I peacefully protested at the capital on the 6th. I broke no laws whatsoever and am in no way a radical. I watched the media practically ignore the violence from the left this past year because it was "mostly peaceful". Many went out of their way to excuse the behavior of the rioting, looting, violent individuals. Most of us at the capital were peaceful. The violent individuals should be punished fully by the law. I'm so so very tired of the double standards. Prominent figures have stated that people like myself need "reprogramming" and even our children taken away from us. The hypocrisy is absolutely absurd! How do people not see this?

@drummerboy737

3 жыл бұрын

@@kermitfrog593 yes yes keep perpetuating the lies.

@lawrenceludlow5521

3 жыл бұрын

Peterson seems oblivious to it. I don't know what is the matter with him.

@drummerboy737

3 жыл бұрын

@@lawrenceludlow5521 maybe he warned you what the matter was with him.

@drummerboy737

3 жыл бұрын

@@kermitfrog593 the arguments are clear. Manslaughter and individual crimes do not justify murder of innocent people. Can you justify abortion? Can you justify killings in the inner city? No. Lol. Now, if you are at risk of being enslaved by a tyrannixal government then peaceful protesting is warranted. What is your argument against the protests at the capital? How is any of that tied to Donald Trump? Is there room in your estimate for people who don't agree with court systems that don't even open a room to eve hear evidence for fraud and also do not trust Donald Trump? No. Of course because reductionism is in fashion and Jordan Peterson is the bastion of all reason.

@christian23273

3 жыл бұрын

@@issac7787 The capital violence was wrong. The BLM violence was wrong. Most of us see that. However, the media and many in government praised the BLM protesting and even encouraged it yet people at the capital were somehow all "white supremacists". Seems odd because I met wonderful people of many races while in DC to protest who felt the same way I do. That is worth thinking about no matter how you identify politically. Do you ever stop and think who is mostly to blame for this division? Most of us are reasonable people and are willing to listen to others opinions. Image if we didn't dismiss a person's entire opinion by calling them some name or saying far right or far left. We are ALL Americans and I think we could heal and solve so many problems if we stopped labeling and fighting amongst each other.

I feel Douglas spoke for all of us when he said "I missed you".

@64kdawg

3 жыл бұрын

Yes🙏

@Soul-my1sk

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he absolutely did!

@TomasStavik

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. He did.

@imeleventeen

3 жыл бұрын

@The Ancient Ones is this some high Iq joke I’m not understanding or are you lost?

@LaidbakZak

3 жыл бұрын

@The Ancient Ones what is this even a reply to?

I've heard Douglas Murray speak on forgiveness in many of his interviews, and I think only now, after hearing it again, do I realize it's vital importance. It took several times of hearing it for me to finally understand. I do hope he writes more on the subject and gives listeners and readers concrete ways of incorporating forgiveness into our lives. It is a skill that must be learned and practiced. It does not come naturally, and for many public figures these days it is looked upon as weak.

@devilsoffspring5519

2 жыл бұрын

Forgiveness can be useful, sometimes noble, but can also be weak. It "covers all bases" in that regard. Forgive once, shoot twice :)

@williamwhitten7820

2 жыл бұрын

Both Murray and Peterson go totally overboard feeding on each others frenzy as they pound harder and harder on their personal dislike of Donald Trump. It was a despicable display of conjoined madness by the two. Their biases shine bright as demonic klieg lights as the two almost catch on fire by the end of their blithering rant.

MARK TWAIN said, IT’S EASIER TO FOOL PEOPLE THEN IT IS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THEY’VE BEEN FOOLED. He was speaking to the human condition.

When Jordan said he'd had a lot of his bravery beaten out of him, that hurt. But the man has done far more than anyone could reasonably expect: the onus is on us now

@redcenturion88

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, buckles under pressure after lecturing to people about standing up and telling the truth.

@jessicalee-botes1107

3 жыл бұрын

Is this why he didnt ask matthew McConaughey about getting raped twice and why he isnt talking about the crazy authoritarian actions of government worldwide in handling of virus ushering in the great reset ....

@charlesgibbins

3 жыл бұрын

You can tell, he was telling the truth

@gbiota1

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesgibbins yeah and he really proved it throughout the video. Him strawmanning the trump position really had me disappointed. Trump doesnt have to be the only person with virtue, pence and others just had to cave under pressure, which is exactly what he said he was doing for himself.

@nbinghi

3 жыл бұрын

And beaten out by whom? THE LEFT.

Great conversation. One thing to consider is that a lot of people legitimately voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 due to his policy and due to their distaste of the Democrat's policies. And since Trump is not a typical politician, he was willing to do many important things (like take on China with trade) that other politicians will not due (both Dem and Rep). It's not fair to say people only did it as a middle finger to the left because it's not true. You also must understand the complete distrust many people have for the media in America..... We will watch a press conference or read about a policy..... And then get something completely different from the media. They are blatantly deceptive and manipulative. It can make it VERY hard to figure out the truth sometimes. Especially with something as complicated as election fraud in an election where ~160 million people voted and each state has different voter laws and procedures.

@AprilDawn555

3 жыл бұрын

Those two are high on my list of public thinkers that I truly appreciate, but I don’t think they’ve examined all of the available information on this. There seems to be compromised individuals at all levels of our government. After this year, I see clearly that our institutions have been corrupted.

@24secondsperframe68

3 жыл бұрын

Even these two still operate with a cartoon version of Trump in their heads thanks to the "eye of Sauron"...which is disappointing. A blind spot on their part or a conscious decision to retain a minimal level of social credit in mainstream society? Who knows. At least they covered the riots - but didn't really differentiate the ratio of severity enough from the Capitol Hill farce - which was nowhere near the order of insurrection. If that had been an attempt at insurrection it would have actually looked like one. I shared this episode on FB etc at the start. Unshared it at the end. Pretty cul-de-sac stuff, certainly for Jordan.

@anangrycat86

3 жыл бұрын

@@24secondsperframe68 you don't. I thought they explained the whole Trump era perfectly. Made more sense than I hear on the mainstream.

@BBStyles777

3 жыл бұрын

My comment was erased by KZread. Another reason is due to the 2008-2016 administration in the ME, which created displaced ppl (re fu gees ) and such groups as IS is among other. The new administration already announced we are going back in, great (not).

@acloserlook5823

3 жыл бұрын

@@SN00PICUS not when it suits them, when it INVOLVES them. They both understand the breathless and dishonest advocacy of the left by the media when it's focused on them, but not where it concerns Trump.

Two men that have kept my world tethered more times than I can count. I only wish Hitchens would have stayed with us a little longer. The nonsensical, directionless, silly conversations I have with my daughter are a consequence of you two. Very nice to have you back Jordan you had a legion of cynics checking health updates and ready to scrap in parking lots for you.💪🏼 Douglas, The Madness of Crowds is brilliant! When I saw the chapter titles I knew I was holding a minefield that only you could traverse. Bravo man 😅 you and maybe Keanu Reeves are the only ones that could pull off a deep dive right into their motherboards. Be safe gentlemen, a pleasure to hear you two talking again.

So glad to see this good man regaining his health❤️

Every episode Jordan's voice sounds better and better! So glad to see him doing well. Edit: Not just his voice but his overall energy and sharpness is worlds apart from his first interview back with his daughter.

@brandonwilson8146

3 жыл бұрын

He seems to be getting progressively better visibly as well

@peacedog315

3 жыл бұрын

It reminded me of when I use to have a hangover. Those anti depressants are the f in scourge for most. I won't say people because I dont know if I'm still allowed to call us that.

@randomlady6899

3 жыл бұрын

I see it too. Fills my heart with joy.🙏

@ride4lifecbr

3 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to hear his analysis on how well the Wim Hof breathing method worked for him!

@tjcambre5236

3 жыл бұрын

He does sound so much better

"I missed you" -- that just makes the world worth being part of.

@NeilAFawcett

3 жыл бұрын

Join the queue Douglas :)

@giomjava

3 жыл бұрын

❤️🥰👍

@NeilAFawcett

3 жыл бұрын

@@emmasnow29 Someone sounds triggered?

@robertsmith7667

3 жыл бұрын

Emma Snow someone gets it.

@NeilAFawcett

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertsmith7667 That you appear triggered? It appears so...

"The problem when everything is going well is that everything that's going well becomes invisible"

@bperez8656

2 жыл бұрын

Is that really true though?

@pollyscookies9180

Жыл бұрын

@@bperez8656 Yes, I think it really is, at least in general. It's part of human nature to take the everyday benefits we enjoy in life - for granted. We forget to be thankful for ordinary things - yet we'd surely miss these things once they were gone.🥪☕🥤🍟🥗🐄🍺👕👖👟☔🏡🚙👨‍👩‍👧‍👦🏨🥼👨‍⚕️🏪⛽🚛🏫👩‍🏫🛣️🚿🤽‍♀️🚽🚣🐈🐕💒🌄🚌🥎🎶

47:36 he never said he wouldn't leave office. This segment hasn't aged well in light of the Time* article.

