As always, still today, the main problem of the orange pi 5 is the lack of software support. All of that power just wasted and it's such a shame

@luigiprovencher8888

Ай бұрын

Because it's a knock off and the user should know how to use the software that is available but you're right that it does suck not being able to have more desktops or distro's available though.

@adrianhendy

Ай бұрын

@@luigiprovencher8888 it's not a knock off. Totally different SoC RK chips are really good, just Linux support isn't as good as the Broadcom SoC in the Pi 5

@j.v.b.4040

Ай бұрын

Collabora is still working on mainline linux kernel support for everything

@erikkarsies4851

Ай бұрын

Don't forget also that the price is a lot higher than the traditional SBC market. That power is relative and for the price point there are better options that support a lot more than both Pi's

@SmashCatRandom

Ай бұрын

Exactly - that's why I stick with the RPi boards. The Chinese manufacturers throwing out the alternatives have zero interest in supporting them with drivers, or software updates. They just care about selling the hardware, and then selling new hardware to replace it a few months later. When the RPi is getting literally 10 times the framerate, it's obvious that the Orange Pi is only useful as a server, at best.

Linux 6.10 will have mainline kernel gpu support for rk3588 with the addition of the new panthor mali drm driver, which will make it work with the mesa panfrost opengl driver. It might be a good idea to compare the performance of that opengl driver when the 6.10 kernel is out. Also vulkan support wise, panvk(wip mesa mali vulkan driver) is still being actively developed by collabora

Would have been interesting to also see a Intel N100 miniPC running Ubuntu next to it also, because prisewise they don't differ much.

Can confirm the orange pi 5 smokes the raspberry pi 5 in Android but not in Linux.

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

What Android are you using? I have just re-downloaded Orange Pi OS droid and applied the update

@JenitzTimeline

3 күн бұрын

@@leepspvideo video playback on browser is totally terrible.

Great video.. comparison is done great.. maybe orange pi is not meant for linux gaming.. pi 5 rocks! However was shocked to see yt performance on the orange pi ! Raspberry Pi can't beat that! Android gaming is better on orange pi I suppose.. can't wait for u to compare them too.. Thanks, Great video, Pradyot

Nice comparison. I'm looking forward to seeing the Android video now. It would be helpful if the system background for the different devices were set to the manufacturers' logos for easier identification.

Board makers need to take better advantage of the work Collabora is doing on the Linux kernel for the Rk3588. Collabora’s images are only for the Rock5B but they’ve done great work in getting a ton of hardware functionality enabled and supported and the fact that Radxa (and others) are still only shipping boards and releasing OS images with kernel 5.10 kind of sucks.

RK3588 crushes the Pi 5 for PS2 Emulation (& most other systems I've tried.) The new RK3588 kernel only makes this lead even greater. (see my how good is RK3588 PS2 Emulation video for many examples that fail badly on Pi5) With ALL these ARM boards, you MUST know the Emulator and its settings in depth to get many working. Getting "The Getaway (@ 1080p) & Burnout 3" working on RK3588 took me days of testing.

@smashedlegends

Ай бұрын

lol no. Raspberry 5 is way faster in everything. Look at this video.

@PiManiac

Ай бұрын

@@smashedlegends Hmm not sure your even serious here however, Pi 5 Its good for some things, just weak for Emulation. (& i'm as sad about that as the rest of the community) Ubuntu (ARM) is also always a bad choice for Emulation testing. Like Lee even states @ 7:47 ANDROID is the better option for both. (the RK3588 still wins however) Check out my own RK3588 Android PS2 tests with games not yet seen running on Pi 5 with any O/S.

It's incorrect to say that "RK3588 is not as well supported under Linux than Raspberry Pi". RK3588 describes the SOC (System On a Chip) and is a quad-core ARM Cortex-A76 + quad-core ARM Cortex-A55. The BCM2712 SOC on a Pi 5 is a quad core ARM Cortex-A76, ultimately similar architectures. The fact is that a lot of performance is gained by having properly optimised kernels and the fact is that it's easier to build a distro that supports one or two Raspberry Pi models as opposed to many Orange Pi models - plus I suspect a lot more care and attention goes into building Raspberry Pi distros due to bigger communities than Orange Pi. I have a Gentoo Linux build for the RPi 5 but not yet one for the OPi 5 - if and when I get two as identical as possible builds for both systems, that would be a good baseline to test on.

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Fair enough

Man, I have been waiting for a true Raspberry pi 5 vs Orange pi 5 battle. It's almost like there is a Raspberry pi embargo on a head to head comparison unless the RP5 is favored. To date, no major youtuber has performed a true unbiased head to head PI 5 review and comparison to see which one is best from a hardware performance stand point. But it still may not be that fare because RPi has more software support.

Isn't Rockchip getting new OpenGL drivers probably sometime in July?

