why main stream news is dying and lost all credibility

Rock's stew... Sando Rocks!

Just a quick counter-comment about wheel of time: From what I've learned Sanderson created almost all of the books he wrote in the series from scratch. Robert Jordan had only one completed writing, which became the epilogue of the series. Everything else was of course influenced by notes, research, and the team of people supporting Sanderson including Jordan's wife, but the writing itself was Sanderson's. I don't have a link, but in one of Sanderson's podcasts, he addresses this question and states that he does feel he has an ownership stake in the WoT series.

Who wrote this, 🤔 It sounds like a butt hurt person But I really love you guys, keep doing your amazing work ❤

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

Always appreciate your comments thank you greatly 🙏

The jealousy is palpable

Sando Rocks / Rock Stew

Rocks stu

Rocks stew

The spirit of fantasy is to create loyal Bolsheviks; true believers in the humanists cause and unflinching sadists who can draw out pain from even the most unflinching traitor to the cause. Rocks stew.

This article tried to perhaps cancel Sanderson and instead just did the opposite really …

Rocks Stew

Sando rock with rock’s stew!

Rock's Stew! Based on what Jason says about people naming their kids after Cosmere characters, I think he's lying about knowing Kaladin from Adolin. That said, he's right to hate The Greatest Showman.

Rock’s stew

Rock Stew. Also, next time Sanderson let's a Sadeas stay over he must also have an Adolin there for backup. 😂

@2ToRamble

10 ай бұрын

😆

Hey! Don’t I’ll-wish the WoT show. I’m really hopeful now that they have more time for post production and they don’t have COVID restrictions 🥺 I’m someone who actually discovered Sanderson via the Wheel of Time (which is my favorite series of all time)

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

We’re on a journey right now where I (Austin) am reading each book for the first time and Richard is rereading each - we’re going to do a review on each and every one - can’t wait to read! 🤌

@RiseeRee

Жыл бұрын

@@2ToRamble Enjoy your journey! I do think WoT is best when you have someone who already read the series there to help lol. Also I did watch the whole thing, so “Rocks Stew” 😉

Would not be surprised if this wasn’t done on purpose by his pin team. Makes sense to me. Because I was ready to fight the guy after reading the article

@luisquintanilla1694

10 ай бұрын

was looking for this comment. someone talks s**t about my wife and family .......

👍👍

Zuppa di sassi - Rocks stew

Rock's stew 🍲 🎉

Rocks stew? Sando rocks? Whichever you prefer. I'm still here

@2ToRamble

Жыл бұрын

🥂

journalistic ethics is something of the past.

Apparently, he was really nice to Brandon's face- I'm guessing there was some kind of unsuccessful pass in there somewhere, given how bitter this article is- but, either way, Jason might as well be in the next round of layoffs at Wired, because no one is ever going to open up/trust him in an article, again.

There's difference between easy to read and repetitive overly simple prose. I read Red Rising and The Final Empire the same time, Red Rising doesnt have more complicated prose, but it felt much less repetitive than The Final Empire.

Sando Rocks Stew

Rock stew

Rock stews!

Rocks stew? Sando Rocks? Richard is the best?

Rock`s stew!

Rocks Stew 🍲❤️

Rocks stew.

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Sandorockstew 🤑

Just want to point out, the reason "She felt a feeling of dread," is a bad sentence is because it's repetitive. The corrected sentence would be closer to: "She felt dread." Honestly the sentence is guilty of telling not showing, as well. Which means it can't be easily saved 😅 But that's the issue Also also ... that article writer is an asshole.

sando rocks stew