@johndickinson8848

3 жыл бұрын

The MSM talking points and lies presented in this talk astounded me.

@theeuropeanperspective3391

3 жыл бұрын

@ConManliness It's actually the Time Magazine, not the 'Times'. It's a recent article (hopefully still available online) in which the author proudly describes a vast conspiracy and 'cabal' (her words) to 'save' the 2020 elections and to 'fortify' democracy - an apparently huge under-cover effort by powerful people and organizations to manipulate the elections in many different ways.

@hejla4524

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndickinson8848 TDS on full display I'm afraid.

@tiffanymauk2860

3 жыл бұрын

Yes when he made that entirely false statement and Peterson did not correct him I stopped listening. When you have two men so devoid of facts of the case, repeating leftist MSM lies, there’s nothing more of value to be gained by listening to them disparage those in possession of the details of election irregularities.

@MrGarysugarman

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanymauk2860 My sentiments exactly. I just turned it off at that same point. I love both of these guys, but I don't quite get them going on and on about something they are completely clueless about, yet insist on waxing so assuredly. I'm almost embarrassed for them. Even before the Trump part they were showing their weakness on the whole American right/left topic.

When I got the KZread notification for this it literally felt like Christmas.

@adoctusneg7420

3 жыл бұрын

@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT I think his statement is a joke

@nichtsistkostenlos6565

3 жыл бұрын

@rajchandileka jayawardhane I would generally assume this is a troll, but these days it's getting harder and harder to tell.

@burry218

3 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas.

@Dash277

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@tinatucker4485

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I'm so glad Jordan is better!!!

When Douglas said "I missed you" you can see it in his face that he really meant it.

@nothajzl

3 жыл бұрын

I’m kinda sick of these types of comments, not gonna lie. These “HE REALLY MEANT IT” or “I FELT THAT!”. For some reason i find them irritating.

@devinmoran59

3 жыл бұрын

@@nothajzl I'd argue superficial criticisms are even more irritating. Some people have feeling type personalities. Part of being human.

@dhelmassociates

3 жыл бұрын

Douglas is very sincere.

@nothajzl

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinmoran59 yeah, i felt the toxicity radiating from my comment when i wrote that 😄but i wrote it anyway..

@nothajzl

3 жыл бұрын

@@anothercat1300 may be. I think it’s the fact that i see the “same comment” so much in youtube comments.

I am spellbound by the notion of having the courage "to trust the other". It resonates with Brenee Browns words about "daring greatly by showing up in the arena". May we all find the courage to speak the truth and risk being vulnerable and forgiving.

So glad you are back Dr. Peterson. You've helped me through a very tough time. God Bless.

As an outside observer and having bothered to investigate the claims, with no favour or skin in the game, the stolen election isn't just a rabbit hole to be so flippantly and ignorantly fobbed off i'm saddened to say. These are not two people i thought i'd ever say such a thing to, i respect both greatly.

@ryanapodaca9042

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessewest2109 yes this was long overdue

@jpwright87

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessewest2109 seeing people go through the mental gymnastics of choosing between JBP and Trump in the comments has been interesting. Of course, as long as you aren't a fanatic, a choice isn't necessary.

@grantfrith9589

3 жыл бұрын

I'd bet that I have spent conciderably more time than both JP and DM on the claims that the election was stolen. Even in all my efforts I'm left with two conflicting thoughts. Firstly it is extremely clear to me that the opportunity and the will to corrupt the process was there. Secondly that there is plenty of room for me to be mistaken. I'm not privy to how extensive the fraud claims were investigated. It's simply too muddy a space to get a clear handle on, particularly in the face of such an extremely biased media. The alternative media on KZread is subsequently a minefield as our imaginations go into overdrive. As long as Peterson spreads the message of adhering to the principles of truth and self reflection I'm more than happy he is very moderate and inclusive in the political sphere. If any solution is to be found in uniting a civilized discourse it starts within all of our hearts. It's really not clear either way for me. So many people are too certain they know what is going on on both sides of the equation. I'd rather see a difficult comprehensive and inclusive dialogue return to the culture than where the alternative is leading us.

@williamnaaden5776

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessewest2109 bull. He says to play fair. It's not a left or right thing. This is the deep state vs us

@gunyahwehtech5879

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessewest2109 I don't at all see how your reply has anything to do with @Martial lee comment - "As an outside observer and having bothered to investigate the claims, with no favour or skin in the game, the stolen election isn't just a rabbit hole to be so flippantly and ignorantly fobbed off i'm saddened to say. These are not two people i thought i'd ever say such a thing to, i respect both greatly."... and then at the end to say "Go back to the beginning of his lectures and start again." - perhaps you are busy talking to yourself? Or perhaps the level of hubris / megalomania on display is quite grotesque? You accuse of misunderstanding, yet your reply seems totally irrelevant to the comment?

You guys are spot on with most of the analysis, as usual. BUT, the claim that the election fraud claims were effectively dispensed with by the American court system is just a misunderstanding of the American legal process. Many of the cases were dismissed for procedural reasons and not "on the merits", which means the substantive claims and evidence were NOT litigated. Prosecuting a fraud case is no simple matter, even when the facts are mostly on your side, especially when it is across multiple jurisdictions, dealing with such a sensitive issue and over an almost impossibly short timeframe. Obviously the Trump campaign and others associated with it handled it BADLY with their rhetoric, which was mostly a reaction (which is not an excuse) to the Left's reprehensible behavior and rhetoric. The fact that the deck was so firmly stacked against Trump's reelection due to unprecedented election rule changes and incessant media misreporting and censorship (no conspiracy theory, just common sense and plain facts) likely made them feel like the only choice was to amp up the rhetoric to epic proportions and hope it buys them more time. That was a terrible decision. However, there is no use in pretending we know the validity of the fraud claims when virtually none of it was properly litigated.

@davidkahn3569

3 жыл бұрын

Election fraud should have been dealt with by the legislatures, not the courts. It's clearly documented in spades.

@bikefarmtaiwan1800

3 жыл бұрын

Good comment.

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

These 2 are loving being in the mainstream spotlight now. they are now firmly establishment. They will do anything to throw Trump under the bus especially Douglas Murray. Their videos are auto queued for me all the time. The KZread Deradicalisation Pipeline, moderate centrists like this are now embraced whereas before Joe Rogans interview with him got a strike for just featuring Murray. Murray is now a total sell-out (which is unsurprising given his UK establishment position), he's comfortable, his team are in power.. who cares if an election got stolen? If anyone thinks that the election wasn't stolen by the way... well I have a bridge to sell them. These two cant even contemplate that Trump had a better set of policies that benefitted the US overall and thats why he got record numbers of votes. The West is heading for war and these two 'hear no evil' 'see no evil' controlled opposition are playing a big, big role in creating the chasm. Murray is saying "Biden must ensure fair elections!" - Has he even heard of HR1? What a lying whore..

@sempereadem5168

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, one man is Canadian and another from the UK. They seem to be unable to relate to a Trump supporter in anyway.

@Brmlk

3 жыл бұрын

The greatest and most harmful rule change that took place (whether spoken or unspoken) was the sending of unsolicited mail-in ballots. This was effectively gerrymandering because the distribution of these letters across a map in a selective manner (whether intentional or not) would have the equivalent effect of changing the electoral constituency, especially in a pandemic environment. Without establishing intent, the courts would be unable to reverse anything and the scenario falls under the category of "unfortunate" or "inconvenient" event.

Listening to this conversation some time later. I would love to hear a follow-up.

I read the books of both of these wonderfully erudite, compassionate individuals, and listen to their interviews quite often. Absolutely top notch. I believe that their cogent presentations provide the world with inestimable benefits. That being said, time will tell if they were correct in their evaluation of the events of the last U.S. Presidential election. They might benefit from reviewing some of the sworn testimony given by thousands of citizens to the legislatures of a number of different states.

I love how Jordan jumps right in and Douglas makes a point of telling him that it's good to see him and that he's missed him. I love that about Douglas. He's sharp and rational, but also kind and compassionate.

@dbmail545

3 жыл бұрын

His latest book is one of the most important of the decade. I hope that it could become a manifesto for modern conservatism.

@filled_soda

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonlee6114 😂

@niceguy2527

3 жыл бұрын

Also very gay

@emboe001

3 жыл бұрын

Douglas isn't gay, he's conservative.