I've been waiting and skipping every raspberry pi video for months just waiting for a video about the orange pi, and finally here it is

@michaellearningstuff7732

Ай бұрын

Same here, orange pi 5 gang

@noahheninger

Ай бұрын

Not a lot of good Orange Pi content out there unfortunately.

@michaellearningstuff7732

Ай бұрын

@@noahheninger because this is much less supported hardware. Unfortunately

I really like that you chose non violent games for your demos 👍

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Doom 3 is in my next video. Might want to skip that one.

Orange is super quick versus Rpi 5 until you start trying to do 3d hardware acceleration in video games, and that’s just because the software is still under development.

I've been testing this on the Orange Pi 5 today. KZread 4k 60 playback is very good, with a fair few dropped frames at the start but very few from then on, as long as you don't move the mouse. WebGL Aquarium shows very impressive results. I was getting a locked 60fps with 1000 fish and 30fps with 5000. Even 10000 was still getting around 17. The inbuilt video player could not play most of the videos that I threw at it and also came up with repeated errors regarding a missing MP4 encoder. I hope that we can get a fully functioning Kodi soon. Lots more testing to do. It was reported a couple of weeks or so back on CNXSoft that Vulkan will not come to the Orange Pi 5 in Linux until the end of the year, 2 years since it's introduction.

So, I'm building a Laptop-Dock for DeX on my Samsung Z-Fold 5 with parts of old laptops I have laying around. I'm planning on having a Raspberry Pi 5 (8GB) as a second compute unit, when I am not using the Z-Fold (or using the Z-Fold somehow else...) for gaming (emulation, old and newish games), navigating and streaming the internet, do some work, the usual stuff... But I was wondering if there was other (better?) options than the Raspberry Pi 5, like the Orange Pi 5 (Pro?), or Banana Pi, or a mini-pc stripped down from it's case? Thanks, and keep the good and interesting videos up!!

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

I mostly use the Raspberry Pi 5 even though the Orange Pi is more powerful. If you ever get an issue or want to try something new you have so many more choices with Raspberry Pi. If it was purely down to emulation the Orange Pi does perform better on later consoles particularly GameCube Wii and PS2.

Lee video idea for late 2024: pi4 vs some risc v sbc like lichee pi 4a or others. Risc has problems but is on fire

For gaming (especially PS2), you need to switch the GLES blobs. Panfork isn't performant in PS2 emulation.

Before, the selling point of Orange Pi was that it was cheaper than a Raspberry Pi, never mind that you'll be living in the frontier, with no support whatsoever. These days, with the price, I'd rather get an N100 mini pc. It's cheaper.

I wouldn't mind have either board.

RK3588 is also far more power efficient as it's on an 8nm node. Pi 5 on the other hand is on a 16nm node.

youtube-wise, OPI5 does h264, h265 and VP9 in HW, whereas RPI5 does only h265 (HEVC) in HW, the rest in SW.

Which of the two do you indicate to install Windows xp? Which is easy to install, please

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

None of them. Works well on M1 MacBook Windows XP on an M1 MacBook kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpqj1qmQoZbAZtI.html I tried upgrading to xp in this video can I upgrade Windows 98 to XP.? Orange Pi 5 RK3588S. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5qfxMSxptC6dqw.html 95 and 98 are achievable windows 95 and 98 on Raspberry Pi 5 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnejx696mrG0YcY.html Windows 98SE setup Raspberry Pi 4 Dosbox Pure. Lakka Retroarch. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mX91sZNsfKXUm8Y.html Windows 95 setup Raspberry Pi 4 Dosbox Pure. Lakka Retroarch. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gHuXsLeQY6_Mc8Y.html Windows 11 with Windows 98 on a Raspberry Pi 5 NVMe kzread.infovoV5oL1KRN4?feature=share

@diegodias8823

18 күн бұрын

@@leepspvideo I wanted to install Windows xp on raspberry pi 5. I wanted to make sure it will work

Dropping a lot more at 4k60 than the good ol' Nvidia Shield, but more flexibillity on the systems shown here.

the only problem with Orange is: lack of proper software. Hardware is AMAZING but the software keeps it on the bottom. amen

For the record, that VK attempt on the OPI5 at 8:49 is yet another SW renderer, just passing via VK -- llvmpipe device is a SW impl. of VK and GL.

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Yes, it didn’t have another option for Vulkan

there is a new orange pi 5 which is the "pro" only difference is io and ddr5 ram other thing is that you should try android on both to see max power of each

🙋

Not sure it's fair to judge Orange Pi gaming just by playing emulated games. Would be interesting to see native Linux games on both devices, and Steam games. Portal 2 runs amazingly on my OP5.

Been left totally scratching my head over the massive drop in performance you saw with this new build.. while I'm seeing my NanoPi R6c, on Ubuntu Minotaur, trash the pi5. Early days still for Numbat.. hopefully panfrost just needs a tweak.