@niceguy2527

3 жыл бұрын

@@emboe001 a distinction without a difference 😂

"All the things I was engaged in will start up again, hopefully." Gave me goosebumps. The world needs Dr. Peterson to speak the truth more than ever, considering what's going on around the world.

@richardscales4569

3 жыл бұрын

So will Dr Peterson dare to talk about the great c . o . v .i . d . h. o . a . x . ? 99 . 97 % recovery rate? K . l . a . u . s . S . c . h . w. a . b and the "g . r . e . a . t . r . e . s. . e . t " ? "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy." Big pharma companies being given exemption from liability for their " v . a . c . c . i . n . e . s . " ?

@gypsydayle7083

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardscales4569 👏👏👏👏👏👏

@anitamaguire7640

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardscales4569 Well said.

@shirafaizaputri6887

3 жыл бұрын

Really you guys starting to sounds more obscure. Indeed there's a possibility of an upcoming disaster. But have you even watch his videos? Trust it even tho you know that it is a snake. Active bravery. Fight from within. Take the burden. We must take a risk. There's possibly no other way to end this chaos. Trust them. You might find something out of it.

@nbinghi

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but in order to SPEAK the truth he has to HEAR it first, and from Victor Davis Hansen, not Murray.

What you say about forgiveness is one of the keys to true genuine human interaction. We cant walk around thinking we are on our own and disowned/demoted/fired/left/ if we mess up. Yell at each other with respect but move on together. Thank you for a good talk! If forgiveness is reached by getting drunk and laughing at something together, well then that's better than an extended misery .

Douglas is one of the best commentators of our time

Anyone who watched all those Senate hearings( I did) would be unable to say there was not enough evidence to justify a court investigation.

@nicholasrussell3238

3 жыл бұрын

If JP had watched them he would not have used the phrase "Trump went down the stolen election narrative rabbit hole". It is no rabbit hole narrative. Watch the senate hearings if you won't do any of the data analysis yourself. The stolen election narritive is the pursuit of truth and justice. Starting with the data and looking at the evidence for yourself, you have no choice but to accept that the judicial system is corrupt from bottom to top. The events between Nov. 3, to Jan. 20, expose a disgusting amount of corruption. This is why "the right" is upset, not because of Trump. "The left" is upset because they are children being called out on their lies

@ebronator86

3 жыл бұрын

Any REASONABLE person who watched those hearings perhaps, but people on the left are not reasonable so those people most certainly would deny the existence of evidence because it fits their narrative. The existence of left is based of fundamental dishonesty. But Jordan and Douglas should watch the hearings, agreed.

@sallie-annewareing1778

3 жыл бұрын

i agree i watched too n anyone can do its sad to think people can comment if they've not done or be dismissive anyway i salute the people who came forward

@workhorse7134

3 жыл бұрын

@@djknox2 it's like imagining the people at high school running the country, which in effect they are.

The comment of JBP being missed literally brought tears to my eyes. I took his absence as my opportunity to use my voice to combat the problems of our time without relying on JP to much. He has provided all the guidance/tools necessary to face these dragons. While I have never met you Doc I view you as a father figure and you have changed my life in many ways. Still have much dead wood to burn off, but am so so thankful you are back. You have been missed and needed in enormous ways. Thank you for continuing to lead by example and doing what has to be done to keep our/your room in order. You are my hero sir!!! I care for you very very much

@TheWoodworker1966

3 жыл бұрын

Telling the truth is quite liberating. And dangerous to do irl. I've done it and experienced the downsides. All the opposition did was strengthen my resolve.

@jaynewilcox9527

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck to you on your journey and finding your voice 🙂

@starksanchez3812

3 жыл бұрын

I share a lot of your feelings about Dr. Peterson.

@citezensane4413

3 жыл бұрын

Bravo.

@shirafaizaputri6887

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWoodworker1966 any outcomes from it is right and beter than the guilt I felt when I lied. I live someone lives if I lied. So it means that I am not even living. Better to tell the truth, any outcome I face, that my friend I must bear it. Security is unimportant if my soul is crushed.

I’d love to see this conversation repeated as of January 1st, 2023. I think these two were gaslighted as much as the majority of Americans who watch mainstream media.

@Imajinayogadva

10 ай бұрын

Looking for this

Viewing this 2 years later, its amazing how opinions never wait for history to convey facts. This is not a slight on these two brilliant men. It is an observation.

@flomccanuck8095

Жыл бұрын

I'm rewatching it, and yes - point taken:)

Small clarification: The court cases were rejected on standing. The evidence was not examined.

@isabelpage1964

3 жыл бұрын

Can you explain that for me? Is it that states rule whatever.

@j.p.devottee736

3 жыл бұрын

One would think that the best lawyers to be found to argue those cases would understand standing right? Why did they waste their time? Were they hoping to find a sympathetic set of judges? Just weird to me. It's like bringing a frivolous lawsuit when on the face of it any person that has passed the bar would know the suit has no chance.

@j.p.devottee736

3 жыл бұрын

@@isabelpage1964 For instance if you were my best friend and got hit by a car, I couldn't claim damages because im your best friend. Only the person or party who is harmed can claim the damages. That person has standing to bring the case. Texas in one case tried to sue the US government over Pennsylvania's State law. Texas tried to claim they were harmed by another states law...If a group of Pennsylvanians had sued, they would have had standing because they are from Pennsylvania. Texas has no standing when it comes to another state's law.

@destinal_in_reality

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndohart895 That's only ONE case. There have been a lot of other cases that were heard, and Trump's lawyers in most cases never even alleged significant fraud altering the outcome of the election.

@jwatson181

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndohart895 That was my main issue with the courts. I would have just like the evidence examined. It was clear that multiple states changed election law with the executive branch is an issue.

I love the metaphor "eye of Sauron" describing social media pervasiveness

@elliot1784

3 жыл бұрын

@@emmasnow29 ai beats chess grandmasters and jeopardy champions. And we’re just toying with ai applied to psychological manipulation through propoganda. Generally unaware. 🍿 enjoy the show

@elliot1784

3 жыл бұрын

@@emmasnow29 ai presently is a serious danger. A threat expected in the future... should be considered a present threat. Not to discredit that it is actively, presently threatening/causing harm to society as we know it. Humans are reactive, until the problem at hand is beyond our ability to react. Need to be proactive. Hence our current predicament with this pandemic. P.S. I like your picture. Is it supposed to invoke a Google branding feel? Or is that just me? :)

@goodlookinouthomie1757

3 жыл бұрын

I had to keep checking to make sure this conversation wasn't recorded 3 or 4 years ago. This is more or less where the conversation was back then.

@elliot1784

3 жыл бұрын

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 haha. Yup. Humans 👍🏻 We talk about planning until disaster strikes. Then we begin planning. And then we barely save our asses long enough to stack up all the nonsolved problems sent into remission in the closet. Until the closet bursts. And then it’s game over :) 🍿 enjoy the show

My 2 favorite orators in one talk ? Love it !

Unfortunately people in general do not want to listen to this type of conversation or what these men have to say because they'd realize how wrong they are and to make this world a better place. Thank you Jordan and Douglas

After reading the comments, there seems to be a fairly large group of people who believe that both Dr. Peterson and Douglas failed to not only get to the heart of why people voted for and supported Trump, but also consider the evidence his supporters say exists. Whether they want to believe it or not, should they not at least look at it? I propose that we politely tweet at Dr. Peterson and ask him to interview someone who does believe there were issues with the election. I would like to nominate Sargon of Akkad as someone to speak with. Sargon has covered the election and all the funny business extensively. Even if after the interview, Dr. Peterson is not convinced, AT LEAST he will have given the other side a fair shot. Edit. I see a lot of you mentioned some other candidates who you believe would be a better representative than Sargon for the side who believe there was election tampering . I will list a few here and hope that Dr. Peterson sees it. Interesting discussion: Robert Barnes Steven Crowder Victor Davis Hanson Dave Rubin Rand Paul Rudi Giuliani Candace Owens James Delingpole Joshua Phillips Note: some of these people I do not know I am merely listing your guys opinions to get them noticed on a comment with some likes. I would appreciate feedback on the list.

@richardkuyper300

3 жыл бұрын

@@djknox2 These are great suggestions--I was thinking of VDH and Rubin myself. Black is excellent too. I was really surprised and dismayed by the podcast. It was the most politically naive and intellectually confused I've ever seen Dr. Peterson.

@fedorilitchev5092

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who does not believe that election fraud took place - what would be the one video to look at that presents the case most convincingly?

@taulambda3906

3 жыл бұрын

@Anabel Poe This is exactly the problem I am talking about. Just because you decide it does not exist does not mean it doesn't, or perhaps of equal importance, that there are many people who feel it does. Whether Dr. Peterson or Douglas believe it doesn't exist also does not matter. What I was suggesting was that they just speak to someone on the other side, allow them to present what they believe is evidence of wrong doing. Since Dr. Peterson has come back he has not spoken to anyone with a different opinion on the election or Donald Trump in general. I am not even an American and I think he is mischaracterizing why many people voted for Trump in the first place, and why they continue to support him. Again, I am not saying that everyone needs to be forced into agreement, I am only saying that a discussion between Dr. Peterson and someone like Carl Benjamin (Sargon) who does disagree would be beneficial and informative for everyone.

@fedorilitchev5092

3 жыл бұрын

@@katybell9612 have you got a link to a particularly convincing one? That RSBN channel sure has a lot of videos...

@fidjicz

3 жыл бұрын

@Anabel Poe how do you know may I ask?

I love listening to JBPeterson and Douglas Murray. I have a question as to how it isn't possible to separate the man Trump as President from the Office of the Presidency. I get the criticism of the man, but the policies of repatriated investment, no new wars, low tax, low regulation, energy security and also having a rising minority vote, are all very impressive. Combine this with an unrelenting resilience after Obama illegally used government officials to spy on him before his inauguration, and a four year insistence (disproved) the Russians were involved in the 2016 election, and you have a very strong leader.

@maxcrosby4232

3 жыл бұрын

Because you can't separate the man from his office. In no job is that ever the case -- an interview to work at Subway requires some moral judgement, and correctly. The Presidency is an office where moral judgement should be the guiding factor. Even if it were to be granted that Trump enjoyed policy success, this doesn't explain how so many overlooked his flaws before such successes existed (the first election).

@catfyre1643

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for adding your comment.

@LishaPinny

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxcrosby4232 This might be true assuming there is collective agreement on moral standards, but I'm not sure that is an assumption that can be made. Furthermore, I wonder about the degree to which Trump has such moral deficiencies that it so negatively affected his position, BUT he was able to implement policies that could objectively be considered as quality and effective. I think ultimately we are struggling with applying consistent moral standards leading to tiresome hypocrisies.

@tikmaanboksouwe

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and Peterson actually still thinks there is a pandemic... Cmon Jordan, find out the truth before speaking on this stuff. COVID is being used to speed us up to "the great reset" AKA communism.

@Tomgd420

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxcrosby4232 A man with a Ego you roll your eyes at times and shrug it off. Was he not deserving of the ego he came to have? Did Obama live up to his in any of the 8 years he was in? What flaws did Trump have compared to Obama? What flaws compared to Clinton? Look at the past and the present at the time and you have your answer.

I absolutely love you both and benefit greatly from you sharing your deep thoughts. Thank you to you both.

Pragmatic political philosophy exposed as clearly as one could want. Many Thanks to Douglas Murray. How many times do I have to admit that I couldn’t have put it better myself? Great stuff!

I've just started listening but have to say, it brought tears to my eyes to see you looking so much better, Jordan Peterson. I'm just one of many people who have been rooting for your good health.

Interesting conversation. Most of which is good. Wanted to comment on the part of the legal challenges to the US election. The courts didn't throw out any of the cases that Trump himself brought (he didn't bring 90 cases, his team brought a round 5 or 6), all were thrown out on procedure, none were heard on the merits. The reason people on the right are so angry about the election was because the courts refused to hear any of the merits. Some of the larger number of cases brought by others, may have been heard, but my inderstanding is even the majority of those were not heard on the merits. So you have the situation where people do not feel that even the judiciary wouldn't hear the facts. Taken with the multiple irregularities seen on tape, tapes of them destroying ballots...which are supposed to be kept for 2 years, wiping voting machines etc. One of the places in Michigan, Anterim County, they did evaluate forensically, the Dominion machines and found a 68% error rate. The attorneys there were threatened by Michigan's attorney General Dana Nessel. Multiple other people such as Matt Braynard, did independent work showing that there were huge numbers of voter fraud across the country. This was all ignored and refused to be even heard by the courts. So let me ask you, what are people supposed to do under these circumstances? Not that Trump is correct, but people wanted to see the evidence heard in court, if they had , only the true radical right wingers would've continued to support what is happening. In my opinion anyhow

@Lakoda26

3 жыл бұрын

It also bothered me how they act like believing Trump won means you cannot accept that Biden is POTUS and/or wish him the best.

@danberg1340

3 жыл бұрын

agree; and Sen Cruz's simple proposition to appoint a commission to look at the evidence was howled down; legal profession want him debarred, expelled from Senate, etc

@ar2851

3 жыл бұрын

I think the answer here is putting our noses to the grindstone and getting actual citizens into local office. Whether it is ourselves or people we run. We primary people, we get people into school boards and wherever. Actial citizens, people who don't want to be there and agree to do one term and step down, then we run someone else, as a civic duty. I believe what we're seeing is happening because we just walked away from our civic responsibility. Once done we branch out into the state and national levels

@chriswhite2151

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lakoda26 how can you expext people to do that when they believe in their heart that he didn't win honestly, AND that he is going to undo everything Trump did that made them vote for him? To simply say "o.k., he won" is to accept that the Republicans will not only lose everything they gained, but will never win again and we are now a one party country.

@vidard9863

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, we got a four year million dollar investigation into Trump at taxpayer expense based on information that Hillary paid for, and a rather large impeachment investigation based on an unsworn statement of a fiance of the daughter of a democrat congressman. We got no investigation whatsoever for over 900 sworn affidavits, and countless irregularities, except for the investigations that private citizens could afford to do by themselves... Seems legit. Way to build confidence in the system guys!

Brilliant podcast Jordan.. I'm so intrigued by the way you express your opinions.. Great guest as well I am a big fan of Douglas

Welcome back Jordan! I watched your Triggernometry interview recently and I'm so pleased to hear you say you're feeling a little better. I'm currently grappling with Maps of Meaning having read 12 rules for living, and I've bought you new book Beyond Order which I'm looking forward to getting my teeth into.

These two thinkers: great This conversation: greatly disappointing Outcome: it's all so tiring... We'll have to become our own heroes now

@jimluebke3869

3 жыл бұрын

That's why that story keeps getting retold a thousand ways.

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@Lolaskates13

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@PitchBlackYeti

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimluebke3869 As long as people think that the voice of reason is "greatly disappointing", the cycle of violence repeats itself.

@jimluebke3869

3 жыл бұрын

@@PitchBlackYeti That wasn't the voice of reason (logos), that was the voice of authority (ethos). The two are very distinct rhetorical strategies. Aristotle saw "ethos" as most persuasive, and he's right, from a cynical point of view. The Enlightenment, however, saw "logos" as most persuasive, and that gave us the modern world.

Jordan sounding more like himself in his interview. It's fantastic to see him back cognitively.

@charlesbeaudelair8331

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Slowly but surely he is definitely back on track.

@jakejohnson6120

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. He is on point, he has made massive progress even since his last video it seems.

@Nicholai888

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakejohnson6120 I want to know if it has anything to do with maybe doing the Wim Hoff breathing exercises? He said he wanted to give it a try for at least a while.

@thechairman6617

3 жыл бұрын

Meh.

@shirafaizaputri6887

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nicholai888 There is also a chance that he used different methods other than Wim hof. Honestly, I don't know for sure.

Thank you both for this conversation.

I will support competent candidates that LOVE America.

I am a huge fan of both, that being said Murray’s repeated citing to the 61 court cases that went against Trump ignores the fact that none,/zero of those cases were determined on the merits/evidence. There was no discovery conducted except for in one case in NM which found significant discrepancies. He needed to be challenged on this. Also, that some were republicans is of little consequence when you consider that this was an establishment vs non-establishment (Trump)

@birchwilliams2587

3 жыл бұрын

Douglas was my God. But life is all about priorities... after this... Fuck him & the horse he road in on.

@jorgeandres404

3 жыл бұрын

​@@birchwilliams2587 I am with you. I listened to a podcast he did a week ago with a couple of British guys in which he finally let loose his pent up disdain for Trump and his supporters . Very disappointing. I have been following Murray for several years now and generally appreciated most of his opinions. For the past four plus years he stopped short of criticizing Trump in the typical TDS way. Now it appears he wants to distance himself to avoid criticism.

@WolfThorneLives

3 жыл бұрын

Not even that, but most of those cases werent brought by Trump and his legal team himself. Only about 4 of them were from Giuliani and his team. Most of them were from voters and other organizations.

@trulsrohk1

3 жыл бұрын

It also ignores a huge, huge, huge factor besides corruption.... Cowardice. Even IF the judge sympathizes with Trump, are they gonna stick their neck out on a case about election irregularities in an extremely tight timeline, where the possible implications are huge, but the ability to provide relief and how to do so even go about it is unknown, and the entirety of the media is busy cramming down everyone's throats how "there's no evidence".