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Did you try the emulators? Video was definitely better on Orange Pi

@KineticEgg

Ай бұрын

@@leepspvideo Video has always been exceptional on the RK3588S boards I have.. 4k playback has been great.. As for Emulators, they all run really well. Sad we'll never get Vulkan support for Linux on them.. Did a fresh build of both Dolphin and PPSSPP over the weekend and they run like a dream (well for what the hardware is). If I go by the video results my Anbernic RG35XX-H(1.5Ghz H700) handheld runs PPSSPP better than Numbat currently.. lol 🖖

Not a good review or comparison many missing factors

How much does the orange pi cost?

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Links in the description. Have a playlist on Orange Pi. The base model is very good value. kzread.info/head/PLMJAjiTgBtFn7JSmTE73mj9u_r_6ijuqj&si=yV0O1PqtC-Y0pcJv

ur emulator settings r far too off to yield any comparison results. in all orange pi ps2 gaming results, it out performs the raspberry pi 5 even on the more demanding games within linux. where the raspi 5 would stutter. u should also try using armbian jammy on the orange pi 5. ubuntu is the worst distro to use for either board and is a resource hog. even on the raspi 5 u used the wrong video grpahix driver with pipeline. i have over several hundred videos and instances that would conclude the same as familiar with ps2 gaming between the 2 would also admit the same. the rk3588 is much better than the raspi 5 for gaming

So that's why raspberry pi 5 is. Better and difference between them is the lag?

@leepspvideo

10 күн бұрын

As I mentioned in the video. It’s the reverse with Android. Raspberry Pi has much better software support overall

@Respect7h8

10 күн бұрын

@@leepspvideo thanks

Are you using SD card?

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Nvme

The issue here is that the linux support for the Orange PI 5 is still not good enough, I bet the android versions will beat the raspberry PI 5

@leepspvideo

28 күн бұрын

It does

Thanks Lee for another “Battle of the Century “‘…well at least this month…😊! If only both platforms had Apple’s software support…😢! The slow motion “Dave Mirror “ is how I would want to ride that corse while wrapped in bubble wrap to absorb the shock of my body contacting all the nice soft concrete…😂! Have a great day!

Orange Pi 5 Plus just murders the Raspberry Pi 5 in multi-core

@Volker-Dirr

Ай бұрын

The problem is, that most applications can't use multi-cores. Most applications use only a single core. It's a bit like recommending a bus to a default family. Yes, a bus can carry much more people. But most families haven't got so many people that need to drive to the same location. That is why most families(gusy) buys only a small car(computer) with 4-5 seats (cores) and not a bus with 16 seats (cores) or more.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Ай бұрын

@@Volker-Dirr That is complete rubbish. Multi-core CPUs started to come out around 2006 and, sure, it took a while for developers to catch up - but that is almost 20 years ago now and I'd argue that the Open Source world took the lead in embracing both 64-bit CPUs and multi-core CPUs first. I believe some commercial applications like Microsoft Outlook are still single threaded but those are the exception now, rather than the rule - and if you still use Microsoft's rubbish then more fool you anyway.

@Volker-Dirr

Ай бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Multi Core has more or less nothing to do with Microsoft nor Open Source nor 64 bit. Looks like you don't know all that terms. Most applications use single core only. Just have a look into all the source codes or FAQ of software projects. For example since this video is also about software emulator Dolphin, maybe just read the Dolphin FAQ and you will see, that [quote] "Dolphin is a dual core application that relies upon IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and clockspeed for performance. Additional cores will not make Dolphin go any faster, though an "extra" core that Dolphin isn’t using may help slightly by keeping background tasks from using the same cores as Dolphin.". [/quote] I can quote similar stuff from a lot of other projects.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Ай бұрын

@@Volker-Dirr "Multi Core has more or less nothing to do with Microsoft nor Open Source nor 64 bit." Why are you putting words into my mouth and then arguing against them? I said that Outlook is an example of a single threaded application, nothing more than that. "Looks like you don't know all that terms." Looks more like you're trying to make a "graceful retreat" from being wrong. "Most applications use single core only." No, that is wrong. "Just have a look into all the source codes or FAQ of software projects." Why would I look at "all the source codes"? "For example since this video is also about software emulator Dolphin, maybe just read the Dolphin FAQ and you will see, that [quote] "Dolphin is a dual core application that relies upon IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and clockspeed for performance." Yes, it's supports multi-core, dual core is multi-core. You just proved yourself wrong. "Additional cores will not make Dolphin go any faster, though an "extra" core that Dolphin isn’t using may help slightly by keeping background tasks from using the same cores as Dolphin." Yes, but it still supports multiple (i.e. 2 cores). That's the definition of multi-core, whether or not it supports 4 cores or more. You're wrong and you've just admitted it.

@kiodiekin

Ай бұрын

@@Volker-Dirr the opi5 out performs the raspi 5.

Why say it is not dropping frames Isn't it dropping 16 frames? kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYufycyberyofrQ.html

@leepspvideo

Ай бұрын

Stats for nerds often drops frames at the beginning then it stabilises

cool, seems like i can finally dust off my orange pi now. instead of letting it just do server things