@birchwilliams2587

3 жыл бұрын

@@jorgeandres404 I put a lot of this TDS syndrome down to sheer jealousy. I never thought I’d see Murray as a bitter, frustrated queen. I was wrong.

I think I can speak for the crowd here when I say: Jordan, we've all missed you. And we are so happy you are back and healthy. God bless Dr. Peterson.

Two great minds. Much needed discourse. Thank you

Simply amazing! These are the political discussions we should he having.

Would like to put in a word for Tammy (JP's wife). She reminded him that he said the courts in Canada were often corrupt so why couldn't the ones in the US be? Great comment Tammy!

@nishagrav

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@amorfati4927

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, the leftist types thought the courts are corrupt and unfair... Except for the 2020 election. Then it was fair. It was unfair right after Biden was sworn in again though.

@tubetorpedo

3 жыл бұрын

Other point was that they were republican judges so they should be non leftist, but who says they are on Trumps side? I think there are plenty of republicans who do not like Trump very much at all. He is not republican, even by looking his political history, he has been registered democrat, republican and also independent, he is no partisan actor who does things by party politics for the party. He just used republican side because on democrats he would not have that change he had. E.g. what happened to Bernie. Would be no big surprise if he had come from the side and had messed their business plans along the way.

@lilscottieme

3 жыл бұрын

@@amorfati4927 nah courts are only corrupt for those who think they should have won and not lost

@infiniLor

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilscottieme that is a ridiculous claim - there are reams of examples of blatant corruption in the courts - over many decades - if there are human beings and power involved, there is ALWAYS corruption to be found

Normally Dr. Peterson gives me hope for society, but today this comment section does. These two are missing so much information it makes me wonder if it’s intentional.

@christianrochat7919

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, but I don't think it's intentional. I think they are a bit naive and want to see the good and the bad equaly in both sides, even at the price that this will distort their view. They should listen more to James Lindsay, that might wake them up.

@clknight2008

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s intentional. JP has been out of the loop for awhile and neither are Americans.

@jasonjudd3810

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%... both a bit like two aging has-beens .. not quite understanding the real point .. but trying to use elegant language to basically say nothing

@jasonjudd3810

3 жыл бұрын

@@ActiuneBaza ... yes I agree with you. They use different words- to say the same thing ! I do feel sorry for Jordan .. he does look a beaten Man. I wonder what exactly happened to him?

@baxtronicxavier

3 жыл бұрын

Jason Judd he looks far better. They are talking fairly philosophically which is perhaps why you’re not hearing what you want to hear.

JBP and Douglas Murray. A very excellent combination for podcasting!

I agree with the forgiveness argument, mostly because these days apologizing has no value. In fact apologizing is seen like an admittance of guilt, you will still be thrown out of society, and still looked down on, even when you did what they asked. All the while those who refuse to apologize and stand up for themselves seem to bounce back, and find a new society to operate in. I've seen this happen in smaller circles, and of course we see this online wit celebritets all the time.

A few forensic audits would have settled the matter for all parties. None of the evidence was reviewed by the courts, only dismissed on procedural grounds. This only creates more division.

@MrAmbrosse

3 жыл бұрын

This is the base of the argument for me. If the election was result was so genuine, then why was there such a resistance and refusal to audit the swing states. It really boggles my mind that people expect people to trust the result when it was this close, and they were refusing to do an audit.

@TheRealEMH

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why they refused. It’s pretty obvious the federal courts in America are all bought off by radical criminal democrats.

Hearing JBP say that he had some of the brave knocked out of him tore me up - So pleased that he has been able to strengthen his resolve and continue to produce content like this. Well done sir

@nbinghi

3 жыл бұрын

And beaten out of him by whom? THE LEFT.

@abekki-8474

3 жыл бұрын

@@nbinghi I'm not sure we can say it was "the left" as you put it - the man went through some of the hardest life challenges anyone can experience. I would argue that some of the rhetoric of the radical/extreme left had a major impact on his life but the notion that the left were responsible for his hardship is silly. it also highlights the problem Murray highlights in this video so therefore allow me to be your editor.

I admire you both! God Bless you and family! ❤️👏🏻🙏🏻

Earlier civilizations had profits at important times in their growth. we have ours as well. This is your very important job. You should not not be part of the political establishment but to critique and hold the powers to ideals and standards. To not let the public and the grass roots get lost in our own rhetoric. Have courage in europe Murray. Jordan we are so glad to see you standing again. It gives me great hope to know you both are standing strong. I will now start forwarding your video around. That is part of what I can do.

Sad to hear both Douglas and Jordan seemingly swallowing the left narrative on Trump so readily.

@jeff2209

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair jordan has always been a liberal who's never understood true conservatives or right wingers.

@marcoparada6652

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeff2209 , try again.

@ThePhantazmya

3 жыл бұрын

They've never been Trump supporters and only academically try to understand why people voted for him. I forgive JP for being a bit out of touch given what he's gone through the last year or so but Murray has no real excuse. He just seems not to want to believe that the status quo is broken and so doesn't understand the source of the mistrust of people toward the system.

@scenopiachannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhantazmya They were always gatekeepers.

Mr Murry, there was enough video evidence and shenanigans that make one side loose faith in the process. Then the other side say don't believe your lying eyes and if you do your the problem and oh by the way having any questions whatsoever means you should be hated, re-educated or worse. If the other person refuses to atleast hear your grievances and deny they could even possibly exist. That is a recipe for extreme strife.

@maryliz28

3 жыл бұрын

Never thought I would see these guys do so little research into what they're talking about. I guess the problem is it involves hours of watching actual hearings (not just clips from the media) and looking at the basis on which court cases were overturned without actually examining the evidence. Also, numbers don't lie as much as people do.

@janetwhite7786

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryliz28 Amen, Mary Liz. If a judge refuses to hear the evidence IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT MATTER. These two, tho I have respect for them, are just saying what my dem friends do. 90 cases against Trump. The judges were unwilling to take on the deep state/cancel culture. Well, they were prob smarter than you and i but, sorry, my sense of right and wrong won't let me go there.

@keldsports8337

3 жыл бұрын

And they both are fundamentally incorrect about Trump supporters. While there is an element of left vs right, essentially it’s establishment vs anti-establishment. Even though Trump is an elite, the party took on a life of its own and was a repudiation of the ideology being forced upon the US, and the west in general by the establishment. With Biden’s first few days, we already see that it’s playing out as expected, ie the return of the war machine, appeasing China, destruction of the economy, etc

@Mrguy-ds9lr

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryliz28 i thought the same, did you actually watch the hearings? But the sensors hip was so fast. Most if the vids i saved are deleted. I still love u you Jay p!.

@stoyanb.1668

3 жыл бұрын

they both missed the mark on the courts and cases. most of them were refused on procedural grounds. not to mention the supreme cowards, as expected did not take up any of them. its the same for guns. what exactly is the point of a supreme court if they dont do what theyre supposed to?

we didnt vote for the guy we voted for the idea. an outsider breaking in and actually doing something

@keeptrying5962

3 жыл бұрын

Trump won and the honest world knows it. I don't know what's up w/these two, but I might take a guess...

@lesliehoskey5590

3 жыл бұрын

On the discussion between Jordan and Douglas, the vast majority of the court decisions were not actually heard by the court, but dismissed because lack of standing. Buy I would admit Biden DID win, however why most people on the right believe the election was stolen, was not due to illegal ballots, but the fact virtually ALL negative messaging about the Biden/Harris ticket was NOT allowed by MSM.

@keeptrying5962

3 жыл бұрын

@@lesliehoskey5590 Very true that anything negative re: Biden was kept quiet. However, there IS ample hard evidence that the election was stolen, e.g. many counties having more voters than their entire population, machines hooked up to the Internet (with foreign interference), the missing trailer (Jesse Morgan's USPS trailer full of completed ballots, which he'd been instructed to drive from NY to PA), ballots pulled out from beneath a table, and run multiple times, after all mandated monitors had been sent home due to 'major water pipe break', which was actually a urinal that had overflowed earlier in the day. They stole it. I hope they don't get away with it (I know it seems they are).

@dennismarshall5993

3 жыл бұрын

We voted for a candidate that put our country, thereby our people first. All people no matter their identity. This election was stolen from the record minority voters and democrats that voted for Trump. It scared the globalists.

@dingaling2427

3 жыл бұрын

@@keeptrying5962 it's a grand conspiracy.....every single person who says trump lost is in the satanism.. Everyone but trump and flynn is in on it!! *parody*

Thanks both of you, cogent and coherent discussion.

I feel like things have already moved forward from when this was recorded. For the first time I didn't feel connected to either JP or DM. Same as when I listen to Bret Weinstein. All this talking, raising good ideas but the people in power aren't listening to them. It's that simple. They have no need to. On the US, from an outsider's perspective (and old fashioned liberal) I see asymmetric enforcement of laws and culture against the Right with the Left ala Portland and Seattle running wild for months at end without consequence; on twitter, beliefs that were common among everyone 5 yrs ago are now getting people banned; Biden's EOs. With Big Tech censorship and the rethoric from legacy media it's hard not to see that outwardly at least, the Democrats have no interest in listening to concerns from moderate conservatives, why so many voted for Trump. Better label them ists and phobes, silence them and remove them from the public sphere. I worry.

@theunderdog1206

3 жыл бұрын

I got the sense this was Peterson and Murray distancing themselves from the more, uh, enthusiastic parts of the right wing. I understand why they would want to try and calm people down, but I can’t help but think its a bit of a cop out to say our institutions are strong, when not long ago the (factual) message was that they were being taken over by Marxist activists. A little disappointed after watching this one tbh.

@fomo6789

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way. Also, and I completely understand that he had an excuse, JP seems to simply not be informed on a lot of the facts, events and general minutiae of the election, and the general state of even the "moderate" lefts systematic identitarian policies, or big tech's involvement, or Biden's mental issues and the fact that he's mostly a puppet. The only true moderates lie in a no-man's land between the Republican party and a new place, yet to be formed, framed around the constitution. Let me state, I think JP WILL get up to speed!

@bussybusterblade8799

3 жыл бұрын

@@positiveanion4085 Jordan himself early on said that taking a stand had been beaten out of him, and I do empathize with him. Years of public berating and labeling would take its toll on anybody especially Jordan who is clearly a deep and emotional thinker. Then he becomes extremely ill, so I understand if he is too tired to fight anymore. The disappointing part is he still wants his podium, and the abundance it no doubt provides. His new book, him helping his daughter on the social sphere, all things which are expected to an extent as it’s how they eat, but they have a tinge of grift I can’t abide. He should have hung his hat if he’s so tired. What’s the use in eloquent speech that doesn’t say anything?

@globalnomad1221

3 жыл бұрын

check out the academic agent - special stream - what happened? also TFM on bitchute... The mainstream is lost...

@retiredby3570

3 жыл бұрын

history shows us this will end very violently

Time to get back to paper ballots with scrutineers from all parties present at the counting. I had the privilege of participating once. It was impossible to cheat the process. Bonus: working together at the task created a sense of friendship across the political divide.

@jeffstock7819

3 жыл бұрын

While I agree with you, unfortunately those days are long past and not coming back.

@ienekevanhouten4559

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffstock7819 In Canada we still use them.

@jalbers3150

3 жыл бұрын

This will never happen, the left has a vested interest in low integrity elections.

@waffenwrapp62

3 жыл бұрын

time to get back? are you so naïve that you don't see that this was intentional and that those days are over for good?

@ienekevanhouten4559

3 жыл бұрын

@@waffenwrapp62 It is something to propose, right? I am just glad we still use this in Canada.

If someone can prove that it is wrong to challenge election results with all that has come to light in PA, AZ, MI, WI, and GA, I will be glad to listen to the argument.

Douglas Murray I love you. You are right and awesome!

We've all missed JBP enormously. So thankful that these two guys are back talking about the most important issues today.

@davidprince1138

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed.

@aussiehillbilly

3 жыл бұрын

Talking? You mean glossary of all that Jazz?

@destructorzz7197

3 жыл бұрын

@@aussiehillbilly what?

@aussiehillbilly

3 жыл бұрын

@@destructorzz7197 it wasn't much of a real discussion when they were throwing dirt about the election like Mockingbird media talking points. Oh Trump is such a Conspiracy wack job saying the election was stolen snort snort joke nudge nudge. I think the American people who voted for Trump deserve to be treated with more respect than what these two dished out. People's jobs just got destroyed and Canada is considering legal action and all l heard from these 2 elites was snort snort giggle giggle. Like a children's book Mr Giggle talked big deal to Mr Smirking!

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

@@aussiehillbilly Im glad to finally see that Jordan Peterson would have been among the first to denounce the Kulaks. maybe he needs to read some Solzhenitsyn..

The courts didn't even hear the cases... That's why people are angry they've had no closure

@Photosynthesislove

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@connorverra

3 жыл бұрын

cope

@N0stalgicLeaf

3 жыл бұрын

@@connorverra This is incredibly unhelpful. Some of those court filings were dismissed CORRECTLY because they had procedural errors or were not brought to the appropriate jurisdiction. Some of the filings the courts simply refused to hear. So to say that none of the cases had merit or they all failed because the claims were proved false is either ignorance or a lie. It doesn't matter who won the election. It doesn't matter who's in office. All Americans need to support the good of the American institutions and we need to ALL very precisely identify any bad actors, regardless of party or background or pronouns or anything, and remove them from the process. Then WE need to let this shit go and move on.

@MicheleHjorleifsson

3 жыл бұрын

@@N0stalgicLeaf So exactly how does a state not have standing in a presidential election case when it effects the state DIRECTLY?

@Tomgd420

3 жыл бұрын

@@N0stalgicLeaf They were speaking of Trump suits in which case it was not even close to 90. Identify them and do nothing? Because that is exactly what you just said. There was video evidence there was admission and approval of denial to have viewers and approvers. The approval after the fact to have viewers 20 feet back? You can move on and pretend your eyes lie but I doubt you believe that..... Nah you're just willing to allow it.

Once again, thank you both for sharing your brilliant and interesting perspectives. Dr. Peterson, I first heard you on the Gary Null Show and have benefited from your insights since. i would love to see Dr. Null on your show.

So good to see you back, Dr. Peterson.

I posted on your daughters video about the hit piece the London Sun-Times did on you that you'll never meet most of us, but we love you and your family deeply. You've taught us, fought for us, and loved us even when you didn't know us. We've got your 6 Jordan.

Lack of truth is causing the chaos, too many lies for too long and the public is searching for truth.

@praisekek181

3 жыл бұрын

in soviet amer... in Soviet Russia truth doesnt matter

@UltraAar

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus is the Truth

The article from Time magazine, the secret cabal, sure shines a whole new light on things.

@Andrew-ho4vq

3 жыл бұрын

Time has always been a vapid propaganda rag so I would be surprised if they published anything interesting for once, but maybe I'll check it out some time.

I read Douglas Murray's book, The Madness of Crowds and would say that I Iearned new things about many things. Mr. Murray makes plain some complicated issues. Two great minds here.

When you deny your enemy his day in court, what option is left to him but war?

@diamantedante

3 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@dhawks9347

3 жыл бұрын

Even worse, when they claim that anyone who questions their shady behavior should be labeled a white supremacist terrorist, and that you need to be deprogrammed, and any news outlet who disagrees with them should not be allowed to exist.

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

War is coming..

@furtim1

3 жыл бұрын

Look up the voting changes in HR1.

Jordan, in case you think "well, this video barely got any downvotes despite the comment section being filled with criticism - they must be a vocal minority or something", think again. We're just not so resentful as to lash out just because we think you got something wrong.

@FireRebel

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong conclusion, you are a minority. Nobody else cares enough. There are very few people in america privileged enough to have free time to spend thinking/arguing about politics. That is the group you and I fall into. An extreme minority. Instead of writing this comment, they would be worrying to pay a bill or pick up their kids. Negative events provoke human beings to action far more easily than positive events. All the people that agree with peterson or simply don't think deeply about what he says but watch the video nonetheless - very few of them comment. On the other hand, most of the people who disagree with him will come to the comments to talk about it. It makes sense, the negativity bias. If there's nothing wrong, it's business as usual, nothing to fix, just move along. If it's negative, there's something wrong, there's something to be done, there's something you need to speak forth to correct the world.

@Y0UT0PIA

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireRebel Sure, maybe. I just meant that 'people who believe that there are reasonable justifications for doubting the legitimacy of the US election are not a minority *relative to* the overall viewership of this video'.

@christianrochat7919

3 жыл бұрын

True for me! Conversation was disappointing in many aspects, but I still upvoted.

@stacey78412

3 жыл бұрын

We do love Jordan Peterson, don't we.

@sparrowsknow8491

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Thank you

Re-listening to this again. It’s a great interview.

Thanks for having Douglas on.

Teared up a bit when Douglas conveyed how happy he was to see JP healthy. Two people trying to make the world a better place.

@briandelaney9710

2 жыл бұрын

Strange. These are two people who don’t usually stir sentiment

@leahflower9924

2 жыл бұрын

douglas and jordan perfect duo

@wobblyeye493

2 жыл бұрын

@@utv5490 should be right up your street then........

@geoffreynhill2833

Жыл бұрын

🤮

@zaal08

Жыл бұрын

@@geoffreynhill2833 nothing shows your ignorance more than hating on JP lol. Bet you couldn't tell me one thing you don't like about him that's true

It was JBP who taught me to question whether the problem at hand is being formulated properly at precisely such times as this: When, after puzzling through their conception of what they've decided is a "paranoid conspiratorial thinking" problem, JBP and Murray attempt moving on to discuss solutions and struggle to so much as guess at where to start. What if the 75+% of Republicans *and* 30% of Democrats polled by Rasmussen as election-skeptical aren't *all* paranoid conspiracy theorists? What if our Government had a responsibility to hold a credible election, and to assuage concerns surrounding credible allegations with impartial investigations - and it failed to fulfil its duty? It's true enough that the solutions you'll come up with if you start to think about a serious Credibility problem are going to be more difficult to pursue than, say, merely bemoaning the ugliness of one man's habit of brashly saying uncomfortable things that half of us think. If you think about a Credibility problem, you might have to do more to solve it than just write a (curiously bipartisan) half of the country off as paranoid conspiracy theorists and beg them to stop being crazy. But it was a one Jordan B. Peterson who taught me that doing such thinking was worth it. And I plan to stick to it. p.s. I'm still probably going to buy Murray's book, even though he can take his not-so-subtle invitation for me to prostrate myself and beg forgiveness from his polite society at the end there and insert it firmly into his rectum.

@user-od3rl5mc

3 жыл бұрын

Massively underrated comment. I think it's partially cowardice to be honest. They both have books, are smart and acutely aware of the dangers of even delving into a subject which has now become verboten in a disturbingly 1984 kind of way. There is a good reason we do not allow mail in ballots in Europe. I think you hit the nail on the head, there was a duty of care to hold a credible election which was bi-partisan. Unfortunately Republicans were completely asleep at the wheel

Thanks Douglas for all that you say including we missed you Jordan

Excellent commentary and analysis. Welcome back, Jordan!

I was completely on board until the subject of the U.S. presidential election came up. Sadly, both Dr. Peterson and Mr. Murray appear to have (at least in part) fallen for the MSM narrative on Trump. Cries of "Populist!", "Sore loser!", "Insurrectionist!" etc. Tiresome, to say the least.

@ChromaToneMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Politics are not their expertise so you must forgive them somewhat, and neither are American. Despite fabulous critique of human nature (and generally having an accurate assessment) they seem lacking in perspective on this topic.

@karlheven8328

3 жыл бұрын

Well he is the loser of 2020 (whatever you think of the legitimacy of the whole thing), isn't that a fact? Fact's don't care about feelings.

@BR-hi6yt

3 жыл бұрын

Correct - these two are now zombies as per Orwell's book or Brave New World. HORRIFYING. Arrrrrrgh.

@ManiacalForeigner

3 жыл бұрын

@@karlheven8328 I suppose if you lose at a rigged game you're *technically* a loser, but you absolutely have the right to be sore about it.

@karlheven8328

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManiacalForeigner I deny that it was but ok. Trump made statements that the election would be rigged even before it took place. He then complained about the mail-in voting, very early. HE never said he would accept the result of the election and even joked about it already in 2016 saying 'I will totally accept the result of the 2016 election IF I WIN'. I think he always prepared to fight and if necessary create a narrative in case he would lose the election. Trump is the guy who defrauded people with Trump University. Are we really supposed to believe he just tells the truth always?

@47 mins, correction: President Trump NEVER once said that he would not leave office. Douglas is confusing this with commentary wherein the pundits tried reinterpret & read things into what was said. The pundits in this country are addicted to "reading into" what is said.

@brazilianman92

3 жыл бұрын

Uh he did when he said stop the steal. Wake up

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

Murray hates Trump because Murray has become the swamp.and if you don't like stop the steal..then campaign to get rid of the safeguards and mechanisms that are in place to stop a fraudulent election certification. not the same thing...

@brazilianman92

3 жыл бұрын

@@powerbite92 Ah yes the swamp everyone is the swamp but Trump. I wish I could live in the Sunday morning cartoon reality of trump Jesus.

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

@@brazilianman92 keep crying...

@brazilianman92

3 жыл бұрын

@@powerbite92 yea its us crying. Mister we lost any chance of power ever again. You mean your side crying over poor Jesus trump. Enjoy your cage.

Great discussion! 2nd time was even better. Thank you!

Hey Dr. Peterson, huge fan. You've helped me get through a lot of philosophical conundrums in my life. I am currently getting 'lit up' on my facebook page right now by far left extremists. I have taken some screen shots if you are interested in reading them. History repeating itself. Also messaged you on instagram.

"Where conversation ceases, war emerges."

@Schyderap

3 жыл бұрын

2021's way of saying "The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters".

@CM-bq9fp

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong, First secession. That may be without war this time.

@adidabax6809

3 жыл бұрын

And, yet, skip ahead to 1:20 and they both advocate for ceasing conversation.

@powerbite92

3 жыл бұрын

@@adidabax6809 They have joined the establishment and sold out. They are reaping rewards for it as we type.

@adidabax6809

3 жыл бұрын

@@powerbite92 The only reward for people like Jordan and Douglas to promote the establishment lies at this point is to be left alone. I think that's unlikely given the topics they've discussed. I just can't believe all of these people who built their followings on people seeking truth think they will go anywhere slamming the people who they trained to seek out truth.

The American Media is the root of the distrust.

@danieldorn2927

3 жыл бұрын

They make more money with a divided nation

@yvonneye3889

3 жыл бұрын

They have become the department of truth.

@georgetek

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. The politicians do that on their own with their blatant hypocrisy. Although the media makes it infinitely worse by covering for one side only and not holding them accountable.

@AugustoXRock

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgetek Ironic that you disagree, and that politicians start the corruption through hypocrisy, but at the same time admits that the media "infinitely" makes it worse. I think you actually believe that the media is the main culprit just judging by your comment. In my country the media has not yet become so corrupted to do what is happening in america, but tragically we're giving our best shot at it :/

@JL-ke2vm

3 жыл бұрын

Do exactly the opposite of what politicians and mainstream medias tells you and you will be alright

Looking forward to both of these men becoming permanent commentators on CNN

🕯️Shalom, thank you for your service.

The comments on this are as interesting as the interview and illustrate the wall between understanding. I'm not sure he understands that the majority of Trump voters did not go to the Capitol, nor did they storm it, nor condone it. The Capitol crowd illustrates what happens when an immense crowd show up without any leaders or shepherds to nip and bite, guard and protect from the negative influences and wolves. If there is anything to forgive, then, forgive being lead astray and used, influenced....human. There is nothing to forgive without a judge and judgement, otherwise there isn't a case and no forgiveness. The judges pre judged before the event, the "game." Imagine a game with set established known rules and the judges-referees intervene before the game to change those set rules which favors one team over the other due to their inherent strengths and weaknesses. Then, when the game is played by the new rules, and the referee-judges suddenly go silent and refuse to hear the cries and petitions, calling them petty and ignorant, unworthy. Ah, the poor idiot masses, they surely must be forgiven for being so ignorant as to believe their case even deserves a hearing, a judgement, be that an agreeable judgement or not. Even to be heard is to be acknowledged. Imagine having leaders who break the laws before the people's eyes as if that is a right of the privileged. They can march through the hallowed halls with illegal impeachment papers to impeach a leader who no longer leads, is gone. Impeachment is to remove a president in office from office, not to remove what is removed. Put horns and furs on these people and how are they different than any other fringe cult movement? Someone must ask these hard questions and wonder what and why being proper and polite while breaking the law is more civil than horns and furs. Why would the leaders keep the focus on the one they have deposed? Are they unable to see anything else and even they are an obsessed cult of followers unable to see anything else now, including their own elderly new leader? My hope is that the people wake up and see they have no leaders and must not follow a political cult, but must instead, be wiser and lead themselves on a personal and immediate community level. No one will save you. All have fallen short, even those who climbed and clawed their way to the top of the heap. The leaders do not walk among us, but stand afar looking down. Find leaders who walk among us, with us as shepherds. Do not be lead astray to tear down, burn, destroy, or accuse. Be judges, not accusers. Be innocent, not ignorant. Do not follow the examples of the figureheads, be better than them while being a mere human. Do not listen to their panic over seeing your face in public spaces, nor their panic over your contagious spirit which they call a virus.

@julieredmond5192

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Rosa.

@drummerboy737

3 жыл бұрын

And what about this one? Everyone follows him.

@BasedHawaiian

3 жыл бұрын

Kermit Frog What did the nationwide rioting over the summer demonstrate?

@adidabax6809

3 жыл бұрын

@@BasedHawaiian That Democrats will burn their own homes to the ground in order to be in control.

@scenopiachannel

3 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? The crowd at the Capitol represents what American conservatives felt, that Pence betrayed us, just like most Republican reps. Anyone condemning the Capitol thing (literally a mostly peaceful protest) is a coward or a gatekeeping Lefty in disguise.

“We’re all crushed and formed by the society to our detriment and our benefit.” -Jordan Peterson. It’s such pure pleasure and delight to listen to every second of this conversation. It’s a depth of understanding and discussion at the root’s level of the society hidden from most people’s view.

@matthewparlato5626

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. These intellectuals are investigating and discussing proper.

@thecemers

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I wrote about this 7 years ago but nobody wanted to believe it.

I listened to this 2 years down the road as well. I think that Jordan and Douglas have evolved over time. However, I do think they have a tendency to be blinded by Trumps personality at the expense of his effectiveness in office. Trump proved that prosperity was still possible (despite C-19) and I would love to see him do it again. More importantly I think he’s the kind of guy that learns from his mistakes. JBP still leans on the anti Hillary narrative at times. It’s as though eight years of Obama’s radical progressive policies never existed. Therefor the only reason to vote for Trump must be to stick it to the democrats. As for today.... Trump isn’t an avatar for disgruntled conservatives nor did he invent inflammatory language. The democrats have been insulting people and contesting elections for decades. Even if they had to invite protesters into the gallery to keep the congress from doing its business from time to time. Still democracy survives. Our form of government was designed to be adversarial. So it’s not enough to just have a Douglas Murray or Jordan Peterson take the moral high ground and point out the stench at the zoo. At some point you’re going to need a Trump like person to shovel out the cages.

When I heard these two talk about the deepening divide between the right and the left, with mutual regard for our shared humanity in danger of disappearing altogether, I thought of the lyrics from Don Henley's song "The Heart of the Matter" whose key word in the chorus is "forgiveness": These times are so uncertain There's a yearning undefined People filled with rage We all need a little tenderness How can love survive in such a graceless age? Ah, the trust and self-assurance that lead to happiness They're the very things we kill, I guess

As per Alan Watts - "The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions. A. A person of good intentions looks to Change The World. B. A person of good Character looks within. (Without going within, won't be change only window dressing appearing to be real change.)

@sallymcgeehan3671

3 жыл бұрын

and some people do both -- look within and also look to change the world for the better -- TRUTH -- for posterity...

@jsmyth024

3 жыл бұрын

@@sallymcgeehan3671 I think OP's point is that You can't have one without the other, not that you can't do both. Furthermore, changing the world happens naturally as a result of changing the self. It's lovely and also terrifying. The world falling apart outside. "Go within."

The courts dismissed almost all of the cases on technical issues, almost all dismissed on standing not hearing the evidence.

@harambeexpress

3 жыл бұрын

I said the same thing at that point. Many of the cases were denied simultaneously on standing and doctrine of latches - which if you address one you would be caught out on the other, basically a catch-22. If the courts had at least heard the cases on their merits then I might agree with them. Furthermore they are taking the view that what is happening with the 2020 election is the equivalent of 2016/Russiagate. It is not equivalent because the propents for that conspiracy theory got all the court hearings they wanted and more. However what we found from the Russiagate saga was that the institutions and the process was used as a political weapon and this exposed the corruption of the institutions we are supposed to trust. It's almost like they are projecting the wishful thinking that they are engaging in themselves. Perhaps they should talk to someone who actually understands the lawsuits and US legal/political history such as Robert Barnes.

@newenglandgal359

3 жыл бұрын

This is an important distinction

Brilliant, Honest & Good Men.

I love it that Jordan will interrupt Douglas and say, “Well let’s talk about THAT for a minute.” Then he talks for five minutes himself, ending with no question other than “What do you think?” Great talk btw. Would’ve liked more of Douglas, but still great.

The cases never even got into court you guys keep talking past that

@jaredmello

3 жыл бұрын

Lyndsay Graham asked the Trump team for evidence to use as ammunition against the left that the election stolen. They gave him one thing, that is all

@salmonfreak

3 жыл бұрын

Why did they not go to court? Perhaps because they didn't even meet the low evidentiary air of reality burden necessary before a full trial claim can commence kind of like a preliminary trial?

@renaissance17

3 жыл бұрын

@@salmonfreak no they were dismissed on standing, even constitutional scholar Allen dershowitz said that. It was a precedent that no state can sue another state for election fraud, period.

@danielferris152

3 жыл бұрын

Or maybe judges are human, and believe they're avoiding chaos instead of denying justice. The framing is a bit off also, and that's partly Trump's fault. The real problem wasn't that the election was known to be stolen, but that the last-minute rule changes ruined any chance of confidence in the election. Even the Democrats were starting to build a case like that, in case they didn't win, only to reverse course after the election. Secondly, only the state legislatures are allowed to make rules for the election, according to the constitution's elector clause. Yet other parties, like judges and election boards, also made rules. The solution here would be to shore up confidence, with rules about observation, rule changes, and especially with after-election mail-in ballot counting.

@lucysnowe31

3 жыл бұрын

The cases were dismissed on technicalities, *not* the merits.

"In contrast to animals, our instincts no longer tell us humans what we must do. And in contrast to people in earlier times, tradition no longer tells us what we should do. Neither knowing what we must do, nor knowing what we should do, we no longer seem to know what we want to do." Viktor Frankl

@DieselPlays

3 жыл бұрын

Wow that's deep

@jamesscott2002

3 жыл бұрын

The fact that I & many others instinctively know, that destroying the traditions of our ancestors is dangerous, makes a mockery of this quote.... I know that we must trust our instincts. We should protect our traditions if we want to thrive.

@ChairmanKam

3 жыл бұрын

That's cute. Other animals are not automatons, and we are not noble spirits. Your ability to make decisions IS instinctual, and a different animal makes decisions just as often.

@jamesscott2002

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChairmanKam O..k.

@guitarguy7596

3 жыл бұрын

Which is why the left attacks/seeks to destroy the four olds...old customs, old culture, old traditions and old habits.

Conversations such as these should be on the BBC. I can dream, can't I?

This podcast has been out for some months and so this might not be relevant at all to bother discussing but I do have a few comments. Unity is always found in the love of the truth. It doesn't matter if you are a Ben Shapiro, a Jordan Peterson a Bret Weinstein, a Bill Maher, a Douglas Murray. If you have a love of what is really true, and a mentality to seek out what is true, you will always be able to find unity with people. One of the prayers in the bible is "Lord, give us the love of the truth, that we might be saved" (s thess 2:10). One person that I know who is like the most radical Trumpian, and still a good man as far as I can tell, was very truthful in what it was about for him. That it didn't matter what was true, or what was right, the only thing that mattered was winning. If your only desire is to shoot out the competition or the opposition, if your only desire is to be right, or to win - you will have a very partisan political view and will be extremely divided against anyone and everyone, and you will persecute anyone who tries to make peace because they will interfere with the game of winning. Conspiracy is a problem because it can pervert justice. You cannot just see a string of circumstantial evidence and decide you know for sure who is guilty of something. If you try to bring about justice that way, the only thing you end up doing is creating a witch hunt. That being said - We know that someone tried to set up former president Donald Trump up as having conspired with the Russians. That was later proven false. Whether you like him or whether you don't - it should concern all of us that someone is trying to take down a President that was elected by the people. We know that a mildly deadly virus was released from China a few months before our elections. A deadly virus we know had Fauci's signature on the grant money. We know that self same man encouraged the American people to lock downs and wearing masks unnecessarily for reasons that we do not know, but we understand that masks were used as a political weapon against Trump for not wearing masks. We know that Rand Paul was attacked by a mob of people that he stated at the time seemed to be hired thugs, who he was convinced had every intention of killing him and his wife, had it not been for the capitol police officer who had saved him. We now know that it is absolutely fact that 800 capitol police officers had their files hacked, and the Russians are being blamed for that hacking. Those same capitol police officers are literally the ones who are protecting our democratically elected leaders. All of these things are facts. Who is behind it? Who the heck knows, we know that all the tainted Media that no one can really trust keeps trying to tell us it is the Russians. But is it China? The Democrats? Aliens from outerspace? Sweden? Pinky and the Brain? We have no idea - but it is obvious to me that something is threatening the Republic of America and that something very bad is afoot. For anyone to assume dogmatically it is anyone in particular without hard proof is parttaking in a witch hunt, and that is a perversion of justice... but something is going on and it doesn't look very good! The Right is smelling that something very bad is afoot. They do not have enough intellectuals who can teach them how to communicate properly the things that are causing their anxt, and their love of conspiracy and pointing the finger at the cost of justice is creating huge problems for them, and the fact that they long since tossed truth out the window and just want to win and bully and push people down.